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23 Aug 2013 15:21:46
Waiting for all the 'told you so' posts after moyes' press conference but I still believe we will sign players.
After a public chase for fabregas which looks to have failed and perhaps made us look a bit silly maybe there's a change in approach to avoid it happening again.
Ed woodward has made a complete t**t of himself with his 'urgent business' and 'no limted funds' comment so surely he would want to save any more ridicule and actually sign players we obviously need.
That said I would be extremely annoyed if no midfielders are bought as that's an obvious problem and i'd have to question the what the hell is going on.
I agree we should only be looking at the very best players but the fact is our midfield is so far behind europes top teams in terms of quality and depth that there's so many available players better than what we have now.
Or playing the game with everton regarsing fellaini and baines?
Probably.
Thoughts welcome

1.) I'd have to agree with you last comment, Barnes and Fellaini are better than what you have, however as a blue I have to wonder if its Moyes style of management that puts players off?

2.) The way things are progressing ed woodward is becoming a damien comoli type figure by the day, obviously not by making crap signings but by showing how completely inept he is in the transfer market and in his dealings with other clubs. Even DM has admitted midfield needs strengthening so time to open the safe and pay for what we need. Imagine going in to a car dealership and offering 10k for a car with a 15k market value. It's that simple pay the going rate now can somebody please tell Ed Woodward this

3.) "Yes I do [believe there is value in the market] but we've only targeted certain players.
"We don't have a big, big list because there are only certain quality players we want to bring in to the club. The plan is we'll bring in one or two if we can."

- David Moyes

I at least find some reassurance from this quote. This is what I believe has happened, we have specific targets and won't move away from them for the next 'in thing' that happens to become available like WillIAn.

Whether that's the right decision or not we shall see but I've thought for a while that we are after Baines, Fellaini plus one top quality creative mid. I do worry that we're leaving it too late either to try and get a lower price (Baines/Fellaini) or perhaps because we've chosen an almost unattainable target (Fabregas) so we need to see how things develop e.g. his playing time.

Let's hope we get at least 2 of our targets in though, there is still time. I do wonder whether we have many backup options or if we'll just go with what we've got if our 1st or 2nd choice doesn't come off.

Big week in the short term future of United! Let's hope Woody pulls something decent out of the bag.

4.) I believe it's all hinging on the Bale transfer. I think it's a case that Moyes and Woodward have put all their eggs in one basket, believing that if Bale goes to Madrid players will become available.

We have a very weak set up regarding attracting players to the team. Fact is, the name just isn't enough anymore. It's about so much more. Spurs have done well in the market because I think players are excited by working alongside a young manager and with a team who are clearly on the up. Liverpool are attractive because young players see a good opportunity to break into the EPL and know they will get game time, Chelsea are attractive because of Murinho and the type of free flowing, attacking football they play. United and Arsenal have been least successful in the market for a few reasons. the unwillingness to spend, the belief the name alone will get players, relatively unexciting football (lets be honest, we have flashes but that's it) and two people unproven at the helm - Moyes and Woodward.

I saw a post a few days back saying Woodward is great at the commercial side of things but not the buying of players, and I agree. The offer for Baines and Fellaini proved this, whoever it was that posted about Woodward said it right. commercially you can start low and work up, but in football there is a certain amount of respect involved. I also think a lot of young players and definitely the experienced ones will be thinking, 26 years of SAF and now a relatively unproven manager. do I really want to be part of that just in case it goes t**s up?

This season more than ever, the Rios, Evras, Carricks, RVPs, Giggs and Vidics will be vital. I do think we may see one signing. but not a huge one. My money is on Cabaye.

5.) Sligo Red

woodward got his job based on his success in marketing and his lack of experience in football is obvious.
Also with no disrespect to everton who IMO are a great club, moyes has no experience of dealing with the level of scrutiny and expectation he now has which is why I think we maybe made a mistake bringing both in at the same time simply because its new to both of them and theyd need time to adapt and tbh I think we've witnessed that lack of experience this summer.

avitURS

Id like to think the lure of playing for manchester united would be enough for many.Im happy to give moyes time just like we gave SAF but the longer it goes without making a quality signing the more questions will be asked about his pulling power by some supporters

6.) Sligo, ALL clubs and chief Ex's start with a lower bid and work their way up. It's how negotiations work.

Sydney!

7.) 23 Aug 2013 16:44:08
Andy!

I agree which is why I believe the first thing moyes should have done is spent big on a big name at the start.
People may say its about building a team and I agree with that but a big name signing wouldv shown everyone we can attract the big boys without SAF because tbh is a top quality player going to be excited at the prospect of playing with carrick, cleverly, young etc? No. And the longer it goes the more questions will be asked.

