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26 Jul 2014 10:12:35
With Carrick out for 10 to 12 weeks it may of been the perfect opportunity to look at Thorpe in the holding roll against LA Galaxy.

The other option could of been to try Petrucci. He played very well a few seasons ago on tour. He's 22 now and deserves at least a chance. He has been playing deeper recently in the reserves. The likes of Anderson, Cleverley, Gibson, Fletcher were all given game time. Petrucci WAS highly valued once in Italy. Who's to know we might regret letting Petrucci go before actually giving him a go.

Plus with his new bum fluff beard he looks like Gundogan if you squint a little. We already have the new Rodriguez James in Reece ;-)

1.) I read that Pearson and Rothwell had very good seasons.

2.) Petrucci is one of the most talented players to play for our U21 side. On par with Ravel, and a step above Pogba and Januzaj in terms of pure talent.

He just gets injured too often. His talent and ability are unquestionable, but physically speaking, he is not up to it.

15 Jun 2014 10:02:48
Is anybody worried about Paul Scholes comments.

He knows a lot about the game. More than anyone who posts on here.

His quote. "Rooney's best days are behind him".

He's 28 nearly 29. Should be in his prime now.
Has problems with his weight.
Hasn't scored a goal on the World stage.
Has moaned about playing out of position.
Has threatened to quit United twice.
Has held the Club to ransom once or twice.
Had temperament problems in the past.
Off field problems that have effected his game.
Plus it seems van Persie is the new Golden boy.
Rooney was given the Cpt armband & it maybe taken off him.

How will he fit into van Gaal system?
Will he be turned into a midfielder?
Will he be captain?
Why are we reportedly in for Cavani?
Will Rooney be sold???

1.) Not worried at all.

2.) Last season I said on here that I had come around to the idea of letting Rooney go. Then he was given a massive new contract. SAF was no mug and the ex managers apparent favouritism towards Rooney appeared to cause friction. Rooney has been a good player when in his position but never took the step up like Ronado did. SAF would have shipped him out but Moyes kept him and for me there were many mistakes within that scenario. Scholes has a very clear view but I bet SAF was thinking on similar lines. LvG is strong enough to make decisions and Rooney may not like them, so it will be interesting. I would not be sad if Rooney left, preferably abroad as long as we replace him well and allow Wilson to have a chance. My guess is that Chicarito will go this summer so if Rooney does we are short up there. We need some pace both in midfield and attack so I would not rule anything out.

3.) For me, Rooney is hugely overrated and massively over paid. I don't honestly think that ourselves or England would do any worse if we dropped him.

4.) I think Rooneys days are numbered and have suggested that in another post. I do think Rooney has been a very good player but ultimately falls short of being world class. Unlike RVP, Ronaldo and Scholes for example.

He's not as fine an athlete as those and needs to work harder at keeping fit. That will only get worse as he gets older and if you consider he's been playing in Premiership as first choice now for 12 pushing 13 seasons it's not that fantastic a leap to suggest that at approaching 29 he's nearing burnout. I think physically he's maybe 3 or 4 years beyond his actual age.

Before the pro v anti-Rooney rants starts my main reason for thinking Rooneys days are numbered at United is his lack of positional discipline. He showed that in the Italy game in spite of his usual all action style he struggled to cope with the defensive duties required of playing on the left side. Unlike Welbeck who I thought played well.

I appreciate as Rio intimated on MOTD last night either play him as a 9 or 10 or not at all. Problem with that in United's team is we have better players than Rooney for those positions as a 9 in Van Persie and IMO a better no.10 in Mata.

So could Rooney be pushed into a more central midfield role as Scholes did? He's certainly got exceptional long range passing but his ball retention is poor. Too poor for any team that needs to challenge for major honours. I think the time to have sold Rooney was last year but that ship has sailed. He has a long contract on £300k a week which to be blunt he wouldn't have got anywhere but United. I suspect we will see a very expensive squad player rather than first teamer in Rooney over next few seasons.

5.) 15 Jun 2014 10:44:44
Your right. Maybe myself and other people do love football too much. It's a game. If we lose, we play again next week. If a player gets injured or leaves. Another player will step in sooner or later.

Football is just a game in the end.

I obviously have read about your sad news and i'm truely, deeply sorry. I wish you & your family best wishes and hope & pray for you.

