30 Sep 2021 08:48:34
i know ronaldo will get the praise for the win last night but cavani what can i say,

his workrate is class, for someone his age to run not stop, hounding and pressing the other team, players like pogba and martial should take note.

his desire and passion to win the ball in the build up to the goal was the sole reason we won last night.

i would love to see ole go old school and play a 4 4 2 with ronaldo and cavani up top.

play greenwood and sancho wide, mctominay and bruno is cm.

1.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 09:04:18
bolger2, the moment you bring in Bruno/ Pogba in CM you know who plays next to them - the one the only Fred the red.

No matter what formation he plays it's going to be the same.

2.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 10:02:40
If we had 11 players on the pitch with Cavani s passion and intensity there would be no stopping us. He missed that header (what a cross that was) but when he chased that ball down when Ronaldo gave up and then his fight for the ball for the winner . wow.

3.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 10:33:12
Agree chaps, old school warrior. If he doesn’t get in the team Saturday it’s an absolute disgrace, he epitomises what we should be about.

4.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 10:44:36
Ronaldo get's all the glory for the goal but he was anonymous pretty much all the game and if he does'nt score he offers nothing much in terms of leading the line .

It was so easy for them to pass out from the goalie and right through us for large spells last night . Little or no pressing from the front three, Pogba missing in action in the middle and it was so easy for them to target Dalot all the time .

He's not the greatest defender in the world but i felt sorry for him last night as he was getting no help from those in front of him and despite this being obvious early on Ole did nothing to try and change things .

At least with Cavani and Lingard on the pitch they finally provided some energy and pressing and put the Villareal defenders under some pressure for once.

5.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 10:51:11
Bolger - agree that cr7 will get the headlines but he was not in the game until cavani came on . DDG made 5/ 6 quality saves and was realistically the reason we didn't get hammered. Dalot, mctom, pogba and bruno were dire and again the tempo of the game was geriatric!
I thought the game was crying out for vdb to get minutes as we lacked in so many areas it was very hard to watch. Ogs got away with it by bringing on cavani and lingard which if he had the cahunas and the mental strength he would realise and start v everton probably in a diamond mid or 4-4-2.
ON THE 150 MILE JOURNEY HOME THE TOPIC WAS JUST WHICH GAME WILL BE ogs last.

6.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 11:13:47
Funky what makes you think or have you seen that makes you think DVB is good enough and what last nights game was crying out for? How on earth does this player keep getting better and better in peoples eyes when we have seen nothing at all from him to suggest such.

7.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 11:23:51
Good thread lads, if Cavani can press from the front and demonstrate the required energy and desire to put the opposition defenders under pressure I don’t know why the rest of them can’t. In my opinion all our problems were due to being too passive when not in possession and not putting their defenders under any kind of pressure. We did it in moments during the game, most notably when Cavani came on but such is Utd at the moment it wasn’t sustained and I have no idea what the game plan was last night.

Can someone explain to me what Pogba’s role was?! Mctominay was poor but at least you could see he had been asked to hold his position in midfield. If I’m being honest he was left brutally exposed and was left with too much ground to cover on his own. Bruno still played as a No10 but what Pogba was doing I have absolutely no idea.

Dalot didn’t play well but he got absolutely no help from Greenwood or the midfield. Yet another game where there was no link between the defence and attack!

Bilko - excellent post mate others may see it differently but that's exactly how I assessed the game last night pal!

8.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 11:30:40
Jackamus, I have not seen enough of DvB to make a judgement but I woulld like to, although Ole sees him in training often enough and obvs does not trust him!

Looking at last nights game, we do not commit to the press and our front players do not work back. You could have the greatest holding midfielder/ s and still get over run, until the likes of Bruno, Pogba and even Ronaldo are coached correctly and work back effectively as a team, we will continue to be poor.

Look at Ings last Saturday, he worked so hard, as did the rest of the Villa team, he was not stood upfront waiting for a Hollywood ball over the top, they all worked together, as a unit. We do not, we are top heavy.

