Manchester United Discussion

26 Apr 2024 14:19:09
Didn’t think our injury problems could get any worse, just seen now that Martial is expected to return before the end of the season! 😩.

26 Apr 2024 14:49:06
He’ll probably get injured on the lap of honour at the last home game ❤️.

26 Apr 2024 15:10:19
Still, you won't see him cupping his ears - they might fall off.

26 Apr 2024 09:50:35
Rashford calling out 'abuse' that he's received and that it's been going on for months and that enough is enough. I'm not sure what to say to that, if he's receiving hateful comments on social media etc then that's fair enough for him to speak out as some of the stuff on there can be vile! but if he's referring to match going fans and pundits who have criticised him then simply GROW UP! Rather than look at himself it's the usual pity party and trying to become the victim. Fans have the right to criticise him as he's a high earner who looks disinterested and his performances have been awful. I think the OT faithful have been good to him so I'm not sure what his end game is. Maybe he wants out and if so then I hope the club get a fee and get rid. His attitude is poor and it's showing again here.

26 Apr 2024 10:40:48
It's pretty clear to me that Rashford needs to leave and go elsewhere. He can't expect zero criticism when his perfromances are that bad. If his performances were crap but he was putting in the work then it wouldn't be so bad. It's the complete lack of effort and the look of disinterest every game which is getting the fans back up.
Surely he can seee that.

26 Apr 2024 11:12:13
Let me just clarify that if he’s receding personal abuse, racist abuse then he’s right to call it out and it’s not acceptable…. if he’s referring to criticism of his performances then that’s a different story. It’s appears to be the latter that he’s referring to though.

26 Apr 2024 11:20:38
Personal and racist abuse is disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated and he has every right to call it out.
I am just referring to his displays on the pitch.

26 Apr 2024 11:33:33
If he is getting comments he doesn't like then stop reading them it's not rocket science.

26 Apr 2024 12:02:00
Do u think it’s a pr ploy Ken, try to quieten down the criticism and make him out as the victim?

26 Apr 2024 12:30:04
I just want him gone and put the money to good use.

26 Apr 2024 13:01:00
He and others are focusing a little on Goldbridge, which tells it's own story.

Goldbridge has an agenda - quite clearly, but is that abuse?

The problem with Precious (Is that abuse or an observation? ) is that after giving it large being a SJW, talking about the need for more focused and in depth work to tackle the blight of poverty in the UK, chatting about his interpretation of the hardships faced by his mother who worked her botty off to put food on the table, he clearly doesn't respect the significance of the word 'Work' in all of that.

If Precious was a reader of this site, I'd like him to take this away with him.

I'm a Manchester United fan of over 40 years Marcus.
I have seen this club sink and rise through many troughs and peaks, and I'm still there at OT as often as I can be - I've shown commitment and earned my fkn stripes Marcus.

Throughout my adult life, I've got nothing I've not grafted for - irrespective of what I've achieved, I expect people to respect the values of employment by putting in the fair amount of effort Marcus.

Now here's the crux you're missing Marcus - when I pay to sit in the stadium to watch you and the others play football, there's a percentage of your weekly wage being paid for by me. Therefore, because the outlay for me is so high, my understanding of value is rather different to yours.
My understanding comes from the real world Marcus, where plenty of people like your mother are slogging away for scant reward. I don't live my life with my head stuck up my rear end thinking I should be 'respected' because Mummy struggled - you know fk all about struggle, absolutely fk all pal.

So, after these few years of your grifting the SJW bandwagon, collecting your badges thinking they make ickle Marcus a good egg, it irks me when I see you stroll around with your hands on your hips after losing the ball because you can't be bothered to work.

The fans Marcus, we pay your fkn wages you arrogant tool - you owe us the effort you're dodging.

Now, a moron might suggest I've been abusive there, but no, I'm being as harsh in my criticism of someone who quite literally takes the p*** out of me and every other matchgoing fan as I should.

Every bit of personal and/ or bigoted abuse is wholly unacceptable, nobody with a modicum of class would argue that, but this prick needs to find his spine and simply accept the criticism drawn only by himself and his ego or do one - go away and play in a country that will accept an arrogant af d***head thinking the world owes him it's tongue.

For me, it's very much a case of sell this guy ASAP. I don't want him at the club anymore because, beyond his academy relevance, he embodies none of the values that I, a fan who probably pays too much for the value returned, fully expect.

Ultimately, it sounds as though he's had enough of fans who expect earnest effort anyway, he wants to be King and have everyone making excuses for him.

Bye then Precious, please just go.

26 Apr 2024 13:06:21
Criticism regarding his performances is not abuse. We all want Rashford to play well! We all accept that sometimes players go through bad periods or suffer poor form but in those moments at least work hard, be a team player, do your job!