6.) I thought he was the worst attacking player on the pitch for us, I really hope we don't start him, sad news but I think the ox (if fit) should start or Adam

7.) After the Dutch beat Spain, GDS2 said "Imagine if we were watching that game and didn't already have van persie how excited we would be at the prospect of signing him and him playing under van gaal."

Now replace Rooney with RVP and how many people would be excited to see him sign? Playing in a relatively weak England side, he was one of the worst players on the pitch. He got his assist and that will add to the argument of those who boast about his stats, but he was poor and failed, once again, to perform on the biggest stage.

Hodgson even understands why he isn't good enough to play in his favourite position, but he's worth £300,000 a week to us? Unbelievable. Gerrard and Baines had to spend the entire first half telling him to stay in position and do his job, but even then they had to move him because he is incapable of not wandering off. The top players can perform on the biggest stage, whereas Rooney just looks like a lad from a pub team who won a competition to play at the World Cup.

8.) Rooney still plays the game like a kid. He no longer has the freshness and his lack of intellect is now exploited because he doesn't have the speed to adjust like he used to.

I have been a very harsh critic of Rooney over the past few seasons and the main objection has been his stats and his decent form at the start of last season.

There were 3 reasons why Rooney performed last Summer/Autumn - Wanted more money, Moyes loves him and finally the team were told to play through Rooney to their own detriment.

It was the equivalent of having 10 mates around for dinner, none eat fish but the 11th turns up who wants fish, so you make everyone fish for dinner. We let everyone suffer to please one guy and that is why we dipped so dramatically. He may have enjoyed his meal but everyone else couldn't wait to get out of there.

9.) People talking of selling Rooney! Are you mad? No I don't think he's a great player, but judging our efforts in signing players we can't afford to let any go!

10.) 15 Jun 2014 18:59:07
Beast,

Yep Rooney playing so well at the start of last season was the reason why everybody else was rubbish. I've heard it all now.

11.) Your spot on beast.

Moyes is obsessed with Rooney as he said only a few days ago the England team should be built around him, which for me is wrong.

Lets be perfectly honest Rooney was good until he had his contract then he was poor after it.

Another thing he does play just like a child as he runs about like a headless chicken in all the wrong areas using up all his energy and making pointless tackles.

Everything last season was about Rooney and you could bet it peed off a lot of the other players. He has lost most of his pace as he never runs at players no more and he does not have the intelligence that Robin has as a striker so without his pace and power you lose a lot of what he is all about.

He clearly is not first choice striker for England at the moment or he would of been up top instead of Sturridge. I feel all of Scholes comments were spot on and we have certainly seen the best of Wayne Rooney and I would not be 1 bit shocked if 1 of LVG first acts was to sell him

12.) GDS2 - Happens in lots of sports - most teams have a key man that is the focal point of attack, more often than not the others sacrifice themselves because the Hero is so good that if he performs you win. Rooney did well, but the suffering wasn't worth it. Rooney doesn't justify that sacrifice, Messi does, Ronaldo does, but Rooney can't pull you through so we shouldn't have based our team around him.

Moving on slightly -
What proved Rooneys epic fall was the freekick Gerrard took off him last night. 18 months ago that would never have happened. It shows even his own team mates doubt his quality and are sick of him getting glory from penalties, free kicks and the odd tap in here and there distorting the stats and headlines. I know some of you will say Gerrard was captain and fancied it, but there is no way anybody but Rooney would have taken that free kick 18 months ago, especially the way he grabbed the ball - also none of the players talk about him when interviewed or the manager (only to give a ridiculous defence to Gabby Logan, which everyone knew was ludicrous).

13.) 15 Jun 2014 21:11:31
I thought Rooney did what was asked of him last night. Playing on the left he tracked back as much as he was meant to, put in more yards than any other England player and provided an assist for the goal.

I think a lot of the problem with Rooney is that people think he's better than he is, but we know what he is really like, and was last night any worse than he's been for the last 6 months?

14.) Not at all, he played 5/10 maybe 6/10 as usual. We were weak on the left, he didn't know what he was doing, but that is the managers fault for playing him out of position. Rooney shouldn't be playing as he isn't the best anywhere and LW is a disaster for us. I hate the fact that Moyes & Hodgson lack the balls to drop him because of his name. Better than Lambert but second to Sturridge.

