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19 Mar 2014 04:46:55
Fear!

This word brings so much to the game we all love.
Fans start to panic, due to be so spoilt with success over the years, we start to embrace the fear factor as soon as our club hits a downturn.
Players who have been also used to winning trophies, start to change their mentality of the game as soon as fear which creates panic kicks in.
During the pre match interview, rooney came out and said that we have to stop suarez, that already shows the thinking behind our players, rather than saying, we must attack, they mentality is defending. This is because of fear.
We all say david moyes is not Manchester United quality, so to speak, brendan rogers was not liverpool quality. With Time, he managed to put his footprint on the club, and they all are benefiting.
Time and fear of what other people think, aswell as quick success will always be on the fans lips. This encourages other club fans to see this and taunt us even further.
This is when our club needs us most ladies and gentlemen.
Some real concerns are to be addressed, but let's not forget, the more fear takes over us, the more vulnerable we are.

Donnie
Proud south african red devil

1.) Very good post Donnie. The only thing that concerns me is did Rooney say that about Suarez due to fear of his quality or due to it being drummed into him by the manager and coaches. We will never know

2.) I have to say I disagree with the idea that Brendan Rodgers was not Liverpool quality. Far from it. He brought a small club out of the Championship and demonstrated a clear modern tactical philosophy based on attacking and entertaining football, and he made Swansea something of a revelation. Many people on this site hailed Laudrup as a great manager, but it was Rodgers who created that team. His players clearly buy into what he's doing. The Liverpool Board should be applauded for their perceptiveness.

Now maybe Moyes, with time, can stamp his footprint on our club, but frankly, given his mediocre achievements at Everton, where he was unable to inspire his players to win even a modest trophy in 10 years, and based upon his demonstrable failures at United thus far, I have serious doubts that the stamp of Moyes's footprint is a desirable outcome.

But yes, I agree, fear has kicked in. It starts at the top with our ostensibly clueless and desperately unconvincing manager. That is what prospective transfers will look at when we go into the market this summer, and I believe that will be far more of a deterrent than no European football. We need a leader - a man with a plan and a reputation, and not just a transfer budget.

3.) Peashooter

You obviously think very highly off him. Every year three managers bring through a championship cub into the premiere league.

Watch him last year including some of his comments and you would think we was completely out of his debt and just a Mourinho groupie and stalker LOL.

Any manager who talks about his formation post matches to try and sell himself as a good tactician is generally looking for approval, the ones that know what they are doing generally don't need to get an approval or like to talk about how they set up tactically.

It is amazing how when you start winning you can look the polished article. Remember todays Donkey tomm hero and vice versa.

05 Jan 2014 18:27:05
No panic buys for moyes. I think he should start panicking now.

1.) I started panicking when he was appointed. Not seen anything thus far that calms the nerves either.

This season a write off obviously but think lack of activity in Jan will be a pointer as to whether the Glazers will back Moyes longer term or not. Back in May it was an entirely different dynamic. The greatest manager in the world was calling the shots in terms of who should replace him. That got Moyes in the hot seat but he'll only stay there based on results. I think we can afford a non Champs League qualifying season once but that's it. I think Moyes has until say end of October to pick up. We are likely to finish 6/7th which means no European football at all if I'm not mistaken. If we are still languishing in a similar position by 31st Oct I think Moyes will go. Giggs and poss SAF take the reins til the new year when a new manager and new transfer window would hopefully be able to put us back on track.

Whilst Moyes has the personal security of a 6 year contract I'd be amazed if there weren't some fairly chunky performance related clauses in there. We need to pick up results now for obvious reasons but what concerns me more is our style of play. It's not exactly the free flowing attacking football we all want to see at OT is it?

I'm concerned at best.

2.) Why end of October? Doesn't seem to make sense. Need sorting long before that as that will be two seasons out of the trophies.
United are built on success, so I think the board should be meeting as we speak.

3.) 05 Jan 2014 20:45:37
Nicholas

We can concentrate on the league. We are Manchester United not Newcastle United with all due respect to the Geordies they are nowhere near the size of our club.
You need to go to the opticians mate we were awful, just because we kept the ball for long periods doesn't men we played well.
We are clueless going forward just like the old Everton side under moyes.
Look what happens when the shackles are removed look at Everton now virtually same group of players but a forward thinking manager who gives his teams freedom,
I think dithering Dave and big Sam are twins separated at birth.lol

02 Dec 2013 12:24:41
I guess we all knw that the premier leauge is not a short race but a marathon. let's not forget, teams like chelsea, man city who didn't get results from their managers after a season or two sacked them because of the modern day and age. Are we going to do the same or do what we did when saf joined us, and that is, give him some time, maybe two seasons. Saf won a major trophie after three years, steve bruce actually saved his job after scoring the winner in the fa cup. I don't think we will win the leaugue, but I think we be much better footed for next season. As long as liverpool doesn't catch up, and we qualify for champions leaugue, I will be happy. 20 leaugue trophies, that's a big number for any club.

