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05 Oct 2021 07:19:49
So Shappy, Fergie would not turn against His adopted child of Ole you told me yesterday, when I told you, you were again WRONG, you said now way. so I had to wait 24 hours for the news to be made public, so now what you going to say?

Jackamus

1.) 05 Oct 2021 07:54:00
This constant point scoring is getting pretty childish and boring. Grow up lads.


2.) 05 Oct 2021 08:29:10
Fergie is the GOAT but I'm conflicted about his comment getting out. One part of me thinks he's right and his frustration must be boiling over looking at some of this dross lately (actually since he left LOL) . The other is a moral thing where he's had his time at united and should not be seen at nearly every game. Of course a winning manager would dispell him to history and of course there's the Glazers who are parasites. Sir Alex is probably the only one at the place I actually trust. hence my conflict.


3.) 05 Oct 2021 08:40:59
Why shouldn't sir Alex attend every game he wants to? Get a grip.


4.) 05 Oct 2021 08:46:25
Fergie is a large part of the reason we're stuck with the Glazer parasites, he's the reason we ended up with Moyes and probably a large part of the reason we currently have Ole as manager.


5.) 05 Oct 2021 08:46:25
Fergie is a large part of the reason we're stuck with the Glazer parasites, he's the reason we ended up with Moyes and probably a large part of the reason we currently have Ole as manager.


6.) 05 Oct 2021 10:40:59
Bilko

SAF is I believe a football Board/ board member is he not? A Board member is clearly at odds with the decision of the manager. Whatever you think of the situation, that is now an issue. It also gives an insight that there is not full unequivocal support for everything Ole is doing. Maybe it is only one decision, maybe it is nothing to do with SAF, and will be up to the Football Director, yet SAFs comment hits home pretty well at Ole’s decision on Saturday.


7.) 05 Oct 2021 10:43:25
Fergie gets eights seats for each home game, useless fact for you.
I think Fergie goes to as many games as possible because this ambassadorial role used to be done by Bobby, but since his diagnosis I don't think he is unable to attend matches as he once did.


8.) 05 Oct 2021 12:08:25
SAF is the football board member who brought us Moyes as manager, you can be damn sure he was behind the decision to bring in Solskjaer as manager originally and also had a big say in giving him the permanent contract, so perhaps his judgement in these things is'nt flawless

Perhaps part of the reason he wanted the likes of Moyes and Ole was because they would be deferential to him and he would still maintain control in a way

Also SAF would have been the first to say, in his many books lectures and interviews about the art of management, how important it was to back the manager in public etc. and yet here he is hanging the Man Utd manager out to dry in public because OLE had the cheek to not start Fergie's favourite boy in a match .

That's world class hypocrisy from Fergie if you ask me.


9.) 05 Oct 2021 12:17:02
I have missed something, but was the quote not an overheard comment from him taking to khabib? If so, who knows the context, or what went before or after it.

To extrapolate from it that a board member doesn't support Ole is a bit of a stretch.


10.) 05 Oct 2021 12:25:57
Jackamus, ultimately when Ole gets sacked one of us will be right and one of us wrong. If he goes before Christmas then you win, if he holds on until after Christmas then I was right. Let's just leave it there.

Dodgy, exactly. People don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of someone disagreeing with something someone does and still support them.

None of them obviously have children who make decisions that they disagree with. Because if they did I'd find it very disappointing if they would no longer support their child because of that.


11.) 05 Oct 2021 13:14:51
What gives you the right Shappy to pick a cut of date to claim your correct… quite unbelievable you are.

{Ed014's Note - gotta admit it was a good try by Shappy! ???


12.) 05 Oct 2021 13:28:15
Ed014 Shappy. He lives in his own little world…. Bless him…. but somebody loves him!


13.) 05 Oct 2021 13:38:30
Jackamus, this whole back and forth all started because I said I didn't think Ole would be sacked this side of Christmas, and that he would more than likely stay as long as top four was achievable.

You disagreed and thought he'd be gone much sooner. Saying that the walls were closing in on him and you thought he'd go in Oct/ Nov.

