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06 Jul 2014 22:40:33
Wayne Rooney will be the new captain of Manchester United. I just know it. Thoughts?
1.) Think you may be very disappointed my friend.
2.) I'd be delighted with that. He is a senior player, reliable, a leader, always gives 100% and he's a fanastic player who will start games when fit and playing well.
Rooney is the most suitable candidate.
3.) Why not, it could keep him motivated and on top of his game. If him and RvP can click next season we will destroy defences.
4.) Reliable?
5.) Syd - You want to give Rooney the captaincy to keep HIM motivated?! Surely the role of the captain is to keep the TEAM motivated amongst other things like transmitting the coaches requirements onto the field, (I know Rooney speaks double-Dutch but being an orator is not something I would associate with Wazzer), why wouldn't Rooney simply be motivated by doing the job he is paid to do, (well over paid)? He is hardly a leader of men, he doesn't even have a 100% starting place, nor does he lead by example with his on field antics - Mr Give Away.
If we are building new foundations then the leader needs to be somebody the squad can trust and rely on to pull them through the tricky games, Rooney vanishes when the going gets tough and only perks up when it's contract renewal time. RVP leads by example with his class and will start, but isn't going to be around long term, I would go for DDG - he will be a fixture of our team for the next 10+ years barring any surprises and he will be the foundation our new team is built on.
Even the most hardcore of Rooney lovers must see that giving him the captaincy is lunacy at this time, it is sending out the completely wrong message. I hope he pulls his finger out and warrants it, but he will most likely be bench warming if not sold and he is hardly an example for the youth, more often than not he is out of shape.
6.) I have no issue with either RvP or Rooney being captain.
7.) Yeah because 300k a week wouldn't be enough to motivate him! Poor Rooney!
8.) So Rooney vanishes when the going gets tough, yet Van Persie leads by class. If it wasn't for Wayne Rooney standing tall amongst the runis when Ronaldo got his dream move, the downward spiral would have been further accelerated. You keep talking Bobbins I am afraid Beast.
Deeps.
19 Feb 2014 03:45:51
I like many United fans are not happy with the way this season has gone so far. But unlike most, I do think that there is a bit of an over-reaction as well.
First, let's get something straight. Fergie's retirement was always going to be tough. Expectations of being the front-runners for the championship was being too imaginative. This season was always going to be a struggle, no matter who the manager was, in my opinion but having said that I also believe Moyes made it tough for himself as well with the summer transfer window and the change of the backroom staff etc.
Second, I feel whenever a new manager goes into a big club he needs the senior players and/or the leaders to be on his side. Look what happened to Mourinho at Real Madrid towards the end or to AVB at Chelsea. With the Ferdinand interview and the Rooney saga, Moyes had work to do in order to win the locker-room. There have been signs of a better atmosphere in recent weeks.
Third, Moyes' tactics this season have been debatable but we also have to keep in mind that because of players like Valencia and Young, he has been unable to modernize the style of play. The signing of Mata may point to a more modern 4-2-3-1 formation. The likely departures of Evra, Vidic and the deadwood will help Moyes to establish a different style of play next season.
Fourth, Wayne Rooney has been a great servant for Manchester United. Should he stay or be allowed to leave is another debate but what I admire is the fact that Moyes has been able to make him fitter and been able to get more out of him. Has this had an effect on other players?, i.e RvP. That is something that is behind the scenes and more than likely never to reach the fans.
Fifth, the future does look good if you look at the shape the squad is taking at the moment. The signing of Mata and Fellaini (Still to prove himself), the rise of Januzaj, the departure of Fabio and Anderson, likely retirements and sales of other players, that are not upto the mark. These all are signs that Moyes is looking to change the squad and replace them with better players.
Sixth, the likely arrivals that have got us fans excited. The Vidal's and the Reus' of this world. Will we sign world-class players for huge money or not, remains to be seen. But one thing is for certain, Moyes likes to be really sure before signing a player and that can only mean good things because he would have had a whole season to scout players and really make up his mind about who to sign come the summer.
