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07 Jan 2014 10:29:13
a friend of mine who is a mancity fan wrote this:
This is one of those times where
the modern media really fails us
as football fans in explaining
exactly what has happened at
Manchester United. I often
complain that they focus too
much on irrelevance and not
enough on the actual business of
football behind the scenes and
this is an example of where it
could have helped.
I'm not sure what anybody else
was expecting here but Man
United are right about where I
thought they would be. I think
they'll finish higher than this but
their form is somewhat
predictable.
United as a Club has completely
fell apart and it is the job of David
Moyes to rebuild it. It has fell
apart because the Club in the
modern era was built entirely to
Ferguson's exacting standards
and methods. Every single person
in every department of the Club
knew what they were doing
every day and what the ultimate
point was.
Clubs falling apart after the
movement of a Czar isn't new.
United fell apart after Busby left,
Liverpool got worse the more
contrived the boot room system
became. It's natural.
I think United fans should
remember the words of
Ferguson before he left. He's a
proper football man, as is David
Moyes, and they both know the
scale of the task Moyes has
undertaken and the time it will
take to bear fruit. United can
either studiously water their
crops over time to create a vast
sustainable empire once again
that will provide riches for
generations or they can dump
nuclear waste on their land and
grow tomacco.
For me, the real test of the
Glazers as owners starts today.
You can talk about money and
whatever but to most people it's
an irrelevance, United have been
ultra successful and the manager
has been given what he wanted.
So far so good for the Glazers.
The test starts right now because
we discover whether they are
the seasoned and patient
businessmen that the Edwards
family were or just another
kneejerk bunch of persons who are
sacking managers on ridiculous
timescales.
I think Moyes has certainly made
mistakes, or rather a single
mistake. I think he tried to
transition too quickly from
Ferguson's staff to his own staff
in the first team which created
unneccesary pressure on himself.
This can be forgiven however as
I see what he was trying to
accomplish. He knew that this
would be a difficult period of
transition and he wants to snap
it as quickly as possible rather
than do it piece by piece.
Managers often do lack patience
in transition, AVB had the same
problem at Chelsea. Funnily,
Ferguson did the same mistake
when he first joined too.
I see people who have called
Moyes unambitious because he
has said that United played well
when they didn't. This is a man
who had a job for life in a stable
Premier League team where he
was beloved and he decided to
pack that in and move to the
most famous Club in the world
and succeed the best ever
manager in the game, to take on
a rebuilding job the like of which
has never been done in the
modern era of football.
Unambitious? Do me a favour.
You see, Manchester United was
a club built in Ferguson's own
image and everybody took their
lead from him. He was an
imposing figure yet if you meet
him he had this working class
charm that made you want to
fight for him. David Moyes is a
similar figure but doesn't yet
covet the same respect and
loyalty from everybody at
Manchester United. There's no
possible way that he could, that
anybody could, most of the
people at United were directly
employed by Ferguson or
employed whilst he was the
manager. In time, Moyes will have
the same respect bestowed on
him, that's all that it needs at the
minute, just some time for him to
get his feet under the table.
Some fans believe that David
Moyes isn't the man for United. I
challenge the idea that they even
understand what United is as a
Club. David Moyes is pretty much
the prototypical Manchester
United manager, if you had to
walk away and design a man
who would manage them, it is
him. He's fierce, he's tactically
well versed, he has a
superhuman work ethic, he
believes in youth promotion, he
plays with wingers, he inspires
loyalty and fight from everybody
around him. Those who don't
see this have never been to
Everton away under his tenure
there. Moyes managed to turn
that place into a lion's den in
how ferocious the atmosphere
was and how the team played,
and make no mistake this
developed under him and will
wane without him, managers
have a major effect on
atmospheres as any United fan
will tell you (or City fan for that
matter), he will do the same to
Old Trafford given time.
So I suppose the problem here is
that fans have underestimated
the mammoth of a task that
Moyes has to accomplish and
pundits have over-simplified it. It
will take Moyes several years to
get United built in his own image
and it will be better off for it
rather than start some
roundabout of managerial
changes. And I warn United fans,
I'm a fan of a Club that has had
probably 30 managers in the
past 30 years. Once you start
down this path of swapping in
and out managers, you can never
come back from it.
One last thing to note. I find it
interesting how many people
when this was announced said
things like "Moyes will need a
transition time" but have now
decided that he should be gone
in January. Transition time is a
term used to denote the time it
takes to sweep away the
mentality of the old regime and
bring in your own mentality.
Essentially, how long it takes to
forget the old manager and buy
into the thoughts of the new
even if it conflicts with what the
old manager would say. For a
manager who casts the shadow
of Ferguson, this will take 3 or 4
years, not 3 or 4 months. Bobby
Charlton, Alex Ferguson and
others at United understand this
so appointed a manager who
can rebuild United and have the
wide shoulders it requires to
bear the load of expectation
from the fans and media. They
think they found their right man
in David Moyes and all piss taking
aside, so do I. I hope that they
both fight his corner in the
boardroom and I'm sure they
will. These people understand
United as a Club, understand
what makes it successful and
understand what makes it
special.
Moyes will be fine if the fans just
shut up and let him do his job.
Now, back to pissing taking.

1.) This is an excellent summary.

Whether or not Moyes has the ability to rebuild the club in his own image and be successful at it remains to be seen. Given the current disarray I would have to agree it's going to be a 3-5 year job.

Taking the longer term view, even if Moyes is up to the task, there is still the question as to whether the Glazers will be willing or able to pony up the cash - especially if the revenues associated with Champions League participation dries up. How much has it cost to rebuild City? 600m? Given where we are now, with very few young top class players to build the club around, Moyes will need serious funds. If we are not in Europe next season, he will also need a high degree of confidence and persuasive powers to sell the project to prospective signings.

