02 Sep 2023 23:12:16
Article tomorrow from the mails finance journo saying the glazers are taking the club off the market as nobody got near their asking price. Not surprised by this as I don't think they really wanted to sell in the first place. In the article it states they want £10bn to sell, surely this number can't be right, because if it is it's completely ludicrous. I really hope this is just another clickbait article.

1.) 03 Sep 2023
02 Sep 2023 23:33:16
Wouldn’t surprise me as they can probably see how football markets (and potential to make more money) growing in the USA and elsewhere, thus wanting a higher price now as they try to be compensated for potential higher income in the future if they sell.

Apparently will try to sell again in 2025.

Surely a huge gamble though as, to make money (Ie improve stadium to bring money in/ events, etc, improve scouting and recruitment to make money like city and Chelsea, improve women’s team to make money as women’s football established itself, etc, etc) there needs to be some investment, which they refuse to do, instead greedily gambling that football revenues will increase exponentially without any input or effort from them.

Other potential buyers are willing to invest to make longer term profits out of the club, but Glazers are not willing to invest anything, only take revenues out.

Thus can’t see how, without investment, club will be worth more in two years time.

2.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 00:46:46
If it’s in the Mail then I’d take it with a pinch of salt.

3.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 01:59:33
I'll begin by explaining how much I despise Joel and Avram.
If, on the way to or from work, I saw either of them hanging from the edge of a wooden deck atop a cliff, I wouldn't be so impetuous as to stomp their fingers - no, I'd return to my van to get a hammer and some nails, securing the trash precisely where I found it.
I absolutely detest these two nepo-wealth runts, waltzing around with egos bigger than Ronaldo's, puffing out their poxy little toddler chests in the stands when the opportunity arises for their bottoms to be licked - oh yeah, I'd love to see the back of these parasitic frauds.

Now, in terms of the takeover saga, I would not be remotely surprised if they withdrew.
This whole process has been full of clickbait, misinformation, and overt garbage from the start with every two-bit clown of a journalist desperately swimming through the fetid swamp of their industry hoping to snag a scoop, while simultaneously regurgitating the same tired waffle for as long as they can.
Throughout, these two have been hotstepping their way through the circus of sycophants, supercharging their egos, and generally showing utter disdain for the average fan who has to really give proper thought to paying for a matchday ticket - giving that kind of fan hope that they might one day be able to again support a club that's run by people who know their stuff, only to then flip the bird in the inimitably obnoxious style of a Glazer.

Ooh, do I hate them - there's no word in my vocabulary that quite captures the sheer level of hatred I feel towards them.

That said, I'm not going to allow this to affect me - it is football and every aspect of it is beyond my control, so it is very much a secondary factor of my life.

What these two lumps of smegma need to understand is that everything has a weakness.
United are still one of the most commercially attractive companies in the world of sport, but the weakness is sporting success. With each generation comes a big old batch of fans from outside Manchester.
There will be an inevitable dwindling of fanbase numbers around the world that will eventually impact the commercial strength.
I know there are many other factors involved that my little brain has no business getting involved with, but, having run my own business for many years, I do know that both reputation and brand viability are always, at least in part, vulnerable to damage from the quality of produce/ service.
These two have actually damaged their reputation in relation to United, they have damaged the club and have again kicked every fan in the shrapnel all over again - the Glazer Show must go on.

4.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 05:00:23
Ork, so what you getting the Glazers for Christmas! That’s whole lot of hate against someone you probably never even met. I’m not so sure it’s good even having them in your head to that extreme.

5.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 06:02:02
Ridiculous if true. They’ve wasted everybody’s time. Difficult to see how anybody will ever take them seriously again after this. Looking forward to the protests.

6.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 06:57:24
Everyone knows what I think of the leeches.

The article in the Mail may be true, they may eye selling for more in 2025. However, they appear to have put their argument out there for why existing bidders should cough up the £6Bn they want now, because it will be worth it, a good investment, can’t the buyers now see? That’s what this looks like.

However, if the leeches stay then it will be really toxic, not that they will care. They don’t care about the state of the club, it’s infrastructure, it’s development, the stadium, it’s history, the football future, it’s just what they, the ultimate leeches can get out of it. The club will be lucky to stand still for 2 years if they stay, more likely continue to decline, to fall further behind. I watch as Liverpool develop their stadium, City build an empire, Madrid and Barcelona develop their stadiums, whilst watching our owners plan for how much they can make. I don’t have Orks level of venom but I feel sad and sickened by what the Glazers are doing, have done to a club built by good men, a working class club built into a world club, now dragged down to a money making scheme. Sir Matt and Jimmy Murphy must be spinning in their graves.

7.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 08:38:34
Foolish if true in my opinion. I think that the club is close to maxed out in value, and the only way to increase its worth will be further investment in facilities such as the stadium and the training ground. Something the current owners have never really shown any interest in doing.