I think the bigger picture we need to discuss is what does Rashford playing well even look like?

His game is based on explosive pace, running in behind or cutting inside and shooting. He’s not very creative, he doesn’t generally retain the possession very well, he’s not a good presser and doesn’t generally like to track back. Even when he does he’s not great in defensive duals and doesn’t track runners!

I think we need to decide that even when he’s playing well, is that the kind of profile forward we need in the team and our highest paid player?

He’s always really struggled against teams that play a low block, don’t leave space in begging and look to double up. He’s normally more effective against the better teams that leave space in behind or trust their defenders in 1v1 situations. He can be a weapon, but I personally don’t think he has enough in his game to be lauded as our star player and highest earner. I think he’s fine as a very good rotation option and a potent weapon in some games, but his brand and ego seem to believe he’s something he’s not.

Putting all emotion aside if we could get a decent offer and get him off the wage bill I’d sell him this summer. In my opinion, I think he’s one dimensional and he hasn’t refined his game over the years to give him more strings to his bow.

26 Apr 2024 13:09:55
I don't think he has done himself any favours. His performances have been poor a d he was booked off the pitch against Coventry as the fans have had enough.

It is time that he moved on. He clearly can't handle the pressure of playing for Utd. Rashford isn't alone at being poor this season.

26 Apr 2024 13:21:55
Great post Ork.

26 Apr 2024 13:41:00
Sad thing is, I can't see a team that would offer United a fee they'd want and they won't accept less than £50M? Then who would pay his wage unless he drops £100+k a week and finally, he won't put in a transfer request because of how he probably thinks he would be perceived by the fans and also, I'm sure an Ed or someone can confirm or correct, if he puts in a transfer request he loses out on a payment from the club when he leaves? (Sure that used to be a thing?! )

So at the end of all this, he's going to p*#s away his career when he could have gone on and become another club legend. Sadly, players would rather obsecene amounts of money than that status.

I also think he is having some sort of breakdown, replying to a post just after midnight, looks down all the time, a move would, hopefully revive his football career and perhaps mentally be the best thing for him.

26 Apr 2024 14:04:16
Well said ork.

25 Apr 2024 15:12:15
If you remember back to pre season Sancho was deployed/ trialled as a false 9 in some games and he actually looked pretty sharp. Now I'm not suggesting Sancho should have played in that position permanently, but if I remember correctly Hoijlund and Marital were both injured at the start of the season and Rashford was deployed up front instead! He didn't look happy from the start, his form never recovered and Sancho started the season on the bench. The rest is history.

Whilst I like Hoijlund and think he has potential I'm not convinced he's an obvious fit and we don't really play to his strengths. He gets very little service and is often left feeding off scraps.

I have speculated for a while that this team might be more cohesive with a false 9. Someone that can drop into midfield, help link the play, keep possession, play on the half turn, beat players and look to feed the likes of Rashford and Garnacho.

I know EtH had some success with Tadic playing that role at Ajax, he was converted from a winger or wide forward.

I just wonder with the lack of options at the start of the season, if Sancho had of been afforded that chance how things might have been different?! Would Rashford have started the season better, playing in his more natural position, with another player looking to create chances for him rather than the other way around? Would Sancho have felt more valued and less inclined to challenge the manager's decisions? We'll never know!

We will no doubt target another striker in the summer and if we are going to keep the likes of Rashford and Antony I just wonder if we might benefit from another type of CF?

I also really like the look of Amad. He's looks so stylish on the ball and takes up good positions. He's evasive, can wriggle out of trouble and looks to pass and move. I think he could be a decent option playing off the front. I'm surprised and a touch frustrated he hasn't been given more chances!

I suppose if EtH is sacked this conversation is redundant and the new manager with have his own ideas, but they'll still have the problem of Rashford being a goal scorer rather than a creator and how that can work with a CF that thrives on service?

25 Apr 2024 16:51:19
For me, if we were to go with a false 9, Fernandes would work well.

25 Apr 2024 17:26:57
Amad could do that role too with some training - or quite frankly McTominay would be a good shout too. Keeps him away from our midfield.

25 Apr 2024 21:04:57
I don't think Amad will make it unfortunately.

24 Apr 2024 22:55:27
I genuinely believe if we give the job to southgate we are finished.

25 Apr 2024 00:42:57
It won't be Southgate. 0 chance.

25 Apr 2024 16:36:03
Its already been mooted- howe-england
southgate to us
mourinho to newcastle.
The only one to benefit would be newcastle in that round robin as he would probably park the bus and win a trophy.

23 Apr 2024 06:35:42
Papers reporting this morning that the Semi final performance is the end for ETH after United fans gave up and didn't stay for the players after penalties. Well i understand from people who were there that many threw it in and went as soon as Coventry scored their second because they knew what was coming. Apparently, the comments about the manager and his substitutions were very negative. So it isn't just a couple of us.