10 Jun 2014 16:55:16
Now we're not it the Champions League & all these Teams with sugar daddies. It seems we are behind a que of teams to buy quality.

Bayern - seem to attract all the Germans from other Clubs
Madrid - champions of Europe
Barcalona - obvious attraction
Juventus - Italian unbeatables
Man City - money, money, money
Chelsea - money & Mourinho
PSG - money & and easy League to win
Monaco - money & good living

Have we got to wait for the scraps after these teams have finished in the market?

1.) 10 Jun 2014 18:06:03
To be honest mate most players these days will opt for the money, there are a few that stay or go for loyalty but most will go where the money is. I dnt blame them for this, its a short and unpredictable career for most. All the teams u have mentioned pay the bucks to get the players they want end of.
Cavani didn't join PSG because it was a easy league to win otherwise he might as well if joined Celtic (apologies bond), he joined because they were willing to match the fee the selling club wanted and offered him the best wages, Falcao was the same.
Sure living in Monaco is amazing with the lifestyle etc but if say Dortmund paid the fee and chucked another 10-20k on his salary a week i'm sure u may of seen Edison in a yellow shirt this season.

We have got to get a grip fast with the way of modern football and its workings or we will get left behind fast (cue the scousers claiming its happeneing lol). Instead of trying to save the odd few million here and there on transfer fee's and prolonging the deal or even scuppering it we should pay and maybe try and negotiate a few more mills on a sponsorship.
IM not claiming we should pay whatever they ask but if say Southampton ask for £30m for Shaw and ain't willing to negotiate at all we MUST move on and FAST to other targets leaving the club and the players with the predicament and not us once the window shuts.

It just feels like we have been a bit 'amateurish' over the past 12 months or so. Maybe its was the change and they will sort it, i'm certainly not panicking yet because the window is not even close to open yet.
Ppl are losing there sh** atm because they see other clubs signing players, but I would guess a lot if ground work has been done behind the scenes with the transfer and its easy to annouce it after a season has finished and before a world cup. The problem comes when u have not done the ground work or change a manager close to the end of the season. That for different reasons will always give other clubs a head start on us.
It gives more power to the selling club while diminishing ours at the same time.

But i'm quite sure LVG has known a litte bit longer than 1 month he is the new Manchester United boss and will have started doing and getting woody to do the ground work too.

Judge the club at the beginning of the season on signings, if none come in then questions will be asked and not just by us fans but media and a like will be asking these questions.

Sorry bout the length shaps lol

2.) I think we're still a bigger draw than all of the teams you list with the exception of Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona (and potentially Chelski).

3.) Redseven, clearly we are not a bigger draw. Why did Hazard go to Chelsea or Moura to PSG? In the past few years we have lost players like Tevez because we wouldn't pay the price to keep him, and who knows who else chose Madrid, Barcelona, London or Paris rather than our side of Manchester. All other things being equal, if you were a south american superstar, where would you go? The tax free haven of Monaco or our rainy northern city? Why would you leave Bayern and Germany to come to a team that's in transition and may not get back into the ECL?

Plain facts are that we have failed to respond to the realities of the transfer market, with the club's cash flow being consumed by debt. At this point in time we are a top club in name only. SAF's glory days are behind us and LVG and Woodward will have their work cut out turning last season's form around.

There are now a number of teams with equal or greater resources and situational appeal. It's going to take money and a great manager to get us back to where we would like to be.

4.) Peashooter - in the past the reason players went elsewhere has generally been because the club refused to pay what was required to sign them. By the sound of it that's now changing.

If you take money out of the equation we are a bigger draw. Financially speaking we are now able to offer more than PSG, City and Monaco in both transfer fees and wages if we so wished.

5.) Our wage bill is less than City's and we haven't spent as much money. What we have spent has frequently been on either second rate talent within a global context (RVP and de Gea excepted), or players whose acquisition did not address the core problems - i.e not replacing the likes of Keane, Scholes, Giggs and Ronaldo.

We'll have to agree to disagree about whether we are a bigger draw anymore. My own opinion is that United fans who believe we are are deluding themselves. Times have changed. Right now, Bayern, Barcelona and Real are bigger draws than us, Chelsea is at least equal and PSG and City have just had too much money at their disposal.

I do agree we still have an incredible global profile but that doesn't mean that if one sets aside the money, the top players in the world would prefer to play for us than the other teams. The evidence suggests otherwise.