8.) HB

I think we will bring in 2 but if 1 is fellaini i'd ask why we didn't pay his release clause weeks ago if he was always a target.

Syd

We all know how negotiations work but do you not think we've wasted too much time between bids? If we have genuine targets why are we not getting them tied up quicker? IMO it boils down to woodwards experience.
If you deal in a commercial/marketing role you have more time to negotiate the best possible deal than in football where as we know if you mess about you lose out

9.) BFA, I think the Cesc bids were very close together. That's why I was shocked there wasn't a third offer. £30m plus add-ons for me wasn't our limit. I think there was/is one more bid to come. If that was our last bid then I think something happened to prevent us going in for the third and final offer. Delaney believes that Cesc's reps pulled the plug, so perhaps Cesc realised he wasn't going to be allowed to leave or perhaps he wanted to give it one more year I do not know? But I think a third bid was imminent.

Sydney!

10.) Syd
I am well aware of the process of coming in low and then raising the bid as one goes along. The problem however is Woodward seems to be constantly lowballing. The initial bid for Fabregas was so far off as to be laughable, if our midfield wasn't so badly in need of quality it might be an okay strategy. Yes in the past we missed out on a few players for the want of a few million but when our challengers are all visibly strengthening it makes no economic sense to penny pinch. I would not suggest we overpay like Madrid seem to be doing for Bale. Kondogbia would cost about 20m and is young and would be good cover for Carrick and looks like he will be world class in a few years. Shaw at LB seems a better fit than Baines long term and would cost about the same. If they really want Cesc go back with a 40m bid and see how that goes with the Barca board. Not wanting to seem panicky but there is a real danger of slipping unless some investment is made in the team. The midfield has been wanting obviously since being twice destroyed by Barca, the question is do the Glazers have the ambition and if so let them back their ideas with money

11.) I don't think we would stop at £30m either so why is a higher bid not been submitted in the last 2 weeks? I think about the £12m offer for baines at the beginning of july and wonder if he was a genuine target why wait a month then make an offer for him and fellaini which values him at the same price as the £12m bid that was rejected? I understand were trying to play hardball but as much as that works in commerce/marketing it doesn't always work in football and that's my point mate, other clubs seem to be able to get deals done in a few days and we appear to have dragged our feet for 6wks.I do think we've got things lined up but I think we couldv moved quicker on baines and fellaini if theyv always been targets instead of risking missing out for the sake of £3-4m

19 Aug 2013 18:44:37
all day about fellaini and baines, everton fans slamming our 'insulting' bid and a lot of united agreeing the bid was far too low.really?
baines is a good left back don't get me wrong but at his age I wouldn't pay more than £15m and tbh I don't understand why we are even in for him anyway.
we need a player like fellaini IMO but he's not worth more than £20m at most and tbh we could probably get lars bender for around the same price who is far better.
I understand everton fans would rate them higher than that but IMO £35m for both is about right bur there are better options than both of them for similar values.
I read earlier someone saying that everton are in the driving seat because theyr not desperate to sell, well tbh were not desperate to sign them, baines certainly anyway.
anyway my point is that realistically we are around £7m under what theyr worth so how is that insulting? its called room for negotiation. like everton will do when they bid for mccarthy!

05 Aug 2013 09:13:52
Im not having a go at anyone in particular here but some posts claiming our transfer activity is embarrasing need to stop panicking and get a grip really.
Yes it would be nice to have a couple of signings in the bag but we havent. some say citeh and chelsea have done their business early and we've been left behind need to look at it again. IMO city have strengthened their squad yes but the players they've bought are not really going to suddenly turn them into worldbeaters are they? they've signed a winger because they didn't really have one, 2 strikers to replace tevez and a 28 yr old poor mans toure, nothing much really apart from squad depth. Chelsea have a great squad already so their signings would find it hard to improve on mata, hazard and oscar so again there is no real difference except numbers in the squad.
People saying were united we expect the best need to realise its not football manager and the best is rarely available. Do people really believe moyes doesn't know what he needs? he's a new manager who is assessing his squad instead of signing players just for the sake of it. he's been slated by some on here for the way he publicly chased fabregas and they believe we now look silly for not signing him but these same people were saying we should be more aggresive with transfers like madrid are only a few weeks ago!
If people like us can see what we need i'm sure moyes can but like I said this isn't football manager! And as for the people who think we shouldn't be giving youth a chance because were man united and should sign all the best players just think back 20 years to messrs beckham, scholes, giggs, butt and the nevilles, they didn't turn out bad did they?