I've gone with my later date of Christmas rather than your earlier one of November.


14.) 05 Oct 2021 14:21:01
Where did I mention dates? Your the one who always mentions dates, you even nailed down a date when Sancho was going to come good…. You were saying he would not go this season in fact, now you have halved that prediction.

You seem confused lately, as I’m still waiting your explanation for yesterdays accusation!


15.) 05 Oct 2021 14:52:24
Dodgy

Seek out the recording of SAF conversation with Khabib not just one response then decide for yourself on the context.


16.) 05 Oct 2021 17:29:38
Wait a god damn minute, who are any of you to infer any of this mess is down to sir Alex? And to start the slagging of the greatest ever manager. Give your heads a shake and then get them out your arse.


 

 

02 Oct 2021 16:31:52
You also have to question how poor we were for that goal it's our corner which is wayward then Fred gets brushed aside (twice) all other defenders are scattered here there and everywhere and DeGea standing still, everyone of the back 6 we're awful for that, that's poor coaching, that was not only time our defending was comical with no one knowing what the other is doing.

Varane was also poor today, mind you he must have been a bit chilly with his gloves on, you wait till it gets to January MR Varane, bet your wish you was back in Madrid by then if your not already!

All these players can't really be this poor ok some are and a few are brainless but lots of this is down to terrible coaching.

Jackamus

1.) 02 Oct 2021 16:42:15
As always players played like 11 strangers on the pitch.


2.) 02 Oct 2021 16:52:43
Varane was very good today, our man of the match I thought, literally won every header, don’t think he made 1 mistake.


3.) 02 Oct 2021 16:53:46
11 expensive individuals thrown on to a pitch with no clear plan or tactical nous at all.

I wonder how many minutes we have actually played well this season.

How many minutes have we dominated per game overall.

I can see the tide turning against Ole with each passing week now.

Not a fan of the availables - Conte, Zidane or Blanc but Ole is taking us nowhere.


4.) 02 Oct 2021 17:02:39
This morning I wondered how long it would take before the word 'Fred' appeared in a negative light today.


5.) 02 Oct 2021 17:05:33
If the useless Ole clown truly loved the club, he should do what is the best for the club and quit and take his backroom staff with him.


6.) 02 Oct 2021 18:03:57
Cant blame the cbs thwy were up for the shhambles of a corner.

Again fred yet his still plays every week

Same thing every week, its getting to the point again where i cba watching us. Untill top 4 is off the cards he will still be in a job.


7.) 02 Oct 2021 18:30:26
It's quite simple, Fred has to do better. He was in position and able twice to stop the counter attack. No way can the player and ball get away from him to continue the attack.

Now to add some context to that statement, I actually thought Fred played well today. He made several good plays, both with and without the ball. He put a cross in fir cavani that should have been a goal. Made a key interception when the OT crowd cheered him. In the first half he made several quick passes that helped to move the ball quickly into more dangerous areas.

However, he has to do better for their goal. He goes in too weakly with his body challenge, then tackles with his wrong foot.

Not sure why DDG (who has been incredible this season) seems frozen by the shot either. But Fred has to hold his hand up to that one.


8.) 02 Oct 2021 18:31:24
Don’t think that Bolger, it’s not all about Top 4 let me tell u

TBH I thought Fred did not have a bad first half by his standards

I don’t just blame CB’s I blame all the defence for the defending but I blame the coaches for the lack of organisation even at a corner.


9.) 02 Oct 2021 19:40:42
Ask yourself this would Kante, Fernandinho, Fabinho or any other top class CDM have allowed themselves to be brushed off the ball TWICE in the way Fred was in the build up to their goal.

If they couldn't win the ball cleanly then they would have taken down the man, commit the professional foul and taken the yellow card. But then the score would have still been 1-0.

Sometimes the team is just caught out, players out of position and the opposition have a chance. That's when you commit those cynical professional fouls. Especially if you aren't on a yellow already.

Ultimately Fred had two bites of the cherry to win us the whole 3 points, and he missed with both chances.

If we had signed a Declan Rice or a Ruben Neves in the summer then they would have taken down the player, took the booking and we win the game.