Seventh, We all wanted world-class managers to replace Sir Alex Ferguson, but a decision has been made and we should support the team. Because remember, David Moyes if successful will remain for a long time unlike Mourinho or Pep. He is looking to build a dynasty, just like Sir Alex. And for that to happen we the fans have to patient. Just ask yourself this, Is it better to be successful in the short-term by spending huge money OR build a team to be successful for a longer time? Is it better to be the Chelsea of 04/05 (spent millions) or to be United of 99' (Built a team over a 4-5 year period)?
Lastly, the way our rivals for fourth place, are playing at the moment, it is highly unlikely that we will get 4th place. But could that be a blessing in disguise? I hate to admit it but look at Liverpool. The first season under Rodgers was not all peachy, but this year they have been better and are challenging at the right end of the table. I know a season without Champions League football is not desirable but it may be able to help us.
Whatever happens. History has taught us that United always comes back. We will be back again. Not arrogant, just better.
1.) DB23, your well-written and balanced post deserved a response from either side of the Moyes divide, if only for the effort you made.
For what it's worth, I pretty much agree with everything you've written, but unfortunately posts like this get lost amidst the hysterical, lynch mob posts, and suffer from some people's inability to concentrate for more than a nanosecond.
2.) Db23
I will support the team without question and have done so even during relegation however why do people believe we should just blandly wait for success to come back when it is far far from guaranteed because of the selection of manager? When SAF arrived at OT he had a winners CV, doing incredible things with Aberdeen, also he inherited our club in a poor state but we knew that he knew how to win, so deserved the time given.
SAF's winning experience meant he displayed the knowledge of when and how to take a chance and attack yet Moyes has never known or shown how to get over the line. Observing his teams there seems to be more about not wanting to leave the team exposed to losing. For me that is one difference between decent and top management, fortune favours the brave. Players and especially top players know what brings success they know pretty quickly whether the methods being used will work, have worked before, that belief in the managers skills is vital. The fact it appears two key players in Vidic and RVP are not happy should ring some alarm bells because once players don't believe it means they are not giving their all. It is all very well saying bring new world class players in, take Kroos for example, playing under Pep and then comes to Moyes. Will he believe in the methods that have yet won nothing? He may get a pay rise but he is a real winner and if Vidic RVP don't believe why do we think a Bayern player schooled under Heynckes and Pep will believe in someone with so little relevant experience?
I note your Rodgers comment, done well so far and from the start we could see the direction he wanted, more than could be said for us, yet he has won nothing yet. At the time of his appointment Liverpool were struggling in the league and struggling to appoint and attract a really top manager, a far cry from our position in summer. We should also remember how Liverpool decisively dealt with Hodgson when he had a disastrous start.
You mention about whether a dynasty is better than Chelsea's example, well Chelsea have done very well without sticking with one manager. Stability for stability sake will get us nowhere, a winning stable manager can be good if they don't become stale. For me we went for the stability option without proven ability and that is a very high risk strategy, just giving more time doesn't mean success is guaranteed.
3.) Red Man, I don't see how it is a high-risk strategy.
He gets an 18 month period of rebuilding the team. If he fails, he's out the door, and we're left with hopefully a few good signings, and a good core of young players. Hardly a nightmare scenario.
One season out of the running, does not constitute a crisis, for a club in the financial position we are in, no matter what some of our more emotional posters think. Players will still come, even if we have to pay a bit more (it'll be karma to the Glazers for years of underinvestment in the team).
There will be very little long-term damage, if any, in allowing someone 18 months to rebuild and see if they can take us back to our previous level.
"just giving more time doesn't mean success is guaranteed"
No it doesn't. But I would suggest changing managers every 6 months, generally, does even less to guarantee success.
Nothing is guaranteed in football, that's what makes it such an enjoyable, unpredictable ride.
With all due respect, and I genuinely don't mean any offence by this, you sound like a businessman trying to equate the rules of football with the rules of business, which would maybe explain your frustration.
4.) StevieK
You really seriously don't see how it is a very high risk strategy appointing someone with nowhere near enough experience to do the job? Would you let a surgeon operate on you without having the experience?
Then tell me how many successful businesses would appoint a senior position without the necessary experience or having demonstrated the skills needed at the level the job required?