1.) 05 Aug 2013 10:31:49
Hooray, its not just me.

2.) No mate but were definately in a minority!
I worry about the sanity of some people tbh but if you forget about who everyone is signing and look at what moyes has done by giving himself time to assess the squad ( including the youngsters ) then IMO he's doing things right.
If he'd signed 2 or 3 players that aren't much better than what we've got he'd be accused of signing average players and ignoring the youth. The guy can't win either way and he's only been manager a few wks uts ridiculous

3.) Chelsea played 69 competitive games last season.

For any club wanting to be successful then expect to play 60+ games.

It's not about having 'squad' players any more, the quality needs to be there throughout. Chelsea have 6 players to choose from in the attacking midfield, it gives them considerable options.

31 Jul 2013 07:15:54
A lot of people now mentioning modric as an alternative to fabregas but I really don't see us signing more than one midfielder undortunately so if that's the case it would have to be fellaini for me.
not a skillful, creative midfielder that we also need IMO but more of a neccesity.
modric is a good player but is he going to stop us being bullied and overrun in midfield like we did many times last season? i'd say no chance.
fellaini is obviously not your silky smooth footballer but he's also nowhere near as bad as some people on here seem to think. Hopefully it'l be fellaini plus another but if only one midfielder is bought then apart from vidal or the benders it has to be fellaini I think.
we need strength in midfield

19 Jul 2013 20:19:10
A lot of frustration by a lot of posters with our lack of activity while others are a lot more relaxed about it.
Personally I do think signings will be made eventually but I do think they need to be sooner rather than later in order to aytract other signings.
We think that the prospect of playing for manchester united should be enough to tempt top players but things don't work like that anymore with the odd exception.
My point is that we are in a position we haven't been in for over 25yrs and a lot of people and players will be looking to see whether this is the end of an era and with no SAF can we still attract the best players. Iv no doubt myself and the majority of united fans have no doubt we can but I feel a big signing is needed soon not just to improve us but to show fans and other potential targets that we are a club that still has the pulling power.
I know its about the team not individuals but if you were a player you would want to be playing with the best and I don't think many would be getting excited about playing with cleverley, welbeck, young, valencia etc.
Im not disrespecting those players ability but just an opinion of how potential targets may view it and I think we need to make a statement signing soon.
Sorry for long post

1.) Long post? Let me introduce you to Shappy

2.) It looked like an essay when I wrote in on my phone haha

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I don't think we would stop at £30m either so why is a higher bid not been submitted in the last 2 weeks? I think about the £12m offer for baines at the beginning of july and wonder if he was a genuine target why wait a month then make an offer for him and fellaini which values him at the same price as the £12m bid that was rejected? I understand were trying to play hardball but as much as that works in commerce/marketing it doesn't always work in football and that's my point mate, other clubs seem to be able to get deals done in a few days and we appear to have dragged our feet for 6wks.I do think we've got things lined up but I think we couldv moved quicker on baines and fellaini if theyv always been targets instead of risking missing out for the sake of £3-4m

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HB

I think we will bring in 2 but if 1 is fellaini i'd ask why we didn't pay his release clause weeks ago if he was always a target.

Syd

We all know how negotiations work but do you not think we've wasted too much time between bids? If we have genuine targets why are we not getting them tied up quicker? IMO it boils down to woodwards experience.
If you deal in a commercial/marketing role you have more time to negotiate the best possible deal than in football where as we know if you mess about you lose out

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23 Aug 2013 16:44:08
Andy!

I agree which is why I believe the first thing moyes should have done is spent big on a big name at the start.
People may say its about building a team and I agree with that but a big name signing wouldv shown everyone we can attract the big boys without SAF because tbh is a top quality player going to be excited at the prospect of playing with carrick, cleverly, young etc? No. And the longer it goes the more questions will be asked.

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Sligo Red

woodward got his job based on his success in marketing and his lack of experience in football is obvious.
Also with no disrespect to everton who IMO are a great club, moyes has no experience of dealing with the level of scrutiny and expectation he now has which is why I think we maybe made a mistake bringing both in at the same time simply because its new to both of them and theyd need time to adapt and tbh I think we've witnessed that lack of experience this summer.

avitURS

Id like to think the lure of playing for manchester united would be enough for many.Im happy to give moyes time just like we gave SAF but the longer it goes without making a quality signing the more questions will be asked about his pulling power by some supporters

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REDFAITH

Think you're spot on mate tbh.
I think a big problem too has been changing manager AND chief exec at the same time