They have seemingly maxed out sponsorship revenue, and to increase it more will almost certainly rely on becoming more successful on the pitch to increase the value of brand association. Again this is something that they have struggled with during their ownership and is far from guaranteed.

Finally the club has and will continue to garner negative publicity under Glazer ownership. The negativity caused by the Greenwood debacle (and will continue to be until he permanently leaves the club) added to what will be a massive fan backlash against the ownership if they announce they are staying will only negatively impact the value of the club to potential buyers.

Also let's play the game and assume the club will continue to grow in value, surely at some point it becomes so expensive that there is literally no one prepared to buy it. Let's say it gets to the magic 10bn the Glazers supposedly want. There were only a few bidder's prepared to enter negotiations at a value between 3-6bn. You would assume there would be even less at a valuation between 8-10bn.

Realistically regardless of a person's wealth who would sink 10bn into a football club knowing full well that they will need to invest a further 1-2bn on a new stadium and training complex even if the day to day running can be covered by the business turnover.

The current owners have personally taken around 200m in dividends from the club during their 18 year ownership. If the club has maxed out in potential growth in value then the potential returns for any investors would be fairly restricted to what they can get in dividends. Which given the typically relatively large running cost of a football club will always be fairly limited.

Even if an owner could get 100m a year in dividends from the club, that would be a 1% return on a 10bn investment. That's just not worth it to anyone.

The value in buying the club now for 5-6bn isn't the returns available from dividends but the potential growth to be worth 10bn in the future.

8.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 08:59:59
If they wait 2 more years or don’t sell then they condemn us to falling further behind on and off the pitch, that’s why most fans don’t like the leeches.

9.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 09:18:27
Last year i caught the tail end of a radio chat about money in sport particularly football and they referenced one of the richest men in USA who was the owner of a sports team but can't remember who - the Dallas Squirrels or Florida pancakes or some such team and the interviewer said he was surprised that there were now so many American owners in PL but not this guy why not? He said because what they are doing is risky you don't know your income and costs each year - now, if you stopped this relegation nonsense, if you played a few games abroad each season to grow the popularity, if you knew before each season you were guaranteed to be in the Champions league not the Europa league or not even in Europe at all then yes count me in then you can really grow the clubs worldwide and know your costs before each season starts to allow you to get the best commercial deals. that's the future right there and possibly why they think it wil be worth 8 mill in future if changes are made to the set up to "Ameicanise " it.

10.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 09:30:12
Its just an article and buying back the publicly listed stock would require a lengthy procedure starting with an offer at a certain price and quite a bit of capital.

I don't believe any of this stuff tbh and i had mentioned i know the qatari camp and asked a couple of weeks ago when there was news they had gotten it, but never got anything back. If this was true they would have said its off. I am leaning towards a sale actually given how hush hush they are. Not like them if you know them and within a certain inner circle.

The window is over, greenwood gone and feels like they need another headline to get click bait that's until today when we play. hope we have a good game. read mc and sancho did not travel, are they injured?

11.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 10:50:34
I saw a random twitter iTK claim this before the story dropped. His record is sketchy at best and I wouldn't put it past the mail to use that account as a source. The only reason I think they may have used the source is because they used the same figure. 10 billion hasn't been mentioned before so seemed a weird coincidence.

12.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 11:13:19
No idea what's going to happen, no idea what to believe in relation to this story anymore.

13.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 12:45:11
You do have a way with words ork.
Excellent stuff and couldn't agree more ?.

14.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 12:45:12
The Glazers know there's a 5th UCL spot this season. So easier to guarantee UCL money.

They also have likely been encouraged by the fact that they can hide behind FFP and even loan players to fix problems.

Hopefully it is one more attempt at getting a better price, but I doubt it will come. I feel the Qataris have lost or are becoming disillusioned.

15.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 13:17:49
I would not listen too much to all the stories, just wait and see, they may have seen Saudis wanting to pay 200m for a player and no value in that, but Saudis don’t care, you don’t buy a football club at levels they are talking about to make money,! maybe they are just hoping a Saudi prince will pop up with 10 Billion, we don’t know if the sheik offered 6 billion, I would think if he did, that will be accepted, just like everything with United it’s a drawn out process and big news, so it pays for Everyman and his dog to have an opinion.

16.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 13:53:09
Work, did you just envisage joel and avram at OT? Wow, you do have a vivid imagination ?.

17.) 03 Sep 2023
03 Sep 2023 14:10:13
Doubt they’ll announce this but instead just remain silent. They know if they announce this publicly there will be mayhem and the fans will go nuts. Radio silence and the appearance of limbo is what will happen. Not sure where the club goes from here, if we were apparently broke this year what will the clubs finances look like next year and beyond. Scarey thought.

18.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 07:41:00
Tim,

We aren’t broke, the clubs accounts are there for all to see, we were hamstrung by FFP because of our ludicrous spending on useless players under Woodward.