Manchester United Banter Archive May 09 2013

09 May 2013 22:56:10
Very interesting to hear of our interest in Di Maria, a player that I have advocated for some time. I think there will be a hole restructuring of the left handside with Baines & Di Maria or Gaitan coming in. Ferdinand will sign on for another year and there will be no new CBs coming in under Moyes. Jones will get games in midfield and there will be no Fellaini, I think we will move for one of Gundogan, Moutinho or Strootman. Personal favourite is Gundogan. The only other change depends on Rooney, does he stay or does he go? Many say he no longer has a rift with Moyes, but I think the thing that would make him stay is Ronaldo's return. On the other hand, we won't sell to Chelsea and if Bayern sign Lewandowski then there is no where for him to go. He will not get in the team over Kagawa though in my opinion.

We have good partnerships all over the pitch I think, Ferdinand & Vidic will still be in place, Rafael & an on form Valencia is a good right hand side. Kagawa and RVP are on the same wave length & Baines with Di Maria could be very special indeed.

Fully expecting Moyes to play a 4-4-1-1 come 4-2-3-1.

That team would not do much in the PL or the CL. Filling spots we don't need filled (LB and a Real Madrid flop). DiMaria and Valencia are not good enough for our starting XI.

How can you call Di Maria a real madrid flop? He starts most of their games and has a great goal + assist ratio since joining?

KG, Di Maria may be what we need on the right. Someone lively, fast and beats his man many times.

He has also been in top form this season with Madrid.

-JakeW

I agree kg. If we're going to improve, then we need to buy the best. Ronaldo or bale, moutinho or gundogan AND strootman. Also if Rooney goes, then will need a top striker, lewindawski or falcao.
Before we start the FIFA posts, the above is what is required to compete with Bayern, barca and Dortmund. So it all depends on the club ambitions.
I'm sure we'll do well in the transfer window.
Nomidfield

09 May 2013 22:15:22
The best way for moyes to get really into what it means to be united manager will be a Manchester derby in the charity shield. Sign a few 1st teamers cm's and wingers beat city in that and he will have everyone behind him. Looking a bit too far forward but this week has made me realise what a loss SAF really will be.

09 May 2013 21:59:41
Enough about Moyes let's remember who we have managing us for the last 2 games and for those of you who like me will be privileged to attend his last game in charge at OT Reclaim United have got a pre match celebration organised:

We've been in contact with Red Square and they are happy to work with us to mark the occasion against Swansea. Fellow Reds are encouraged to turn up in classic United tops from Fergie's era, make home made banners celebrating the great man and show some colour by bringing old or old style scarfs. We'd encourage you to get in early, we've arranged for some original footage taken from the Fergie era from old Match of the days and the like to be shown on the big screen. At 3:30 we will set off to the ground on mass, marching round the ground before going in. Previously when we've gone under the stands at Old Trafford its sounded brilliant and is testament to the potential to get Old Trafford back to what it should be. Sunday he deserves our best from.

Here here, let's show him exactly what he means to us and our gratitude for what he has done for us.

Thank you again SAF

Brendan81

09 May 2013 22:30:02
I will be there kloot wearing my brightest red top

out of interest where will you be sitting? you should hold a banner saying I AM KLOOT and see how many people approach

RED Dream

09 May 2013 22:43:41
Superb suggestion Kloot - count me well and truly in!

The old Black away top (sharp viewpoint) with Cantona on the back my get a little scretched on Sunday now!

Sunday is going to be an emotional, but wonderful celebration of the greatest manager the world has ever seen. Sir Matt will be smiling down on all of us come Sunday, so I for want to do both him and Sir Alex proud.

Bring. it. on

WF Red Devil

Is this one occasion then that we can wear football tops, without feeling the wrath of KLOOT?

Grown men in football tops, noooooo, lol! Great idea though Kloot should be a carneval -like atmosphere for the big man!

HBadger

09 May 2013 21:38:25
What a week! I have experienced many emotions the last few days, sad, scared, annoyed, nervous and excited in a way.

Getting into college to be told Fergie is retiring was heart breaking because I didn't get to attend one game this season due to a lot of work. I was going to be traveling up to Manchester every few weeks next season to watch the games and it upsets me knowing I won't get to see Fergie on the sidelines anymore. I'll treasure the little amount of times I've seen him.

Then there was the whole mini "Who will replace him?" saga. Straight away I was thinking MOURINHO! Then after I thought that could be a bad idea. Then finding out David Moyes may take over annoyed me, but of course as I started to think about it, It can't be that bad?

It's hard to explain how I feel because we don't know what the future holds for us. Moyes could win the league and do well in Europe and all is a success with Fergie as his tutor figure for a few years.

But maybe Moyes will be a disaster and we struggle the next few seasons? Highly unlikely IMO but you don't know to be honest.

What I do know is Sir Alex Ferguson loves this club and he has given a quarter century of his life to us and all I can say is thank you. He won't just abandon us, he must have had this planned for a while. He isn't going to let us degrade like Liverpool or Arsenal. I am 100% sure he knows what's right for us and his plan should all come together to keep United up there.

The next two games we have need to be treasured as we will never get to see this man at work ever again. Then maybe after he has gone we can start over again and hope for another 6? 10? 20? years of Moyes continuing his success.

What ever happens, I will love Manchester United until the day I die.

Has much had he had done for us don't forget Fergie has been very well rewarded for his service where we only give.

Carl

And here goes the explanation, you are young and only know united when they've had success, but we know the club in 60, 70, 80's and success was not on the agenda apart from 67 and 68.
Moyes will be a disaster.

Such a disaster that you can't even be bothered to leave a name to post your rubbish.

Carl,

What exactly do you mean by that?

GDS, jakew says Fergie gave a quarter of a century of his life to United, it reads like it was some kind of sacrifice.

Carl

Well to be fair he could have walked away 10 years ago and left a legend but stayed on and continued to create another 2 teams and a legacy that will never be matched. Sounds like you are just trying to find a negative in a good post to me.

No name, are you saying that nobody under the age of say 30 can be a passionate supporter because they have only known success?!

Ste.

Too right GDS! The negativity on this page has always baffled me.

Fergie could have retired at the retiring age if he wanted too. But no he stayed and continued to work his a*s off for us.

And for the no-name post, I know I am young and yes I do only know a successful United but that doesn't mean anything. I will stick by the club even if we get relegated to league 2.

09 May 2013 21:20:01
In my opinion moyes will have a successful season depending on who we sign, same as if fergie was still boss. the current crop will not win anything next year if we don't get more world class, I know we have just won the league but that was mainly down to fergie, rvp Chelsea and city not being as strong and a bit of luck. other than that we have been average most the time. some good signings would get everyone behind moyes and boost the players, also I hope we cash in on sulking rooney for as much as we can to Russia, he flops over there and we have more funds towards the Ronaldo piggy bank :)

09 May 2013 21:04:42
I can honestly say that I am excited for the upcoming season. I think Moyes will show what SAF sees and why he rates him so highly. I watched PNE regularly when Moyes was in charge and he showed great potential and everyone knew he would do well at Everton. I feel the same now! I just hope his training methods don't deter big names from coming, although I still believe signing the rough diamond is the best policy and turn them into a gem. (Vidic, Evra, Carrick) Here's to a great 2013/2014. And to a great sending off that SAF truly deserves.

09 May 2013 20:27:46
Hi guys,

Was wondering does Fergies retirement mean that our previous targets who were believed to be more or less signed are now in doubt? The likes of Strootman and Lewandoski who seemed likely only last week, are the still on the cards? Looking forward to hearing your opinions.


El Diablo

Di Maria never saw that, think that would be an excellent signing if we did. Do you know ed if this is a straight transfer?

Charlie {Ed002's Note - There is no "transfer" at this time.}

09 May 2013 20:34:20
The deed is done but I make no bones about it, I strongly disagree with the appointment of Moyes because he plainly doesn't have the necessary experience but regardless of logic he is now Manager. Congratulations.

I believe they said he had similarities to SAF and felt it would be good continuity. However SAF was a one off, any other version of his style will always be less than him so why try to copy it? Is longevity and loyalty in one job better than experience and ability to achieve? Staying somewhere for a long time is merit worthy but not a reason to appoint. Also "in the same mould" may not work, everyone said copy the Barcelona mould but the Germans broke it and we just saw what happened. Just because something worked before doesn't mean it will always continue, also it doesn't mean it won't but it does show a lack of imagination and ambition to move forward to something new.

