08 Aug 2023 01:32:19
It is sad to see how much our fanbase underrate our players. We complain about selling our players for peanuts and when the club tries to end that and start working to get good price, we complain. Maguire and Mctominay, personally are worth at least 90m especially with the way transfers are going.

Maguire is England's first choice CB and is a very good defender. Mctominay is a home grown player with strong physique and has knack for goals from midfield. I agree to the fact that they aren't top club material but are more than good for any team that is striving for champions league place. They would change the dynamics of team such as Tottenham or Villa. If they were not our players, we would be possibly seeing our club bidding combined 140m to sign both of them with many posters in here praising them.

I believe they will be great addition to West ham and will make them a lot stronger. They are not good enough for teams chasing titles but are certainly more than good enough for teams chasing top 4.

1.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 05:24:37
Shrestha

The problem with your first point is that these two players aren't good - they're just not, and the club have dithered about with selling players when their values are higher. The other issue that makes it worse regarding Maguire is the short-sightedness of spending £80m on him, giving him stupid money, helping his head fit up his derriere by making him captain, then allowing the financial outlay to dictate his position at United.
Enough is enough. We shoot ourselves in the foot so many times that we can no longer have any toes.

The silly money being spent in the market ATM is being spent on players with upward trajectory - this applies to neither player.
£30m for Maguire and no more than £45m for McTominay is fair.

Maguire is OK in a 3, but that does not mean he's anything special. England's first-choice CB is actually Stones.
McTominay, despite the physical attributes, is no better than Fred.
Since he's homegrown, United have less reason to try forcing the haggle.

You're right, United probably would be sniffing around with £140m ready for them, but that is of little consequence.

Neither would walk into a top-4 chasing team. Not Spurs, not Villa, not Brighton, not Liverpool, not Chelsea, not Arsenal, not Newcastle, not City, not United.

United are at risk of messing it up again.

2.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 06:17:47
I disagree with you Ork.

Maguire was a really good defender back at Leicester although i would have never paid 80m for him. City and us were both interested but we were the one to sign him. I still believe Maguire would have been a success at City, which is already an established side. But my point is, us being in transition phase didn't help him and he does not suit our play with our defenders always having to look over their shoulders. Hence, he struggled.

I still value him at 45m with still at least 3 to 5 years in him to offer. In a team with less pressure, i think he will offer significantly more due to which i think he will be a major success at West ham. He was never made for top club but is more than better for a club aiming champions league places. Cucurella went for 60m, Fofana for 75m, and so many other defenders went for way too much. 45million for Maguire is no brainer for Westham as they will get an established defender with years to offer.

You need to tell Southgate who is the first choice as he always seems to choose Maguire despite his club form.

Mctominay is criminally underrated. I agree he is not good enough for a club as ours but is a solid midfielder for any other club fighting for top 4. He has a solid engine, is physical, scores goals, doesn't get bullied and is a work horse. Further, he has good ball retaining ability as well. He is one of the most important player for his country's team and i believe sometime gets underappreciated because of his name. If he was not our player and was a brazilian, spanish or french player then would have been highly appreciated.

Anyway, with players like Gallagher getting offered 40m, Mctominay is better and should reward 45m.

Altogether, i believe both should fetch 45m each giving us total 90m. If united keep their feets on the ground then they can easily get 80m if not 90m for both of them.

West ham are desperate to buy them then we are in need to sell them and i believe it gives us an advantage.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree, he was not a really good defender at all when at Leicester. He was a very average defender, which is what he has been at United too. He is simply not very good, wasn't very good and will never be very good. As for Southgate, he was a miserable failure in club management so I would not be suggesting him as a good back up to your thinking.}

3.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 06:43:54
£90 mill for the pair, no chance.

Maguire came from a side who sat deep and countered, with very little ground to cover. He’s been exposed at a club who want to play a higher line. He was at fault once AGAIN for the last goal we conceded, in the 1-1 draw with Bilbao.

As I’ve said before, it’s not Maguire’s fault that our previous “manager” was so desperate to sign him, nor that our advisors failed to recognise that he would not suit our system.

He’ll be just fine at a club like West Ham. I’ve no idea if he actually is holding out for a CL club, but if he is, he’s just as deluded as the people who broke the bank to sign him.

4.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 06:57:27
Shrestha

Fair enough mate, football is subjective so your opinion is just as valid anyone else's.

I personally think you couldn't be more wrong about Maguire.
City were interested because they like to set up with 3 at the back - no other reason and there's no way whatsoever that they'd have paid anywhere near £80m for him.

As for 3 to 5 years near the top - no chance, he's already slow and frequently looks as lost as Rees-Mogg in a corner shop.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's the worst signing ever, but he's certainly up there.

