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07 Dec 2013 15:25:06
I think Fergie has been very shrewd in the timing of his retiring, but who can blame him? He obviously saw that this team needed overhauling big time but he's already built 4 or 5 teams at least, so perhaps he didn't have the energy to do it again.
The midfield is clearly the weakest area of the team, and Fergie's neglect of this area for the last few years is almost criminal. Moyes should have identified this, and it seems like he did with the attempted signing of Fabregas and the signing of Fellaini, so perhaps the blame shouldn't be placed on him, but Ed Woodward, because it was his inept and slow negotiating which appears to have put us into this situation.
But let's be positive (kind of). Moyes, I think should be given until next Christmas. That way he will have had three windows to make the team his. In January, 40million should be spent on the centre of midfield alone, with a player like hamsik, fabregas, gundogan, witsel, pogba coming in because god knows we need someone. If we strengthen the middle, the rest of the team is decent enough to get us to the end of the season, with us getting into the Champions League with a lot of luck. Then in the summer, the rubbish should be cleared out, we all know who. At least one winger, preferably two, a left back, a natural back-up right back, a quality centre half and further depth in central midfield. Hopefully then we will get to next Christmas and Moyes' deadline with the team having come through this transition period.
I know this is drastic and will cost millions, but its got to be done. These players aren't Moyes' so he isn't going to get the same level out of them that Fergie did.
Finally, let's get off Zaha's back, he had 20 minutes to make an impact in a team that wasn't stringing 4 passes together in his first chance of shining, he clearly wasn't going to set the world on fire.
Sorry for the length but seeing some of the things on twitter and here, I felt it needed to be said. For the record, Moyes wasn't my first choice, but let's get behind him, have some patience and realise the situation.

1.) Moyes seems to be getting the blame and I can understand why but imo the team simply isn't good enough. our lack of investment in top quality players is starting to show.
carrick and rvp were excellent last year take them 2 and rooney out and this isn't a great game.
im not sure how well we would of done with out rvp and carrick last year to be honest.
a lot of teams have improved this year and we have at best stood still in terms of players and gone backwards in terms of manager.
it would seem moyes wanted herrera kherida baines fabergas all of which would of improved us.
moyes wasnt my first choice I would of went for a manger with a winning record european experience and a personality to handle the job, JOSE.
moyes tactics have always been negative for me some kind of variation of 4-4-1-1 but he is not the only one to blame.
if we had of spent as much on players as we have on the debt over the last few years we would have a much better team.

2.) The problems we have is will there be a large transfer fund for january? and will top players want to come to us if we are still mid table and struggling to make champs league places.

3.) As much as I agree that Utd might need a few players remember that this is the team that won the league last year. Moyes should be doing a lot better.

4.) Jred, what you mean the EXACT same team that won the league by 11 points last season?

5.) I said at start of season we would struggle to make top4 but now i'm genuinely concerned about the future under moyes

6.) Jred

You echo my sentiments. It is time to get off statements like "We are United and . ". Our first 11 is average and without Carrick, RvP and Rooney it is actually poor. Moyes should take some blame but it will be unfair to completely put it on him. The look on his face said it all. He was not my first choice, I would have gone for Jose. But he is here and a final judgement should not be passed right away.

The problem is, I don't see Woody or Glazers spending. Will Moyes get his players or the financial backing required. I think at best we can hope for a Cup run. let's not kick Moyes when he is down, would not be really classy of us. That said, something has to give.

John - I think we can attract players if we can show them the money/project etc etc. The problem is, our current owners and good for nothing CEO will not do it.

Deeps.

7.) Irish, exactly. Of course MU need 2-3 top class players, but we cannot forget that the exact same players were far better last season under SAF than they are under Moyes. So they can play better.

8.) Jred

I agree he was not choice either but he is our manager and left with a poor team. I said exactly the same thing a few days ago, Carrick, RVP, Rafael and to some extend the back 4 were very solid defensive last year had us squeak wins. This year our only in form player is Rooney and that is never going to be enough.

