Manchester United Banter Archive April 02 2014

 

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02 Apr 2014 22:03:44
Real Madrid look really good in the champions league this year. Bale and ronaldo are so dynamic it's frightening. Obviously one team I would like to avoid if we was to get through.
I was expecting big things from PSG and I weren't let down, but they didn't look like a Madrid or Bayern. They look good at times, but when ibrahimovic is not at it they look a little lost, cavani out in the right is a weakness for them he is wasted out there. So if we were to get through and draw PSG for once Evra won't be getting roasted every 5 minutes.

It's the champions league anything can happen.
An ideal semi final at this stage would be
Man united v PSG
Atletico v Madrid
Anything can happen!

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Chelsea are a much more difficult opponent to play compared to Dortmund. PSG is a genuine contender.

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02 Apr 2014 22:02:38
GDU, the name sums your knowledge of the game
On a different note.Sydney gets a abit of slack of liverpool supporters but also some united fans on here. His knowledge of the academy players and younger players however has always been excellent.

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Al, I assume you mean GCU and I assume you are insulting him. It's a banter site and people have different opinions, doesn't mean you know best

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GCU is one of the few who does have a idea what is going on at this club and does win plenty of his bets to so i'm guessing he knows a bit about football little AL

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It is a site about differing opinions. That's what makes the site what it is. People will agree and disagree with people's opinions.

Al, I have a feeling there could be a couple of Wilson's making the back pages of the papers in a couple of year's time. A MU Wilson and a Liverpool Wilson.

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Big Al

Do you have something specific to say or just being a person!

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Sydney gets stick from Liverpool fans for going on their site saying utd will finish 20 pts ahead of Liverpool! in fairness he got the 20 pts bit right

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I got it correct last season when I said we would win the league finishing 30 points ahead of Liverpool.

Credit when it's due, Liverpool have been better this season. Many didn't expect it including Liverpool fans.

But the massive points sway hasn't been helped with the manager change. The MU players have struggled with it.

Enjoy your moment my friend, this is your best chance to win a title. Everyone will improve next season and you will have more fixtures to deal with.

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Chippy, I didn't realise you were a MU fan.

You do realise that these pages are "banter" don't you? That is why they were invented. It's the whole purpose of having a banter page. Some people post team line-ups, some have a drip and moan about their team, some only praise other poster's opinions, some just like to try and discredit certain poster's posts, but the whole point of these pages is to banter with rival fans. Or at least that was it's primary objective. It has evolved over the years, but let's not forget why Ed001 developed this site in the first place.

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First choice back four for over 7-8 years is all leaving

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02 Apr 2014 21:48:29
Wow! Chelsea comfortably beaten but PSG didn't even look that strong to me. They certainly look a worse team than Bayern anyway, and I feel if we were to pull off a miracle and beat Bayern, PSG would be the team I would choose to face over any other team that is likely to get to the semi's.

Strange how DM was brought in because of his PL experience and yet, the competition he's been working magic in is the Champions League. Funny how things work in football sometimes

As a side note, everyone has been posting about Fellaini being poor last night whereas I thought he worked extremely hard and put in the hard yards. He wasn't bought to be a passer and I appreciate the way he sticks to his strengths. He was a useful outlet for goal kicks and was constantly being picked out by DDG which gave us a different dimension imo. When Shinji came on for Giggs, we looked better and I think if trained a little more could make a useful cm but whether he'd be prepared to play there or not is another matter. He'd probably just be happy to get on the pitch!

If any posters happen to also be referee's, can you tell me why bambi's goal was disallowed at the start? Foot was high-ish but what else could the lad do? Didn't make contact or have any effect on Martinez's decision to go for the ball

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02 Apr 2014 22:34:12
Must agree with you on the PSG note there Bennett, IMO if we play our cards right against them we can really stretch them especially in their defense with neither full back being particularly solid
I thought Fellaini was poor last night, I understand the points you made about him sticking to his strengths and giving us a new outlet at times but against Bayern he was massively out of his depth for me as whenever we worked really hard to win the ball back from them he often gave it away and in really obvious passes that Bayern's midfield was easily able to read, it just often felt like it was so much hard work gone to waste. Not to mention he didn't put in his full shift to work back as well as forward at times which often left Carrick and our defense exposed when Bayern were on the counter attack
And I'm a referee myself as well but I really don't know how Welbeck's foot was deemed to be high because it was a genuine attempt for the ball, not to mention the fact that his foot wasnt even that high and it was a genuine attempt for the ball. It looked a goal in person because I got a very good view of it inside OT and on the TV too; it looked a perfectly good goal to me and we were massively unlucky

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Really don't wanna get ahead of ourselves but playing PSG in the next round would certainly be the best option, would have Adnan over bambi on the left against Jallet if we did get there

Agree with you as well mate, not saying Fellaini is good enough for games as big as these in the long run, but atm he's our best option. Who wouldn't rather have a Gundogan, Kroos, Vidal or anyone of that ilk over him. He does need a lot of work in areas like passing and i'm surprised that he hasn't adapted much since his Everton days

Thats what i'd thought, possibly a european decision. Premier League and it would have been legitimate I think. If we go out again, could be two years in a row we've been had by forms of high foot decisions

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02 Apr 2014 21:41:11
Really impressed with Real tonight, PSG impressed too. Can't see Chelsea winning 2-0 and stopping PSG from scoring. I also think with the drama's and injuries Atletico will knock out Barca. As for us, I think we are in with a real chance, I don't see us rolling over and Bayern are missing Thiago, Martinez and Schweinsteiger - three of their best midfielders.

PSG v United and a Madrid derby for the semis I'm going for.

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I think people are jumping into conclusions to quickly. Let's wait for the game and after that we'll see if we can make it or not.

