04 Aug 2020 11:11:02
I watch Dortmund regularly, i can tell you that sancho is no where worth the 120m been talked about. I sick of this club wasting money that could have been better spent on 2-3 good players, this is just madness!

1.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 11:34:06
Who is worth the money then?

2.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 12:02:56
I'm available on a free!

3.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 12:33:34
Let's be honest no player is worth even half of what gets paid. Agents fees, sponsorship deals, brand power and huge sums of money coming in though TV deals mean that companies are paying more for a member of staff than competitors have as a budget for a whole year.

It's obscene. But it is what it is.

Jadon Sancho is young and English which means a premium is placed on his head, then you add the "United" tax that we always seem to have to pay on top of any transfer fee.

Often fees are higher or just as high for players with "potential" than those at their peak.

As for Jandon Sancho, I saw a stat the other day that stated that since the start 18/ 19 season until now only Messi has more league goal involvements (goals and assists) . If true then that is one hell of an achievement.

I also watch a fair amount of Dortmund, and Sancho is a player who like many 20 year olds drifts in and out of games at times. Yet he still has that knack of scoring or creating a glorious chance at any moment. It's that knack that separates the good from the world class players. Players who even when they aren't playing well still find a way to influence the game.

Sancho has that ability and it is showing through at a young age. He still has plenty to work on and he needs to learn how to impose himself on games more, while rounding some rough edges. He has huge potential and that is what we would be paying for. A very good player now, who in 2-3 years time could be genuinely world class.

While I agree that if it was down to me I would probably look elsewhere as the extremes of his "value" mean that we could get 2 or even 3 players with huge potential for the same cost.

But the club have decided it is Sancho they want, and he wouldn't be a bad signing. Factoring in his age, his current ability, his potential ability and his marketability (which for our club will be a huge draw) then it won't be a bad signing, even at the prices quoted. Hopefully the club can bring the cost down, maybe tie some of the payments up against his performances so that if it doesn't work out for whatever reason that some of the total cost is brought down.

4.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 12:58:50
I have posted previously that Sancho's fee must be considered as a long term investment.
He can fill the RW role for more than a decade possibly.

5.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 13:04:35
20 goals and 20 assists last season. He’s a very highly rated player. Paying for what he can be, as well as what he’s doing now.

6.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 13:48:06
Sancho won't produce the same numbers in the Premier League as he had in the Bundesliga. Some of the defences in Germany are shocking. If he gets double figures for goals and assists across all competitions next season then he will have done pretty well.

It sounds daft but I'm most looking forward to the fact he is a very entertaining footballer to watch. We've been dire to watch for the majority of the last decade so having someone who will run at players and throw in a trick or two has been missing.

In his first season I can see him being brilliant at times but frustrating at others. I'd shove plenty of money on Graeme Souness complaining within Sancho's first 10 games that he doesn't do enough in terms of end product because he's too busy nutmegging people and doing tricks in areas which aren't doing any harm.

7.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 14:02:30
To be fair Rjmanutd you could have said the same for Fernandes and the Portuguese league but he managed 8 goals and 7 assists in 14 games for us and the same in 17 games for them.

8.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 14:05:54
How does he compare to Ronaldo at the same age?

{Ed002's Note - Slightly shorter.}

9.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 14:35:53
Pogthedog, completely agree, Fernandes has been a revelation. My comment isn't to say Sancho will never reach the numbers he has in the Bundesliga, more to say he won't produce that next season in the PL.

10.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 15:09:17
We don’t know what he will produce until he’s here. If we sign him let’s see. Our forward line is young and full of talent. Really exciting signing this for me.

11.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 15:43:59
If United have a valuation for Sancho we need to stick with it. Dortmund are just traders in young players and go for the highest price. In this day and age the amount of money requested is obscene.
We could Traore or Zaha for half the price and they have more experience.

12.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 16:18:46
Common sense would suggest we would see some drop off in his output between the Bundesliga and the EPL. Much tougher league, with much better defenders.

That said who knows, as pointed out above that Bruno hasn't dropped off between the Liga Nos and the EPL. Although that is on a small sample size and he has scored a lot of penalty goals for us.

If Sancho scores 12 goals and 12 assists across all competitions then that would be a success in his first year, anything more would be amazing.

That said a lot of Sancho's goals have come from positions other than the RW.