Moyes has an immediate uphill task because he does not have the full support of the fans, yes now he is manager people will give sound bytes they are ok but there are deep rooted doubts amongst a majority of fans that he was the right choice. Most will say give him time and he will get some but ask how you will feel if this time next year City are Champions and in the European Cup final? Ok wait a year after that and it still doesn't happen, pressure grows because we haven't won but even more within Moyes because he has never won. He needs something next season like it or not and that is pressure.

There is an immediate test, SAF said we had been working on deals for months, well will these still happen? I see many saying Felliani and Baines, Baines maybe but is that our ambition? Let us hope the top players buy into Moyes the manager and our owners actually support him with money when the concern is he has been appointed because he can work on a shoestring. He is a decent man and I wish him well, he needs our support and will get it, but with SAF he earned our confidence and a year without winning was a blip, but for Moyes doubts will grow within him and I hope he can cope with that.

The decision to appoint Moyes, like it or not is a risk and a big one, at a time when we didn't need to take one. We have and now have to live with it. Circle the wagons

Red Man {Ed004's Note - As I said last night the main thing we need to address this summer is who he sign as a number 2. If we keep Phelan or Steve Rounds comes I will start to worry massively. We really need a very good tactically good assistant like Carlos Quieroz. Personally from what I saw at the beginning of the season I think Moyes was trying to play a 4231 formation with the full backs providing width which is what I'd like to see us do.}

Fergie didn't win owt for 3 and a half years and a lot of the older fans were calling for his head till Mark Robins saved his job, the rest is history.

I get the concerns, especially regards budget, but Fergie has set the team up to be successful.

Only a true person could fail with a squad with De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Carrick, van persie, Kagawa.

Yes we need a left back, left winger, two centre midfielders and if Rooney goes a striker, but how is that different from January or last summer?

The question still remains will we spend.

And as ed4 says who gets to be No 2.

Ed004, Meulensteen knows what he is doing and I wouldn't be surprised to see Nev replace Mike Phelan. I wouldn't expect anyone like Queiroz. Don't forget SAF will still be around in some capacity.

Red Man, the biggest danger of the Moyes acquisition is not the fact he hasn't won trophies or his lack of European experience, it will be the 'minority' of fans that are against the appointment.

Sydney!

Ed

Wholeheartedly agree on the number two and I was trying to think of an appropriate appointment. He certainly will need a tactically aware European experienced no2, and not Phelan although I would keep Meulensteen involved. Quiroz would be an interesting option. I think a lack of a good no2 has hindered SAF in recent years

Red Man {Ed004's Note - Exactly our best football has been played when Ferguson has had a very good tactical number 2 beside him. From what people have said about Moyes he seems to be a similar style of manager to Ferguson in that his players have a lot of respect in him, he is extremely hard working and demands 100% in his players. Who here enjoys going to Goodison and trying to win there?}

Sydney

I think you will find the majority not the minority of fans were against his appointment, however the directors would have known that so any blame lies at their door not the fans. If Moyes fails it is his lack of ability, not fan support that is the issue. It almost feels like some are trying to beat the fans into line with the line, support him or it is your fault he has failed and I will not buy that

Red Man

No name

I am one of the older fans and few were calling for his head. Atkinson was a different matter where most of us were singing we've won rock all again most seasons and the pressure grew. Most on here can't remember it

Red Man

Alex Fergusons capacity to judge potential and ability in footballing terms has been illustrated many times over. How many accolades had Pep acquired before he was first team manager, who had heard of Klopps exploits a few seasons ago. Both these managers were given opportunity by their clubs, as for Jose. His style and ethos is not sympathetic with the values of the club. Moyes will flourish in the environment and resources that he has acquired under the guidance of Ferguson.

Ed04
We agree, I think SAF lacked balance in his management when he didn't have good advice from his No2. I can speak from experience and like honest input rather than meek acquiesce

Red Man {Ed004's Note - I know I've been harping all season but changing our style of play but I seriously think that if this is to happen Rene needs promoted or we need a new assistant who will bring in new ideas and techniques. Part of me thinks that selling Rooney will help with this new modern style of play. Now I think there is a high chance Rodriguez or Di Maria will be signed and that covers the right side with Kagawa playing centrally I really think we need a right footed left winger but I can't think of any available out there. I have wanted Gotze for the past two seasons but that isn't happening, only ones I can think of our Ronaldo, Reus, Isco, Sanchez, and Belhanda the last two are the only realistic ones tbh}

Red Man, let's get the 'Moyes out' banners ready then shall we? let's see how that affects the team and our position in the league table. Saying the majority of fans are against the appointment of Moyes is completely inaccurate. He may not have been everyone's first choice (including mine) but he is backed by 99% of the fans and it will only be a small minority that will let the club down. I certainly won't be that minority.

Sydney!

Sydney

a web site reported that the vast majority of United fans interviewed at OT didn't want Moyes but in fact wanted Mourinho. I heard the report myself tonight. I will not be doing any Moyes out banners but stop getting in a twist you are becoming delusional, Moyes is manager and I want him to succeed.

Red Man

Red Man, sure, I am one of those people who preferred someone else. But now he has been appointed the majority of fans are behind the manager.

Sydney!

Agree with red man, Moyes not my first choice but maybe it will do the club good to be unsuccessful for a couple of seasons before we realize we need to appoint a decent manager. Be prepared for failure.
The older ones here know what's coming, while the younger posters think he'll just carry on the work that saf did just because he's Scottish and cut from the same cloth.
Ridiculous appointment no class, no clue, and no chance of any trophies.

09 May 2013 20:08:28
Was worried about moyes but the more I think about it the more I like it. My one concern is will the young players (jones, smalling, rafael, DDG, wellbeck, cleverly) still reach there potential withot fergie especially the first 4 who I believe in 3 years can be the best in there position.

They are all internationals playing at one of the biggest clubs in world football why should we be worried about their development the experience they've had with winning the league will push them on.
I'd be more concerned about these players if Jose had been appointed look at the mess he's leaving behind at Madrid the way Inter suffered and Chealsea after his short term success
Dylan

09 May 2013 19:26:40
No seriously can one of you please tell me why we should be glad that a manager who has won nothing, has no faith in youth has never won a game away against the top 4. Has no experience in Europe, has never won at Anfield. Thinks that his team should pile men behind a ball is the perfect person to get the biggest job in world football and be given a 6 year contract to do it.

I want serious answers not that sh8t about him being cut from the same cloth as Busby and Fergie, that's just a load of tosh. I am well aware why Fergie doesn't want a big personality at the club by why should we have to settle for a footballing nobody. It is just madness.

Please please tell me I am wrong and explain why. Don't just say he is our manager and we have to get behind him that is a given. I want to know what makes him qualified for the job.

Alex Ferguson most likely picked him so that should count for something, he wouldn't of picked him if he didn't think he was capable

Who would you chosen?

Marky Mark

Wow very angry! Well who did u want out of who is available? Motes hasn't played Liverpool at anfield Everton have and let's be fair you'd expect them t beat Everton at home? I love the fact he's British and knows the prem also he seems a really good leader and motivator. As for our youth I think it's in safe hands as he has promoted lots of young players at Everton. I can just see after 1 or 2 losses u and others being all I told u so but I hope and believe he will be given 2-3 seasons to build and mould our great club in his vision. The king is dead long live the king! United99

I'd get in touch with the club for your answer Kloot.

Everton fan here in peace.

I can see why you may be skeptical about Moyes and I'm not here to hark on about how amazing he has done with us on a 'small budget' as I don't believe in all that crap.

In my opinion, Moyes is a good manager, but not a great one. Sure, to many he may have done a good job at Everton, but a lot us feel that he could've done even better. Here are a few problems;

1) I liked SAF's style of 'If we score 1, we go for a 2nd. If we score 2, we go for a 3rd etc. ' whereas Moyes is very much (especially against the top 4) 'We score 1, let's sit back with 10 men behind the ball for the rest of the game' (Note, the FA Cup Semi Final last year against the reds****)

2) His tactical substitutions and changes mid-game are poor (especially this season) and he really doesn't make any effective subs with us.

3) Finally, he rarely uses his youth. After the whole scenario with Rooney as youngster, you think he would put more faith in the youth, but this is not the case. Players like Barkley, Duffy and Vellios are all decent players that need first-team experience and he doesn't give this sadly.

As you may see, the things I've listed above may make you worried as a Utd fan that Moyes may be a disaster for you, but with a bit of money and a better squad, I reckon you will do just fine with him and I wish you and Moyes the best.

For your sake, I hope Moyes does grow a pair of balls and stop the negativity as I do have a soft spot for you guys.

Cheers.

He has maintained everton in the top half of the table, taken them to European football (albeit very briefly) and developed relative unknowns into quality players. He is involved in every aspect of the club, from youth to first team, doesn't have a massive ego and doesn't seek the limelight. And Everton have the lowest net spend of clubs whilst in top division.