We'll play them at home an even without Thiago, Scheni or Martinez they have great quality.

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02 Apr 2014 21:31:38
Hi Guys
One of the reasons Ronnie and Bale are so effective is because they possess great pace.With that in mind how about a punt for Lucas Moura he is still young enough to mature into a world class player and that pace will frighten most premiere league defenders.

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{Ed002's Note - You are just making stuff up - you cannot expect a sensible answer - and Ronnie Rosanthal was OK but not great.}

02 Apr 2014 21:16:40
Watching Chelsea against PSG and just very difficult game to make ay sense off. No real pattern and for two teams who are loaded with talent some really weird stuff and quite funny to watch.

Lucas Moura just had a sublime piece of skill and play.

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02 Apr 2014 20:37:49
It's the first time that I felt proud and optimistic from last night tactics were spot on the fans fired up the players moyes did it last night that atmosphere was there the players stopped a lot of threats bar a couple solid defence an saf team I was seeing a team that could fight back wellbecks speed was class I hope he develops his finishing but that will come World Cup will big him up for next season run at the oppenant mix it up attack that's the key put them under pressure things will turn around for the good that united spirit was there last night once things gel next season whatever manager we got it's the spirit of Man U that will never die fans players managers we stand for the essiance of true historic English football club you can never put the fire out thick or thin red till we die .

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02 Apr 2014 20:35:22
Guys, on another note, did you see Rooney's reaction when Schweini came up to whine after being sent off? That was quality LOL.

Isco is some player! Real Madrid look like a juggernaut, favourites for me to take the crown this year.

Deeps.

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Deeps

Agree been talking tonight about Rooney smiling after Schweinsteiger was sent off. Shows how much he has learnt. There was intent by Sch so it was right but Rooney ignored him and smiled, a bit of maturity.

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Hey deeps

I am watching the other game. Is real much better and is the scoreline a fair reflection of the game?

I have to say Thiago Silva is a fantastic player and great to watch.

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{Ed007's Note - Real Madrid are all over them GCU, Dortmund have been a bit disappointing tonight but Madrid have really just controlled the whole game. I've fancied them for the CL this year since it started.}

RM have certainly improved under Ancelotti.

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Ed07
Have to agree if Madrid can keep Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema fit they are the ones to watch and felt that for a while. After it went to 3 nil Dortmund had chances and Reus looked good. Real will take some stopping

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GCU, can't say I'm completely struck on Thiago Silva. Haven't seen him play with a better defensive partner so probably covering them a lot (Alex and Luiz). Seems solid most of the time but can be extremely rash and that's a poor trait for a supposedly world class defender

Someone with his personality would be ideal for us right now, vocal and a natural leader but can't think of any who I would say can do any better a job than Silva

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Bennett

His passing is sublime and as good as a top central midfielder. Many rate him as the best defender in the world and whilst he is no vidic in the air, he is so good on the ball I will forgive him for those shortcoming:)

Moura was very good for the short spell he played so was Lavezzi and Motta, Verrati. Matuidi was disappointing and he is usually better than that.They are so loaded.

I am surprised the pundits before the game Trevor francis and especially souness were picking Chelsea to go through the tie. I bet PSG all the way and should have bet more but these guys make you think twice :) Francis reckons chelsea has 50/50 chance to go through, I say 10% with r without abrahamovic.

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Red Man - Agreed man, he has matured over the years. SAFs gotto take credit for that. I don't see any other way he would have escaped contact.

Shahram - Real tore BvB a new one, particularly in the first 20 mins. The scoreline was a fair reflection. They just have too many players who can win games on their own. Some of their counter attacks and nimble footwork are a work of art. How dearly would we want someone like an Isco in our midfield. Dortmund pressed like they do, but these guys were superb at getting out of tight spaces, something we lack in abundance.

I saw a bit of the PSG/Chelsea match, I was disappointed to say the least. As you put it, weird match.

Deeps.

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02 Apr 2014 11:39:09
hey eds,

with the transfer embargo on Barcelona. Will it affect any of the transfer targets of United? Were we looking at any similar targets?

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{Ed002's Note - it will make no difference.}

Now reports coming that Real and AM are also being investigated for the same thing and might get the same treatment. Don't know how true that is and if this thing will be turned over on appeal.

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{Ed002's Note - There are a number of clubs guilty of the same thing - including in England. But perhaps two clubs, Barcelona being one, who have abused the rules more than most. It is not a matter for this page.}

Any updates on Verratti or Kroos eds

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{Ed002's Note - No man. Try the search engine.}

Eds this may seem a stupid question, but does the transfer ban include outgoing transfers?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

According to tv radio and tv it is a complete ban on transfers incomings and outgoings, just saying.

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02 Apr 2014 16:44:55
One thing is for certain.
If that performance was from Chelsea everyone would be saying "what a tactical genius Mourinho is, look at the way his team nullified the opposition" So give credit where it's due. We'll done Moyes.

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Offcourse they would. Remember the farmer/cow story fergie used to talk about:) many here fit the profile. I mean the the cow and not the farmer LOL :)

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Great result, lucky not to ave Toni sent off but we are due some in champs league, 24% possession is poor at home, a bit like watching Everton. What does Fellaini bring to a game

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Bad dust problems in London at the moment.
Must be the time of year for cleaning the Arsenal trophy cabinet again!

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I actually thought Fellaini had his best game for us. Worked hard and quite effective. Our limited game plan clearly suited him, it would be nice to see him looking for a few goals though.
A committed performance from our boys but next week will be more difficult and in truth we need a more clinical cutting edge than was displayed last night. Welbeck works really hard, has great pace but he's not a natural striker.

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Moyes should be given great credit for what we did last night.

