20 May 2021 21:46:36
Ed014, you post some great stuff but your vendetta with GDS is unnecessary. Seriously, why is he winding you up so much?

Here’s a thought, look at how many likes posts get and think about who is getting them and who isn’t. I really don’t see the issue, there are far more arsey posters who get a free reign on here, I hadn’t realised the Eds were now deciding who gets to post. As has been said a lot this week, this site is losing the fun element.

{Ed014's Note - he doesn’t wind me up in the least AJH, Its just I have deleted a number of abusive posts from him directed at me and given him plenty of slack. It’s also not a vendetta fella.

I’ve done that because it’s important to have differing views but he’s just such arse and has been for so long and for no need.

He struggles with others views and is often just stupidly sarcastic and talking down to others. I’ve deleted numerous posts of his of that nature.

I’ve done the same to him to show him what its like and he doesn’t like it.

We do get to decide who posts as that’s always been the case AJH. We do it for nothing and I endeavour to be honest in any and all my replies with what I see across all the pages I edit but we don’t have to take abuse anymore than anyone else should.

It gets very emotive on here and people don’t want to hear a differing opinion and GDS2 is one who can’t hack it. So he gets abusive, on one occasion blaming it on having had a drink. I was born at night AJH but it wasn’t last night.

I don’t want to stop people posting but there’s a point when they’re just taking the proverbial.

I don’t think there has been a period on here when everyone was on the same page, even in the Fergie era and the lack of genuine forward progress is immensely frustrating and makes it difficult for people to stay relaxed about the situation but we both no that’s not easy.

1.) 21 May 2021
20 May 2021 23:56:33
So what's the point AJH? He is a likeable poster because of the likes he takes? So you went that far that "likes" is the criteria? What about people that like his posts being arses too? What about that? I am not saying they are, but you can't come here telling Eds not to attack someone because he is a good and likeable guy because of the likes he takes.

I am here long enough to know everyone well enough, posters and Eds. Most of them are good and kind people and i like them and i like debating but first of all learning because here its like a big footballing school. I have slightly changed my view on football because of 001 and in transfers with 002, we have an unbelievable amount of accurate informations here in this page that i am glad to read (and learn) every day. I am reading this site every single day and all people are good with the odd argument and the odd attack (to another poster) .

But one of the people that systematically plays the victim, abuse others and have problems with other posters and Eds is GDS. I am not saying i am an angel myself, you can accuse me too for being unkind sometimes because of some nerves if we loose etc, but i know the limits and stop (or apologise) . But more importantly i am not hypocrite to play the victim.

I find Eds answers to him very kind based on the circumstances and i am surprised with their patience. And what we all must have in mind, is that these people are here to help us, freely for most of us, and they have the "red" button and could oust him out of the site whenever they wanted. Its their site at the end of the day. But they didn't and that's earn my respect even more. So instead of attacking them show some respect and make their life easier.

2.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 00:41:42
Trying to censor the folk you don't agree with AJH?

It was yesterday telling me to stop posting. Then trying to dismiss posters as flat earthers because we don't line up with your views.

Now it's eds turn in the court of AJH.

As for the posts with the most upvotes. Shappy is either the 5th Beatle with his fans or he likes to pat himself on the back so upvotes mean nothing.

It seems to be the pro Ole side of the argument are the ones constantly getting upset. Iv lost count of the posters who make grand announcements that they're leaving the site. It's always them who post trying to silence everyone.

3.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 05:25:09
Is it that time of the month for you Tony? 😂😂😂😂.

4.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 06:19:02
Fair play Ed, I guess we only see what gets posted, nit what gets sent. I shudder to think what you must see.

Mumbles, I wasn't asking you to stop posting mate, just asking you to vary it a bit. As for up votes, my flat Earth post got a lot which must say something, and no, I didn't like it myself.

{Ed014's Note - GDS is having a couple of weeks break AJH so he will, if he wants, be back.

I don’t want to stop posters contributing and I have given him plenty of chances.

He just needs to accept that people are not stupid, they have their own minds and will say what they see.

Mumbles is a top poster and will explain exactly what he sees and not get bent out of shape about it.

If he sees the same thing week in week out he’s going to comment on it, he’s not going to paint a picture that isn’t there.

You yourself make some great contributions but just have to accept with the large amount of posters on here, many are going to be different.

It’s a great page AJH and still think there is a lot more good stuff posted on here than the doom and gloom a few make it out to be.

