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19 Nov 2018 17:08:04
so if rumors are true and the following of

dave the save


all either not wanted or don't want to be here are true where does this leave us,

we can't just go out and buy 11 players in one window.

i might be over reacting but it doesn't look good atm.


1.) 19 Nov 2018 18:11:07
Barring one or two that looks like just what we need. A clear plan, a clear out and significant investment.

2.) 19 Nov 2018 18:54:33
Things would look a whole lot better if we sold the majority of those players imo bolger.
I think you forgot darmian too mate. 😂
Ideally from that list ddg rash and martial stay. The rest won't be missed a great deal in reality they either don't play a lot or don't overly impress when they do or in the case of valencia mata and herrera there is no real significant improvement in them at this stage of their career.

3.) 19 Nov 2018 19:14:02
wouldnt have any sleepless nights if
All these left.

4.) 19 Nov 2018 21:28:37
We have probably never sold or signed anywhere close to that many first team players in a window. 50% of them will still be here next September.

5.) 19 Nov 2018 21:33:45
Also Darmian. Good post Bolger, you've simply illustrated just how much work needs to be done. It won't be easy shifting this lot either because of their wages.

6.) 20 Nov 2018 09:43:58
Also Young missed off.

Id only keep about 6 out of all of them.

7.) 20 Nov 2018 10:41:50
Also we may have to play the free transfer market. Aaron Ramsey for example should at least be looked at.

8.) 20 Nov 2018 11:52:45
It's obvious isn't it?

It leaves us with a starting 11 of:

Romero, Dalot, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Shaw, Matic, Fred, McTominay, Lingard, Lukaku and Young.

In a 433. Plus anyone we can sign, although we might not be able to convince many to sign if they see that many players jumping ship.

9.) 20 Nov 2018 16:17:22
Oh my word shappy all those players leaving and you still can't fit fellaini into your team. Maybe you should have the job above jose😂😂.

10.) 20 Nov 2018 23:50:30
Ken, Fallaini is on the bench waiting for the 70th minutes when we are a goal down.

11.) 20 Nov 2018 23:55:40
Don’t know why people are always quick to write Mata off our books. I know he’s past the point of improving but he still offers creativity where we currently lack it, gives 100% and consistently performs when played (which is hard to say of any United player at the minute) .

Would happily keep him as a squad player.

12.) 21 Nov 2018 09:40:43
Id keep Mata and Herrera. Good squad players. De Gea, martial, rashford are all must keeps. Pogba if he wanted to stay but if he doesn't move him on. The rest can go.

13.) 21 Nov 2018 13:14:17
Thats fair mort i'd agree with that.



26 Oct 2018 11:31:39
so martial apprently rejects a contract renewal why is anyones guess,

but if dave the save goes for a free we are screwed.

obviously its just rumours but we have to sign him up ASAP.


1.) 26 Oct 2018 15:21:40
I have a good guess why. Because since signing for Utd his career has gone backwards, he has been messed around, plays well one week dropped the next. See's players playing worse than him picked because of their name and simply has had enough.

He has played the past few games, how about his treatment the past few years?

Yes he has been a passenger quite often, but who hasn't been in an attacking sense (or any sense for that matter)? Martial has it all, apart from a look of desire on his face when he plays and he can be wasteful in possession (more to do with others not being up to it) . But Sanchez played week in week out, Lukaku plays week in week out and have been far inferior overall. Rashford isn't fit to lace his boots but if the manager had to pick between them he would pick Rashford every time.

Martial has been wasted, he is not half the player he could be and if he signs a contract with Jose in charge he is a mug. Shame as I want our best players to stay, but that is why he hasn't signed yet imo.

2.) 26 Oct 2018 17:20:53
Martial wants out Sanchez does pogba does ddg does .
What's going on?

3.) 26 Oct 2018 22:22:01
The brutal truth, I fear, is they are not queuing up to leave the club so much as to leave the manager. I think I would do the same if I were in their shoes.

4.) 28 Oct 2018 09:46:36
A player leaves and we are quote “screwed”!