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Fellaini was awful he looked completely out of place for me I have to be honest.

No way he should be playing CM - Shocking

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Yep Fellaini was awful. Some of the European papers apparently didn't even give him a score he was that bad. Like I said before if he looks bad on telly you should watch him at the game he is worse.

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Ok guys, you are right. I've watched the recording again and Fellaini was poor. For a big guy he wins very little in the air. I suppose I was looking for something to indicate that £27m had been well spent. I wonder what his value would be now!

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Not knocking moyes tactics at all and I was very happ with the result, but he was always going to get it right against munich. Moyes is used to setting his teams up as an underdog, although its the first time this season its worked.

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02 Apr 2014 08:40:28
hi ed if u have a spare minute how many players do u thing will arrive in the summer and what positions thanks

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{Ed004's Note - 4 a cb, lb, and 2 cm's}

02 Apr 2014 15:12:37
Here's a question for everyone, I know that RvP won't be fit for the next leg against Bayern. However if he was would you play him over Welbeck?

I know he has buckets more talent than Danny, BUT the way Danny ran endlessly last night, stretching the defense and work rate to defend I don't think I would. RvP lacks a lot of pace which is exactly what we need up top to beat this Bayern team.

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I would play rvp

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I would play them both.

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Good post. If Wellbeck can sort out his decision making, touch(hit and miss) and finishing he would be a very good player. His work ethic is unquestionable. However RVP is the man united would want when if comes to taking your chances in front of goal.

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Play both.

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There's no reason why there couldn't be a front three of Valencia, Van Persie & Welbeck with Rooney playing the role of Giggs/Kagawa.

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RVP and send babmi back to finishing school :)

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Perhaps, personally I think Kagawa is our most gifted player when it comes to counter attacking football. That's how he won Bundesliga player of the year twice, probably the deadliest counter attacking team in the world at the time.

What about Rooney out on the right instead of Valencia, Welbeck on the left with Kagawa in behind RvP. Hypothetically speaking of course.

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Shahram, Welbeck has scored nine goals from 30 shots in the EPL.

Rooney has scored 10 from 75 shots.

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Kagawa and Mata are our most gifted passers of the ball when we are going forward. Defensively you trade off when you play them.

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Actually Rooney has 15 goals from 75 shots.

Welbeck has 100% crossing success and 87.7% passing accuracy.

We all know that Welbeck needs to improve on his finishing, but his stats are very good.

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Just shows stats can be misleading.
9 goals from 30 shots isn't bad yet we all know welbecks not a good finisher .
30 shots in 21 games tho, it's not even 2 shots a game .

If you are the kind of team that sits deep, don't have much possession and relies on someone quick upfront as an outlet well welbeck is your man.

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Welbeck has pace, but you need more than that .
We need a goal in Munich will welbeck get us one or make one?
I would be far more confident that rvp would.
Pep made a mistake he marked Danny one on one which gave him the opportunity to win a foot race .

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Sydney

You can quote stats until the cows come home. IMO he lacks any cohort thought process and just odd to watch some of the stuff he does . He is currently useful because he is a big lad that has pace in a team that lacks in that area the most.

At his age they all have pace, remember rooney, cole, RVP and how speedy they were in their younger years. The only difference is they knew how to score and this guys does not.

We can agree to disagree on him, just like I believe guys like cleverly, zaha are grossly overrated but you like to overrate all our younger players and have this inherent belief that they will come good eventually. We have hung on to that romantic notion with guys like anderson and nani but unfortunately for everyone that comes good 20 turn out to be exactly what they were.

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I'd have van Persie, drop Rooney have Kagawa playing in the number 10 role and four man midfield of Carrick, Fletcher, Januzaj and Valencia.
Lot of people saying Moyes got his tactics spot on. I feel his hands were tied up to a point.It was the performance that made the difference.Let's see how he sets up in the return leg.Moyes always seems happy with one goal, sit back and play on the break.Which can work but United are slow and struggle to retain possession.There rarely appears to be a plan B.
We have a bloody good chance of going through but what will Moyes do? Will he stick with Buttner?Who will be back from injury?How much will he change the defence.Will he push Fellaini further up and put Jones in midfield?
United can win the match but need to match positivity with composure.

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Let's not forget Munich are still a much much better team than United.

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Shahram, like I said, we would ALL like to see DW improve his finishing, but he is most certainly not a very poor player like you said. That's a ridiculous observation. Like I said last night, Hernandez isn't a very poor player and Welbeck is a better player than Hernandez.

I am not overrating Welbeck, he isn't good enough to be our first choice striker. Zaha isn't good enough to be our first choice winger and Cleverley isn't good enough to be our first choice midfielder, but they are all at the very least good squad players. Did I overrate Pogba? Januzaj?

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Jred, I agree with that, DW has also been playing out wide at times this season, so it's not a bad goal tally. He's not good enough to be our main striker, but as third choice, he is a decent striker. His versatility also makes him a good squad player.

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Syd

He is a utility player. There are 7 or 8 strikers in PL alone, I would take over him and I am not taking about the big boys. Rodriguez, Lukaku, Benteke, Giroud, Remy, Sturridge.

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It's almost as if Danny needs another loan where he can play every week as a striker to just improve his consistency. We don't have time to play him that often if he isn't scoring, but he has shown he can be composed in front of goal like his first goal this season against Swansea, he's just not consistent with it.

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Oz, he flourished at Sunderland, so a loan could work, but we do need him as Hernandez will leave.

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02 Apr 2014 14:27:27
Obviously delighted with last nights result. I must admit I didn't see us holding them to a draw. Vidic, Buttner and Jones played out of their skin and Jones certainly has the qualities for a future captain!