23 Apr 2024 11:10:37
Red Man - I was there and most fans were on at the players.

There was some frustration when Garnacho and Mainoo were taken off but Eriksen and Antony should be good enough to see a game out against Championship opposition.

Let’s not forget we were 3-0 up with 20 minutes left. You might not agree but he made two logical substitutions, both international players. People moan about injuries but then want to flog two of our youngest players. This was on the players again.

I understand the frustration with the manager but tell me the plan? read the rumours page Ed002 says Southgate and Potter are favourites if EtH goes? This is not me scaremongering!

Southgate hasn’t managed domestic football for well over a decade and he wasn’t very successful when he did. He’s done a decent job at improving the atmosphere in the England camp but his football is pragmatic and England normally lose when they face anyone decent! Can you name me a single England game where Southgate has tactically out manoeuvred another Nation or got a result nobody was expecting?! He’s steadied the ship at England I’m not knocking him but in my opinion he’s no where near good enough for Utd!

Potter did well at Brighton. They played some decent football but he was a disaster at Chelsea. He’s been out of the game for well over 12 months. In my opinion he needs to re build his career before he takes another big job. Utd are an infinitely bigger Club than Chelsea with huge pressure and media exposure. Some argue he didn’t have the structure at Chelsea but that’s been the same for EtH, there’s been no direction or leadership whilst the Club has been up for sale and an injury crisis has meant he’s been unable to play his strongest side for almost all this season. Why not see what EtH can do under a different structure rather than appoint Potter who has been less experience and EtH has been in the job and has already dealt with a lot of the issues.

Let’s see what happens but for those that want EtH sacked they must understand that potentially means Southgate or Potter. They are the favourites. If you’re comfortable with that so be it.

23 Apr 2024 11:54:50
Another day, another eth bashing post.
Reminds me of Carragher. Every opportunity, say something negative about united.
Predictable, boring, repetitive etc etc.

23 Apr 2024 16:17:26
Nobody left when Coventry scored their 2nd, that’s a load of nonsense, people left when they scored their 4th and then promptly came back when it was disallowed. Not many stayed at the end to clap them off, I’d imagine half down to the performance and half down to how long it takes to get back to the station if you wait longer than 2 minutes.

His subs were wrong, as always, and people booed Rashford when he faked an injury to go off but the singing on the way out was of a team that had won when we thought we had lost. As said above Eriksen and Antony should be able to see a game out against a championship side but ETH should be fully aware of how our levels have dropped when he’s taken off Garnacho and Mainlo all season so shouldn’t have done it, it’s literally every game and we’ve thrown away so many games because of them changes. What was he resting them for? A pointless game at home to Sheffield United? His subs are baffling all the time and that’s the main reason he probably won’t keep his job.

23 Apr 2024 17:32:58
REdman

You are a minority however you and few here are the loudest and go look for anything negative to reinforce your views. You also post stuff that's totally bs as my sons were at the game and they did not see united fans leaving or getting on players and like most people just could not believe what they were seeing in the last 20 minutes.

Read United stand which is the largest fan base online had a poll with 70% in favor of the manager. Today we know Garnacho had a problem and they took him off but you paint everything as a tactical mistake, useless manager and look to blame him. The players on that pitch are so culpable for what happened and most are the same players who have done this in years past.

Hate to tell you this buckle up as you will not like any manager until this squad gets a serious revamp and it will take a few years and they will make every manager look bad if you are looking to blame something. Did not realize AWB has given away 3 pens in last 5 games in injury time, that has to be up there too as a new record.

But blame eth if that makes you happy. Boring.

23 Apr 2024 18:10:29
Ahmad

1) I spoke to someone who was there, who I know well, they said there were quite a few reds on the concourse leaving as described, so it was certainly not BS. I could tell you a few other things they said and what was said in and around them, I had a long discussion with them.
2) If Garnacho had a problem why did he look so shocked and disappointed when his number came up? Funny how when the manager gets pilloried there is a problem to excuse it.
3) The players are culpable, no doubt about it, but anyone who understands motivation, leadership can see there is a big problem and who is responsible for the motivation and leadership of players? For organising them?
4) If there are no tactical mistakes why are we conceding record numbers of shots, why can a mid table Championship side turn us in to mincemeat.
5) The only poll that matters is one conducted by SJR, Wilcox, Beradi, we wait on that. Southgate would be a disaster but ETH has done nothing at all to suggest he could organise a pub team, let alone us.
6) I have “buckled up” upon every manager since and including Busby. The only thing I am asking is to see an organised team, showing tactics to win a game, coordination with each other. We haven’t seen that at all, if I had and we had been unlucky then I wouldn’t have wanted ETH sacked. I have seen good managers and bad ones, but just thinking give them all time and they will turn out like SAF is naive and forgets the mess Sexton and Atkinson left.
7) Who played AWB at left back? Who decided we didn’t need a loan left back? Who decided Malacia was ok for this season? Easy to blame medics, but who organises training when we get injury after injury? I bet ETH played AWB on the left because he wanted Dalot to push into midfield (leaving a hole) . Tactical.