Take a look at Liverpool post 1990 and see what can happen.
Changing managers has not done Chelsea any harm, however appointing the right manager, the manager with relevant experience in the first place makes all the difference.
If he fails then in 18 months we are suddenly a long way down the pecking order and let's hope the players he has spent all our money on work out.
Every further day with him at the helm is a continuing major risk.
5.) You see, Red Man, comparing managing a football club to performing surgery, is the sort of over the top analogy, that has people getting their knickers in a twist.
It's really not the same thing, when you consider the potential of failure in both areas.
02 Feb 2014 22:45:55
For everyone laughing at Manchester United, allow me to tell you a story. Railway workmen came together to play football once and dared to dream. A dream to make something more of their lives. That is Manchester.
The team lost its first ever competitive game 6-0 to Bolton Reserves. It got relegated in its second season of competitive football. In January 1902, it was asked to shut down because of debts. It didn't.
Instead it came back up and won the league, a FA Cup and a charity shield 2 years later. That is Manchester.
From 1922 to 1940, United were relegated again and again and again. Faced with bankruptcy in 1931, United were on the verge of disaster again. Instead, the team held on and fought on. Finishing 2nd in 1947, 1948 and 1949; 1st in '52, 55 and 56.
It won the FA Cup in 1948 and became the first English team to play in Europe. It had to wait 41 years for glory. That is Manchester. A plane took off on February 6, 1958. To greatness it seemed. And came crashing down. 8 players died.
Facing despair and doom, the club fought on. It reached the final of the FA Cup that year. Without a first team, it plodded on and rebuilt. 7 years later, as the fallen 8 smiled from above, the team won the title in 1965 and 1967. And the European Cup in
'68. That is Manchester.
For 25 years it waited to win again, getting relegated, losing Managers and players as rivals laughed. It didn't fall then either. A league title in 1992, a double in '93 and a treble in '99. That is Manchester.
Blood, toil, sweat and tears. That is Manchester.
Our squad needs a reshuffle you say. Our tactics are outdated you say. You laugh because you think we are down. You laugh because you think we are lost.
We smile because we have seen(heard) it all. We smile because we know we will ALWAYS be back. Wins from incredible positions. Glory from the darkest despair. That is Manchester United.
Forever a Red Devil. Forever Manchester United.
1.) Amen.
Brought tears to my eyes.
There is Only One United.
2.) Very good, mate. Don't think I'll be able to remember it all when I'm arguing with my Liverpool mates, though.
3.) Excellent mate, and very inspiring. Perhaps you could email it to the manager, he seems to be somewhat lacking when it comes to inspirational speeches.
4.) That's all well and good but you forgot to say how some of the players after the disaster and could not play again were kicked out of there houses and that is the dark side of united and as mutch as ferguson was a great manager do you honestly think he gives a sh t about what us hard working and plus spending hard earned cash are thinking what I am trying to say is we all have faults but why should the fans be criticized if they give moyes stick if we do not like what we are seeing now
5.) Just want to point we waited 26 years . We should have won it in 92 but it was 93. We did the double in 94. Otherwise whatever happens with moyes etc we will be back.
6.) A red fan,
I'm beginning to think you are a Liverpool fan, some of your posts are getting a little 'troll' like. The OP is brillliant, it is saying that we have come back from a lot worse than 1 transitional season in our history and that fans should not be panicking. Then you respond by slagging the club off and negativity. Not the post to do it on.
7.) Very touching. That is sarcasm.
Redundant rhetoric aside, what's your point? Next time you have one too many shandy's on a Sunday afternoon, I suggest you sleep it off on the sofa. That is good advice.
GDS2, we get it, you are willing to accept a season or two of mediocrity, give it a rest. If you can't see why fans are unsatisfied at the moment you are as blind as your faith in Moyes.
17 Aug 2013 19:55:49
1. To everyone who thinks David Moyes will not be a success, please reconsider. I think this result shows he is going to work hard and our team is not going to be brushed aside.
2. People who want Rooney out of the club, he played just 28 mins today and got 2 assists. That's how important he is.
3. Welbeck is going to come good. Okay the first goal was a tap in but he was in the right position, at the right time. He needs to do that more often and the goals will come. The second goal was just brilliant. Shows the confident he has in himself.