No player or manager for that matter is above the club or too important to the club. We all want DDG to stay but if he doesn’t the club will replace him. Apart from DDG we have generally too many inconsistent players who seem flakey and want things all their own way. For years since SAF left we have lacked leadership on and off the pitch meaning players think they can get away with stuff. It needs addressing, clarity on who is in charge, the players or the manager. Take the not turning up for sponsors situation, it just highlights what a spoilt bunch they are.

Right now we need a firm hand at the helm, whoever is manager. I don’t believe we should change manager right now, but if we did do you really think the players will be allowed to carry on as they are? A strong manager would kick some out and they might be the ones who fanboys like, cue more weeping and vitriol. Players can behave like this when they think the manager is not on strong ground, they would probably play for a new manager for 12 to 18 months until something happened they didn’t like and it all starts again, we would then be like Chelsea.

If certain players are queuing up to leave, the club needs to be firm with them, manage them, get rid as needed, a player can never be bigger than the club, even the king was put on the transfer list by Busby.

{Ed025's Note - some good points there red man..

5.) 29 Oct 2018 10:44:31
red man the fact that dave has saved us at least 15 points per season for the last 5 years tells me how important it is to keep him.

how many keepers did we go through when the big dane left.

you could argue if we had a stong defense/ team but we haven't and we rely on him in nearly every match to save our bacon.

the chelsea game is prime example, pulls of a class save to deny luiz but our lack of marking and desire aloud Barkley to level it.

6.) 29 Oct 2018 15:08:30
He didn't save from Luiz did he? It came off the post i think, bolger. But yes, i agree with your point totally that we should try and keep him but if he decides to move on, i am sure there are other good fish in the pond. Its imperative that we find a suitable replacement.

7.) 29 Oct 2018 16:21:38
yes you are right, he saved the follow up shot that hit the post.

8.) 31 Oct 2018 10:26:01
Every team with title aspirations needs a top goalie. And they're certainly not ten a penny. Dave is the best there is. It could take years to replace him, just as it did Schmeichel. I wouldn't be so blase as to think we could replace him just like that.

9.) 02 Nov 2018 01:11:55
Neutral observer her but i'd tend to agree with RedMan - which is prob going to mean half of you will automatically disagree with him :-) But look how Shaw has improved since Mourinho gave him a kick up the backside. From the outside looking in, i'd say you have too many players who aren't hungry for success. Milner isn't the best player floating around but i'd take him over quite a few of your midfielders atm. Which is not to say Mourinho is blameless.

10.) 03 Nov 2018 16:01:55
An outsider. In as much as players power is not ideal for any club, Mourinho has a big portion in the problem at United. As a Chelsea fan it's not new to us as he always divide opinion even in the dressing rooms, set the players up against himself and then turn around to play the victim.
That said, Man United have so many quality players to be struggling this season, afterall the same set of players were the closest to City last season. The worst and the likely scenario is selling very talented players that would come back to hurt United. When United win it's Mourinho but when the results are not going well then he barbs his players openly. Naturally player will get agitated.
He's not the kind of manager that United need at this time IMO.



25 Jul 2018 22:56:45
Anyone else seen the apparent quote from maguire Saying he's confident of joining united. Paper quotes tho so highly doubtful but still a rumour.


1.) 25 Jul 2018 23:49:55
Let's hope not, imagine seeing a team sheet and we've got smalling Jones and Maguire in a back 3. I'd stay well clear of Maguire, I'm hoping were still pushing to get an alderweireld deal sorted with spurs as ed002 has said. i'd be happy at the moment with a left back and a center back and we can look at right wing in January.

{Ed004's Note - I really hope we do not sign Maguire. I reckon it'll be a massive waste of money and in a year's time we will be talking about his replacement like Lindelof this year}

2.) 26 Jul 2018 00:06:07
Agreed ed, everyone talks about how good he is moving forward but what's the point in that if he can't defend. or he's wandered so far out of position he's not there to defend? We've already got a left winger who is constantly tracking towards the ball rather than excerting any energy making runs behind that everyone seems to want to keep, we don't need anymore players who are tactically unaware of the position they play in!

