Manchester United Banter Archive June 28 2013

28 Jun 2013 22:37:34
According to Graham Hunter the reason the deal for Thiago was slowed down is because His Dad/Agent wants United to Include the same deal as is in his Barca contract that he must play a set amount of time during the season or a lower release clause will be activated in his contract

If Thiago is in our plans and will play games don't see why United don't do that just to prove we're not signing him for the future.

That's a dangerous road to go down. What if he hits a patch of poor form? Players have to get real here - he is being offered the chance to move from one of the biggest clubs in the world to another one and presumably has been told he will play a key role. However, like every other player, he will need to deliver to keep his place

Release clause of 70m if he plays enough or 22m if he doesn't hopefully that should warn barca from trying to make a return

28 Jun 2013 22:32:09
how much more is there to read about on this site if your a scouser so liverpool bais this site I go to player profiles 90% liverpool ones I go to youth profiles just all liverpool players I go to player ratings just all about liverpool how about include all the teams in there or take the link off the united and other club page as its pretty usless

Agreed

Me {Ed007's Note - The guys only do profiles by requests so I'd say that it's more LFC fans that are asking about players rather than whining like little bitches and looking where their next complaint can come from. It's quite simple, you could request profiles, do some yourself or if you do't like the sites that much then don't visit them.}

The sites on the whole have a vast preponderance of Liverpool supporters, they also tend to expect better quality players to join their club
As the ed said the vast majority are asked for in the player profiles there is no agenda we can all ask for a profile to be done

Oooooh burned :) well done bond

Aron

End of the day a lot of the ed's are Liverpool fans, they founded the site and invited other users to become ed's. Its hardly a conspiracy.

If people want profiles then go ask for them, its not brain surgery.

28 Jun 2013 19:38:36
The papers are saying that we have cooled on Lewandowski since Moyes took over. SAF was keen but Moyes isn't. Interesting dynamics but I hope David Moyes isn't so keen to make his mark that we miss out on key targets. Lewandowski was probably an unnecessary buy but Strootman, Thiago and a winger are probably essential buys to strengthen the team. Not sure about Baines. , at £12 to £15m probably a decent buy but any more would not make sense.

I imagine Stroots and thiago were almost a done deal and DM was told of any incomings prior to agreeing the position

28 Jun 2013 19:13:50
Sadly it appears from an MUTV interview Meulensteen was offered assistant manager job at Utd but turned it down. If that's so I'm pretty gutted tbh maybe he has a managers job lined up

28 Jun 2013 16:10:39
Right, I hate bull as much as the next person so I wouldn't lie, especially if I have an account. Believe it or not I have a friend who does work at united and he said massive things are happening at united, Ronaldo is a definite no go this season, but interestingly according to my mate he's said united are really pushing for
Gareth Bale and he said he's even seen bales agent at carrington himself,
Take it as you like but I can promise this is a mate who actually does work at united. Cheers

Maybe that story of money + welbeck on loan has some legs? After all to sign berbatov we loaned them Campell so maybe just maybe, when you say cr7 is a no go do you think next season we could see him back here?

Honestly don't want Bale at United for the money being quoted, even if Ronaldo doesn't come. I'd rather spend the £50m+ or whatever on Reus and either push hard for Lewandowski or Jovetic. My personal opinion though i'm sure I am in the minority.

Brendan81

How would he recognise Bale's agent?
Steve

28 Jun 2013 17:16:02
Rooney Nani and some cash for Bale? Would you take it?

I have a friend whos got a sister that's got a boyfriend and his friends mothers sister noes some1 who works at united so I can back him up on this 1

Sharply I'd definatley take that, because they get a winger to replace him and the striker they have been missing for quite some time!

Respect to Gorton red for posting this as a registered user. A club of Utd's size and financial clout should be pushing to sign Bale. I'm fed up of assuming that when it comes to the really expensive transfers only a small number of OTHER clubs are in with a chance.

Shappy, you always pose interesting theoreticals which really make me think. I'd be very happy to see Nani leave however that might happen, but I believe Rooney has a lot still to offer and I'd rather see that from him in a Utd shirt rather than for someone else.

He did have a stinker last season by his standards but he still managed to score 26 goals. I'm hoping he's been stung by the criticism he's received and it will spur him on to get fit and get hungry to prove his doubters wrong.