I'm not even saying I think he is the best man for the job, but I don't think he's the worst.

All thought ill support him just because he's our new manager. but I have to agree 100% with kloot here, all the points he's brouht out. I have to agree wih every single one of them. I am a bit disappoiinted that we didn't go for a big name manager and oviusly a proven manager, there could be something happening behind the sce es that we dnt know about. I reckon even fergie couldve easily stayed for another few years but he probably knew that he wasnt going to get the players he desired hence why he took himself out of the limelight but this could all change. we could all be proven wrong by seeing what sort of money is available to moyes and the type of signings he makes. let's just hope its the right decision and its a decision which will benefit the club in terms of trophies and competitiveness not to help and fund the glazers pockets!.

singh

Nothing mate absolutely nothing, i'm as baffled as you but he must get support or he will have even less chance of success than he has now.

KLOOT, it's getting boring now. Your conspiracy theories just keep getting better. Here's why he is qualified - SAF thinks he is the right man for the job. I am sure you have deep insights as to why this is the case and will concoct a convoluted story to support your theory. However, whilst you were whining all season, we won the league. Just once, stop sucking on that lemon and try and be positive.

SAF & Av Glazer have confirmed that Moyes was SAF's choice. Joel & Av Glazer wanted Pep Guardiola originally.

Moyes isn't my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, but he is the manager now so we must give him our support. Unless you want to ruin us?

Sydney!

It took Sir Alex 4 years with his track record to win his first trophy, the club today is in far better shape.
Liverpool where the dominant team at that time and any change of manager at Anfield had very little effect mainly because the quality and know how was in place. The reasons for them being knocked off their perch was down to bad management and complacency, some how I don't for one minute believe Manchester United are going to accept mediocrity certainly Moyes in his two previous jobs punched above his weight.
But Mr. Kloot your probably the type that wish for a Harry Redknapp/mourinio who leave behind major problems. Give the man time with the quality he will have at his disposal he will come up smelling of roses.
Dylan

Kloot is spot on. We have been given Moyes and all I've heard so far is he's a hard worker and he promotes youth.
Hard work on its own is not enough to win trophies. You need skill, tactics, vision.
As for promoting youth, ask any Everton fan and they'll tell u that that is not the case at all. Rooney and Berkeley and who else has made it?
NoMidfield

Sydney love to know your top 3
Let me guess
Mourinio
Klopp
Kloot!
In which order
Dylan

Syd what do you think is more damaging to the club, supporters asking why one of the biggest clubs in the world have brought in a midtable battler who has never proven himself at the top level, or offering a midtable battler who has never proven himself at the top level a 6 year contract?

People are so concerned with flag waving that they are glossing over what is a baffling decision. Not only do we hire an unproven manager, but we give him a 6 year contract. This is Fergie's ego running wild and trying to extend his legacy rather than allow someone else to build their own. He's basically saying that Moyes's job is safe even if he isn't up to the task.

Just because Moyes has been hired does not mean that supporters should not be critical of a terrible decision.

Danny Pughnited

From what you've said I think Moyes needs a good number two

09 May 2013 20:14:45
It's a simple question, would Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Chelsea, Dortmund, PSG, Arsenal, Barcelona, AC Milan or Man City consider him for 1 second as their next manager.

I only envisaged he may get the Scotland job later in life, never in a million years the Manchester United job.

He's your man though so what do you do. Worse case SAF steps in if he's way out of his depth.

A gobsmacked Stoner

How many teenagers are holding down regular places in premier league teams the natural progression is through the loan system unless your an exception.
Rooney, Wilshire even Phil Jones struggles to hold a place down.
The pressure on managers is the obvious reason
Dylan

Dylan,

1) Pep
2) Klopp
3) Jose.

Danny, of course fans can be critical and we have until July 1st to be critical, but after that it's time to except the decision and support the manager. If not then it will not be Moyes failing the club, it will be the minority that are not supporting the manager.

Sydney!

Danny,

Unproven? He has been a manager for a Premier League club for 11 years. A league where the average length a manager lasts is around 1. 4 years.

He hasn't won anything but, with all respect, are Everton a club that should be challenging for the Title? In the last 11 years the FA Cup winners have been United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City, the only exception to this has been Portsmouth. League Cup winners outside the big 5 I have listed above have included Blackburn, Middlesborough, Birmingham and Swansea which should tell you what the clubs who don't have massive squads think of this tournemant because what have these winners ended up doing in the League?

Jurgen Klopp has been branded about on here but what had he achieved before Dortmund? But given the chance at a bigger club he has excelled.

Moyes has been consistent and will bring stability. He wasn't my choice, I'd of loved Mourinho, Solskjaer, Guardiola, Klopp, Blanc but this move is the correct one for Football reasons.

Stoner, would anyone have employed Pep Guardiola if he hadn't took over from Rijkaard? Or what about Vilanova? Conte? Klopp? Managers need a chance and maybe this is Moyes' chance to become something special.

If it doesn't work out there are other managers to consider.

Sydney!

Moyes wouldn't have been my first choice, but he was the clubs. My opinion on th eappointment is Moyes has done a good job at Everton on a limited budget and has made some shrewd signings. Managing Manchester United is a totally different proposition so whether Moyes proves himself capable at a massive club with different goals and aspirations or proves out of his depth, only time will tell. i'm not going to say he is cut from the same cloth just because he is Scottish, but he does appear to be very strong willed and decisive and have the respect of his players, aspects of his personality and of course being British that probabyl led to his appointment. I don't think Mourinho as great as he is fitted to the fabric of Utd though I disagree he is a short term manager as looking at the three clubs he has managed since Porto, he has lasted longer than most others. I personalyl would have loved to have seen Klopp. Watched a documentary on him and he has done a great job at Dortmund and his old club before getting gthem in the Bundesligia for the first time in there history and he really fits in to the bringing through youth policy, maybe too early and his wacky personality again maybe didn't fit. In all hoensty, what other viable choices were there out there? i'm not sure if Moyes will be great or fail as his experience has been at a different level with Everton and Preston (who Fergie wanted to take him from as an assistant many moons ago). But let's not forget Fergis as great as his previous CV was took a long trophies and was constantly slated by the fans in his early years, so let's at least give Moyes the opportunity to prove hismelf and see who he sells and signs in the summer for starters before these ludicrous posts of what a bad appointment he is
Invisible STuey

09 May 2013 21:11:00
Sydney,

Totally appreciate what you're saying it was just something I didn't see coming. There are a lot of things in place that will be of a huge help to him. You know Utd are no mugs and he could work wonders.

Stoner

Ports, he is completely unproven at this level. Yes he has managed a side that is not expected to win titles, and he has maintained a respectable league position but that is not enough to warrant a job at a top club, let alone a 6 year contract.

When Klopp took over Dortmund they had just finished 12th in the league. He built them up to league winners on a limited budget and against the odds. That is why people are touting him as a candidate, because he is a proven winner at the highest level. Moyes is a decent manager who works hard but would not have a sniff at any other top club. He wasn't good enough for Spurs last year but he's good enough for a 6 year contract for the league champions?

Danny Pughnited

Danny, Moyes hasn't won a trophy with Everton in his ten years. Arsene Wenger hasn't won anything for at least nine years.

Sydney!

Danny,

Name a manager that you class is proven at this level and there will be a con against them. There are pro's and cons against all managers.

You can only be proving at this level if you're given the opportunity, why can't we be the one to give him that opportunity?

Ultimately the 6 year contract is more of a statement by the club to say "we trust this man" but if he struggles he'll get sacked and he'll just get a slightly bigger payoff then if he was on a shorter contract! But he is going into a job where he can feel he has got the support of everyone at the club as they have shown confidence in him he can do his job with a little less pressure on him. Every Chelsea manager goes into that job unsure of their job safety, do people work well if they feel their job is unsafe?

You say he wouldn't get a sniff at any other top club but the way other top clubs recruit managers isn't really that successful is it in terms of creating stability and continued success. Maybe if Tottenham had appointed him they'd of achieved top 4 last year and this year with their resources and won a cup or two?

Sydney I wouldn't want Wenger at the club either and Wenger Is the better if the two

How long did it take SAF to finally realise that a 4-4-2 rarely works in Europe? Moyes knows the EPL and I imagine he could match SAF in the 'Europe' department in time. SAF needed time to adapt to the UCL. Moyes isn't my choice, but he's here now. We just need to suck it up and move on. If he fails then we can get the banners out ;)

Sydney!

Did Spurs not achieve top 4 last year?

09 May 2013 19:13:47
Welcome to the Best Sport Institution in the World, Manchester United, David Moyes!

I hope he can handle the pressure and give a chance to the young kids who deserve one.