4. Valencia looks more confident than he did throughout the last season. Let's hope he regains his best form.
5. Rvp. That guy is unstoppable. The first goal was great. On the second, I thought at the moment I wanted him to pass it Rooney, who made a good run but then he scored a screamer.
6. And lastly, I want new players to come in as much any other Manchester United fan but if for whatever reason no major signing is made, I'll support this team and every single player like I do every season.
Hoping this result is a start of a great era under David Moyes.
Thank You :)
1.) Good result but No. 23 was a waste of space
2.) So we won with 10 men did we?
09 Aug 2013 00:37:35
Rio Ferdinand has said that at the testimonial tomorrow, there are going to be a few surprises. Could it a major signing? Maybe Ronaldo coming home?
. Just trying to lighten the mood. It has been quite negative on this site. I am worried by a lack of players coming in as well but I have faith in the manager. I am pretty sure he will bring in 2-3 players by the end of the window. I don't think that Sir Alex (still associated with the club to an extent) will let the club go without signing anyone, because my guess is that he still has a major say at the club and obviously loves the club. Having said that, David Moyes will have the freedom to bring the players of his choice. Who-ever they may be.
Secondly, regarding the players that are at the club already. My opinion is that with the arrival of the new manager, every single one of them gets a clean slate. Including players like RvP (Best striker in the Premier League for the last two seasons) and like Anderson (Unfulfilled potential). I think that now everyone has had to prove themselves again. This has to be a good motivator for players. Also, with Sir Alex retiring and people thinking that United won't be the same, players will take upon themselves to make sure that this does not happen and that United remain the biggest club in England. This is the main difference between the two Manchester Clubs. City can buy all the talent they want but United have that mentality, that managers would kill for. That extra 20% that players are willing to give every single match, season after season. The late goals and comebacks don't happen because we're lucky, they happen because the players fight and fight till they get what they want.
So, everyone let's just remain patient and let's put our trust in the new manager and the players. This club is more than the Rooney's and the Ronaldo's. It's about winning and always coming up on top when we have doubters. They thought United were done and dusted when Chelsea won back to back league titles, they were wrong. They thought City were the new kings of England when they won the title, but they were wrong. Next season is going to be tough without the Great Sir Alex but we will still be Manchester United and we will still be the team to beat.
Not Arrogant, Just Better.
Manchester United Football Club.
1.) Not without ''Fergie'' your not,!
2.) Great post. I don' post often but I come on hear almost every day and this site really needs positive people like you. I think Ferdinand's surprise is going to be a little present for the people who came to the match or something, I don't believe it's about signings.
Nicolas_United
3.) Nicolas_United.
Thank You. I know it won't be about signings coming in, I was just kidding about that. And you should post often because we need to show people that we're the best fans in the world, that we will support our club through thick and thin. And most importantly that Manchester United will never die.
Nicolas_United.
Thank You. I know it won't be about signings coming in, I was just kidding about that. And you should post often because we need to show people that we're the best fans in the world, that we will support our club through thick and thin. And most importantly that Manchester United will never die.
Thank You for the replies.
I would like Rvp up-top with Ronaldo-Kagawa and Rooney behind him. This would have enough creativity and attacking instinct to scare any opposition. And if a match calls for wingers (Like under Sir Alex, the 4-4-2) we can obviously use Nani/Zaha on one side and Ronaldo on the other. I think if Ronaldo does come back, Young and possibly Valencia could be surplus to requirements. Why not Nani? Becuase I feel that he has the talent, only needs to be consistent.
It's upto him I would say. If he does stay fit and at the level of fitness that the manager wants, then I don't see a reason why he can't be a top player for us.
Very well said mate. I was kind of hoping for a screamer by Scholes towards the end, which would be the winner.
P. s, I've been a follower of this for a long time now. Love the work that is done by the Eds. {Ed004's Note - Thanks}
You would think that he now deserves a proper shot at Chelsea. You see news and rumours about strikers joining Chelsea almost every day, but they won't give their own young players a chance. What a ridiculous club.