Of course, I could be wrong and he'll just turn up for pre season a fat, smoking slob.

It's a pivitol time for Rooney and how he responds will tell us what kind of man he is.

Sorry, I digressed slightly. I guess the answer is 'no' Shappy!

Sorry, that's 26 goals and assists last season for Rooney

Id swap Rooney and nani and 20 mill for him he be ace behind rvp swapping as a 3 with Kagawa and thiago

28 Jun 2013 18:03:43
shappy rooney and nani would be enough that's over fifty millions worth of players. If they asked for cash on top their talking the pish

28 Jun 2013 18:14:53
Yes Shappy, I'd take that. Throw in Young as well and I'd be made up
DL10

Shappy - absolutely no way - utter insanity.

Sorry Shappy - that "utter insanity" comment was mine - had forgotten to log in.

People seem to forget how good Rooney is! His range if passing is incredible, not far behind scholes imo. He is often sloppy but nothing a kick up the arse can't cure with a strict training schedule. A team with rooney is vastly better than one without!

Ste.

Rooney & Nani for Bale? Deal. Deal of the century in fact. Get rid of one player who's been a great servant but clearly wants a new challenge it has just fallen out with love for the club. As for Nani? My feelings in him are well known but safe to say I'd carry him anywhere in Europe to get rid. I'd see this as a straight swap Rooney for Bale lol.

28 Jun 2013 15:14:00
What you have to say about Rooney is that we won the League without him this year. Despite him being the best player in the League, the last time he won the Player of the Month award was November 2010. Out of the 53 matches we played in last season, he started 27 with 5 substitute appearances. Players like Hernandez & Welbeck stepped up with their performances while he was absent. Hernandez had an excellent goal scoring record and Welbeck played well despite not scoring. Kagawa also missed half a season and you saw how well he did when he got back to full fitness. The goals and assists kept coming.

I think the stats show that actually, we will not miss Rooney at all.

All I would say to that Fresh is:-
Rooney 2012-2013
Goals:-
Premiership: 12
Champions League: 1
FA Cup: 3
Carling Cup: 0
Total: 16
Assists:-
Premiership: 10
Champions League: 3
FA Cup: 0
League Cup: 0
Total: 13
This has been his worst season, still better than any other United player apart from RVP.
The facts don't lie, and how important were those assists and goals in winning the league.
Get a grip!

Simmo

Agree think supporters should be careful what they are wishing for if rooney leaves he has to be replaced and by who is the question can't see united getting lewy

Fresh

You are so way off the mark that I can't even decide where to start. I agree he has underwhelmed this season, but to say "we won the league without him" is a massively flawed statement. don't know what did you analyze. Even the harshest of critics would dare not say, "we won't miss him at all". You kind of blow Shahram out of the water. Even he would be amazed

Deeps.

Bit harsh, wasn't he the 2nd highest contibutor in terms of goals/assists after RvP?

I wouldn't say 'we won the league without him' far from it. When RvP stopped scoring I was glad we had Rooney who got a few important goals during that period. His goal v Fulham alone was worth something (late winner)

28 Jun 2013 18:11:46
I do think though that Kagawa played centrally and with Thiago just behind him, they could easily both reach double figures in both goals and assists. Would that not replace Rooney? I agree an extra striker would be good. But getting the midfield sorted out and getting more goals from that area would fill the gap. MrE

Rooney still played ok enough that we wouldn't have won the league without him, he has carried Utd for ages.
I do think his course has run but will always be grateful we had him, he still needs to be replaced with a "marquee" signing if he goes in my opinion

I think the statement 'won it without him' is a bit much as everyone contributed who played. I do think that we could easily find a forward who could score 16 goals next season and contribute assists aswell. Also, looking at who he scored against, only his 2 against City in the league and 1 against Chelsea in the cup were against a top 10 side. Not fantastic for a supposed great player in my eyes.

Brendan81

Agreed Brendon but if the person replacing Rooney was nani or ando then I stand by my statement

Pardoe, both need to be sold along with Rooney this summer. Zaha replaces Nani, Thiago can replace Scholes, Strootman will replace Anderson and we will need a forward to replace Rooney, Lewandowski or Jovetic are my first choices.

Brendan81

28 Jun 2013 14:41:14
According to a website both United and Arsenal have made an approach to Lazio over the availability of 26 year old Candreva.