I'm sad and proud
Sad to see SAF go and proud to be able to see the beginning of a new era.

09 May 2013 18:55:45
now that moyes is manager do you think he will go for wanayma as he should have connections with celtic

09 May 2013 18:39:45
Why is everyone getting carried away with how is Moyes going to attract big players.

Everyone wants to play for united because of Manchester united so let's get behind him

Our best 2 managers have been Scottish so here's 3 times a charm

And let's give fergie a celebration to remember

MU MUF MUFC OK

Third time lucky could be third the failure but I don't think it will

09 May 2013 18:35:07
I did have doubts bout moyes, and wanted mourinhio but after reading many sites and papers I now do hope we get moyes over mourinhio. Jose would destroy the atmosphere at our beloved club and his sly tactics would not be welcome. Where as moyes may not have won much but if we look at the job he has done at Everton it is remarkable. Not only has fertile knocked Liverpool of their pirch moyes has done the same.

He hasn't had the funds to spend and brings through the youngsters just like fergie. If moyes had had the financial backing at Everton he would have achieved a lot more. So I'm hoping that he will sign a contract and continue to build and maintain the legacy that has been built. Would like to see Fellaini follow moyes think he would be a great signing and one that fergie missed out on. And failing moyes the only other one I would like is Klopp Whois something very special in the making.

Agree with u on klopp. Rest of the post is rubbish. Sir and watch mourinho win the league for the next three years while we compete for fourth spot.
Moyes never plays the youngsters, so don't know where u got that info from?

09 May 2013 18:06:52
Im with kloot on this one!

I think fergie has been told they can't spend as much as he wants and he always said he would only manage if he had full support of the club!

i think gill quit for the same reason, he didn't want to tell fergie or be a glazer puppet and save spending money!

moyes is a good manager with small budgets, that's why fergie has picked him!

i will support my club and moyes to the moon and back but I do feel there is something being hidden from why fergie has really retired

So you think Fergie would quit as manager but stay upstairs because he couldn't have spend money on players? He was going to step down last year but after City won the title he didn't want to leave until he won the league.

09 May 2013 18:28:05
he's a septuagenarian with a pace maker and off for a hip operation in the summer. Look at your parents or grandparents and ask if they could work six day weeks starting at six in the morning and going on for twelve hours or longer. His retirement has been coming for at least three years. Many on here have been expecting it either last summer or this summer. Its sad he's going but hardly a massive shock. Nor any kind of conspiracy.

So it has nothing to do with saf being 71 with abit of poor health, would you work with his money and success with both age and health against you, as for gill hasn't he got a new job to start at uefa, a high up job at that which he can't combine with his united job, I believe it was known last season saf was to retire now hence the reason glaziers sactioned the purchase of a 29 year old striker, the way Ronaldo said he was so sad at the beginning of the season also the way mourinho acted towards saf and united in the aftermath of our cl exit!saf always said he wanted to leave the club in a healthy position, the debt is down, millions in new sponsorships and a promising young team, I think he stayed an extra year to make sure this new team won the league as it would have been a lot harder for them to do it under someone new, do you honestly believe after 26 and a half years the top brass would not back saf in the transfer market absolute bull. saf recommened moyes to kenwright all those years ago because even back then it was obvious to the smartest man in football this moyes had obvious talent, saf departure feels sudden because you nor I never knew anything about it, joeyored

09 May 2013 20:20:24
Typical united fan when mourinho was at Chelsea he's s*** this that and other now fergie retires and everyone wants mourinho at united haha he's always said if he comes back to premier league its to manage Chelsea

To noname if we wanted Mourinho he wouldn't even think twice about it!
LP

09 May 2013 17:41:14
I still can't believe saf has stepped down, i'm devastated. Everytime I think about it I feel lost and emotional, he wasn't just a great manager he was a great man aswell. David Moyes it is, I trust saf faith in him but i'm sure I can remember when he was to retire last time sven goran Eriksson was sounded out, where is that plonker now?I hope Moyes is strong enough to take over the reigns, he did a great job at everton rebuilt teams while staying consistant. I know everton have drawn a lot this season but they have only lost 6 games this season. With better players and bigger transfer budgets i'm hoping he can express himself and play better football than he did at everton. guardiola had no European managerial experience before he took over at Barcelona, I just hope moyes has the drive and aggression to succeed, instead of being daunted. I wish him the very best and full support, and Sir Alex thankyou so much, the word legend doesn't do you justice, joeyored

09 May 2013 17:11:36
Eds, Do you think now the change of manager has taken place, The comments made by Ed Woodward last week saying that there will tweeking rather than an overhaul this summer will have changed now that Moyes has come in and the whole Rooney saga?

Thanks, TomP {Ed002's Note - I would not pay too much attention to these statements.}

09 May 2013 17:22:08
Just a point on Moyes some people think he over achived at Everton but Everton's Average position under Moyes was 8th and Everton rank 8th in the PL money table (average transfer spend) Not to mention Arteta took a pay cut to join Arsenal so all the Moyes over achived at Everton is incorrect it was pretty balanced.

FRED THE RED

Made this point yesterday and got slated. But now he is our manager what's the point in bringing it up? let's get behind him.

AdamDean

Everton has a negative transfer spending overall, only arsenal has arsenal has performed better than them,
dont spread lies

nikz

09 May 2013 17:11:07
Adnan Januzaj, will he be able to play in the first team now since Moyes is our manager. I'm curious about what our youth will changed or not.

09 May 2013 16:49:18
Spurs fan in peace. Well Moyes it is then. Hard to predict how it's going to pan out though. Was just curious, how much leeway do you think he's got? If Citeh spent another shedload of cash this summer and won the title next season by 3-4 points would that be Moyes out? Looking in from the outside can't help feeling it could be. Personally I like Moyes, apparently he was well up for the job at our place last season but Levy went with AVB, am not always sure that was right decision. As for those of you who fancied Klopp, we also looked at him last summer due to his great CV but he speaks barely a word of English so after the Ramos experience Levy decided against him and I think him taking over at OT under those circumstances would have been way too risky, how would he have won over a dressing room still loyal to SAF? Anyway, am hoping next season you get back to what you were put on Gods earth to do, beating Chelsea and Arsenal. And cheers for the 4 points this season, makes a nice change!

If we lose the title by 3-4 points next year, Moyes will most certainly not be out! Are you high?

Funny how he learnt to speak English so well in the past one year? isn't it?

Another spurs fan here, I think its a good choice! Fergie has obviously championed moyes by forwarding his name as his successor! Now of all the managers fergie has pitted witts with then moyes must have something? i'm sure that even if united finnish 5th his job will be safe?

09 May 2013 16:43:13
Would like to wish David Moyes a big welcome, I've thought about it for a while and I must say I believe with a bit of money and larger squad depth he will be a fantastic manager! let's hope we can have a glorious 6 years with the man and hopefully more! Ps guys if he gets stuck, SAF is only down to corridor;)
-Tommy!

09 May 2013 16:39:57
Welcome david moyes

09 May 2013 16:38:35
i suppose the only possitive I can take from SAF leaving is that we may finally see a german in a united shirt as we never go for them and it possibly couldn't come at a better time with the current crop of talant they are producing over there

09 May 2013 16:36:54
am I the only person on here whom doesn't want baines and would prefer to give fabio and buttner a shot at it first?

No need for baines. We suffer in the midfield as it is and needs to be addressed.

09 May 2013 16:34:58
Hello lads
So aftet all my mourinho wish posts its moyes here. And I have said lot and lot many times in my earlier posts when discussing new manager, people can see my opinion on moyes about how good he is.
So I wish him good luck and I expect the same exciting football. and sucess.

Rodio17

09 May 2013 16:30:20
right i'm starting to reolise that its going to be moyes coming in now and although i'm still not certain he's best choice i'm still gunna give him my full backing.

what will sway it for me is his transfers he brings in. I have already stated I don't want to see anyone apart from maybe barkley come from everton but then i'm hoping that the players he brings in will be top quality players whom some of us may not have fort he'd go for. I want him to shock me in a good way. i'm hoping for a rock in midfield, someone exciting to play on the wings whos gunna make me rewind my tele to watch there fancy tricks over and over aswell as clearing out some of the major driftwood whom don't deserve a united pay check any more.

next year I want to see a team bursting with top quality, exciting, passionate players whom would give every thing for the club and are hungry to concur Europe and prove to the world that we are the team people need to come try beat, not the germans!

i may be getting slightly ahead of myself but within the next few years I want to see another treble at united aswell as us replicating what arsenal did and becoming the invincables

UNITED4LIFE
LONG LIVE FERGIE
IN MOYES WE TRUST

09 May 2013 16:11:02
Welcome to the mighty M. U. F. C David Moyes!
Now let's get our transfer business done early
and put our marker down early for the
upcoming season!
LP

09 May 2013 16:05:37
Its official.

6 year deal for Moyes starting July 1st. let's welcome Moyes warmly! Many years of success to come I believe.