1.) I'm sick of the, 'Fergie didn't win anything for a few years' rubbish on this site. It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the start of SAF's tenure to our current situation. SAF came to a club that hadn't won a title for years, had deep rooted off field problems, and were capable of a decent cup run at best. He needed time to lay the foundations for a team that has dominated the EPL for the last twenty years.

Moyes has come into a club that has consistently won trophies. Yes, the owners have allowed the squad to fester, but, nevertheless, the squad should be challenging for trophies. Moyes is not faced with any of the major problems that SAF was faced with. He is faced with one problem, getting the owners to invest in quality players. Now because Moyes claims that the owners have offered him all the necessary funds, the burden of responsibility falls on Moyes.

Moyes will, unfortunately, be given time. But he has performed poorly so far: tactically, in the media and in the transfer market. I repeat, Moyes has done nothing to earn the right to manage a top side, the only reason he has the job is because his mate gave it to him. Does anyone honestly think that any other top side in the world would even have considered him? We are stuck with Moyes but people need to stop defending him and the mediocracy he has brought with him this season.

2.) I am in complete agreement with Danny here. We cannot compare SAF and Moyes in their initial years because SAF had to build the team whereas Moyes has inherited a team of champions.

Also losing games due to lack of quality players is acceptable but losing games due to outdated tactics and senseless substitutions is not.

3.) We have to be a maximum of 5 points away from the top at the turn of the year and we have to be playing some very good football. January signings will have an impact too. If Arsenal get another striker and if other rivals get players and we don't then its a battle for the CL places.

4.) Absolute crap Danny.If u knw your football, the leaugue back then was not as demanding now. U never heard of managers getting sacked like it was going out of fashion. As for star players, saf was given carte blanche to buy players. Also, with the league and players changing all the time, no two seasons are the same. Before u blow your top off, do your research on the club first. let's not forget, when saf served his early term, Manchester United was the only rich club of the premier league before abromovic took over chelsea in 2004. Paying top money for ferdinand, jamp stamp, van nistleroy, cantana, dwight yorke, I can go on and on,

5.) So this is your argument:

Moyes should not be criticised because the league is harder now.
Fergie got money to buy whoever he wanted.
No two seasons are the same.
SAF had an easier time because we were the only rich club until 2004.


The first claim is a bit ridiculous. First, because there was less of a gap between the first division clubs, the league was actually more competitive, and second, it's pretty dim to talk about it being more difficult to win the league now and then claiming that no two seasons are the same. I'll leave you to think about that one for a while.

The claim about SAF's transfer market carte Blanche is just silly. I'm not sure that anyone aside from you actually believes it.

No two seasons are the same. So what I never claimed otherwise. But Manchester United have not finished outside the top 3 in over twenty years and this our worst start to an EPL season. What are the differences between this season and last: Moyes, his back room staff, and the player he signed.

Finally, the only one of those players we signed before we won a league title was Cantona, and he was signed for a relatively cheap fee because Leeds wanted to get rid of him. When SAF took over we were not flush with cash. The reason that we began to attract top players was because SAF made us successful on the pitch. It was only after years of success that we became the richest club in the league. And you're talking to me about the club's history?

Look at it this way. Moyes left Everton after over a decade in charge. A new manager came in and the club is currently in 5th position, one place above where they finished last season. They have slightly improved and the transition is looking to be successful. We are in 8th, 7 places lower than we finished last year. We are playing and are struggling to impose ourselves in most games. The common denominator is Moyes.

6.) We didn't buy players of that calibre when saf took over, liverpool were the top dogs and we were average.none of them players mentioned were bought until 12-15 years at least after fergie took over.ive been going since the early 70.s and throughout that time and the 80, s we were crap at times with a cup run the best we could hope for.agree with danny, moyes is a proven premiership manager he should of known our squad inside out before he walked through the doors instead he dithered on fergies transfer targets and let them go else where and then wasted 27.5million at the last minute.im sure the beverley hillbillys will be over the moon to see there 2nd biggest purchase unable to get on the pitch and you wonder will they trust moyes with a large sum of transfer money after the fellaini fiasco.