I haven't seen much of him besides the Confed Cup so was wondering if anybody has anymore on this?

MUNCH

28 Jun 2013 15:35:04
Yeah, takes a mustard penalty!

Is he candreva, as well as thiago and strooman or instead off

28 Jun 2013 19:19:42
Hope not, he's done well enough for Italy, but he was quite average for Lazio last season.

28 Jun 2013 13:53:58
United have out in another bid for Baines. Everton really don't want to sell but if the money is right they will. Personally think Digne would be the better purchase but Baines is class nevertheless. Thiago will be a United don't worry, Barcelona trying very hard not to sell but fear they'll have to. Baines and Thiago would be a decent window for United. Thiago will be one of the best players in the world one day, lad has so much talent.

OT Ghost

28 Jun 2013 11:54:46
I hope united do watever it takes to bring in baines. He is the best lb in the league. Not sure why people are against it. Evra has bin great for us. But it's time to improve that area. Baines at 28/29 can have 4 good seasons for us.

Marm

Some on here are obsessed with age, mate. 28 is the new 25 in football. And yes he is an outstanding left back;It is considered a specialized position these days purely because of the lack of top quality players comparatively to other positions. Baines is one of the few, and already knows the league.

BornInToIt

His age shouldn't be a concern as Ronaldo is the same age yet no one complains about that. I know he is of a different class but still. Also the f
Act that he has been in the running for team of the year for the past 3 seasons shows how good he is.
His abillity makes up for his lack of european exp.

Special K

28 Jun 2013 11:44:03
Watching the spain game and just thought I don't think I have seen xavi have a great game all year.
Will barce be brave enough to put faith in thiago over xavi.
Jred

29 Jun 2013 00:46:47
I sincerely hope not Jred. I guess Barca should be ready to give Xavi the benefit of doubt for one sluggish season, I know he is sort of getting on. I think what Mazinho and Thiago think will be important. The assurances were in place last year and the year before. didn't quite walk the talk. United were interested couple of years ago, I am hoping we get him.

Deeps.

28 Jun 2013 11:02:34
If rumours are true about Manchester United having £60m transfer budget I see a summer of
In:
Strootman: £10-12m
Garay: £15-17m
Thiago: £15.4m Release Clause
Baines: £12-15m
= £52. 4 to £59.4m

With the signing of Baines this should mean the end for Evra.
Out:
Scholes: Retired
Evra: £5-10m
Nani: £8.5m
Bebe: £1-2m
Macheda: £1-2.5m
= £15. 5 to £23m

Also Possibly Outs:
Lindegaard: £2-4m or Amos: £0.5m
Fabio: £4-6m
Anderson: £5-10m
Rooney: £25-30m
Darren Fletcher: Retire?

If Rooney is sold there would be a replacement bought number 1 target would be Lewandowski £25m

Ins: Varela, Zaha, Strootman, Garay, Baines, Thiago, Ronaldo.

Out: Evra, Anderson, Nani, Bebe, Macheda, Rooney.

Fresh if you are right, I will be very happy.

Brendan81

Fresh

It would be exciting but I just can't see 7 players arriving in 1 window, and not so many who would expect to play regularly

AJH, i'd say only Baines, Strootman, Thiago and Ronaldo would be expecting very regular starts. Garay will know he will swap and change with Rio next season before taking over from him in 2014/15. Zaha will get some starts but won't be expecting to start all games and Varela will go into the U21's I would think.

It could happen but I don't think it will unfortunately, it would be hugely exciting though I agree.

Brendan81

28 Jun 2013 10:53:11
Man United are in the race to sign Geoffrey Kondogbia.

boisar

I would prefer him to Strootman. I am also not convinced we will go in for Strootman. I want to believe he is an option pending other deals.

Next week will be the WEEK to settle quite a few of these rumors. I think Thiago is done and will be announced.

Shahram

Shahram

I would definitely prefer him to Kevin. But I think we are nailed on to get Strootman. What do you think of Leroy Fer?

Deeps.

Deeps

We are a minority on Strootman on this site :)

Leroy Fer is one or two seasons away from being ready for us. There are a number of guys I prefer over Strootman i. e. illamarendi, Matuidi, Verrati, Cabaye.

I am not a big fan of strootman and his lack of pace is a concern. I know he has other qualities but not as busy as people make him out to be and goes missing for a very long periods of the game and not great at finding openings to receive a pass.