But two things I would like to address today regarding the praise for Welbeck and Moyes' tactics. First of all, Welbeck simply doesn't deserve it. His decision making, passing and over all play were shocking. The only thing he brings is pace and quite frankly I would take Young or Januzaj's pace over Welbeck's any day simply because what they offer from other aspects of their game (crossing, passing etc). For a striker who is a regular starter for his national team to miss a chance like the one he did is unforgivable, and the replays only make it worse as it's clear he has no instinct in front of goal! Normally his hold up play is relatively ok and he can harass the back four, but I felt last night he didn't even do this!

Secondly I think the way Moyes reacted after we scored was a little worrying. I'll admit he got the tactics spot on up until that, but effectively shutting up shop and inviting bayern to attack was foolish. They're a team who are going to spot gaps and chances and we noticeably sat back and played very deep, further immobilizing our already slow midfield. We should have kept up the pacey tempo IMO, and I think we could have grabbed another.

Next week will be very interesting and I'm excited for it already! Martinez and Schweinsteiger both out, which isn't crucial. but it helps! I think a move to a 3 man midfield could suit us for next week, rely on Valencia and one of Young or Januzaj for some pace.

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02 Apr 2014 15:07:32
I'm not normally the person to defend Moyes but his tactics after scoring were the same as they were before we scored, he played to keep it tight and hit them on the counter, which is what we did all night before and after we scored. Why would he change the tactics that had him winning the game at that point? That would have been foolish, and had it not been for Felllaini swtiching off and not tracking the midfield runner then we would have won the game.

As for Welbeck he did everything he was asked to do last night, sure he missed a good chance. But he also finished really well then had the goal wrongly ruled out.

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Tactic wise I think we were spot on, Bayern were good but we were unlucky not to win imo :)

RD

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Tactics very similar to the Barca home leg when we won 1-0. Spot on. You can tell how frustrated bayern are. Just a shame we didn't get a complete shut out.

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A conference striker buries that chance, every time. As would have I, my 6yr old son and my gran. He did stretch their defence tho

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02 Apr 2014 13:57:09
Great defending last night. And have to agree with the praise for Buttner. Since Evra's off at the end of the season, and is a defensive liability anyway, now would be the time to give him his wings - let him play - see what he's made of. In the league we have nothing to lose so Moyes should start setting out his stall.

I was also critical of Fellaini with respect to his passing, control and vision, but defensively he was immense (except of course being beaten by Schweinsteiger for their goal) and he was always involved. He does seem slow and rarely seems to sprint, but he also seemed to be everywhere, which is why you notice it. I have a feeling his day will come too.

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He'd be great if he had a haircut. Maybe then he'd be able to see around him. I don't even think i'm joking with this.

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It's the brain to feet signals he is having a problem with!

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Yes, and now he's at United rather than Everton, he doesn't have to maintain his hair style to live up to that song the Everton folks used to sing about their wives liking curly hair too. Unlike the boys in blue, based on his performances to date, I do not think any United fans will be offering up their spouses in gratitude. His languid style does not suggest that his appetites are that rapacious anyway.

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02 Apr 2014 13:41:11
I think last night was the perfect demonstration of how a lot of Utd fans just need to calm down and have a little patience.

Moyes got his tactics spot on despite very little European experience and being up against probably the best manager in the world. Was this a fluke? No and it shows that Moyes is a good manager who knows what he is doing but is trying to deal with major changes which are required both in the playing staff and behind the scenes.

Also a young, inexperienced player in Buttner stepped up and showed great fortitude in a real high pressure situation after many have said he's not good enouigh for Utd when really he is just raw and needs development.

My point is that although we live in an 'everything now' culture, its naive to expect this in football and most of you should know better.

Managers need time to settle and adapt, players need time to develop. Just chill out, enjoy the drama of changes we are going through and sooner or later we'll be back to consistantly winning ways.

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I'm delighted with last nights performance and Moyes did get his tactics right but, the issue I have is that he has been using those tactics for most of the season against teams we shouldn't be. Well done for getting them right against Bayern but he has so often gotten them startlingly wrong this season so I won't be putting on my I Love David Moyes hat on just yet.

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I think not just the fans but the players too. I think with what's happened so far a lot of the players think he's out of depth and at the moment, maybe he is. BUT with his tactics last night maybe they'll start to have more faith in him too.

After isn't that what Sir Alex said? It's easier to do well as a manager once you're successful because the players have faith in you and respect you.

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I suggest we calm down a little as we didn't win last night but scraped a score draw which still favours Munich

If you step back we should have expected Moyes to do ok last night. After all we were the major underdog, playing against better opposition, something Moyes has had plenty of experience of. Also we played a defensive game, very defensive in fact, sitting deep, something we have been highly critical of all season. Yes the standard of opposition was high but that is the level we are supposed to be playing at isn't it? Moyes didn't demonstrate tactics beyond what he is really good at and we scraped a draw.
I am relieved we didn't get stuffed but last night didn't elevate Moyes any higher than he was and the time to judge will be if we have to venture forward or dominate a game tactically and we haven't seen that. Calm down!

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Red Man

C'mon sully stop this stuff as the kids are starting not to buy it anymore. You will soon have very little credibility and the editor will have to create a new page for you called Pure Dribble.

Let's be clear the credit first and foremost goes to the players for playing hard and doing whatever we set out to do and then the manager.

I also have said many times these players are more to blame than a new manager when we have played poorly.

The problem with you is that you diminish the significance of last nights result and it is an insult to the players and the manager by you belittling their achievement, because make no mistake this Bayern team is some team.

This is a team that has something like a 50 match unbeaten streak and had we lost, I am sure you would not shut up about the manager must be sacked.

