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14 Feb 2014 14:27:08
I've been reading so many posts here about how to change our formation and you all seem to know a lot about these things. So I would like to know from you guys that what is the difference between 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-1-1 and 4-4-2.

1.) 4-4-2 plays wide with two strikers up top, for example if we played with RVP and Hernandez up top they would be supported by two wide men and two men in the centre of the pitch.
Not much flair or attacking style in this but I is a safe formation as it provides decent attacks and sturdy defense.

4-4-1-1 just like before, two lines of four, with one playing behind the striker in order to link play between the midfield and attack, In my opinion it leaves the front man very isolated and unless he is very capable in holding the ball up and the team are willing to support this formation will be mostly ineffective when attacking.

4-2-3-1 plays two (usually sitting) midfielders who provide defensive cover and provide possession to the attacking four players, The three men behind the striker can play narrow or wide and the middle is usually occupied by a playmaker, (Rooney in our case althought i'd like to see mata or kagawa tried properly in that position).
The wide men in this formation can be altered to play narrower and allow the full backs to push on while they provide extra bodies for the opposition defense to worry about.

My preferred is the last of the three as I have said it enables attacking flair and a good defense providing players do what is necessary of them.

2.) Essentially, they are all 4-4-2 with managers own little spin on it. If we were to change the formation drastically, we'd go 3 at the back and that would really mean a change in personnel which we would never do.

4-2-3-1 supposedly would offer more protection, 6 defence and 4 attack. But you still have a player left, right and just behind the striker and then your 2 CM's. But the 3 have more freedom however they still must keep some shape for when possession is lost.

I find it strange that, more and more teams are opting for 4-2-3-1, but teams still stick with 4 at the back against the 1? Also, 4-2-3-1 is a shift away from out and out wingers, so are full backs essential? Why not 3-5-2 with wing backs?

3.) Ports
Some very good points

4.) Ports

Nice one.

The weirdest formation in world football is 3133, which is Bielsa's brain child. He tried to get Bilbao playing it last year and they were all over the place with it.

I also read somewhere that only one team in the Italian top flight plays 4 at the back at the moment. I am not sure if it is true because it sounds very odd.

I think as they say horses for courses and most of these things are driven by having the players needed to play them successfully or in our case buying the relevant players to shift.

I am surprised when people say they want attacking football and also talk about 4231 as the new way of football. As you correctly said it is a much more defensive set up and compact than our traditional 442 formation.

I personally prefer a 433 as the most attractive and balanced if you have the the right players.

5.) Wasn't 3-1-3-3 very popular with Dutch sides many years back?

6.) I think what your missing GCU is the 2 need to be box to box, creative and can tackle. Take Jones for instance the lad covers every blade of grass, is fast, can pass well, he falls down atm on the creativity. Vidal however is as he says the best CM. 2 very good CM's pushes the defence way up the pitch and is very attacking.

7.) 442 is the standard 2 banks of 4 defensively with 2 up top.
424 is 442 with lazy wingers (on purpose or ny choice)
4411 is just 442 with a forward who likes to float around.
4231 is just the 424 equivalent of 4411 to 442.

Having watched us this season, I think we should play 4232.

8.) Wow I agree Ben let's play with 12 players.

9.) Grund you either don't get my wit or a similar sense of humour. I hope for your sake it's the latter.

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For me if Hernandez leaves and Welbeck keeps up his dismal performances then Powell will be a good replacement for them as a striker. isn't good enough for the deep role and we already have a lot of no. 10s. He has good control, nice technique and great finishing so why not a striker.