Don't want to start a strootman debate lol I don't think we will sign him anyway.

Shahram

Think so mate. Most of the readers here are convinced he is the answer. I won't mind him coming in because above all it is an improvement to what we have. Out of the ones that you mention if we got Assier Illaramendi or Verrati I will be ecstatic. Well you should not be basing your judgement on one performance but the PSV Ajax game, where Eriksen ripped Kevin a new one has had a negative effect on my judgement. let's see how it goes

Deeps.

Sharham/Deeps,

I've not seen Veratti too often but when I did he seemed more of a Thiago type player (technical CM playmaker). Would that be fair or have I not seen enough of him?

I think you might be right that many of us have jumped on the Strootman bandwagon - probably because we think he's so likely to come. But wouldn't it be either Thiago OR Veratti along with more of a tackler like Strootman?

I used to rate Cabaye but I'd rather Strootman now due to his age and the former's less impressive recent form. Also I'm not sure on the former's defensive capabilities.

Only seen Matuidi once or twice and he did impress but doubt we could get him?

Illamarendi I've barely seen but heard he's highly rated, so can't comment further on that one.

Those names apart I can't think of many available options instead of Stroots. Would love Vidal or Martinez but there's no chance. I think some of us on here (rightly or wrongly) are hoping Stroots becomes the next Vidal/Matinez - though I can appreciate you both probably don't see it that way.

If he does sign, he may just become our next 'marmite' player!

Gav

You are right. Veratti is a deep lying playmaker, a Pirlo type. I think the only reason I would want him here, is he is too good to pass up on if available. We essentially won't need a "midfield destroyer" if Thiago and Veratti pull the strings honestly. Infact they will dictate the tempo so well and keep possesion. Thiago can play a little ahead of Veratti. It is just me, but I have always hated the prospect of having players who would just tackle tackle tackle and negate the creative force from the other team. Lol if it was me I would rather us win 10 - 8. But Gav you should follow Ben Pearson's progress. Silky passer and a tackling bulldozer.

Deeps.

Deeps

I certainly wouldn't want someone who only knows how to tackle but I think we need an all rounder who can tackle as well as pass effectively to compensate for lightweight play-makers like Thiago and Kagawa. Maybe we could get away with it in the CL or against the likes of Swansea but against many teams in the EPL I think we'd need a balance of physical prowess v creativity.

Pearson - I've heard a lot about him this year, apparently he's come on leaps and bounds and overtaken some of the other youngsters? I've only seen bits and pieces but if he can tackle as well as play nice football I'll be looking eagerly towards his progress. As with any of the youngsters he will need to work hard and show desire to make it at United.

Deeps/HB

Varrati is as good or better than strootman getting a tackle in and much better in terms of making himself available to take pressure of a guy like carrick and much pacier.

I just think with someone like verrati you have pace and the link up with a kagawa and rip and a couple of decent wingers would be great.

Shahram

28 Jun 2013 09:12:25
28 Jun 2013 00:54:54
I was just wondering that seeing as we are most likely getting Thiago and are going for Strootman to solve the midfield problems. Then where does Kagawa fit in? I see Strootman and Carrick pairing up with Kagawa behind RVP and Thiago and someone else on the left and right. Am I right? Or if Wazza stays do Kagawa and Thiago play on thr sides and Rooney in the hole/strike?""
dear mr no name
ngiak thinks that IF and it's a big IF, we get thiago and strootman, carrick will be a sub
ngiak rather play strootman deep and thiago and kagawa doing a barca midfield like iniesta and xavi
carrick and gang will be able second line
ngiak suddenly is getting excited
and if evra is replaced.
ngiak thinks we will have no weaknesses
gan

28 Jun 2013 06:53:20
This is not a pro or anti Rooney post. rather I would say my regret over the wasted talent of his. each one of us adored his natural talent and his ability to create magic
Oh I remember all those amazing matches
. he was a brilliant talent messing ronaldo Rooney would have been the top three
I wish he had pushed on like ronaldo
He was once what I identified greatness with.
Admit it or not he was naturally more talented than ronaldo.
Alas the man doesn't know what he wants
. its better he moves away. I hope as a football fan that he regains his fiery passion I loved about him.
Hope he moves abroad
Thanks folks

He was never better than Ronaldo mate but a great talent in his own way.