The truth of it is and I referred to it before, even when you were winning people were having vastly differing opinions, so it’s really no different.

Embrace it for what it is, hang in there and keep posting.

Have a great day mate. 🙂

5.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 06:34:55
Personally I think Ed14 has been very good so far, good honest views and prepared to give good feedback.

The idea that the number of likes should be the decider is like saying the number of likes on Twitter shows who should form the next Government. It’s called an echo bubble.

I mentioned months ago there is an element of cancel culture on here, don’t like an opinion try to jump on the poster, shut them up, devalue their opinion. I may not agree with people but I will debate with anyone. Everyone should be able to express an opinion but it’s how you react to it that matters. In a way this is a microcosm of the outside world on here, opinions are only allowed if they match certain people of a particular political persuasion. The day we all glibly sit here and not be allowed an opinion, a differing opinion is when we all may as well pack in. That’s no fun.

{Ed014's Note - thanks Redman, much appreciated.

6.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 07:28:27
Red Man, I agree. I am also happy to debate with anyone, I just get very frustrated at the relentless negativity sometimes, and the endless positivity from others. This place should be fun and interesting as well as critical, lately we have lost some of that.

7.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 07:43:12
There are times when honest views and opinions upset some people.
As for the likes its farcical.
Great thread at the top of the page and there are views on both sides of the discussion 5 or 6 posts and no likes for anybody.
If 2 certain posters join that thread they will have double figure likes at the end of the day they simply log in and repeatedly like their iwn posts.
Ajh you have seen threads where a poster writes a long essay with 12 replies none of which agree with the op yet there are 15 likes its a little bit sad. Do you think all 15 agree but don't post any sort of post? You are not that naive surely.
So gds2 had bin sin binned for a bit and not for the 1st time, he may well reflect and feel he has been out of order and tone down his replies.

8.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 08:29:50
I don’t know Ken, but from the days of the predictions comp I know I used to get over 150 entries so there’s a lot of people read and probably don’t comment.

9.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 08:45:34
I know exactly where you are coming from AJH, but when I log in a see posts trying to paint our current situation as a good one I think it's farcical. Its like a second hand car salemans trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

The site divides people. We were winning leagues but arguing about Rooney. Arguing over who should be bought. It's always been the same.

I think you're coming from a good place but you can't try and end the debate by telling one side to stop. Your flat earth comment in sure was tongue in cheek but you're painting people who don't like the manager as people who defy logic and science. Aristotle didn't hypothesize that the earth was round and Ole was a competent manager. There's not centuries of evidence to contradict us.

I get frustrated watching our team and I get equally frustrated with what the manager consistently says. This site is so good because it's not an echo chamber. I post something, the only things you can do is either reply or ignore it. Let the eds worry about the rest.

Ed014 is a straight shooter. Iv never read anything that's taken me aback. Most of the eds were posters at one stage. I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk on being a moderator and a poster. But he does it really well.

Anyways Tony we're all on the same side and we all have the same destination, your map there is different to mine is all.

10.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 08:47:17
I think its important to remember that sometimes what is written can be misinterpretated by the reader in all innocence. Its a fact in modern day correspondance, ie. texts, autocorrect on devices ;but sometimes things can get a little out of hand and become way too personal.
All the eds remember do this for free and indeed I am sure we are all grateful for the time, effort and info, but banter and straightforward dissagreement is fine but any thing directly insulting is not. I personally have a bit banter with Shappy about his essays, but I hope it is realised as fun and not venomous in any way! that's the way it should be imo, so although we may not always agree with each other its courtesy that makes this page stand out from others.

11.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 09:03:24
I know atleast 8 of my colleagues who access the site regularly without posting.
Therefore there could be many such users.

12.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 09:52:32
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to express it how they see fit as long as there's no abuse. From my point of view the only frustration is that there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement of the 'grey areas' - if you want Ole out then he does nothing positive, if you want Ole to stay then he does no wrong. In truth we all know that he has got some things right and some wrong, but this is rarely reflected in peoples posts. Rightly or wrongly I start reading Redmans posts believing that it will be an 'Ole out' post in some way and I can pretty much guarantee who will reply with the relevant 'Ole in' post.

In truth the only thing we are all likely to agree on is that we want United to be winning the biggest trophies and playing the best football. We will have different ideas of how this should be achieved and should be able to discuss it and make reasoned arguments. We should also be willing to accept that we won't always (or ever) agree, and that's ok, but no-one should be naive enough to believe that they are always right and know better than everyone else.