When playing on the RW he has 5 goals and 7 assists.
7 goals and 3 assists when playing in the No.10 central area.
With 6 goals and 6 assists coming from the left hand side of the pitch.

Which is something to remember, he has been moved around the pitch to where he can be most dangerous in that particular game rather than just playing in one position all the time. However, that flexibility and that he can score and assist equally from all areas does bode well, and he could easily cover for Rashford or Bruno if needed with Greenwood coming in on the right for example.

13.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 15:51:19
Ed002 - haha 😂😂😂😂😂😂.

14.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 16:37:55
That’s the point of the signing. Him, Rashford and Martial can interchange across the front 3 making it a nightmare to pick up and mark them. Really excited by this signing.

15.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 17:08:23
You are overselling the defense of English clubs. It's not that Germans have such a weak defense, its more that they play different style of football, more atacking based. Also, I don't see Rashford being much stronger physically than Sancho, and he doesn't seem to have much problem with it.

Sancho had 17 goals and 17 assists in Bundesliga, in 32 matches. And of course he didn't play every minute of it. Its not easy to get those numbers in any league.

Sure it doesn't mean he will produce the same number, but getting double digits will do just fine if you ask me.

16.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 18:11:29
Trololo, while I agree the Bundesliga has a different style to the EPL. I would argue that much of what I consider poor defending in Germany isn't due to playing style but due to poor basic defensive errors.

I'd argue that every team in the Bundesliga below 8th would be in a relegation dog fight in the EPL if they defended in our league the same way they defend in theirs.

Far far too many silly errors, just not getting the basics right. It's one of the reasons I'd be very cautious over signing a defender from the Bundesliga.

Bayern have some good defenders, as do Leipzig, but Gladbach's and Dortmund's defenders are average at best, and they are both challenging for the top four.

Can you name the last great defender to move from the Bundesliga to the EPL or La Liga and smash it?

{Ed047's Note - or even the last great right winger?

17.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 19:29:19
I do agree Shappy that the defense there is weaker, what I'm saying is that English defenders aren't that great as you deem them to be.

There is no guarantee of that. The season Eintracht finished 7th in their league, was the season where Chelsea struggled to beat them. It went to penalties. Chelsea had easier time beating Arsenal in final, than beating Eintracht. Sure, that's just an example, I wouldn't base my opinion just on one match, but no one can guarantee how a team would do in another league.

They are challenging because of the style of the league, they go for a goal more, every team there does. Their league can't compare to EPL and La Liga, mostly because of Bayern, but there are some pretty good players there. Also, Bayern tends to pick up most of the quality players from Germany, and most of the players seemingly want to stay in Germany and join Bayern, rather than joining EPL.

Erm, Kompany? Mertesacker? Soyuncu the latest (maybe not top player yet, but quite good) .

Some atacking players as well. Maybe not too much RWs, but some serious LWs and AMs came from Bundes.

You could make a case like that for almost any position / player / league.

18.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 19:43:30
Ed47 as we both found out Miki was abysmal 😂.

{Ed047's Note - my point exactly Caolan 🤣

19.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 20:27:33
Trololo, I'd say Kompany was the last great defender to come out of the Bundesliga. He has retired now, which tells you how rarely a great defender finds themselves playing in Germany.

It's not about nationality, as Germany generally defend well as a national team. It's about coaching and focus.

There just doesn't seem to be the same focus and quality of defender playing in the Bundesliga. Although to be fair France are the only country who seem to be churning out great central defenders currently. It's frankly ridiculous as they are almost certain to leave behind at least two CB's who would be first choice for any other nation at an international tournament.

20.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 20:36:37
I’d slowly forgot about him until you mentioned wide players 😂.

{Ed047's Note - me too, totally forgot we had him on loan elsewhere!🤦‍♂️🤣

21.) 04 Aug 2020
04 Aug 2020 21:22:34
He still on the books Ed or has a permanent deal been done? He was great for us in spells but that was about it. Incredibly infuriating player.

{Ed047's Note - yep, still on the books, hopefully he’ll move on, such a shame as for Dortmund he was fantastic.

22.) 05 Aug 2020
05 Aug 2020 10:32:24
He was fantastic at Dortmund and had some cracking spells here. Shame really, but don’t think he had the balls or desire to get his head down and work when things weren’t going his way.

{Ed047's Note - it never ceases to amaze me when they get these opportunities and then almost can’t be bothered.

I guess money often takes away the desire.