Maybe it is time for you to go mate as I have a feeling this manager is cementing his place at the club and will be here for a while to build his team with his type of players and the fans will rally behind him.

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Shahram good post!
Red Man I understand you don't like moyes
Most of us don't
But you would have your head buried inside mourinho's arse.!. If he had got the result with the same tactics!
Gosh why do you do this each time there is a positive performance? Belittling the players and moyes!

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No ones getting carried away, I'm not suggesting Moyes is a managerial messiah all of a sudden. However, let's recognise there have been some good performances this season and last night was one of them. Even fergies best teams would have considered a 1-1 draw with Bayern to be a good result.

Let's also recognise that Moyes has to grow into the job, has major behind the scenes restructuring to deal with plus a squad that isn't that great and needs a major overhaul.

All that to contend with and after just 9 months people are expecting we will just carry on as before without any of it having any effect. Ridiculous. Any organisation undergoing major restructuring and a change of key personnel is going to suffer set backs. Its inevitable.

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Good post.

Give the manager time. With such a drastic overhaul of personnel combined with an aging squad meant that replicating SAF's success immediately was always going to be almost impossible.

I can understand that some people may not be convinced by Moyes' demeanor or style of play, but he hasn't been able to shape his own team yet and has been under immense pressure in his first season.

People were calling for him to be sacked when United had only played about 10 games!

Give the manager time. United is a powerful football club that's not going anywhere right away. I'm looking forward to the summer.

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Red man
Your starting to sound a bit bitter pal.
That was a good night's work by all involved

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Die Red

Thanks. I actually wanted Guardiola as my first choice manager and after that it did not really matter to be honest. I think Mourinho is very good manager but the wrong manager for United.

I am about fed up with reading all the negative stuff even when we do something that was really positive and good for the club, players and the fans and beyond anyones expectations.

This Bayern team has dismantled the Bundesliga and we saw what they did to barca last year. They have spent another 80 million in the summer and are even better this year.

Everyone seems to like Klop, but why is no one talking about the fact that he has gone from champions of Germany 2 years ago to losing the league by 20 points last year and this year has been a disaster and they will end up something like 30 points behind.

We seem to have gotten into this cycle of negativity and criticism of ourselves but afford the opposition a lot of leeway. As they say Charity starts at home.

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Amusing really, We played the way I actually suggested yesterday, tight and compact plus I added that nil nil was a good result, it was pragmatic. However some are getting a little ahead of themselves and that was my point. It was a compact defensive performance yet some of the same people who were saying we didn't want Mourinho for these very tactics are now saying Moyes is "cementing his place" because of them. It isn't a cycle of negativity but reality is we drew and conceded an away goal in a major defensive performance at home, not away. We fought well and I am pleased but some seem to make out this is Moyes redemption and also some on here seem strangely desperate for it to be.

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As an adult I actually smile at your attempts to get under people's skin, to get dissenters off the site and it seems to be your objective, direct from Florida perhaps but I respect others opinions. I may not agree and I comment on it but that is what the site is about, unless the Eds decide to change.

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Red man, I thought Moyes did well last night and the players deserve credit too. But I share your view that we shouldn't go overboard about this result. Vidic was not going overboard during his after match interview, he knows we've got a mountain to climb. Ashley young on the other hand, spoke as if we beat bayern 4 nil. We have to keep the result in perspective.
As for throwing posters off this site, I think some think that they can mock and pressure others, but really, that sort of behaviour is best kept for kids. Keep posting.

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Redman, I'm not suggesting this is Moye's redemption but I am saying he has done a lot of good stuff this season and that shouldn't be ignored.

On Tuesday he had no choice but to play defensively being as our defense and midfield are so weak. Whatsmore is that limits his choice of attacking players because he needs to field players who will do more defensive work to compensate for the those behind them.

Until Moyes has had chance to bring in players he can trust to play the way he wants, I think we should wait and see and reserve judgement.

I think Moyes fully understands that Utd fans expect free flowing attacking football but he doesn't trust in the players he has to play that way and go toe to toe with the big boys.

He brought Mata in who Mourinho sold because he wasnt defensive enough which suggests he has some attacking intent.

I'm not trying to persuade you that Moyes has what it takes to succeed at Utd because I have no idea whether he will. All I'm saying is be a bit patient, give the guy some support and see what he can do.

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Thanks don't worry I am a manc who grew up in the city used to City and Scouse abuse so a little Juvenile nonsense doesn't bother me

Andrew
Hey we all have our opinions and I understand where you are coming from

My concern is the "Evertonisation" of the club, the back room staff, the team and the outlook. I acknowledge the efforts of all including the manager on Tuesday but I think we may have lowered our aims a little after such a poor season and just wanted to retain a little perspective.

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Fair enough Redman, I share your concerns but I certainly haven't lowered my expectations or ambitions for the club.

I also haven't lost my requirement for exciting dramatic football. Even if we're winning everything but playing like a Sam Allerdyce team I will not be happy.

I think Moyes might be here for a while so let's hope he gets in the players he wants this summer and maybe we will see some of the old swashbuckling Utd on a consistant basis next season.

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The Mata purchase was interesting because neither he nor Fellaini has any pace so let's hope any further new buys have some. Mata is a really good player but needs pace around him and he was sold by Chelsea IMO because he didn't fit a team movement with pace which needed to defend. I have no idea why he bought Fellaini mind you!

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02 Apr 2014 13:19:13
That's the first time this season that I was watching a big game and felt both pride and happiness. We were excellent. Vidic and Jones in particular were brilliant, Fellaini put himself about and Moyes made a good decision, very quickly by bringing Kagawa into the game. Welbeck did really well but had too long to think about the finish, compare his disallowed finish to that one and you will know what I mean. He could be a tremendous player if he had better composure in situations like that. I also thought that Buttner did really well, it was a huge day for him but was such a shame that he went off injured. I would imagine that he will be here next season, he is a good backup and we don't need to be bringing in two on loan. Kagawa is also now starting to turn in some really good performances, I for one hope that he stays but everyday he is linked for a transfer away.