3.) 26 Jul 2018 05:47:51
It's on the cards.

4.) 26 Jul 2018 08:50:05
Varane and Giminez aren't available, Alderweireld is. For me them three are the only three we should be looking at. Varane I even have concerns about due to his injury record.

If we can't get any of them three then stick with what we have and give Tuanzebe a shot. As to be honest everyone else is much of a muchness and none a significant step up when you consider the cost. Bailly has been very good for us, Lindelof showed during the world cup and in the last ten games of last season that he can be very good. Jones when fit has been solid. Rojo and Smalling have their faults but do a job. And I'll say it again, I think Tuanzebe will be a superstar and I think he is ready to start playing games for the first team.

Any centre back we sign this summer is going to cost 50m+. So we if we sign one they have to be one of the absolute best or none at all.

5.) 26 Jul 2018 09:41:25
Agree shappy but would add thatwe go for someone who can give us service for a few seasons so no 29/ 30 + year olds.

6.) 26 Jul 2018 10:28:15
We’ve got a left winger who keeps tracking back towards the ball because our play is so ponderous he hardly ever gets balls played in behind at pace that he can run onto .

And instead of us playing. a high press, we drop off and he ends up playing left back so that when he does get the ball he’s 70 yards from goal .

As for Maguire, we don’t need another Jones / Smallimg especially for the money quoted.

7.) 26 Jul 2018 11:21:59
Cookyman, I would sign Alderweireld if any. But yes, I would avoid signing anyone over the age of 27/ 28 if it was me. The vast majority of players we sign over the age of 28 them to struggle with adapting. Sure there have been a few successes, Sheringham and Matic spring to mind. However, the majority of our successful transfers have been younger players who could grow into the club and they have tended to adapt easier.

Centre back is one area though I would be fine with signing a 29 year old who already had many years of EPL experience under their belt.

As I have said many time I have high hopes for Tuanzebe, so signing someone who won't block his path for more than a couple of years would be fine as long as he has a good loan to an EPL team this season.

8.) 26 Jul 2018 10:23:48
Ed, does this mean that Lindelof has been written off, completely?

{Ed004's Note - I wouldn't say written off. I just think it's very unlikely he will impress enough to become first choice cb at the club}

9.) 26 Jul 2018 11:30:45
our play is ponderous because only 2 players put the effort in to make runs without the ball (mata and lingard) . martial needs to make the runs if the players are making the pass or not if he makes the runs and they don't play the passes its not his fault but if he stands on the lefts back, strikers, or attacking midfielders toes all game then it is. stay wide and run in behind its why liverpool looked so good last year all 3 of their attacking players were all over the place keeping width and getting in behind on or off the ball if a ball is played or not. this is the desire and passion everyone craves so much its not just shown by making tackles or fouls its about running yourself into the ground for the cause even if you don't get the reward.

10.) 26 Jul 2018 12:01:27
I take your point Shappy but I think McGuire has come in for some undue criticism to be honest.

It remains to be seen if he's a viable target but I think he'd be a solid addition to our team. From what I've seen he's big, strong, very good in the air and good with the ball. He maybe lacks a yard of pace and I've heard people criticise his positioning at times but that's something that can be worked on and will prove with experience. I think he's better than what we've got (maybe Bailly apart) . He's got good pedigree and actually played in the FA youth Cup final against us with the likes of Pogba and Lingard. He's continued to improve at both Hull then Leicester and maybe he deserves a chance to play at a higher level. Sometimes we get seduced by more exotic names but I think he's a good solid player, at the right age that will continue to improve.

I think Lindelof was signed for the right reasons but I just think he lacks the physicality for the Prem League. If Jose isn't going to play him then maybe now is the time to cash in. He's had a good World Cup and I'm sure we'd get our money back at least. I'd definitely cash in on Rojo. He's perpetually injured and apart from a 15-20 game spell where he looked half decent playing next to Jones he's been pretty unspectacular to say the least. I think both Smalling and Jones are solid squad players and have served the club well. I fully agree about Tuanzebe but I'm not sure he's ready just yet.