9.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 11:41:11
jack- our forwards namely ronaldo and greenwood, sancho, made space and movement time after time only for the midfield failing to find them- time after time. Bruno tried, unsuccessfully as did mctom on a couple of occasions as well as pogba, who is played on the left at imo, the expense of others being out of position, to play balls in. The first half, we were limp with not a decent shot on target and the second wasnt much better until later on when personnel changed. Vdb was known to play am and slot passes through the lines at former club and international level.
Regarding what I think- its a site of opinions and imo a 40m player sitting on the bench that COULD provide an option is worth trying rather than stick the full match with something that wasnt working. As it happened, subs were made and we went on to win a match that for the majority of the time we didn't lok like doing. We won't truly see him if he isn't played but that's a common critique of the manager: hisreluctance/ inability to change when things aren't going right- that is quite a lot of peoples opinion, on here.

10.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 11:46:24
Jackamus - probably because our midfield is horrific. I credit most Utd fans with being an intelligent bunch and they can recognise a decent player when they see one.

VdB has never been given a fair chance. He normally plays in a weakened team having not kicked a ball in weeks and in 18 months I don’t think he’s even started two games in a row. Despite your protestations he’s actually played ok when given the chance. He was motm against Wolves last game of last season and motm against West Ham last week. Ok he’s not prime Roy Keane or Paul Scholes but with our midfield in disarray surely he deserves a run in the team so we can at least make an informed decision. I presume what most fans see is a good technical midfielder that could help us keep possession of the football and be an effective conduit between defence and attack. If your judging him off a few sporadic starts and substitute appearances generally in the last 5 minutes of games then you’re not giving him a fair chance either pal.

Jrred - another good post pal.

11.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 12:07:51
you only have to look at the Guardiola / Aguero situation at City .

Guardiola was one of the best strikers around great scoring record but a typical poacher . Guardiola refused to accept that as being enough and got Aguero to work hard and press along with the goals.

Ronaldo is our number 9 for the next two seasons at least and that's not going to happen, because of his age

I looked at PSG the other night and they have a front three who probably won't do an awful lot of pressing but behind them they had a hard working three in midfield of Verratti, Gueye and Herrera to compensate, whereas we're carrying a passenger like Pogba, and the likes of Fred and McTominay don't have the quality on the ball of Verratti or even Herrera.

12.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 12:08:03
DLIB. Ole and his bunch of merry men have seen him in Training for 18 months for gods sake, surely if he was a superstar or even in the making even other players would be saying he got to play, but no……. He gets brushed of the ball in the premier league he is too weak I have not seen him play anything other then sideways or backwards and let’s be fair the king of sideways and backwards passing Louis van gaal don’t even pick him for national team, so I have to disagree.

13.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 12:34:16
Jackamus - It’s all about opinions mate, I’m not saying he’s the answer but we paid £40m for him and with our midfield not functioning I’d like to see him given a chance so we can make a proper judgement.

I personally don’t buy into this training ground conspiracy. If you listen to some reports Amad has been brilliant in training yet got nowhere near the first team. Many call Ole a PE teacher so can we really trust his judgment. I don’t think we can have it both ways and as far as I know there is absolutely no evidence to suggest VdB is a poor trainer.

We’ll agree to disagree pal!

14.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 12:43:16
Jackamus, if the inaptness of Ole and his coaching staffs is anything to go by then rest assured their judgements are just as inept.

15.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 13:17:40
Jackamus,

We saw VdB getting very frustrated last night. He hasn't been given a fair run in the team. Look at how poor Pogba has been yet Ole always made a place for him in the team. After a couple of seasons under Ole he found some kind of form.

It does appear that Ole perhaps didn't want VdB and he may have been forced to accept his signing by those above. He clearly has no future at the club and it is appalling how he has been treated. I glad to see him have a paddy. He showed more passion than most of the players who play week in and out.

I hope the club let him go in January.

16.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 13:36:25
Donny has played only 5 mins this season in EPL lol.
Is that enough to judge him?

He was our best player in the EFL game.
Just need to give him consistent game time to prove himself.
McFred have been awful this season.