09 May 2013 16:05:15
United have just confirmed it so can we now get on with supporting him and looking forward to the future. He will do a good job I am sure of it and SAF will be there if he is ever in need of some advice.

Brendan81

09 May 2013 16:04:51
Man United
Ins-
Baines
Ronaldo
Others?

Outs-
Nani
Anderson
Lindagaard
More?

09 May 2013 15:59:14
Alright. well DM seems to be our manager so let's get behind him. SAF will still help out including the transfer market. I think DM will tackle our midfield. I'm sure he'll go for Strootman. Rooney's future seems dim so I'm not sure what happens next.

09 May 2013 16:27:07
Tuere we have it, David Moyes on a 6 year contract. I'm still unsure over him, and I hope it all goes well for him in the job, and mostly as us fans hope it goes.

Lets get behind the man, and back him all the way. Now to look forward to the summer, and hopefully some good new signings to be made.

So, i'll start off. Who do we think will be brought in, in the summer?

Zaha, Baines, Begovic, Zouma, Rodriguez, Strootman.

09 May 2013 16:22:19
David moyes is our new manger its official on utd website

Sid

09 May 2013 16:17:11
Now the shocks subsiding of both Fergie leaving and Moyes taking over, I can see the positives of the magic watch passing on to the scott.

The biggest one has to be the youth players will get a huge boost as Moyes has always brought through young players (Rooney, Rodwell etc. ) I'm hoping we'll see a lot more of the likes of Powell and Januzaj.

Signings. One thing Moyes will definately sort is United's need for a strong combative midfielder, personally i'm hoping it's not Fellaini but there's no doubt he'll be wanting to bring someone in to toughen up our midfield AND we have a higher likely hood of signing Baines, which is two areas sorted that we've all been crying out for for years.

One that not a lot of people have picked up on is his personality. The first aspect being loyalty, you don't stay at a club for 11 years without it, and he must of had offers from other clubs for his services, the guys basically a miracle worker. Then there's his work rate which he's renowned for but most importantly like SAF he will not suffer fools, look at his face, he is a scary mother fluffer.

And finally Fergie thinks he's the right man for the job and there is no-one on here, ed, chairman or even another Manager who has more expertise to make such a decision. Even if you don't think Moyes is right for the club in your own personal opinion trust that Fergie knows what he's doing. He hasn't led us wrong before.

09 May 2013 16:14:30
Its moyes

Club just confirmed ( prob won't get posted though last 2 weren't)

Roonbest

09 May 2013 16:11:40
Welcome David Moyes. Have no doubt you will get the best support possible.

09 May 2013 15:48:45
So the new boss is as good as in place. Welcome! The next job is to sort Rooney out and then get the board to finalise terms for Ronaldo! Also think Baines is odds on to join now and then one of Gundogan/Strootman/Moutinho. If Rooney stays then no Lewandowski, but if Rooney goes then we will get Lewandowski I would think.

One word UNDERWHELMING. Why also give him 6 years. Not happy but will still support him
Utd for life
Blackpool Red

09 May 2013 14:48:37
on tv, Moyes to leave Everton at the end of the season to join United. Ed, just wondering with the appointment of Moyes and a lot of fans unsure do you think we will see a big name signing to sweeten them with Ronaldo or Bale also news coming out that Rooney wants to leave maybe Falcao (if Rooney does leave)? Please give opinions, thanks. {Ed002's Note - I really have nothing to say on such matters - sweetening the fans is not something I would hold your breath over.}

09 May 2013 15:16:18
Really strange time. My head believes that Moyes is a solid appointment. We could do worse maybe, but then why would we?

My heart, already broken at losing SAF, does not skip a beat at the mention of David Moyes. Harsh I know. but somethings cannot be controlled.

I hope and prey I am wrong. At the end of the day its success on the pitch that matters, not personalities in the dugout - that said I just can't get as excited as if a Pop, Jose, De Boer or Klopp was coming in.

I hope that we get an exciting number two in place, as that role for me is just as important. Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs or Ole would be perfect.

Phil Neville. mmm. not sure I would like an "ex-Everton 1-2" steering the ship.

09 May 2013 15:32:15
Alright lads it seems like David Moyes is our new manager has been confirmed accidentally by United's Official page, I've checked it myself but it has been taken down just few mins ago. This was posted on one of the fan pages I follow.

Personally I don't know if I'm happy but no matter what it's time to support our new manager and give him the time he deserves to prove himself.

09 May 2013 15:26:57
Following the best of all-time won't be easy, but I'm sure the Club have made the right choice. Welcome to Manchester United, David Moyes. Let's get fully behind the man.

GRD

09 May 2013 14:54:11
I wasn't keen on Moyes becoming United manager but the more I think about it the more I like it. Hard working, honest and professional. All United qualities. But also his teams are always very organised and hard to beat (something we havnt always been this season). He seems to do well in the transfer market working with a small budget and I think he will recognise our need for a strong CM player. It's a great time to get rid of dead wood including Rooney and hopefully we'll see some exciting additions come in. Thanks for everything SAF you are a Legend! Now it's time to get behind Moyes and look forward to some fresh ideas.

Boyley

United working on a small budget! These are not words we want to hear, but alas, you are right, we've become a small mentality club.

09 May 2013 14:44:19
i want moyes I don't want mourinho or any foreign managers. I like the fact he's got not much european experience it won't make him play too defensive and certain formations. moyes knows the premier league I also like how well he does with younger players. mourinho likes old players we would probably have evra for ages and not promote many youth players under him. and its just been announced and i'm glad he's got it good luck to moyes

On a side note.

Over his 11 years at Everton Moyes net spend was 16M. over the same period the PL champs.

Man u 147m
Man C 424m
Chelski 526m
Arsenal -11m

Everton fan here, be careful what you wish for. Moyes has been a great steadying influence for us however he has always been seen by most of us as too defensive and not giving youth a chance (apart obviously from Rooney). I was extremely surprised to hear he had been offered the job and to be honest anybody taking the reigns at the moment is going to be working in the shadow of the most successful manager ever so I was more surprised he took it. Anyway good luck (especially at Anfield)

Propeye

Propeye maybe your youth just weren't very good eh?

Brendan81

09 May 2013 14:39:52
I was initially against moyes but mow seemed to relax towards him.

It could well be a really appointment, it is a low key manager may not be proven but jus need everyone to back him and give him few years to see what happens. The only thing we need is a big signing especially if rooney does leave. I think ronaldo would be perfect and will take a lot of pressuree of united and the new manager. So guys leave the negativity get behind who ever is appointed and give ourfull support.

Singh

09 May 2013 14:27:58
Apparently after Ronaldo scored his 200th goal for Real Madrid last night he celebrated by hitting his chest and shouting in spanish "I'm staying here!".

So what is with all this David Gill in spain to talk to Mr. Mendes? Hmm

Ozwald

Well Sir Alex Ferguson stated in his programme notes on Sunday that he had no plans to walk away but we know how that went.

GRD

I don't think that means anything to be honest.

09 May 2013 14:14:01
Without offending GDS or honeybadger. I posted yesterday that Moyes is a decent man and a very good manager, but in my humble opinion, he has not got the top club and European experience required off the future united manager. Nothing against the man, he's just not qualified.
Only question I need to ask is this, if the choice was between Moyes or mourinho, would we say Moyes? All the united fans I know, and there are over a hundred, would all go for mourinho. I'm not saying mourinho will be the ideal candidate, but he is certainly more qualified than Moyes. This is not pessimism, it is just a fact I'm afraid.
But whoever we get, I'm sure the fans will get behind him and let's see what happens.
Nomidfield

'The winge' (sorry I mean Nomidfield ;)

I actually agree, I would have picked Mourinho over Moyes but then it's not my decision. Having thought more about it though I really don't think Mourinho is the man for us - in terms of ego, longevity and youth development. Based on that I would have said Guardiola or Klopp however they were probably not realistic (especially Pep now he's signed for BM).

BUT - Moyes has been picked to manage the club I support, so support him I will!

It's funny you keep mentioning me and GDS 's comments yet you seemed to have changed your tact from your intital rectionary posts? (which were the petulant ones BTW) So perhaps you too felt they sounded a tad dramatic after reading them back?

HBadger

09 May 2013 15:02:39
To start with I would have said Mourinho. But the more I think about it the more I start to realise that Moyes may be the better option.