In relation to the Martial saga just let the boy move on. It's obvious he isn't going to flourish under Mourinho and I see little point in keeping a player that is unhappy and isn't going to help the team. He may develop into a very good player but at the moment he's just not quite there and has shown little interest in fighting for his place. His next move will be crucial and if he's hankering for a move to the likes of Real or Bayern I'm certain he'll find himself in exactly the same position.

Maybe some kind of swap deal with Spurs for Son Heung-Min would interest all parties. He works tirelessly, he can play in any position across the top three including striker and scores goals.

Utd need to start getting creative if we want to see some transfer activity this summer.

11.) 26 Jul 2018 13:18:01
Tuanzebe really doesn't look ready yet for me, lot's of potential though.

12.) 26 Jul 2018 13:09:31
I would be happy to stick with Bailly and lindloff and the back and go for other positions.

13.) 26 Jul 2018 12:45:15
DLIB, I have nothing against the less exotic named or seemingly less spectacular signings. In fact in my experience they are often the ones that work out best.

However, I don't rate Maguire all that highly, and certainly not enough to spend 50-65m on him. He is a solid mid to upper half of the table player. He is strong and he has a big head. However, his positioning and reading of the game is terrible and for someone so big and strong his headed clearances often don't clear the danger area.

Leicester have been a far poorer side defensively with Maguire than they were in their title winning season.

Maguire could work in a three man back line, but we would be left wide open if we played him in a traditional back four.

Also for someone who is touted as a ball playing centre back last season for Leicester he averaged 46 passes a game with a success rate of only 78%. Smalling who is slated for his passing ability averaged 40 passes with a 87% success rate. Admittedly the reason for those stats are Smalling passes tend to be safer passes while Maguire attempts the more ambitious passes. Yet what is the point if you give the ball away more more often than not when you attempt those passes.

I don't see the fuss, if he was French, German, Spanish, Brazilian or Argentine not only would be not get the hype he is currently getting, but he would never get close to an international cap, let alone be the cornerstone of a nation teams world cup bid.

Smalling and Jones received the same hype before we signed them, however, I feel they were better players than Maguire is when we signed them.

If we have to sign an English centre back this summer I would much rather we signed Alfie Mawson, maybe not as big a lump for the high balls to hit, but ten times the defender Maguire is.

14.) 26 Jul 2018 16:25:54
Shappy - The exotic name thing wasn't aimed at you pal. In hindsight I should have omitted that. I just think Maguire is universally underrated on here but by no means am I saying he's the finished article. I think he'd be a decent signing but I understand your reservations and take your point about him maybe not being a major upgrade on we've already got. Anyway this site would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion.

15.) 26 Jul 2018 19:36:00
Why would Spurs swap one of their best players in Son for an inconsistent player like Martial. Makes no sense.

16.) 26 Jul 2018 22:45:23
Personally I think maguire looks a decent player. Big strong. Young at 25. Delivered on the big stage.
Yh he's come from nowhere but who had ever heard of vidic or Bailey? Cbs grow with experience a lot like gks. If he's being rated by some of the top scouts and coaches in the world then surely he's worth a look?

17.) 26 Jul 2018 22:49:22
I love how a lot of people are writing him off yet he played almost every game for England and we got to the semi finals. Is he a flash big name no is he a very good defender yes. Is Tuanzebe or TFM ready nope. I’d get rid of jones to get Maguire.

18.) 27 Jul 2018 08:19:10
He played almost every game for England at the world cup. England did badly at the world cup they played tunisia, Panama, Sweden, and a James Rodriguez less columbia. When we came up against any half decent side we were convincingly beaten I don't get why people think we did well? We bottled it. As for Maguire being a very good defender no he's not he's not bad but he's certainly not very good he leaves his defensive line way to often and has to make last ditch covering tackles which for some reason he gets credit for rather than being told he was in the wrong position to start. Finally tfm played a full season last year for palace, Leroy sane said he was the most difficult player he came up against why isn't he ready?