Really looking forward to the second leg next Wednesday. A 2-2 draw or something like that I don't think would be off the cards and it would be enough to carry us through. I don't know about everyone else but I didn't think that Bayern looked like scoring other than mostly long range efforts. We shall see if that changes.

In the away leg we definitely need to start Welbeck again, Kagawa should start and Valencia did well but I would love to see what Januzaj could do at this level - whether he works hard enough though I don't know.

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I think we will get the win Fresh there midfield is looking so thin it could really upset the way they play there two best midfield tacklers are out there best playmaker is out and were starting to play better all be it two late for a top four in the league, the pressure is on them at home with just one away goal if we can score first it will be hard for them with the missing players this is a good time to beat Bayern

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Valencia has to start, especially if Phil plays at right back because he's usually beaten for pace and Valencia did well to help contain Ribery and Alaba, and even Robben when he popped up.

I thought i'd love to see Januzaj too but probably not to start. He'd be great to bring on and run at a tired defense just like he did against Villa!

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I will honestly cry tears of joy if we get through to the semi finals, no matter how we do it. After the season we have had, and the major lows, it would be a huge achievement.

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02 Apr 2014 13:10:15
Ok ok, I was over the moon last night and couldn't be happier today, I was filled with pride and so glad to see the players actually playing for the shirt (except fellaini)

One question though, everyone is congratulating moyes for getting his tactics spot on, and don't get me wrong, he did, BUT Moyes's tactics have always been to defend first then counter, at everton and this season, so surely its luck they worked tonight?

Not gunna bring anyone down as i'm sure we are all excited for next week, just something to mull over.

HarryUTD

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Moyes is much more comfortable facing superior teams, you're absolutely correct. He first instinct is to defend, he's going to have to adapt to being the favorite in many games or he will be gone next year

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I would say his tactics were different in one crucial way - last night, he put a huge focus on pace.

When he's tried to defend and counter this season, we've all been unhappy at how slow the team is in attack, and how the players seem to lack urgency. Last night, it was clear that players like Welbeck and Valencia had been told to run at the Bayern defence as soon as they had the ball, which caused a lot of problems.

I don't believe Moyes is the right man for the job - partly because if he really wanted to counter attack with pace on a regular basis, spending so much on a very slow player like Fellaini (and to a certain extent Mata) wasn't very smart - but it makes you wonder what the result last night would've been if we'd had players like Tevez and Ronaldo back. In that system, those players would've really given Pep a headache.

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I think if you have top players though, it'll almost take care of itself. It's not like decent players go out there being told to defend, defend, defend then all of a sudden lose any kind of instinct or skill going forward.

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02 Apr 2014 12:02:15
Point deduction and/or relegation for Barca would have been nicer but the ban is ok. Not sure it will have much of an impact anyway, unless they can't sign Stergen, and have to play that weird clown Pinto again for two seasons.

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02 Apr 2014 12:47:53
Well that was a much improved performance, if only the players had put that much effort in all season and we'd be 3/4th at least. I think the players who stood out were Vidic, Jones, Buttner, Valencia, Rooney and Welbeck.
I think a special mention has to go to Buttner who admittedly didn't start well but grew into the game, I think its important to remember that that was only his 7th start of the season for us and only his third game since the end of January. If you look a the 10 appearances he has made for us he has 8 wins 1 draw and 1 loss, not bad considering many see him as a weak link and not good enough. I think he falls into that category that several players in our squad fall into, where he probably isn't good enough for the first team but makes an excellent squad player. These players are always undervalued until they put a performance in like last night.

It sets us up perfectly poised for the second leg, I think I prefer the fact that Bayern have an away goal. First off it means we know we have to score in Germany so we can't set up just to defend. And secondly it means Bayern have something to lose so they are left in an awkward place, do they defend and protect a score line that will see them through and risk conceding a goal, or do they attack and try and bury the tie and risk conceding. A 1-1 score line in this leg leaves us with a very clear idea of what we need to do, but it leaves Bayern with a stick or twist decision to make.

Personally I'd set up to come flying out the blocks in Munich and try and get an early goal, first off it means they don't get a chance to settle and gain some rhythm, and secondly if we can get an early goal then we can sit tight and hit them on the counter which we proved last night they don't like. I honestly think we can get a couple of goals in Munich, if so then Bayern need to score 3. Hopefully Evans can get some game time against Newcastle as I think he needs to come in in place of Rio. I would also be tempted to keep Jones at RB as he was so strong last night that Ribery moved over to the same side as Robben as he was getting no joy out of Jones.

Fellaini didn't put in a great performance, in fact if it wasn't for Giggs he probably would have got the accolade of worst performance of the night, but he did do what he was put in there for. He distrupted Bayerns rhythm and prevented them from really getting going through the middle. Sure his passing wasn't great but you need to remember more often than not he was out numbered and he didn't have an easy option to pass to. Which was the exact same problem Carrick had against Barcelona, so I won't slate him for that.

Welbeck showed why he plays in nearly all the big games, his finishing isn't the best but that may improve in time. I liked the fact that he had the confidence to try and chip a keeper of Neuers quality in such a big game. It shows he has the mentality to play at the top. Andy Cole was a great player for us and a key player in us winning the treble, yet if you gave him time on the ball he would more often than not fluff it. If we move to a fast paced quick short passing game with players like Mata and Kagawa then A lot of the time Welbeck won't have time to think he'll just have a quick pass into his feet and he'll shoot.