10.) 02 Oct 2021 19:50:34
I'm not even sure that Fred was ever a so-called 'CDM'. He seemed to score a lot more and make much more of an impact for his previous teams, which shows you just how woeful those leagues are.


11.) 02 Oct 2021 21:09:53
Fred is a liability. Him and Ole are costing us badly.


12.) 02 Oct 2021 21:23:07
Everyone saying Fred should have fouled him. That's because we all know the result which is we conceded.

Was it a clear chance? No. Was it a very dangerous counter attack? I wouldn't think so because even if Fred lost his challenge, the Everton player was not going direct at our box in which with a simple shoot or pass would create us problems.

It was not a counter attack too dangerous so you have to commit a foul and take a yellow card so although he could do better I don't blame Fred so much.

Everyone was at fault at their goal and especially Shaw for me because he was the one he should go close to Townsend. Instead he went the opposite direction. That said it was also a good movement for them so well done.


13.) 03 Oct 2021 07:22:09
Herrera,

Isn't Fred in the team just to do that?

He is in the team because for Ole he has the energy and gives more protection to the defense but when he fails to stop a quick counter by not committing a professional foul higher up the pitch when he had the chance to then he gets the blame.

Yes the other players at the back didn't cover themselves with glory but Fred was too weak with his attempted challenge in the first place.


14.) 03 Oct 2021 13:28:29
He is there to do this in dangerous situations. Fred didn't think the situation is so danger, neither us (the fans) i think. We blame him so much because we know the result which was we conceded.
I don't think Fred is good enough but i will not blame him for the goal so much.


 

 

01 Oct 2021 08:00:54
GDS, AJH. Seems I am not the only one questioning Sancho was the correct signing now, newspapers picking up on it too with double pagers about him, not showing any quality in our games plus the 20 odd caps for England only 3 average performances from them too, along with his list of misdemeanours whilst at Dortmund, don't read too well, along with the blubbering when he was subbed by Ole a few weeks ago, suggest a big time Charlie if you ask me who is not quite as good as he thinks! but maybe like you say he will come good, once he adjusted. we will see, but I still don't see it.

Jackamus

1.) 01 Oct 2021 08:09:20
Well if the newspapers say it then it must be true.

I’m happy to make my own opinions than read newspapers so I’ve no idea what they say. united ‘news’, especially bad news, sells papers, so they will jump on anything. It’s been a month and he’s a kid, he will be fine.


2.) 01 Oct 2021 08:09:21
Jack, he's only been here a few months ?

Papers picking up on it? Is that the English papers who are incredibly astute and knowledgeable?

I didn't think Sancho was the right signing but I'm sure as hell not going to cast judgement on his United career after a handful of games. The majority of which, he has been played out of position.


3.) 01 Oct 2021 08:15:24
If people look back I was, as usual, given stick on here for suggesting Sancho was not the right buy. However now we have bought him he needs to settle in, be given time. I keep banging the drum but he was bought for the right yet the Norwegian fraud plays him on the left. It would also help him to settle in if he was part of a better plan, played where he was bought for, the tactics were better suited to his game. Right now we and he are not allowed to get past full backs, he and we must pass inside. Added to this is the overall lack of a team structure, amply shown on Wednesday.

Therefore, whilst I wouldn’t have bought him, I think he is getting a rough ride overall when taking into account multiple factors as above. If the team has more organisation and structure he will do better, yet he won’t do that sat next to DVB.


4.) 01 Oct 2021 08:26:21
It’s only a guess that he was bought for the right side! I’m sure if your best part of 80 million pound player was getting a tough time which he is, you would play him where he might possibly shine, surely even Ole would know that, but I dare say he can’t play him on the right because with AWB there that’s a disaster down that side, because you ain’t getting no quick one-twos with AWB that’s pretty much guaranteed.

A Kid he is 21! In footballing terms you need to be showing something now but oh yes your possibly right that would explain the blubbering on the bench for being subbed……….


5.) 01 Oct 2021 08:28:05
Just another Memphis I’m afraid.