5.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 08:27:06
If West Ham have offered £60m for both McTominay and Maguire then we should say thank you and move on. Can we squeeze a bit more out of them, potentially. Would we be better getting the deal done quickly and allowing it to be a win win for both clubs, yes.
The reality is that this is probably there market value however you want to cut it. Maguire still has approximately £30m on the FFP books so that may make the club want to get a better deal but McTominy will be pure profit.
I think both would be successful at West Ham so long as they play the right way and McTominay is allowed to be a number 8. With West Ham also getting Alvarez I think this will allow for it.

6.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 08:29:37
think maguire would do ok at west ham but earlier point about champions league could really see him at newcastle in between tripper and botman as schar is 32 in a few months and form is dipping. Mctom imo is the more salable asset as age, wages and versatility come into it. I think he could be looked at by a few clubs tbh.

7.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 08:32:51
I agree that our fans under-rate them both, but 90m? Not a chance.

Maguire is limited, buying the right setup he's a good defender. Not great by any stretch, but he could be very effective in the right team.

McTominey is more underrated. He's not at the level we need, but he's been used primarily as a holding midfielder for years, and that's simply not his position. He's as good or better than Fred in nearly every way. The only area Fred beats him is distance covered, but that's not a positive in this case, because Fred runs around like a headless chicken, regularly leaving him out of position.

IMO, if the club can get £60-65m for the pair they should take it. £70m would be doing well.

£90m would be a masterpiece of negotiation and whoever pulled that off should just retire, because they've peaked and will never pull off such a one sided deal again.

8.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 09:28:58
If United “keep their feet on the ground” they will end up with two wages being paid for bit part players at best and make nothing at all next year. Maguire is cooked and sadly believes his own press rather than his results. Too slow, never a captain and very limited adaptability. He is wanting a CL team. Why? He ain’t going to play! Here is my tip……he will fade into obscurity in a very short time. But I am admittedly very biased. Never liked him as a United player and I use the term player loosely:)

McTominay I feel a little sorry for. He is just out of his depth under the inevitable pressure.

9.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 11:38:42
Fine, let them go for 50/ 60 million combined. But don't be coming on here crying the next time and moaning about why we always get our pants pulled down when selling players.

If City can sell a player who hasn't even made a EPL appearance or got a full international cap, for 20 million, then McTominey alone should be around the 40 million mark at least.

I appreciate it's a fine balancing act when it comes to selling players, but we need to start getting the message out there, that we're no longer a club that sells it's good players for peanuts.

It seems some fans are happy enough to forego this when it's players they don't like anyway. We're in such a rush to get bodies out the door, that we'll take anything it appears.

10.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 12:20:43
Respect your opinion but £90m is a huge stretch. £70-75m is the very most I can see is getting. It’s a risky game and it could blow back on us if both end up staying. It’s not just the fees but the saved wages which will help us massively as we try to get our house in order.

11.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 15:53:55
Noucamp99, you're right that we can't keep letting so many players leave for so much less than they are worth. However, holding out for fair value is a luxury we can't afford at the moment.

This is the situation we've been left in by bad management and a policy of viewing players as assets rather than players. We've got too many players on big contracts who we need to move on.

Other teams know this, and that our spending so far, combined with ffp leaves us really needing to move players on. It's not leaving us in the best bargaining position.

That doesn't mean we should just accept whatever offers we get, but we may need to accept less than we like, and IMO, £60m or more for the pair is pretty reasonable, and we'll struggle to get much over that.

Hopefully once we get the current deadwood moved on, we won't be in this position in future, and we'll be able to afford to stand firm for better deals on sales.

12.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 17:01:28
Noucamp99

Unfortunately, we had our pants pulled down when we spent £80m on Maguire and agreed that stupid contract.

Since then, we've been shuffling around in the maze of utter mismanagement with our skiddies round our ankles.

We're in no position whatsoever to think we have power as a selling club when we've already set our stall in a bog. The only way to drag that metaphor away from a messy end is to remove the unnecessary weight.

The trend of making stupid decisions regarding incomings might well be ending, but we still have a proper mess that needs clearing up - we cannot afford to keep making excuses.

£30m for a 30yo Maguire who can only look comfortable in a 3, on the back of arguably his worst season, is surely the absolute maximum we can get. Of course I'd rather we got the £80m back, but something has to give.

Once all the deadwood has gone, then, and only then, will United actually be in the position to dictate their position in the market - until that point we're still prancing around with our bumcrumbs rattling in the wind.

13.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 17:15:25
Personal view, I won't take 60m for the pair. I would take at least 65m though. However if they offered 30m for Harry and 35 for scott, I'd want 40 for scott; that's how messed up my mind is at the moment. Same way I'd take 25m for harry and 40m for Scott. I think 40 for scott is fair price and anything above 25 for harry is bonus.

14.) 08 Aug 2023
08 Aug 2023 20:47:14
Totally understand, lads. Just sick of years of underselling our assets, and feel it's time to make a stand.