Finally, while Stanod makes a great case for patience, based on the first 6 months of Moyes' tenure, witnessing his apparent missteps, lack of signings in the summer, embattled media persona, negative body language and general mixed messages etc there is the impression that this is a man without a plan.

2.) @peashooter

United has over 80mil cash in the bank and is expected to generate another 80mil by the end of the season, EVEN IF WE FINISH OUTSIDE OF THE TOP 4.

It will only make players harder to get in the summer. I think that a hint of desperation is actually needed at United to pay up for the targets. I don't think any of our targets will be moving in January, perhaps someone like Vidal, but other than that I think waiting for the summer would be a far better option.

Even if we are out of the top 4 I think we will find better players than we will right now.

3.) Loved reading this, almost felt the need to print off a few copies to save myself a lot of time down the pub haha.

4.) Quality, thanks for sharing

5.) Me too Oz.

Isn't it ridiculous that it usually takes fans from other clubs, to bring a sense of realistic perspective about our current situation?

And I mean those fans that aren't bent double, laughing at us as we hysterically self-implode.

6.) Moyes, tactically astute? Are you kidding? His tactics have been non existent.
I can understand why the likes of city arsenal Chelsea and Liverpool want him at our club, because he's useless and we'll win nothing with him here.
Watch us tonight and take the blinkers off and see how far we've sunk since he's been here.

7.) Nice, considered, thoughtful, measured response as usual, Nomidfield.

You never disappoint me :)

22 Sep 2013 19:14:37
A good fan will never blame players or
coach. A good fan always accepts
defeat. A good fan always support
when the team lose or win. MUFC Till I die.

1.) If a match going fan wants to voice their frustration they can . Never heard so much bull!

20 Sep 2013 12:21:04
I have never been so excited for a derby match as I am for super suday clash against our noisy neighbours, who do u think should be lining up for the match? I'd go with the team against leverkusen but with slight changes, evans for ferdinand and young/welbeck(if fit) for kagawa. What do u think guys.

1.) Why in earth would you want Young for Kagawa?

2.) Likewise, I'd go for the same side except change Kagawa for Welbeck. If we can get a firm grip on the game then Kagawa can always come on but I think we could do with Welbeck's energy to help out Evra otherwise Navas will skin him at every opportunity.

3.) Fresh young is harder working than kags, and a more direct type of player, which IMO would suit a counter attacking style which I have a feeling is what we will play on sunday.

4.) Not a fan of Young, but have to agree his is excellent in a swift breakaway situation.

10 Jun 2013 18:16:53
no sentiment attached, who is the better player between rooney and van persie. I wuld go with rooney. say urs and why.

1.) Rooney has/had the ability to be the much better player but I think he has wasted it by his unprofessional attitude to fitness and looking after his body. Therefore I would have to say RVP as he has kept himself in top shape and on top form. I think Rooney is now on the decline whereas RVP is at his peak.

Brendan81

2.) Rvp of now and Rooney of 3 years agoish. I say RVP now as he is more calm on the ball and has a much better sense of composure. Rooney when on form is better all round though.

1redarmy

3.) Right now? If so - RvP

4.) Rooney has won more, scored more goals, contributed more to his team is on for the record for his country ( at the same stage in their respective careers) so yes definitely van persie for me ; )

Roonbest

5.) Rooney is world class, imo was as good as ronaldo when he left utd. he seemed to slip a little of late, fergie had it in for him since transfer request back in the day. on form rooney would have disposed of r madrid for you this season, rvp is not even in the same league.

B O H

6.) 10 Jun 2013 20:28:30
Do me a favour. RvP is twice the player, athlete and person than Rooney is.

Whistler.

7.) I think at the moment it's got to be Rvp, was there any better striker in the world last year?
Jred

8.) Yes there was: Falcao, Lewandoski and Cavani were all better than RVP.

9.) At the moment its RVP, but their career striking numbers are pretty similar, while Rooney has done so while being an all-around player, dropping deep and out wide when needed, and creating countless goals for teammates. RVP is better at the moment, but when both are in top form and healthy Rooney is better as he can simply do more for the team.

10.) RVP

Better passer and miles better control.

Shahram

10 Jun 2013 16:56:43
moving on from the strootman/fabregas debate (cos dylan would never accept), let's have a bit of banter who would you pick between oscar and mario gotze and marco reus and why. would is the best {Ed004's Note - Gotze because he is on his way to the very top. Was my dream transfer signing this summer behind Messi and Ronaldo. Then Reus then Oscar.}

1.) Reus, we need a player that can run at the opposition and he has it all IMO, his touch is great, his dribbling is exceptional and he has an eye for goal.

2.) It would depend, if we sold Rooney, Gotze would be his ideal replacement. But as it's going it looks like Rooney is staying so therefore Reus would bring much much more to the side with his pace and skill.

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16 Jun 2013 12:52:58
chidubem are u from nigeria?

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16 Jun 2013 09:14:14
hey, no name I can't remember pellegrini winning a major trophy in europe, I AM KLOOT LET PELLEGRINI TALK THE TALK AND MOYES DO THE WINNING, KLOOTY BOY I BELIEVE MARK HUGHES WILL SAY HE WILL WIN TROPHIES WITH STOKE, IN AS MUCH AS I DISLIKE MANCINI HE IS BETTER THAN PELLEGRINI.

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08 Jun 2013 22:46:12
zee, welcome back mate, shappy u have said it all.

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17 May 2013 15:36:42
pardoe what is it with nigeria, are u trying to insult us or what

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02 Mar 2013 18:56:55
Ronney misplace passes and why did he score such goal when passing is the best option:)