Shahram

I disagree mate when we bought him he was the most promising insanely talented lad.
Lost his way.
ronaldo pushed on. became the best.
I think. if Rooney had shown the same commitment he would have been in a white Madrid jersey! And we wouldn't be debating
.!

He has never had Ronaldo's feet, control and shooting or dribbling ability so never was in that league. Ronaldo and messi are freaks and no one has been close to them.

Eto was at one time an electric forward too but that does not mean he was in their league and neither was Rooney. Henry for me at his peak was better than Rooney at his peak.

Shahram

Die red, I remember watching a friendly against sporting lisbon I watched ronaldo and thought that is scary what a kid is doing to us, please sign him. Nothing to do with rooney pushing on Ronaldo just had something else

28 Jun 2013 03:21:12
why are most people against us signing the best LB in the league for what more than likely 15 million yeah evra had one of his better season attacking wise but him defending is still a weak point in are team if we could get say 8 million from one of the two french clubs ill be happy to sell evra for that price and Banies hater don't say he too old prime example RVP with baines we will be better team with him.

thiago- this deal should done by now I don't like barca annoying little plans to try and keep him, great talent can't to wait to him play. Cost 15 million

Strootman- the type of player we been wanting of the last couple of years a box to box player but also can play the attacking mid if necessary. Cost 15 million

45 million for those 3 players will definitely improve the squad, I guess we have 60 millions to spend and who ever sells so we will have 15 millions left but with the sales of evra 8 millions I hope gives us 23 million.

But I think nani and Anderson time is up at the club since we want 8 million for nani we will want to sell anderson at the same price that gives us 39 million plus the likes of bebe, kiko for like 1 mil each so around about 40 million.

Rooney- I think we should sell him he peak in his early years I know 16 goals and 16 assists is good for a player mainly playing out of position but I would like us to go get are cristiano ronaldo back from Real 40 million plus rooney which is I say 65 million seem a good offer.

line up 2013/14 I hope
De Gea
Rafa-Rio-Vida-Banies
Carrick-Strootman
Zaha/anto-Kagawa/Thiago-CR/Young
RVP


Manutd4Ever1985

That would be the perfect summer but Ronaldo is very unlikely however the rumours just will not go away.

Shahram

I am not sure why either. Everyone says Evra is good going forward which is also an exaggeration. He runs with his head down and his final ball is very poor. He never looks like he is under control and has poise when going forward. Defensively he is the weak link in the back 4 without doubt.

His best attribute is he is very durable and plays a huge number of games and a United man through and through.

On the other hand Baines is very composed and has a wonderful left foot on him and would give us a new dimension down the left side and hope we get him.

Shahram

28 Jun 2013 01:24:44
Was looking at the everton page and a lot of them want a bid closer to £18/20mil! what a joke we need to copy juventus/porto/benfica and be smart with our money.
Yes the lb posistion is an issue but no where in comparison with the mf problem as we need 2 possibly 3 signings in that position to solve it. If we lost the league last year could you say it was because of not having a good lb, could the reason why we lost the 11/12 season be because of our lb? No.
Baines is not worth £12mil yes he's good but will he ever be as good as the heights evra reached? no plus he's 29 in december! Jordi alba at 23 cost Barce £11mil.
They are better and cheaper options, plus fabio or buttner should be given a chance, I think we shouldn't buy a lb until january see how things r going first

Sulei

Baines has already reached the heights Evra reached in his prime.

Jordi Alba is a good attacker but is a poor defender imo and has been found out quite a few times this season.

How about we strengthen the midfield AND left back? We have the funds to do so.

REDFAITH

I agree entirely with Sulei, yes Bains is a great player but 15m is steep. Especially when we have the likes of fabio and buttner whom in my opinion with a bit of game time could quite easily progress to be quality lbs. I beleive we should extent evras contract by one year and try playing fabio and buttner with evra to fall back on and if I'm made to eat my words then we move for a new lb as hopefully there might be more options in January

19JackC94

Why do any of you care about the amount paid? its not your cash.

28 Jun 2013 00:43:01
As can be guessed, a lot of Everton fans don't want the club to sell Baines to us. Yet a lot then say about them signing Kone. Double Standards?

MEF

Yes! I've seen a lot of them outraged at the price too but I can't recall many fullbacks going for £15m+ let alone any that are pushing 30.
Ben