16 Jul 2018 21:44:14
! The ever so trusting don balon suggests united will go for mbappe with a cash plus pogba deal.


Roll on 4 weeks time.




16 Jul 2018 17:56:24
Hi ed. I know you have just done a sharkpod and remember reading about madrids interest in Mata on another page.

Are they still interested in taking him this summer?

Love mata he gives his all and is such a professional



{Ed002's Note - No.}

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16 Dec 2018 18:53:55
I can take losing games but the way we play "football" and the way we looked not arsed on the pitch is a disgrace.

Jose and a long list of average overpaid walkers need to go.




08 Dec 2018 17:10:58
What's different the past 2 games why all of a sudden are players running and hounding the other team.

Energy passion and movement.

Where has this been all season.

Let's hope it continues.

Rashford again was fantastic and dalot. finally someone who can cross a ball.


1.) 09 Dec 2018 00:06:54
Because the meecenary pogba wasn't playing.



12 Nov 2018 14:48:28
so the Jose out talk has began again.

but realistically who could we go for. i can't think of any standout managers to come in and instantly change it.


1.) 12 Nov 2018 15:03:42
There are none. We need to rebuild. There is no manager who can come in and wave the magic wand and fix everything in a matter of weeks.

A manager who will play modern progressive football while developing young players is what we need.

2.) 12 Nov 2018 17:07:07
Shortlist of 5 plausible names that would fit the model:

Nuno Santo

3.) 12 Nov 2018 17:20:02
Allegri, Spaletti, Ancelloti, Marcelo Galllardo (River plate)?

4.) 12 Nov 2018 17:27:59
Zidane's playing style is very similar to what Jose does imo, sit back and hit on the counter, Jardim is average. Eddie Howe has done wonders with the squad he has, does he have that pedigree to manage Manchester United?
Pochettino is good when it come to Premier league games, but i see a completely different Tottenham team when they play in Europe.

5.) 12 Nov 2018 17:33:27
I really don't get the love in with Zoe and. I know he won the Champions League 3 times, but I don't think his style of football is overly attacking but he was blessed with Ronaldo who won games on his own. Can't remember much youth being developed at Madrid while he was there either.

I'd rather avoid him and (If we were to change manager) go for someone who actually fits what we want rather than being a big name - big names advent worked out well with players or managers recently.

6.) 12 Nov 2018 17:33:58
Marco Silva?

{Ed025's Note - keep your mitts off rohan.. :)

7.) 12 Nov 2018 18:09:03
Not interested in any manager until we have the right person in post as DoF.

Then we can set out our plans on scouting, youth development, player recruitment and style of play.

The DoF cannthen select the next Head Coach with the other Directors.

We need to be in it for the long term and get things right.

Don’t want the current manager sacked or to leave unless we have a DoF in post or ready to takeover.

8.) 12 Nov 2018 19:52:18
Bielsa? If he could speak English.
Or Allegri and the staff from the main structure of Juventus. I like the way juventus have played this season.

9.) 12 Nov 2018 20:08:43
I really like Howe but i think first the club needs to appoint a DoF and then he/ she will decide who the next manager should be. One thing i know for sure, the special one is not special anymore.

10.) 12 Nov 2018 20:37:33
Give someone like Howe a chance, ticks a lot of boxes for work on and off the pitch ready for a big job.
Same goes for poch.

11.) 12 Nov 2018 21:15:25
Shouldn’t look any further than Poch for me. Top manager who improves players, brilliant man management skills and his teams play football the right way. Don’t buy into the doubts about his trophy credentials. With all due respect, he is at spurs. They aren’t expected or demanded to win trophies year on year. United is a step up that he craves and I can see him doing very well here. Add a director of football and we have a basis to build and restructure. Ed has mentioned Paul Mitchell and that would work very nicely as I believe he has worked with Poch previously as head of recruitment at Southampton and spurs.

12.) 12 Nov 2018 21:53:46
We bemoan Jose for not being great with signings. Eddie howe hasn't exactly got a great record.