7.) Donnie2303

In 86 when SAF arrived we were a mess, it wasn't just a poor team but a poor club without the structure in place to be successful. Liverpool dominated and we were where they have been for a few years. It took years to get right spending money in the process. Moyes inherited the Champions and a club with a fantastic structure and a great winning mentality. It needed some tweaks but instead Moyes ripped out the back room staff and is still doing it with the scouting network in line at the moment. The difference in the starting points are so far apart but the difference was that SAF knew how to win, what winners needed to have and how to get there. From a position of strength Moyes has ruffled a few feathers and moved the successful staff on. We are where we are but it could and should have been far smoother so far but that is down to the decisions the manager has made. One thing is sure Moyes had a considerably easier start than SAF and anyone who thinks different was not around in 86

8.) Red man SAF did arrive and make his own big changes he got rid of top players like Mcgrath and he did have a lot of money to spend on players and did spend big Pallister Keane were not cheap, we already had Byran robson and other top players so he did have world class players at the club before SAF came, Moyes has taken the hardest job there has ever been in football, replacing a living legend who was at the club for so long with so much success it would be hard for anyone, SAF thought Moyes was the right man and I think we should trust the master and judge Moyes at the end of the season

9.) Sorry guys, I'm in agreement with Danny not Donnie.
I have watched united since the 60s and when saf took over, we had a couple of very good players, but the club was a joke. Problems on the pitch and even bigger problems off the pitch.
Saf sacked players almost immediately and in some cases against our wishes, but never the less he did it.
He also had incredible success in Aberdeen on very limited funds.
Moyes has had no success at all, he's had 11 years at Everton and before that at Preston. Does that qualify him to be United manager? Think about it for ten seconds and you'll realise the total ludicrousness of the situation.
I agree with Danny, he has been very poor in his tactics, and team selections. He's also not handled the press very well and instead being bullied by some of them, he's been non committal in this responses, when a strong, firm and clear reply was required.
Like it or not, moyes is totally out of his depth. Unfortunately, his backroom staff have very little experience in successful management. Giggs and Neville have been great players, but that does not make them great coaches and managers.
A club of United's stature should not have to put up with mediocre personnel, they should be thriving to be the best, competing with bayern, Barca, Real, PSG, city, chelsea and the rest. Can we honestly say that we are in any way a match for bayern, barca Real? Even the most ardent fan has got to admit the seriousness of the demise of our club and the playing staff.
Is moyes to blame for everything? Of course not, glazers will have to take the brunt of that one, but they decided in their infinite wisdom, that a manager who has won nothing all his life, with no European experience should replace the most successful manager the world has seen. That is the crux of the problem.

10.) Katef

SAF had a poor team in 86 and a club that didn't know how to win. He spent money and indeed he did buy Keane but not until after the first league title win in 93. There is a massive difference to what Moyes has inherited. There is one point that seems to be missed and that is a new manager should have seen a bounce, the team should have been trying extra hard for Moyes yet he seems to have only been getting 90% out of the players.
Moyes was a major risk and for me the jury is still out

11.) Lets see if Everton can finish where they are now before you start spouting off, don't forget everton finished 4th and qualified for the champions league under moyes let's just the team after the next 6 games when we reach the half way mark

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I think it will be great for the team as the more game time for them, the more chemistry they build and get to know each others mentality on the field

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Completely agree with Steven

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What makes this site great is freedom of speech. Yes we are all entitled to our opinions, but what I can't understand is that, when your team is down, that is the time u need to support them the most. Look at our rivals Liverpool,, their fans get behind them even though they have not won a premier league title to date. The amount of pressure today on managers is far more superior ten even 20 years ago. How many managers have saf seen off during his time of reign?? Do all of us actually think that David moyes doesn't know our weakness and strengths? Ultimately, the owners have the final say as to who comes and who goes. Right now, teams like chelsea, man City, spurs even Liverpool have more freedom to spend than oir beloved man utd. What they don't have, that we have is "Passion and Heart". That is what made us the most successful team in Great Britain. Just some food for thought guys. All what I said, is what u all know, I am just reminding yourl. We maybe will lose the battle, but we will win the war.

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Absolute crap Danny.If u knw your football, the leaugue back then was not as demanding now. U never heard of managers getting sacked like it was going out of fashion. As for star players, saf was given carte blanche to buy players. Also, with the league and players changing all the time, no two seasons are the same. Before u blow your top off, do your research on the club first. let's not forget, when saf served his early term, Manchester United was the only rich club of the premier league before abromovic took over chelsea in 2004. Paying top money for ferdinand, jamp stamp, van nistleroy, cantana, dwight yorke, I can go on and on,