Sir Alex has taken this club from midtable sleeping giant to biggest club in England maybe the world.

If your choice was change everything or continue as we have done under Sir Alex which would you choose?

Yes a change can be good but its a gamble, there are no garrentees that a change in the way we run the club will bring more success.

IMO Mourinho would bring success to our club, but he would destroy everything Sir Alex has built doing so.

So would you rather have 2/3 years of domestic and european success then 10+ barren years. Or would you rather have 10+ years of domestic success and moderate success in europe?

What is more important short term success or long success?

Moyes will bring the stability and ability to maintain the current success.

Mourinho will negelect the youth, not build for the future, and leave the club in a mess.

I am going to agree with everything Gav said as I don't really feel I have much to add.

09 May 2013 13:52:59
Let Rooney go? 2 Transfer requests in only a few years, Gareth Bale to be Uniteds new number 10?

09 May 2013 13:44:35
Mourinho for a few years, Moyes to Schalke to broaden his horizons and get used to European football then United further down the line would be ideal for me.

GRD

09 May 2013 13:25:29
Now Rooney looks like he's really leaving it seems the Lewandowski rumours make more sense. With RVP, Lewandowski, Hernandez and Welbeck we would have 4 brilliant strikers, fingers crossed!

Convert welbeck to a winger and we will be sorted, 3 quality strikers then when RVP starts to come into decline Keane, Henriquez and Wilson should be about ready to start challenging for spaces

09 May 2013 13:01:10
Moyes appears to be a done deal. working on that presumption who do you think he will bring in as No2 or will he retain Big Mike. I can't see him bringing his staff from Everton but that's just my gut feeling.

IrishRed

I would hope Mike is gone. I want to keep Rene, but I would not be surprised to see Phil Neville join him.

Gar

I want to see Rene Meulensteen our first team coach promoted to assistant manager. All the layers say he is a outstanding trainer and tactically immense so hopefully he will get a crack at it.

Phil Neville
Jred

I think Jred is correct here. I think Rene will stay as first team coach and Neville could replace Mike Phelan who was going to leave last summer. As long as Nev is happy to retire from playing.

Sydney!

09 May 2013 12:44:34
Why are we getting Moyes? I firmly believe that the CL is the pinnacle of club football. Why then are we getting a manager without european experience? It really doesn't make sense to me. It will probably take him at least 3 seasons to properly understand the difference between PL and CL mentality, tactics, form, etc, etc. Does he understand squad rotation when playing every weekday and weekend?
I think we should have got a manager who understands and has experience of all these things. Why are we going backwards?
People have said that Moyes is built in the mode of SAF and they are replacing like for like. This is impossible and a ridiculous way to pick a manager.
I really hope I'm wrong and if he is confirmed as manager I will give him my full backing and support until such time as he proves otherwise.

J Bones.

J Bones

Lets just say Fergie knows more than you do, if he has hand picked Moyes then he must feel that he is capable of doing the job.
Stop being so negative, he hasn't even got the job and your moaning already. Remember back in 1986 (if your old enough) Fergie wasn't exactly a big name all though he had a good pedagree as an up and coming manager.
Just wait and see what happens and give him our support if it is him that has the job?

Simmo

Simmo - I swear positivity is not your normal approach. Can I just say it is nice to see someone with an open mind who is not hoping Moyes will slip up just to boast before he has even had a game in charge.

I am pretty sure Fergie will be advising Moyes throughout the season with squad rotation and all. We won't be just throwing him into the deepend hoping he does well.

-JakeW

09 May 2013 12:17:49
Hi I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on what would happen to the backroom staff, do u think Moyes would be allowed to bring his own team in or would it be a case of if it's not broke don't fix it? Personally I can't see Fergie allowing the likes of Mike Phelan and meulensteen be pushed aside.

B-sut20 RED

09 May 2013 12:04:49
Im quite happy about Moyes being the next manager and can see what the club are thinking with his appointment BUT imo Rene should be appointed his No2
and either G Nev or OGS should be appointed to the coaching staff as well, my main concern is Moyes brings his coaching staff with him! hopefully they will stay at Everton and help the new manager esp if they choose to
go with some1 like P Nev!
LP

09 May 2013 11:09:43
And still not a single qoute from Mourinho who I would have thought would have been one of the first to get in the headlines with comments about SAF.
A little strange.

Supasub

Something I've thought about myself today. Would have thought that the Spanish press would have pestered Mourinho for a comment, etc. But as you say Supasub, nothing as yet?

Reports that apparently Moyes hasn't even met/talked to United officials as of yet. Gill over in Madrid talking to Mendes (press believe it's Ronaldo orientated talks, but I think it's more Mourinho based). It smells to me like United are just simply establishing what the Mourinho situation is prior to commiting to Moyes, and officially announcing him.


WF Red Devil

I think moyes is a done deal to be honest but you have to wonder at such an important time why's gill over in spain.
Jred

Is Mendes also Falcaos agent?
Dylan

Sounds like wishful thinking unfortunately although I'm shocked mouriniho hasn't had his 2 pence worth yet, especially since Real had a match last night what was said in the post match interview?

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

Yes falcaos, Ronaldo's and mourinhos agent and maybe still agent of Anderson and nani.

Supasub

09 May 2013 10:40:55
In my opinion it was never going to be Mourinho, he has a 20 million euro buy out clause at Madrid and still has two years left to run on his contract. The Glazers would never sanction that kind of money for a manager, plus I think Fergie has hand picked Moyes for the job.
It probably suits the Glazers down to the ground not having to fork out any money out due to Moyes contract being up.
I am quite optimistic about the appointment, I think he will do a good job, everything is in place for him and let's not forget he's joining a premiership winning side.
All the players will be at the club next year apart from maybe Rooney who appears to want to leave AGAIN. If Rooney is to go then we need a marquee signing to replace him, someboady like Bale or Ronaldo. Add a central midfielder to the team maybe Strootman and try and get Leighton Baines on the cheap and I think we will be in great shape for next season.
Let's not forget, Fergie is upstairs and Moyes can always ask him for advice on any footballing matters including players that he want's to bring in.
Really said to see Fergie go, he has been a true great and made Manchester United what they are today but let's get behind Moyes if he's the chosen one for the hotseat at Old Trafford.

Simmo

Simmo - Fergie has hand picked Moyes and will watch over him for a few years and will have an input on transfers Fergie will not allow transfer moves for second rate players and it will still be our scouts. I am actually quite happy its Moyes even though some will say he is the cheap option from the Glazers but how many owners would sanction a £10million move for Mourinho. Regarding Rooney I would sell him now and try to sign one of Bale, Ronaldo or Falcao then play Kagawa in the number 10 role with maybe Baines, Strootman and Rodriguez coming in. {Ed002's Note - Mourinho was never an option.}

So basically you have just said exactly what I have said in my post, thanks!

Simmo

And you think bale, Ronaldo and falcao will want to play for a manager whom has won nothing? Yeah I can see that happening!?
Rooney will go and I will not be surprised to see filaini and/or baines coming in.
We will be a hard working side, Moyes will ensure that, but a side with flair? Don't think so.

Ed002 - I wast just using Mourinho as an example and I would not want him here as I believe he would end up leaving after 3 years anyway.

09 May 2013 10:31:39
Continual emphasis in papers today that Moyes will come in and focus on youth development.

Does that give under 21s better chance now? Dhaeli, junajaz, vermijl (!) Powell, CB on loan at Leicester, even petrucci, plus best youth from Everton: Ross Barklay, Kieran Dowell and Ryan Ledson? Bring in German (gundagon) and Spanish (alcantra) youngsters also?

Not fergie's fledglings but Moyles' Minors!

Wallace

Tell me why Moyes is good with youth? How many quality young players have come up through the Everton ranks? This is another myth emerging about Moyes. If we wanted a guy to work with youth we should be looking at Klopp.

Key fact, only Everton player under the age of 25 to feature as a regular first team player this year was Coleman.

Danny Pughnited

Danny - Perhaps the fact that most youth gets poached by the top 4 has something to do with it and that we are in the most physically demanding league in the world. Off the top of my head Rooney, Barkley, Rodwell, Coleman, Anichebe, Vaughan, Osman and then don't forget he has developed players like Baines, Jagielka, Lescott, Pienaar and Fellaini.

Thats BS danny

nikz

So you would describe the likes of Rodwell, Coleman, Anichebe, and Vaughan as quality players?

Barkley is too young to judge, I will admit I have a soft spot for Osman, and Rooney claims he had to leave because he felt Moyes was holding him back. He doesn't have a great track record with youth, and he has not dramatically improved any of the players you mentioned. For instance, he has tried to turn Felliani into Duncan Ferguson.