17.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 14:03:02
TRD,

In your opinion he was the best player in EFL, I entirely disagree.

18.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 14:04:52
The thread started with the well-deserved praise of Cavani. At the moment, our best front three is Ronaldo at LW, Cavani CF, and Greenwood RW. Even last night Ronaldo and Cavani interchanged some.

On van de Beek, he deserves more of a chance. I don't think he gets brushed aside. Offensively he just has played too safe with his passes, and defensively, he lacks the explosiveness to close down quickly. He has shown more aggressiveness this season already. Ole needs to sit Bruno or Pogba more often, and not let them be automatic first choice after giving the ball away so often.

19.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 14:05:55
Dlib I’m not saying he is a bad trainer, he might be worlds best trainer just don’t possess the ability in this league.
TRD no not enough to judge him 5 mins this season, but he played more then that last season, and had one average game end of season at Wolves is that the level we now judge on!
I’m not saying he been treated great I’m not saying he been treated bad but what I am saying he gets talked about on here as if he the answer to all problems and the limited chances he got he not set the world alight, too weak too square or back passes, even the king of square and back passing Louis don’t pick him for Holland.

20.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 15:45:18
He does'nt play for Holland because he's not playing regularly at club level and to be fair to him, i don't know whether he's up to it or not but at least he deserves a run of four or five games to show what he can do.

21.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 16:39:04
But Bilko, he played a game last week and his contribution was losing his man for the goal they scored, so risking him for 4-5 games as you say could develop into 4-5 loses, if Ole and his gang don’t trust him why would they take that gamble! They clearly don’t see anything in him so whilst they are manager and coaches you have to accept that decision.
I don’t agree much of what Ole does at all, but I can understand his logic there, after all he really does want what’s best for United, no one can doubt that, but he just not up to the job, in his own mind he is!
I’m not sure how the poster above likened Pep dealing with Aguero as a example either, city played a high press and all about winning ball back soon as you lose it, Ole don’t play with a press at all, it’s nothing like a full press maybe one player does press the rest watch, so not a good comparison.

22.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 16:44:12
Bilko if he was as good as everyone seems to think, I’m sure Louis would get him in, but sadly he ain’t no Ruud Gullit in his prime he is an average player and not no saviour to our problems.

23.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 19:27:14
Bolger - I would love to see 442 or perhaps 352 with Ronaldo and Cavani up front. Both are world class and great work rate. Clearly they may not last 90mins but we have great options from the bench in Rashford, and Greenwood able to play up top too. I'd go Rashford / Sancho on the wings in a 442 and Greenwood as the supersub.

24.) 30 Sep 2021
30 Sep 2021 19:53:42
Some of you need to watch the match again, Ronaldo didn’t create space or offer any type of movement for anyone. Someone even suggested he had great work rate? He was absolutely atrocious, martial would of been chased out of town for a performance as lazy as that . Watching first half snd the reason a lot of our play is sideways is he doesn’t move, doesn’t look to run in behind. Don’t get me wrong we all love him but sentiment aside I want to see my Manchester United work a lot harder than that, it starts at the front . Cavani is everything I expect from a United forward. Changed the atmosphere in the ground just by enthusiasm and desire.

25.) 01 Oct 2021
01 Oct 2021 07:50:29
Chris1. But would Martial have scored the goal…… probably not, would martial have 2 defenders watching him all the time…probably not would Martial be in and around the box all the time causing havoc…. Probably not, ridiculous comparison……. you don’t have to run around like bull in a China shop to be a great Player, you play to your strengths exactly same as Messi does for PSG now and done for Barcelona for years, great players find space without even moving.
Cavani different animal that his game, I even see someone on here yesterday questioning his finishing because he missed a chance…. unbelievable

Fred runs around more then most, does that make him any good!

26.) 01 Oct 2021
01 Oct 2021 14:01:48
Jackamus,

You ask why would Ole and Co. trust DVB with a four game run in the team?
well they've trusted Pogba with a lot more than that despite him being pretty brutal a lot of the time and also being at fault for us conceding goals due to not performing his defensive duties.