17 Dec 2014 17:25:30
Here's one for u guys on the diving and over zelous challenges debates going on in English football atm, what do u think about having 3 cards? yellow, red, and say green.

If the ref thinks u have dived or gone in to hard in a game u get a standard yellow card, if he's not sure u get a green card which means it gets reviewed in the week and if deemed it was a dive or excessive u start the next game u play on a yellow card or if already u had a yellow u get a 1 game ban. Like wise with rash challenges.

If the tackle was really bad ala Thatcher a few years back the ref can issue a yellow and green card which means the fa can then still take retrospective action. It would still support the refs decisions but might clear up a few grew areas.

Me format would also include if u get say 2/3 green cards that gets reviewed and result in further punishment the bans increase.

Eds/posters what do u think?

Just a thought I had today.

1.) 17 Dec 2014
Chris

They do this in Rugby League albeit without an extra card. Players are put on report - I.e the ref isn't sure what happened but is asking that it is reviewed post game. It works well.

2.) 17 Dec 2014
17 Dec 2014 18:15:23
Yes it works well in league. There's a lot of stuff in both codes of rugby that football could bring in.

3.) 17 Dec 2014
17 Dec 2014 18:31:01
I think we should round up all the proven divers on a weekly basis, take them up in a plane, and push them out at 1500 feet with no parachute. See how much the really like it!

In all seriousness, that sounds like a good system but I'd rather keep it simple so maybe like AJH says - no need for an actual card?

My first port of call would actually be a short term policy of harsh retrospective action taken against divers. You would think that after a few bans are dished out it would put a stop to it. If it didn't work I would then put this suggested plan in place.

4.) 17 Dec 2014
Footballers could learn a lot if they adopted some rules from rugby. We all know football is dictated by money now, but football is loosing its integrity in terms of fair play and respect. I don't think you can appeal to the better nature of footballers and suddenly expect them to be more respectful to referees and fellow players, because it just won't happen. Many top players, especially it seems in this country, seem to be completely detached from reality.
Hard, and sometimes mistimed and bad tackles, are just part of the game. As long as there is not deliberate intent to injure another player, I think the rules are fine as they are. As for going to ground too easily, it will always be open to debate IF the player has been touched. If a player goes down when no contact has been made, in my book that is cheating. Plain and simple. If the ref is conned by it during the game, there is not much that can be done about it without introducing video replays. But, if a player does dive, and therefore cheat, video evidence should be used retrospectively to impose am immediate 3 march ban. I honestly think that is the only way to stemp it out of the game.
In my opinion at least, diving and simulation is a cancer that is ruining the game. If players themselves do not have the integrity to stop it, then the only way to stop it is banning those who don't.

5.) 17 Dec 2014
17 Dec 2014 19:47:47
I think the problem is, and always will be just how hard it is to prove. Intention is always a sticking point in any post game review.

6.) 17 Dec 2014
17 Dec 2014 22:45:32
Gd post betty mate.

7.) 18 Dec 2014
18 Dec 2014 09:34:22
My problem with the whole diving debate is that people are getting punished for 'going down easily' which is not necessarily cheating. I play football and I am pretty quick so any touch on my ankles and it can take me down. I have many times been accused of diving and cheating which is not the case, I would never go down when I have not been touched, but I grew up being told that if you get touched in the area you go down, otherwise you will never get the penalty.

It is a tricky one, there are a few players who go down when they have not been touched, but most of the time players are getting cautioned for 'going down too easily' which in my opinion is not a dive. I am not really of the opinion of betty that it is a cancer ruining the game, if people were throwing themselves to the floor each week when not being touched then I would say so, but you rarely see that, generally a foul is committed and the player just makes it look more like a foul than it is.

My big issue in football is time keeping, and that is something we should definitely take from rugby. Stopping the clock when there is an injury or substitution will stop any ridiculous time wasting. The ref has too much to be doing during the game to also be keeping an eye on his watch. The amount of time added on in most games makes zero sense, and if there is a stoppage during injury time the ref very rarely adds it on, for me this is something that ruins the integrity of the game.

8.) 18 Dec 2014
18 Dec 2014 10:20:05
I've been saying for a while now that there should be a panel of ex players who review diving incidents at the end of the weekend and if a player is found guilty they get banned for a game, if they do it again ban them for 2 games and so on. It would soon stop them!

9.) 18 Dec 2014
I have been saying for a long time that footballers should be subject to retrospective punishment. It is impossible for a referee to see everything and so often we see an instant replay on tv which makes it obvious that a player has cheated.
One thing i don't want to see however is every decision being referred to a third official This takes too long. In cricket every run out is referred and in rugby every try is referred.
One thing i would also like to borrow from rugby is the 10 minute sin bin. This could also be used for instances when the referee sees someone blatently cheating. It could also be used to discourage something else i hate in football the situation when a player, quote, takes a booking for the team. Surely it is another form of cheating when a player deliberately commits a foul knowing he will get booked but also knowing he may have saved his team a goal. Surely sending a player off for 10 minutes would act as a more fitting punishment then a token booking that is no punishment at all. I can just imagine mr mourinho moaning if chelsea conceded a goal whilst cahill was serving a 10 minute sin bin for diving!

10.) 18 Dec 2014
Also in rugby they allow the trainers on to deal with minor injuries whilst play continues if safe to do- this would be great for footy and would hopefully stop the cheats from dropping dead just to hold up the opposition-the 4th official could deem if its ok to send on the medics and inform the ref on his radio that he's allowing the trainer on. bring it on i say

11.) 18 Dec 2014
18 Dec 2014 22:39:53
Chris, I'd just like to know, with a new baby on the scene, where the feck you're getting all this thinking time? :)