People are acting like Moyes will put his faith in youth, but despite his thin squad at Everton, the vast majority of the core of his squad are in their late 20s. He has no proven track record in developing youth players, and the list you provided is pathetic for an 11 year tenure.

Danny Pughnited

Is it Nikz?

Please present evidence that shows how Moyes in his 11 years at Everton has proven his ability to develop youth players.

Has one other young player aside from Coleman featured heavily for Everton this year?

What are you actually disputing?

Danny Pughnited

The only youth developed by moyes to get regular game time were rodwell anichebe and lately barkley. can't believe someone mentioned osman he's 31 years old lol. coleman didn't come through the everton system he was bought in the last few years from league of ireland
johndenton

09 May 2013 09:54:49
Be assured - there is no way Moyes will allow Rooney to stay at Old Trafford.

I don't think Rooney leaving has anything to do with Moyes, I have fully expected this to happen for the last 6 months.

GDS - I always had a gut feeling this was Rooney's last year he just doesn't look to care as much any more. Who would you like to see come in for him? I would like Kagawa to get the number 10 role behind Persie and one of Bale or Ronaldo signed for the left.

I would struggle to argue with that assessment, my main issue with Fergie over the last year is that he signed Kagawa and then had no idea what to do with him.

With no Rooney I think Kagawa would flourish, he could play very easily behind RVP in a 4-4-1 and also in a 4-1-3-2 in any of the 3 positions and even the 1 in a 4-3-1-2 behind Hernandez (making his runs) and van Persie (linking up).

We would then also need a player such as Ronaldo or Bale. Unfortunately I feel it very unlikely we will get either, so it may have to be Rodriguez.

As many have said Rodriguez, Strootman and Baines in with Rooney, Anderson and Nani leaving would work for me.

I have missed out Lewandowski there but I still feel there is a chance he may come as well.

In other works, in my opinion nothing will change in regards to ins and outs, as these are the players I wanted anyway, and is the reason we have gone with (supposedly) Moyes instead of Mourinho.

GDS, I think he was always on the way out, fergie dropped him in the biggest game of the season against Real.
Though he is a superb player, the club will move on without him.
But if he goes, then hopefully we can replace him with someone who is better.
Nomidfield

09 May 2013 09:18:35
Kloot, redman etc

I was 5/6 when fergie took over so don't remember much of the surrounding attention it got. just interested in what your honest opinions on him at the time where. not trying to stir the s*** or anything. just trying to get my head around what's going on and would be thinking along the same lines as you with regards the last day or so.
Cheers.

Rk16

RK16

I think to put in context the previous managers after Sir Matt didn't have the necessary qualities to be the complete package. I actually had a long discussion with Wilf McGuiness and lovely man but didn't have the charisma or drive to be such a high profile manager. Tommy Doc was effervescent and you loved his personally and his team was exciting we will never know whether he could have won more. Sexton was dull studious and I was not enamoured at all when he arrived. Big Ron had potential but you felt he was too carefree and lacked the experience to get us over the line. There were a lot of drinking stories and I know some were true because of a pub I frequented back then so discipline was an issue.
So to SAF, I remember the day and we had hope that we had found a winner. His record was impressive taking a provincial city club and knocking the old firm off their perch, winning leagues, cups and in Europe as well. I was delighted to see him arrive and I knew he had to sort the drink culture out. He was a winner and we knew that on the day he was appointed.
The way I feel today is more like the Dave Sexton situation, Moyes a good man but not Manchester United quality. He hasn't pulled up trees and even Swansea's manager has been more successful
The day SAF was appointed was a good one but today I am frankly thoroughly disappointed at the lack of ambition in the club

Red Man

Did you consider renewing your season ticket when Sexton came in as well?

Glad you hung in there anyway. Must have been a tough decision for you.

Your love for the club obviously took precedence over your 'feelings' for one particular manager.

Well done.

Cheers mate.
Like I say, i'm just interested in how people felt before when we changed managers. I remember my old man and uncle being excited about fergie taking charge at the time too.
Everyone will have an opinion. i'm still not sure personally. whoever it may be will have a hard act to follow. let's just hope that the right choice is made for the clubs sake and no one elses.
By the way, spot on with the prediction last year kloot. took some s*** for it but good call mate.

Rk16

Red man, I remember all these managers myself as we watched the dominant Liverpool teams come and go while we recruited managers who were not suitable. Luckily, we got the right man in the end, and what a man he proved to be. A winner before he came (he had already won 10 Trophies) and he carried on his great work at united. We all owe him a debt of gratitude.
On Moyes, he is a super man, a bit like Dave sexton, talented coach, but totally out of his depth at united.
I think the manager's job at a club is the most important one, so it is surprising to hear people saying the Glazers will not sanction £10m for mourinho. He would guarantee trophies, and attract the big players, isn't that what we want at united? Or do we just want a thoroughly decent man as manager who has won nothing in his previous job?
Nomidfield

StevieK

I stood on the Stretford Paddock and End through the Sexton era often bored and think I may even have had a league match ticket to stand but can't remember exact timings.

Your sarcasm is noted

Red Man

09 May 2013 08:44:08
David Moyes will be announced as the new Manchester United manager at around midday today.
I couldn't be happier!
An excellent coach, a man very much in the mold of Fergusson, likes to promote youth, astute with his signings, very rarely makes a bad signing, excellent man management skills, all his players want to play for him and all this done on a shoe string budget.
Yes he hasn't won a trophy in 10yrs but let's not forget, Arsene Wenger hasn't won a trophy in 8!
We need to get behind him NOW!
Let's not make his job any harder than it's already going to be.
I believe he will bring Baines and possibly Fellaini with him and I believe Baines is a better lb than Evra and Fellaini is the type of midfielder that we've been missing, he may not be the same quality as Strootman or Marchisio but he is certainly better than we have in that department i. e Anderson, Cleverly and (a sadly missed) fit Fletcher.

Moyes first summer:

outs:
Nani
Anderson
Scholes ret
Fletcher ret
Ferdinand ret
Rooney

ins:
Baines
Fellaini
Lewandowski


and on a side note a quick question, if the Rooney to Chelsea rumours are true would anyone take 30m+ Lukaku?

I would take £3m plus Lukaku.

30 mill plus torres if not leta get 50 mill of them!

Your not getting lukaku. The special one loves a big powerful forward!

When has moyes ever promoted youth? rodwell who played very little and was always injured and ross barkley who has hardly played and been on loan most of the season. if he's appointed I will get behind the team as normal, but i'm not aware of any significant homegrown players getting a chance at everton other than the 2 mentioned.
johndenton

My question wasnt as far fetched as I thought then?

JESSOP1982

Funny that a lot of fans say Moyes likes to promote youth. My friend who is an Everton fan, can't wait to get rid of Moyes, and has always said that he does not promote youth. Rooney was a special talent so he had to be included. But the rest?
Nomidfield

09 May 2013 08:35:23
Guys all the people saying the next manager could still be mourinho, klopp etc u need to realise its definitely going to be moyes, even his daughter has tweeted it

Big Mac

09 May 2013 10:10:34
you mean the fake account pretending to be his daughter.

It's going to happen whether its fake or not

Big Mac

09 May 2013 08:21:43
Just a thought, rumours of Gill flying out to Spain for talks with Mendes (Mourinho's agent). Do we feel this may be influenced by Rooney asking to leave? Maybe he is unwillinging to play under Moyes and United want to keep him enough they plan to talk with Mourinho?

Far and away with the fairies I know but the thought just crossed my mind.

DGC.

At this moment in time I would rather have David moyes as our manager than Rooney playing for us. He clearly doesn't want to be at the greatest club in the world and is not indispensable anymore.

We would need to replace him and then I would not be bothered in the slightest if he left.

Having a laugh, The club is what this is about and no player will ever force management change and who we pick. There is no player big enough or stupid enough to even think that unless you are the the Circus called Real Madrid.

Shahram

Friend, you have missed the point here, Moyes has insisted that Rooney leave.

So all our plans on replacining the boss go out of the window to please Rooney then? sell him to chelsea for 50 mill I say!
LP

09 May 2013 07:57:26
Several people have been crying out for a DM at Old Trafford, now it looks like we will get one. But not the Defensive Midfielder we were hoping for but David Moyes instead.

It's CDM,


Christ David Moyes!

Haha

He seems to keep very fit, so maybe the deal involves a few cameo appearances too :)

Shahram

09 May 2013 07:45:58
Let Rooney go, I'm not up for another saga involving the player.

He can't want more money, not sure Moyes is that much of a problem, he's just not happy and we need to move on.

Considering he's only 50 short of Sir Bobbys scoring record, I can't understand his thought process.