Valencia had them running scared with his pace on the break, so much so they were desperate to get him sent off, just like Ribery was to get Rafael sent off last time we played them.

I think Bayern winning the league and resting players actually worked against them, their players didn't look the sharpest last night. I wonder whether part of them has switched off, I don't think celebrating the title before the end of the season was a good idea.

Bayern still have everything in their favour, but this season we have tended to play better away than we have at home, Bayern have also tended to play better away than they have at home. Which gives us a glimmer of hope. Also no team has successfully defended the champions league, so maybe fate isn't with Bayern this year. I can't wait for the game next week, so much so that I almost forgot that United will be playing at St James park this Saturday and I'll be working less than 2 miles away and not be able to see them. Gutted doesn't begin to explain how I feel about that. lol

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Bayern don't have everything in there favour Shaps there missing Martinez Shweinsteiger and Thiago which is a massive loss for them the middle is there strongest point save maybe the wings and without there best midfielders there no were near as strong if only we still had RVP fit we would smash them, keeping Big Mario in check will be the hardest thing for us in this match but if we do that I can see us turning them over 2-0

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02 Apr 2014 14:31:39
Don't be fooled by the 1-1 score line, Bayern have an away so atm they are winning the tie. that's certainly in their favour, they will also have the home support to cheer them on and will not have to travel before the game, that too is in their favour, add to the fact that even without Martinez, Schweinsteiger or Thiago they will still have a midfield of Lahm, Kroos and Gotze which is still far superior to anything we can put together. Man for man they will still be the stronger team playing at home effectively already winning the tie due to the away goal.

They still have most things in their favour, so let's not underestimate them. A lion is most dangerous when its wounded.

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02 Apr 2014 11:24:47
Barcelona have been ban from doing transfer activity for the next two windows.

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One can only assume its either to do with the transfer of Halilovic as he is only 17 and the reason for the ban is breachjng the rules in relation to the transfer of minors.

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Something tells me that they could appeal it and whilst it's being appealed, they will be able to buy players. There's always ways around these things.

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That's one strong team out who would look to buy strong center backs.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all Syd. I'd say that they will get a reprieve while they appeal, and then the appeal will be successful. Methinks that it's likely that most of the top Spanish sides have also been doing what Barca were doing, and they'll band together to beat the rap.

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I'm guessing it's to do with the neymar deal that seemed a bit "creative" regarding the allocation of the fee(s).
They will probably appeal and it may be reduced to a year or completely overturned. It does leave a question mark over players like Stegen, halilovic and even Gundogen.

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{Ed007's Note - The ban has nothing to do with the Neymar deal. It is for signing under-18 players from non EU/EEA regions.}

Oh ok ed, I was just having a guess.

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02 Apr 2014 11:17:37
So now barca have been banned from making transfers for 2 windows, hopefully we can push on for the players linked both with them and us (Venetia, mangala, hummels) vidic showed last night how much of a gap he'll leave in terms of leadership alone, also jones last night put in a performance that the shirt deserves, so much heart and determination, I'd have him captain over rooney every day of the week, age is just a number

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Benatia* sorry autocorrect 1-0 me

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But Rooney has been showing that sort of passion and drive for the majority of the season. Plus he's probably our most vocal player and often tracking back to cover the full backs when they're out of position. Rooney will be captain it's a no brainer, wearing the armband will only make him better too.

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Rooney Captain Jones vice for me. Jones is going to be a true leader for the future for sure but Wayne is ready now regardless of what people say about him he is our best player and he can go up a gear or two yet the honour of being the club captain could catapult him to do just that and he is leading by example

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Rooney is definitely a no brainer, but you don't have to be very smart to be a football player and a decent captain.

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I'll always have a problem with rooney it's just the way he treated the club, was my favourite player up til then but it felt like I'd been cheated on lol

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Haha Mike, I like what you did there. Funny but true.

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People may knock Rooney for his perceived lack of intelligence, but there's not many on here earning £300k a week. And I can't knock him for making threats to get a better deal, I did exactly the same at work and got a magnificent £20 a week extra!

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02 Apr 2014 11:04:43
Good performance last night, brought back some pride. I think he should rest players at the weekend and concentrate fully on the 2nd leg, who wants Europa league anyway. On a side note I had a dream last night where Nani burst clear from half way and scored the winner, might have a few pounds on it.

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02 Apr 2014 10:41:06
good result last night, utd have a real chance of going through, just one thing, what the heck were utd thinking off getting rid of anderson the subline brazilian, who at least offered utd an mobile opition in midfield, to bring in the big-slow fellaini, its beyond belief, even the ref runs faster in the utd games lol.

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Sort of agree with you, he is still better than Cleverley.

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He was never fit, ate too many pies and was a total waste of the millions spent on transfer fee and wages. Had talent, undoubtedly, but no professionalism. I remember the video of Evra taking the p*ss out of him for being a fat c***, saying he was like a baby and he had to bring him a burger at 1am every morning while on tour. Well I think he was taking the p*ss anyway.

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Fellaini is slow, can barely decide who to pass to when he gets the ball but defensively he was good, made quite a few interceptions and if he gets his positioning right then other players try to go a different way purely because the size he is haha.

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I agree lfc I really liked Anderson but we tried turning him into a holding midfielder which I fe he isn't. He is so quick at carrying the ball from midfield something we desperately need we ruined him imo.

Fellaini was awful last night and he is never a CM for me he was at his best played up the pitch for everton. He reminds me a bit of niall quinn not technically gifted but a handful. He looks a waste of money but we will just have to wait and see but on the whole moyes was spot on with everything last night so fairplay to him

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02 Apr 2014 09:30:01
Huge relief didn't get thrashed: team played magnificently - thought Vidic and Jones were superb - and we might get another day to remember next week.