9.) This rut has nothing to do with lack of quality, of course we need new players that has been the case for years now, but this side won the league last season and if SAF was still here we would be near the top now. There is enough quality here to be sitting at the top of the league now, but they are not happy and are severely lacking confidence.

10.) Sydney

The same players are not playing. RVP and Carrick carried us last year and rafael was a revelation at right back. This year it is patchwork every game, either through injuries or suspensions.

If you are saying SAF was a better manager than Moyes no one can argue with that given his track record and accomplishments in the game.

11.) Last season a lot of our competition were very poor that's why we won the league playing average boring football, I've just watched the southampton game and the difference is massive they play very similar to dortmund very fast at closing the other team down and very quick as a team on the break.whats interesting is they have used 13 academy players in the premier league this season so far

12.) Deeps
if other big teams are interested in anyone we are then they can offer cl football as an almost certainty and a bigger wage packet.the lure of playing for us isn't what it was, younger players still see us as a massive move world class players are more interested in the money side of things.

13.) All sides are dropping points this year, and we had numerous injuries last season too. I cannot believe that anyone can honestly claim that there is not a direct correlation between how poorly we are playing and David Moyes. We were struggling when both Carrick and RVP were fit, even with Rooney firing on all cylinders.

Yes, the owners have not invested enough in top quality players. Yes, Fergie made mistakes in the transfer market. And yes, the team is a year older and a few players are struggling. But there has been such a widespread and dramatic drop of form throughout the entire squad that there must be a problem with the new management team. The entire team has lost confidence and belief, this is a direct reflection on Moyes and what the players think of him.

I've asked numerous times for people to provide evidence of any positive improvements Moyes has made at the club. In five months the performances keep getting worse and the players look less an less likely to turn things around. Changing manager in mid season is not an option, but the club should be drawing up a list of candidates for the summer because they need to doing things properly if they want the club to challenge for trophies again.

14.) John

I agree, that lure of playing for us is probably no longer a deciding factor. To be frank, I am probably not even considering the "best" players out there when it comes to recruitment. I know it says a lot, but I guess we will have to rebuild from scratch. No divine right to be the bullies that we were. But then our discussion on this might just be an oxymoron. The leeches at the helm and their henchman will ensure we bid derogatory amounts for players. But then they keep saying, "Manchester United will compete for the best players". I am sure we won't be in such a soup if our transfer window was even AVERAGE.

Deeps.

15.) Shahram, we have been poor with or without RvP and Carrick this season. There is clearly more going on in the background and I think there are several players who are not happy with Moyes for one reason or another. RvP being one of them. This is a team that are in a rut, not just lacking quality. There is more than enough quality to be sitting near the top of the league now. The question is WHY aren't they performing?

16.) Sydney

We made a management change after 26 years and there is always going to be an adjustment to the new manager and his style, which might not go down well with some players.

The day we allow the players to choose what they like and what they don't like is the end of us.

How many tackles did our guys pull out of today. Some of them should hang their heads in shame and don't deserve the wages and the shirt.

If I am honest I think he is too decent to them from his interviews and they need a dressing down.

It is clear we are really struggling offensively and very disjointed and some drastic improvements on the offensive end.

17.) Deeps

Given what we are witnessing come january they have no more excuses. Unfortunately not many top players are available and not many will want to make the move to a new league in a world cup year.

18.) Deeps

Given what we are witnessing come january they have no more excuses. Unfortunately not many top players are available and not many will want to make the move to a new league in a world cup year.

19.) Syd
Like myself and others said last season any manager was going to struggle after fergy but yourself and others seem ti of only supported united while winning and couldn't imagine a united team not top of the table.
This isn't s great team and most fans could see that .last season was one of fergys best achievements .
Back. 4 isn't great
Midfield is awful.
Wingers are poor.
There are better teams in the league.

But then I'm talking to a man who only a few days ago argued united are title contenders and arsenal aren't based solely on the past not the present team

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