13.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 10:19:33
Good post AA, I think I sit in the grey area. I’ve bigged Ole up and I’ve also given him stick but your premise is spot on.

14.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 10:31:07
Exactly AA.
Nobody here knows better than anyone else 99% of the time.
Don't get offended if people post stuff you don't like or agree with either ignore or reply with a counter point.
With regards to grey areas football managers are no different to politicians in that respect.
If you are not Conservative and you want Boris out you generally won't speak about the good elements of his tenure.
I can see a couple of positives from oles tenure but imo they are so dramatically outweighed by reasons to fire him that i don't focus on them.
I do not like this united team 1 bit and its not the players or owners that are causing the dislike its the manager and his approach to my mind he is destroying most of what i hold dear as a united fan.
So when you get to that level of dislike then there are few positives to find and speak about.

15.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 08:14:02
Ed014,

I often post what time see. But I also take time to reflect on other people's posts.

At times we can be blinded by our own dislikes for players and fail to give them the recognition that they deserve.

Some if the posts on here, Including those from the EDs quite often show how different our views on a player or a game can be. Sometimes a different perspective can allow you to see the game in a different way.

This is a cracking site. At times I find it amusing. Long may this continue.

{Ed014's Note - all very true MH and it is a cracking site and we as Ed’s do our upmost to keep it that way.

I know I spend a lot of my own time just trying to ensure posts are up as soon as possible as I think that gives you more of a feel of a genuine chat with other posters rather than waiting hours for a reply.

It’s just often work getting in the way of it! 🤦‍♂️😂

16.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 11:52:52
Weird, Ed014 is such a lovely guy. 🙄😂.

17.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 12:49:19
Lolll, I've stopped watching United until Ole Leaves and this site has so many posters posting same tripe everyday.

18.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 13:03:15
Good post AA but the funny thing is that although we all theoretically want the same, which is to play the best football and be the best team, some people doesn't care if we have one of the best managers or not.
I think for some people (i think and wish it is a minority) it is more important to feed their egoism rather say they were wrong. So we hit a point that we hear that "althought he will not be the manager to take us the League he is not doing a bad job" etc. When someone thinks that he will not give us the league title it should be end of the story. No ifs no but.
Is he doing a good job? Well, if can't give us the title then no.

19.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 12:51:21
Lads it's a great site. I wish I had more time to post and read the varying opinions, as of late I haven't been on but only down to time.

The only thing I dislike is the sniping, sometimes personal. I just don't see any need, it's only football in the end

Ed014, you've been a breath of fresh air with your posts and no nonsense talk. I can't imagine the amount of posts you have to delete or edit.

{Ed014's Note - thanks angel 🙂

20.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 13:11:33
ED014,

You and all the EDs thanks for the time and effort you put into these sites.

{Ed014's Note - thanks MH

21.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 13:17:09
I mean it would be a boring place if we all agreed all the time. The important thing is to appreciate not everyone holds the same view as you and its completely okay for them to be wrong or misinformed.

I try and remember what it says at the top of the page, "banter". I don't think or at least I hope fellow posters are posting things in the light hearted meaning of banter. At least I do, sometimes I'm serious in my view, sometimes I pull peoples leg as I find it funny. I'm a little sad like that. But it's always meant in a good natured way, never with bad intentions.

I assume that is how everyone else posts as it doesn't really do my mental health any good to think otherwise. If you want to get your knickers in a twist then go for it. I mean we are all just sad weirdo's arguing on the internet about something none of us have any control over at the end of the day.

I don't want to see anyone stop posting, but if that's what you need to do for your own sanity then go for it.

I just see us all as a big dysfunctional family.

22.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 17:35:09
Feck off shappy. you are proper nuts brother😁.

23.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 19:35:38
And Ken as the weirdest and saddest of us is the king of the page😂.

24.) 21 May 2021
21 May 2021 21:10:54
Weird I agree but definitely not sad I'm a very happy chappy. 😆.

25.) 22 May 2021
22 May 2021 12:07:00
I for one barely use or notice the likes anyway. Most on here are top posters and everyone can get defensive on their own viewpoints, been like that myself. I've had my run ins with posters who appear antagonistic on here before like jred for example, but have learned to accept his and other people's views and ways they come across without offence as its black and white in writing, sometimes the tone isn't there. All of us are capable of having a and day but no need to abuse anyone in any way, all support the same club. I for one value the Eds time and contribution as I'm sure we all do, let's not get to in our own heads on views one way or another.