Boring? It’s the future of our club we are looking at. I want him to stop throwing young players under the bus with his after game excuse interviews throwing blame on anyone but himself. Some of these type of comments above could be cut and pasted when I said Ole wasn’t good enough or Moyes on here. It’s naive and desperation for ETH to work when he just hasn’t earned any more time.

23 Apr 2024 18:27:55
I go often Red Man, and I can assure you that it's primarily people moaning on the internet from behind their keyboards that are going on at the manager.

In fact, in all my years attending, I've never known the fans be so collectively against a group of players as they are right now, and it was bad under Mourinho. Rashford for example gets pelters all game. Very little said about the manager from inside the stadium, though.

Ahmad is right above. It's the extreme minority making the most noise, as usual.

23 Apr 2024 21:25:28
Redman,

There you go again and you just make stuff up to suit your argument. everyone is a liar but your pet garnacho. Nick cox is a liar when he says this manager has done so much to bring young guys through but god forbid if the manager decides he wants to take a player off you like or play one you despise.

Honestly don't have the energy to reply to your points, you are like a broken record and repeat stuff over and over. Go to game for a change mate and half the stuff you say here are so far from the truth and i agree with waza you will hear them groan about what the players do but nothing like you lot who want eth out. its your own make belief that you are somehow a majority.

You are right about the new leadership is what matters and they will make a decision one way or another.

24 Apr 2024 06:11:30
Ahmad. The whole site is made up of people who skew stats to support their argument😂.

24 Apr 2024 06:52:32
Ahmad

Funny but I went to a game a couple of weeks ago and people around me said that subbing Garnacho caused problems. I am going tonight as well. As to very few wanting ETH out, many buried their head in the sand and said we would never vote Brexit.

One credit to ETH is that he has brought young players on, that is true. I dislike intently when he threw one under a bus in post match interviews, whilst ignoring his real problems.

One perspective is the difference between ETH and SAF. When SAF won a cup final but did not play to the standards he said It was a “disgrace of a performance. Our standards have been set long ago. No way can we take any glory from that. ” ETH is lauding getting to the cup final.

24 Apr 2024 07:05:27
I was at the game too at the weekend and the mumbling in the crowd and in the lounges before game at HT and full time were the disgust at the inability of ETH
Virtually every pundit is saying he needs to go, now ETH managed to also alienate all the press too, he does himself zero favours now he got the audacity to be saying in 10 years he got the best out of every team and he won lots, the man is totally deluded like I have been saying since Day 1 he got small club mentality.
Yes some of the players not good enough, but they are doing what ETH is telling them to do, hence why they all lost belief in ETH they all know he is just not up to it.

24 Apr 2024 11:09:57
Ahmad you announced at 3 2 on live chat you couldn't watch anymore and that you were off to watch the golf. Just like all the other plastic fans.

24 Apr 2024 12:01:52
Well remembered Tumble.

24 Apr 2024 13:13:23
What has Brexit got to do with Eric Ten Hag? Is Brexit his fault too? 😂.

24 Apr 2024 13:58:34
Wazza

Happy to explain, like those saying there is little dissent amongst fans for ETH, people said that no one would vote for Brexit. Some can’t hear, some can’t listen, some choose not to hear.

24 Apr 2024 18:07:34
Aye Weed, he did. But you also posted on live chat, twice, that the game was won and we were off to the final. Whilst I agree that that should have been the case, counting chickens prior to witnessing a fat lass even tuning up to sing tends to make one look foolish. 😉.

24 Apr 2024 22:10:05
I don't feel foolish because I was wrong about a football score deary me.
If I was good at guessing then I'd be onto paddy Power not live chat.

25 Apr 2024 00:08:58
Some on here should switch off for a couple of years and come back when the process has moved along a bit, the squad is unified, and EtH is still there lifting trophies with Mason as our top scorer.

25 Apr 2024 22:43:17
Fans forgive throwing a lead away and just about pulling out a win. especially in the fa cup. that's what's its best known for.

But its happened loads of times this season and that against cov was a final straw for some. tbf tho, losing a comfortable lead numerous times is on the players, complacency must play a part in it. The players need to keep their discipline. ETH got us to 3-0 with 20.minutes left. hi input didn't cause the 3 goals conceded.