6.) 01 Oct 2021 08:38:05
Sancho has a known attitude problem. I remember reading a report where Sanxhonhad apparently admitted he struggled to get up on time for training sessions.

It is important to remember that he needs to adapt to the EPL. Look at Timo Werner, prolific in the Bundesliga, but poor in the EPL. Some players take longer than others.

For now, we shouldn't be writing Sancho off. The papers are just adding to the pressure that Ole is already under by questioning the decision to sign Sancho.


7.) 01 Oct 2021 08:49:16
Personally I said before that I thought we could sign someone else for half the price who could do the job we needed on the right but leave funds available to strengthen other positions as well.

I also said on balance that Sancho was the best available option on the market.

I rate him and think he can be an excellent player for us. He just needs time to adjust and to build up a relationship with his teammates.

I think too many people hear "winger" and have this idea about an electric quick player who takes on players, dribbles past them then lays on chances for the centre forward on a plate. If that is your idea of a winger then Sancho isn't a winger.

He's more like a No.10 who starts wide then steps into the inside channel to find space and links up with his teammates. He is all about playing one twos, little give and goes, slipping balls through or around the corner. He rarely crosses the ball. He's quick enough but there are probably 5 or 6 players in our squad that are quicker than him. He's more of a technical dribbler, keeps the ball close to his feet and faints past players rather than Bale type dribbler who just knocks the ball past the player then beats them with pace to the ball.

He's fairly similar to Emi Buendia in his style of play, although with a higher ceiling. My thoughts were we could sign Buendia and Neves for the price of Sancho and felt that over a the deal for the two players strengthened us more overall.

Yet could of, should of, what I think or anyone else thinks is irrelevant now. We got Sancho, he is an excellent player, yet to play at his best he and his teammates need to be on the same wavelength. They aren't yet, but they will be at some point, I'm confident of that.

Ignore the papers, they love nothing more than an ABU story and always look to pick holes in our club. If you think the same way as those "journalists" then I would really wonder what you consider "supporting" your club really means.


8.) 01 Oct 2021 08:51:39
Sancho is worth the investment for the next 10-12 years.
He is finding his feet and will adapt with more games under his belt.


9.) 01 Oct 2021 09:06:22
Sancho will never ever be at the club for 10-12 years that’s a pipe dream….

Sorry Shappy I will ignore the papers and only listen to you in the future as you know best you even know what months a player is going to come good and you even now know what supporting a club means to everyone else

I see what I see, that’s what my eyes are for.

He may possess talent but as you well know a sportsperson needs so much more then talent to be a winner I’m afraid……. Lots of talent gets chewed up for a variety of reasons, being a superstar in your own head is one of them.


10.) 01 Oct 2021 09:17:59
been here 2 mins already getting the abuse.

we are not playing to sanchos strengths, the build up is slow, we often give him the ball after he's made a run or has got into space,

theres a reason he was so good in germany, dortmund play fast. quick passing and play the ball into the space.

we dilly dally to much and both wingers suffer, untill this changes he will have more performances like this.


11.) 01 Oct 2021 09:19:58
Raphinha at leeds or sarr from watford. They could have both been signed to play on the right wing after both acclimatising to english football pretty well.

My only worry with sancho is what happens when rashford comes back, will he get the donny treatment?


12.) 01 Oct 2021 09:48:36
Sancho playing on the left until rashfird gets back, then front three of Rash, Ronaldo and Sancho.

Sancho playing left as who else is there? Clearly doesn’t trust martial anymore.

Do t worry. Will all be better once the saint gets back.


13.) 01 Oct 2021 09:50:10
well, everyone cried out for a "right winger" and we got one to play on the left; give the lad a chance folks- if you continually kick someone when they're down the majority will stay down!
personally at this moment i am more concerned about awb alleged breaches of discipline and the fact that the only cover we have is dalot.


14.) 01 Oct 2021 10:33:00
Why are people making a big deal out of Sancho playing on the left?

Where would Greenwood play, if Sancho was on the right? He would be benched, and that would be a wrong decision, since, at the moment, Greenwood is better.