But I don't think the player thinks like that and there is no respect for United, so 25mil of you trot Wayne

Foolish. As for respect for United, he's been carrying our team for years, playing selflessly out of position and working his ass off. Can't believe there are actual United supporters who think we'd be better off selling Rooney.

3 years ago I would have agreed with you, back then he had a bargaining position, threatened to leave and got £250k a week for his troubles.

He has not earned that money IMO since, SAF obviously wasn't happy with him this season for whatever reason.

Simply the club has moved on without him, RVP leading the line and i'm sticking my neck out here Kagawa will have the quality to sit behind him.

Just think this time round if Rooney wants to go, let him go, especially with a new manager, can't have him there not happy

09 May 2013 07:23:42
Rooney saying he wants to leave I say let him leave and we should buy a top class mid and a top class cam. Also buy falcao or lewendoski. Douglas costa, wanyama and falcao or lewandowski. Also a young up and coming defender.

09 May 2013 07:07:27
1st time poster here, I think people are forgetting Moyes and Rooneys public spat and court battle so if he is to be our new manager then its fair to say goodbye to Rooney


Mark

Surely there is enough water under the bridge by now. They are meant to be professional. I think Rooney was going anyway if you had watched his performances this season.

The Irish Rover

Irish, this summer was always going to define the rest of Rooney's career one way or another. This season SAF has done his best to show Rooney he is no longer essential to the team. The club will now want the most they can get for him. I think £30m would be top end personally.

Sydney!

09 May 2013 06:37:32
Hey all, I'm a Liverpool fan through and through but also I'm a football fan, I do feel sad fergie is leaving as I grew up only knowing him as mr man united, it will be so strange seeing someone else in the dug out, I never liked him as he broke my heart many times but as a manager and the way he played mind games he was a genious, in a way I'm lucky to see this era of football, I've seen probably the greatest manager in fergie the best player of all time in messi, we might never see this caliber of player or manager in our life time again, some times the banter between lfc and Man Utd can be taking to far but at the minute I'm holding a white flag, I just wanted to come on your site and show some respect the sir Alex ferguson.

Cheers

Des

Its good to hear fans of other teams admitting how good SAF was. I'm sure he has annoyed every other clubs supporters in his time at united but no one can doubt that he is the best of all time. He will be missed by everyone not just united.

Brendan81

09 May 2013 05:45:29
Many people here seem to be way too negative on the matter of appointment of Moyes as manager. Those of who do not want Moyes as manager, whom do you prefer? Klopp will be the ideal candidate for them, but do you know this guy managed Mainz, won nothing and even got relegated? Then he went to a dortmund team in Shambles and led them to glory. Give Moyes a chance, he might prove worthy of the post.
Raa'salghul

09 May 2013 02:32:14
I was reading that Fergie was set to retire last year but with City snatching the title he didn't want to leave like that. He wanted to go out on top as he deserved to. That's why he bought RVP, who lots of people questioned because of age and fee. It feels like I have been punched in the stomach but I can't wait to see the next game when we get the trophy and see him smiling for the last time at OT. Where have the years gone

09 May 2013 00:58:34
Everton fan here, you guys don't know it yet but Moyes will do a great job with Utd I always wondered what the man could do if he had proper funds behind him. I am sad to see him go but we will move on that is the way it goes but I tell you this Moyes will be manager of your club for many years to come, just give him a fair crack at it. New beginning for Utd, and also Everton which I have to say I am looking forward to. Stef the blue

Thanks steph, hopefully Everton can move on too and have success.
My worry about Moyes is the way he plays the game, we don't need fillaini stood just behind the striker while 50 yard balls are being pumped up to him.
I have to say that Moyes will definitely motivate the squad and hopefully get rid of Anderson, nani, young, macheda, lindegaard, etc.
But my biggest worry is Moyes and his record in the big games, it is shocking. You even got outplayed by Wigan at goodison in the fa cup earlier this year. At united, every game is a cup final as the teams are trying so hard to beat you. You know that as an Everton fan, you are always up for it when we come to goodison.
How will Moyes cope? We're about to find out.
Nomidfield

The best thing about this post? If you went onto the Everton banter page a while back they were screaming for Moyes head. Even the editor wanted him gone. Now he is good enough to manage Utd? One thing is for sure, Everton will surely struggle without him but will Moyes be overawed by the Utd job? Some managers work better without big money and are happy buying in the bargain basement. Will he buy the right players for Utd? Be able to handle the stars? That is a really hard question. Of course i'm hoping he screws up! ;-)

The Irish Rover

09 May 2013 00:36:03
Jupp Hynkes or Antonio Conte for me if Jose goes Chelski.
David Moyes is an ok manager & done ok at Everton, but won nothing. No FA Cup, Not even a Carling Cup & has No European experience. Not good enough for The best club in the world. We need a WINNER!
Yes stability & longevity is important but in this era it's very unlikely, whoever comes in. Sir Alex is a one off legend, there will never be another. If its Moyes I'd be gutted. Surely our great club needs a top manager with top players coming in, would we get that with David Moyes? I think not, in fact I see the top players we already have, leaving, hence Rooney rumours already. Ronaldo not coming back as seen in his celebration tonight, he'd of only come back if Fergie stayed on anyway, so don't believe the papers tomorrow. Thank you SAF. MAD DOG.

Careful mad dog, you will be accused of being pessimistic and you will be told that Moyes will be a legend.
As it happens, I agree with you and I am not afraid to say it. I, like you and most united fans, want the best for our club. This normally starts at the top, the manager.
If the manager has not won anything of note apart from one trophy at Preston, then how can he be the best around? Before anyone comes on here saying that Everton have no money etc, allow me to give you Birmingham and Swansea, both smaller clubs with smaller budgets and both have managed to win the Carling cup.
Moyes will be appointed, because he is a safe option and would not ruffle any feathers. The owners know that no matter what happens, united fans will always turn up in their thousands. So why have the hastle of mourinho, the imagination and experiment of klopp? No, better to have Moyes, who can speak English and wil make the team work hard. But that is as far as its going to get.
Pessimistic? Maybe, but I'm not blindly optimistic that this man whom has never won anything in his life, is suddenly going to become a serial trophy winner!
Nomidfield

Nomidfield

Haha still whining I see - your posts yesterday sounded like they'd been written by a 12 year old girl, nothing to do with Moyes being a ledgend. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I too am against Moyes being our manager, but your initial posts on the matter yesterday were lame, sorry.

HBadger

09 May 2013 00:27:43
Ive never disliked Moyes, and he has done very well at Everton, considering obvious constraints. You can argue what has he won. , well nothing with Everton, but he has demonstrated a particular set of attributes, which would fit well with us.
I once had a list as long as my arm for potential next managers, with Klopp/Guardiola heading it, but as time passes, Moyes is becoming the obvious choice.
Irrelevant as to whether you agree or not, this is the biggest transitional period in the clubs history, so it is the 'UTD family' you guys often mention that needs to be shown.
Who ever gets the job needs our support for more than just a season or two. Don't lose sight if that.
Potentially a bumoy road ahead, but we need to trust and make OT a f#####g mad house.
Juniper

09 May 2013 00:23:26
I think we will need to be even more sensible with speculation this summer as there is going to be a lot of crazy s**t flying around. This summer we will be a bigger media circus than usual. Now were hearing Rooney asked to leave two weeks ago. I call b*****ks, if the papers knew this then it would have been in print long before now. And if they knew that Sir Alex was retiring one of the closest gaurded secrets then IF Wayne had asked to leave they would have known already.

He may well leave, but I don't believe the guff currently in the press.

Either way we best buckle up, this is going to be one hell of a ride. We're not in Kansas any more toto.

Shappy

It would not be a good start if one of our top players leaves because of the new manager and Moyes, a very poor choice for me, has to start on the back foot. I don't think most are that naive to believe some stories. I don't expect Ronaldo either but the clubs publicity machine will be in action for damage limitation and try to find positives. There are tickets to sell to very disgruntled fans

Red Man

It would be in very poor taste if he does actually do this now. To me It is another episode of him holding the club to ransom to get a big new contract for the exact same reasons you just described.

Whilst, I could care less as long as the new manager has proper funds to buy replacements, some of the post over the last two days would make you believe we are hiring some riff raff off the street and I can only imagine what sort of hysteria we would have if the club was going to let him go.

BTW I think there is s high probability he will be sold.

Armagadon, Armagadon
LOL

Shahram

Shappy
It was in the papers a couple of days ago but the fergy story blew it out the water
Jred

08 May 2013 14:24:08
Eds,

Do you see Ferguson's retirement having negative effects on the United players; enough to see them leave?

Thanks a lot, really appreciate your work {Ed002's Note - No.}