13.) 12 Nov 2018 22:28:32
Is that not down to Bournemouth owners 🤣
Doing a good job with the players he has tho .
Excellent off the pitch, modern ideas that tie to the current DNA of football ideas.

14.) 12 Nov 2018 22:37:29
Bournemouth get to spend about 35 million a season on average, and made two, maybe three signings in each of the last 3 seasons. Brooks, Aké, Cook and Begovic have been good signings. Can't think of the ones you're referring to, Angel. Maybe Ibe. Lerna's taken a while to adapt, but looks to be a tidy enough player. I can understand people having doubts about Howe's experience, but I don't think you can slate him for his record in the transfer market. Especially compared to José's last three seasons.

15.) 13 Nov 2018 06:05:57
Double standards jred? Howe’s poor record at signings is down to the owners and not him whilst our poor signings are due to the manager and not the owners? Convenient!

Zidane’s style is the same as Jose. The only reason he won 3 UCL titles was due to one person you might be familiar with. He goes by the name Ronaldo. Ever thought why Zidane decided to take a break from Real’s managerial position (probably the best seat in the world) all of a sudden? Was it down to the fact that Ronaldo was moving away and he knew he was nothing without that magician.

16.) 13 Nov 2018 07:23:43
Shan, you honestly think Zidane has such low confidence in himself?

17.) 13 Nov 2018 10:34:40
It was a joke 🤣
Who are all the poor signings?

18.) 13 Nov 2018 10:35:16
Shan mourinho also had the same guy to manage at real I wonder why mourninho failed to win even 1 let alone 3?

19.) 13 Nov 2018 12:47:54
CSM, by your logic, SAF should have won 6? SAF had Ronnie for 6 years. My post was not about Jose, so for once please take your head out of his backside.

Anyway, I am ready to bet that Juventus would be the UCL champions this season. One reason and one reason only – Ronaldo.

Moon, I honestly think that people should just sit back, relax and enjoy the game for what it is – A GAME. If you don’t enjoy it, there are tons of other stuff to be done, go enjoy that. I can't stand the fact that people have so much time to just ramble on and on and on about the absolute same thing day in day out. I bet people have had the same post repeated countless times for the past 3 years.

Guys, its just a game. Don’t make it a matter of life and death. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it please. Nobody will force you to watch. I myself have been the guilty party to this for several years but I have understood that there are better things to do in life than vent out my frustration on a keyboard. I understand that people don’t like Jose Mourinho and that’s each to his own and we don’t have to agree to like him. But atleast respect the position he holds right now – The Manager of Manchester United, the club we all love. He won't be here for a century. Simply take a break like the great Zidane and come back when Jose is gone. Just reading photocopies of posts does my head in. I used to be on this page for 3-4 hours each day. I hardly come on here anymore simply for the reasons stated. We have all lost patience as a community and I am certain that the next manager will also get similar treatment once the results go downhill.

I am not a Jose fan, I am a United fan. I watch United and I don’t care if the manger is SAF, Busby, Jose, LvG, Moyes, Poch, Pep, Klopp, Bielsa, Zidane etc etc etc….

20.) 13 Nov 2018 14:06:23
I agree with you but you never answered my question as to whether zidanes ego is so small he doesn’t credit himself fot setting records unlikely to be matched.

21.) 13 Nov 2018 14:39:11
So your solution to mourinho being a useless manager is for utd fans to stop watching us play.

About ronnie stuff, fergie won 1 and made another final in ronaldo's last 2 seasons with us, if we had prime ronaldo with us for a few more seasons don't doubt fergie would have won more, unlike mourinho who couldn't even make finals.

22.) 13 Nov 2018 14:43:40
No Moon, i don't think so. No doubt he is a good manager but i also think deep down he knew that without Ronaldo in his team, Real would struggle and ultimately he would get the sack just like the latest Madrid manager has. No manager likes to be sacked so its better to take a break.

He would ofcourse be credited for 3 UCL titles as a manager but as a human, we all know our capabilities. I am sure he never thought that he would win so much so early.