I suppose things went like this:
We bought Sancho for right position, and Greenwood was suppose to play as a striker, where he would rotate with Cavani. But then the option of buying Ronaldo emerged, which put Greenwood back to RW and put Sancho at LW, where we don't have a proper player and where he played before. Simple as that.


15.) 01 Oct 2021 09:59:13
Ed 014 I was wrong, it wasn't bruno next to be the scapegoat it's sancho!

He's a kid, never played in the premier league before, and the team isn't exactly flowing. Give the lad a break. Any wonder other clubs find our fans embarrassing at times.

{Ed014's Note - I had a feeling he might be, patience not found in large quantities on this page though mate.


16.) 01 Oct 2021 12:01:11
Sancho needs time. The ronalso signing was opportunistic and has caused problems bevan we didn't clear out.
For me the only 2 forward that must play are cavani and ronaldo. That should suit wole as he doesn't trust youth.


17.) 01 Oct 2021 12:02:40
I’ve not seen much yet but he’s been here 2 minutes. The amount of knee jerking and judgemental posts is tiresome. He’s a kid, United is a massive club and some players struggle to adapt, some never adapt. I have no idea how things will work out for Sancho but I’m prepared to give him more than few games to find out.


18.) 01 Oct 2021 12:04:25
A few years from now, it is supposed to be Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho across the front. For now it has become mighty complicated with Cavani and another Portuguese fellow who are demanding more minutes lately. It's October 1, no need to pass judgment on Sancho yet.


19.) 01 Oct 2021 12:07:48
Wonder how many people wish we had Raphina now. The league's most in-form player, for fans of fantasy footy anyway. To be fair just as many people wanted Sarr, who has fizzled out like a damp turd after a decent opening few games.
I guess all we can do is give Sancho more time but to say he's been underwhelming is an understatement. Maybe we've over-estimated the standard of the defenders in the German league who he was tearing up in previous seasons, or over-estimated the player himself, who didn't look great for England either.


20.) 01 Oct 2021 12:27:07
Cavani and Ronaldo could easily play together, both intelligent both got the experience both great players, will Ole go for that…who knows would not make too much difference having no wide players because we don’t actually put many crosses in anyway!
But he been 3-4 years developing the current system (whatever that is) so hardly think he going to change now.

He will be getting his shopping list ready for January to add some more to a bloated squad, although if Dalot goes we might have no Right back at all come January!


21.) 01 Oct 2021 12:37:02
Zid, well that’s something to look forward to if that’s our front 3 in years to come Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho. Suppose be ok if the new rule comes in of No Headers!


22.) 01 Oct 2021 13:20:18
Spenno,

Can I play against you at fantasy football? Raphinha isn’t in the top 20 on form and Sarr has scored 3 in his last 2 games, some fizzling out that is.


23.) 01 Oct 2021 15:39:25
My bad GDS2. I don't play those games myself but just read the Sky Sports headline - Raphinha: Leeds winger knocks Mohamed Salah off top of Premier League Power Rankings chart. I have no idea what Power Rankings are!


24.) 01 Oct 2021 17:25:08
Haha who knows, sky sports news is unwatchable these days.


25.) 01 Oct 2021 12:07:16
Ed014 80 million don’t buy a lot of patience I’m afraid especially when he shown very very little this far, you have to agree there should have been a glimpse or two by now of something!

But then winter coming DVB will get cold on the bench so Sancho will be able to keep him warm, the most expensive blanket in history!

Because the other ONLY A KID (younger) Greenwood is playing much better at moment and can’t see Sancho keeping Rashford out.

{Ed014's Note - he came with a great rep albeit in Germany, not the toughest league and he’s not responsible for the money paid which was probably excessive to be honest.

You can only give him time though mate, fans start slaughtering him at matches and that’ll just put him further back.


26.) 01 Oct 2021 14:05:02
Ed could you honestly imagine modern day fans when fergie was trying to build something.

Good to see your lot starting to improve, starting to see a bit of progress or have the results been papering over cracks, a bit like some of ours you could say?

{Ed014's Note - I’m not convinced by us yet mate, don’t know if you saw the game but Spurs were woeful, pretty much abandoned midfield and we made hay.