But Fellaini must not play. He was the weak link last night, looked completely out of his depth: pedestrian in midfield, lost the ball too much, no evidence of any skill and at fault for Sweinsteiger's goal as didn't track him bCk, just jogged back casually. What a waste of money - image who we could buy with the 27.5m. He more a beach donkey than a pedigree performer.

But what should moyes do with him? Who would want him now he's proved he can't cut it at the top level? Would Eveton want him back? Maybe just take a big loss on him. What a terrible buy.

Get Fletcher in next week instead.

Fingers crossed for next week - just so relieved that we're still in with a chance. Hope team spirit continues into so we can at least make Europa league.

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I don't think Moyes' will get rid of him yet; but he needs to be replaced with someone else in the summer - who can come in and replace him as a first team regular.

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I completely dissagree with that.
I thought that Fellaini worked his ar*e off last night.
Carrick on the other hand sat right in front on Vidic and Ferdinand and barely moved.
I barely remember him making a tackle, I remember one pass of any note and I certainly don't remember him closing players down as they were baring down on our area.
Fellaini isn't my favorite player by any means but people on here should give the guy a bit of credit.
Micheal Carrick has done absolutely nothing of any note all season and has quietly passed under the radar without any critisism.

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Had it not been Moyes himself who bought him for such a high fee, I think we would be able to take a loss on him this summer. But I don't think Moyes is in a position to admit he made a mistake with him - if he did, I doubt the Glazers would be too happy letting him spend more of their money.

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02 Apr 2014 09:16:27
We showed fantastic spirit last night, Pep's frustration on the touchline was testament to the way we managed to shut out most of their attacks.

In terms of tactics, I thought Moyes got it pretty much spot on and he deserves the praise he's getting this morning. My only criticism would be that Giggs shouldn't have played - he can still contribute a huge amount when we have the ball, but off the ball he can't put in the same work as the younger players. Against Olympiacos, we saw plenty of the ball and he was exceptional, but against Bayern we all knew we would spend long periods without it. I would rather have seen Fletch in the middle, who is much better off the ball than Giggsy.

Other than that (and Fellaini, who had a pretty torrid night to be honest), Moyes and the team were brilliant. Should give them great hope for next week!

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I'm gladly eating a couple of slices of humble pie.A lot of belief, commitment and composure shown by United last night.Really good to see.We're still in with bloody good chance of going through.Buttner played a blinder.In fact the defence put in a performance that I thought they were no longer capable of.
Negatives? Rooney gives the ball away too much and his first touch is very poor, so over rated.Fellaini also gave the ball away too much, at times he looks surprised he is playing in a football match.Still, can't complain really(yes I know I just did!)

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02 Apr 2014 08:53:26
Well the relief on here is palpable. Well done to get a draw .notwithstanding the away goal BUT how the hell do Bayern score goals?

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02 Apr 2014 08:17:00
You can talk about possession stats all you like Makes no difference to me we had a game plan and it worked!

Got to mention buttner people saying he is no good! please watch that game and tell me why!
He just needs a long run of games!

Regarding everyone else, we did well thought wellbeck was immense and kagawa when he came on look really good and worked hard!

Really happy with that result maybe we won't go through maybe we will but what is more important to me that the manager ant team looked together and united!

We need to let moyes bring in his own players and then judge him!

He got it right for the Bayern game and maybe he will feel more confident that he can make the best of what he has got at his disposal!

Looking forward to the Newcastle game and getting a good result

Not posted in a while so have fun guys

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Buttner gave the ball away more times than I can remember!

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02 Apr 2014 08:13:36
Just an observation from last night's match: It was interesting to see the Man U fans clapping Tony Kroos as he was substituted and even more interesting to see the reaction of Guadiola who then held Kroos in a hand shake for more than 10 seconds while he spoke into his ear. A conspiracy theory perhaps, but I don't think Kroos's future at Bayern is as certain as they make out.

Well done to all the United fans last night who, in the words of Guadiola, were "awesome".

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02 Apr 2014 06:13:21
Patrice Evra should not play for Manchester United again. Alex Buttner was fantastic last night and a run in the first team would do wonders for him.

For the first time this season our left flank looked almost solid and I wasn't twitching everytime the ball appeared on that side of the pitch.

Well done Mr Buttner.

That is all

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But but but. It will be evra only who will be at lb in the 2nd leg. Whatever we want. And and and. Roben will give him a torrid time.
With goals coming from left side only.
Not being negative but since last 4seasons its happening that way only.

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I have to agree with you both. Robben will be licking his lips at the thought of facing Evra. He's certainly going to be our weakest link next time. Problem is with Buttner injured, Evra will 100% play and would have probably played regardless so it's going to be difficult to watch. At least SAF and then Moyes saw that Ev needed to be replaced, shame it's 3-4 season's too late.

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02 Apr 2014 05:09:55
Robben on the game last night said:

"I didn't like it that people from outside underestimated United. The media were talking about them as though they would be easy to beat. I mean, after all you're playing against United at Old Trafford."

Doesnt matter how bad we have done this season, we are still Manchester United the best club in the world. Transition period was inevitable to come after SAF, so who ever was to replace him would find it incredibly hard.

I think down the line matches last last nights could prove to be a turning point for any manager let alone Moyes. let's not forget we haven't seen any performance since he has been in charge to prove his is the right man for the job. Last nights performance showed the much needed passion and pride missing from a United game. It was against probably the best team in the world right now, however it was a defensive lineup that solely counted on counters.

Pointless to argue a change in managment, however a change in style and players being bought is almost certain.
Lets hope early transfers get the preseason off to a good start.

Redster

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