6.) Peashooter - I can assure you that I'm not deluded. If you honestly believe that top players would rather play for Monaco than us if money were to be taken out of the equation then you are the deluded one.

As I said in my first post; Barcelona, Bayern and Real probably have more pulling power than us right now although one could argue they always have. Aside from those teams Chelski are the only one who come close to us and that is mainly down to money. If it weren't for Roman they'd be about as desirable as Newcastle.

If the club were so inclined we could go toe to toe with any club financially to sign a player (due to ffp restrictions). Providing none of the aforementioned clubs are involved I'd expect us to get our man 9 times out of 10 and in some instances I'd imagine we may stand a chance of beating those clubs to a players signature due to the fact that they will most likely be guaranteed to get more game time with us.

07 May 2014 06:22:43
If it was a choice of Giggs getting game time or Fellaini. Who would you choose.

Giggs is way better than Fellaini in midfield or in the hole.

As your last duty as Manager Giggs.

Please give yourself a new one year contract and release Fellaini from his.

He can't seem to tackle without fouling or swinging his arms.
He's all legs & looks like Bambi on ice.
He runs like Forest Gump.
It takes him 4/5 touches to control the ball.
He's worth a yellow card every time he starts.
He's not a 2 man midfielder player.
He's more like a poor mans Kevin Nolan.
At least put him on the transfer list or offer a swap deal.
(Afro & 15m for Shaw?)
(Afro for Sneijderlin?)
(Afro for Garay?)
We need to forget the Moyes era. That means turfing out Fellaini I'm afraid.

1.) He looks like he's running in toffee. He will certainly not be playing as a 2nd striker next season, not for us anyway. I think he will be back-up for someone like Carvalho.

07 May 2014 06:21:52
I seriously hope I'm wrong but I can't see any of these targets wanting to come to United (yet).

If you were a WC or a potential WC player I just can't see what will entice them to come (this season).

My points of view:

1) No Champions League or even Europa.
* WC players want to play at the highest level.

2) Poor form & shocking displays for 2-3 seasons.
* WC players may not want to play with Young & Fellaini.

3) who's in & who's out (an unsettled team)
* A WC player would worry about coming in & some of the better players possibly leaving.

4) Unsettled Management & Coaches. (No EPL experience)
* It all could be a little rushed or very last minute ala Fellaini.

5) Old Trafford fear factor.
* WBA, Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland.

6) Chelsea & City offering higher wages.
* Both teams have stole last minute players in the past.

7) Liverpool & Arsenal can offer Champions League.
* Would that be more tempting to a potential WC player.

8) Manchester weather.
* Sunnier climates in Spain & Italy.

9) Filthy Rich City, Chelsea, Monaco, PSG etc etc.
* More & more players chase money than glory.

10) No experienced Woodward.
* He wasted so much time last summer.

11) Excuses.
* World Cup year & no value in the market.

1.) You forgot the one thing that attracts the modern day footballer! Money!

Paying WR the reported £300k per week gives a clear signal that we are prepared to pay top wages for top players.

2.) Got to reply to that stupid post by TJF, one simple reason, to play for Manchester United, one of the biggest clubs in the world.

3.) Probably only points 1 & 8 are worth discussing. Even point 8 simply wouldn't bother a player who is willing to move to England. Fortunately footballers and agents aren't as fickle as some of the fans. They will know that if they join, plus 3-4 other top notch players also joining, that they will only be out of the UCL for one season.

Liverpool and Arsenal do have UCL, but MU still have a bigger pull then both of them.

4.) This club is the biggest on the planet. Add to that the fact we have a lot of money wrapped around us, then I don't see a problem with signing big names.

5.) Is that the pull of Gravity Sid?

6.) Well that takes the cake for the most naive post of the year and so disconnected from reality. Sorry mate you asked for it.

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It could be good news Gill is in Madrid.
Ronaldo, Benzema or Ozil coming.

Or could it be bad news.
Rooney or Vidic going.

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15 Jun 2014 10:44:44
Your right. Maybe myself and other people do love football too much. It's a game. If we lose, we play again next week. If a player gets injured or leaves. Another player will step in sooner or later.

Football is just a game in the end.

I obviously have read about your sad news and i'm truely, deeply sorry. I wish you & your family best wishes and hope & pray for you.