I was expecting a tougher test and Saturday night will definitely be against Brighton.

Honestly think we are both flattering to deceive and I’m not convinced by your guys yet. It just doesn’t look right.

Varane has shown that medals count for nowt in the prem too, he’s not looked good at all.


27.) 01 Oct 2021 21:33:28
I was starting to agree with all of your posts but you ruined it with that last paragraph Ed, Varane has been good for me, he’s won almost every header into the box and looked very classy on the ball. He’s made the odd error but nothing really disastrous and seems to have settled quicker than many other signings.

{Ed014's Note - sorry mate but he’s not looked good for me, been way out of position more than once, ball watching to allow the attacker to get in front of him and score and caught in possession the other night which luckily didn’t lead to a goal.

Harry Maguire wins headers ?‍♂️


 

 

30 Sep 2021 16:49:58
Well another game over, more moaning done and rightly so, we now move back to EPL on Saturday who would be surprised to see back to McFred, and Cavani on the Bench Pogba back to the left and more of the same, will Benitez outfox our master tactician! Surely not, but who would put there mortgage on it?

Jackamus

1.) 30 Sep 2021 17:05:39
It will definitely be Mctominay and Fred on Saturday.


2.) 30 Sep 2021 18:49:18
One day the team we have on paper might play to their abilities. We have seen glimpses, but not enough of them.


 

 

28 Sep 2021 07:48:43
Newspapers reporting today we not only need a quality DM but also need a proper Right back at last people are seeing the light aleluluah

What surprises me it took them so long to realise, even Ole and the gang finally realised in the summer hence trying for Trippier

But does show another 50m wasted by Ole, and could go with the 80m potentially wasted on Sancho.

Jackamus

1.) 28 Sep 2021 13:49:34
We need both those areas addressed, but if ole is still in charge then whoever we buy will look distinctly average.


 

 

 

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05 Oct 2021 13:33:39
Hopefully Everton buy DVB not loan him.

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23 Sep 2021 19:57:40
There is a big for sale list I think
Henderson
AWB
Telles
Dalot
DVB
Lingard
Bailly
Fred
Martial
Plus some Free’ please take aways.
Carrick
McKenna
Ole

There is no one above united would miss, none of above are good enough.

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06 Oct 2021 12:38:46
Although Ole spouts all the time This is United we look to win every game, on many occasions he don’t seem to set up with the same conviction as what he says!
Mind you he done that for past 3 years
He also says no we see a big future at this club for X, Y, Z then does not even give them an opportunity as with Jesse he goes out on loan plays out of his skin gets his confidence up, not allowed to be sold comes back gets few odd mins here and there and then nothing so the confidence built up for loan is slowly being chipped away at again! Yet people say Ole’s attribute is man management! Strange man management.

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06 Oct 2021 07:26:56
Ole would pick his coaches not the club, so he might be happy with what his got and not want them changed and he probably pushed for there new contracts, and club have to back him.

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05 Oct 2021 15:36:04
ED014. Don’t mention Southgate, I’m still not sure Ole and Southgate are not the same person anyway, have you ever seen them in the same room!
I’m not sure out of the two who colonel who!

Grim are you really saying England are good to watch? They not won anything so we won’t bother with that question, but you like to watch England?

Jackamus

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05 Oct 2021 20:33:47
But played no one before the final either!

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05 Oct 2021 17:34:14
I never said conte was my man I already said his football would not be great what I was pointing out is you said he only does something because he walked into a good team……
Ole spent more the Conte and he nowhere near winning anything.

Like I said ZZ left first time because like he said he was exhausted, Per done it before remember…. 2nd time he left may have been because he knew ageing players needed replacing but no cash, it happens does not make him a quitter.

You think in your own head your the Wikipedia of all clubs throughout the world well that’s fine but it’s only in your own head and don’t try so hard to pass your trivia of as facts because it’s not, I know why you do it, and it may work for some of the sheep!

Jackamus

{Ed025's Note - calm down jack you are taking things too personally mate, its a banter forum which is all about opinions...take a chill pill..