{Ed001's Note - Zidane left because he was told Bale had to be centrepiece of the side and Zizou wanted to offload him and buy some new players.}

23.) 13 Nov 2018 16:45:23
And Ed, if Ronaldo stayed, Bale would never have been central. Now i am not in the know and not challenging what you state, just stating what a normal human would.

{Ed001's Note - Ronaldo was always leaving this summer as he was unhappy and arguing over his contract. Again. And Madrid had had enough of him and decided his salary demands outweighed his usefulness to them.}

24.) 13 Nov 2018 18:07:02
Well said UA. couldn't have said it better. Moon, i hope UAs answer satisfies you.



10 Oct 2018 12:08:58
off the topic if jose.

do any of the eds know if we are planning renewing any of the contracts of the players that have a year left to go.



{Ed002's Note - The club will look to renew De Gea's contract without doubt, Shaw and Mata as well I would think. There will be options on others but the club cannot use them to profiteer - but if the club is to bring players in then they need players to leave so the likes of Jones and Smalling should head that list. But everything now will revolve around the mess the club finds itself in. Mr Mourinho wants changes made in January and for that to happen space needs to be made. But the witch hunt continues from one newspaper with the support of the toxics.}

1.) 10 Oct 2018 13:14:01
Let jose sort it out ed002 in my opinion. Sure he has not helped himself on many levels but i'd rather stick with him through this transition.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree but the issue remains of support being provided by the club for what would be a significant financial outlay.}

2.) 10 Oct 2018 13:47:58
Ken i would agree with you about sticking with the manager and letting him make these long term decisions but is that really sensible when considering mourinhos unstable situation.

3.) 10 Oct 2018 17:17:14
Tough question Dsg.
Its quite obvious to me and has been for some time that moving on some players from our squad is a complete necessity.
We have 6 to 8 players in our squad tying up wages that make no contribution and they need to be moved so that we can reinvest that money in players that can perform at a higher level.

4.) 10 Oct 2018 17:34:49
Thanks for info ed.

5.) 11 Oct 2018 06:32:19
Ed002, what about Herrera, Valencia and Young? Will they be let go?

{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in contracts.}



27 Jul 2018 01:39:14
So the quotes from luke Shaw I have to say are exactly the type of things i would want to hear as a manager

The guy wants to fight and earn his place.

I keep hoping he's going to live up to his potential. I feel sorry on the lad.

The shaw of 3 or 4 years ago was a breath of fresh air.


1.) 27 Jul 2018 06:30:15
Says the same every pre-season. By November he won’t have the stamina or Motivation and he’ll be gone.

Think I said it elsewhere, if he wasn’t English he’d be top of our wish list to be moved on. Fine to keep as back but we need a proper left back.

2.) 27 Jul 2018 07:57:24
Shaw looks terrified of doing something wrong. Don't think we will see the Shaw that we want to see under JM's jurisdiction.

3.) 27 Jul 2018 07:57:58
Apparently he has a body like Rooney.
If he meant at his age I'd be laughing all day. However if he is referring to Root in the recent past I have to say that I don't find that even mildly reassuring.
I actually like Shaw, but his comparison, like his alleged dietary habits do not do him any favours. I really hope that he will fulfil his potential, but he really can't be given many more chances.

4.) 27 Jul 2018 07:58:37
In the interview is says he has never been out of shape so to me it is exactly what we don’t want to hear. If he’s always been fit then he’s just dreadful because he hasn’t been good for 2 years, and if he can’t accepf that his fitness has been bad then there’s little hope for him.

He’s apparently fit now and been working on his fitness all summer yet he was the worst player on the pitch against Milan.

5.) 27 Jul 2018 08:14:08
Bolger, as much as i don't want to depress anyone. Shaw has played a handful of good games for United. We've had him 4 years and he's been an utter disaster and of course unlucky with his terrible injury. His defending is useless, his ball control is non existent.
So just because he's come out and said he wants to stay and earn a contract means nothing. In fact, in my book, it is a disgusting attitude as he's basically saying that I've been taking the piss for the last 2 years, but now my contract renewal is near, I'll try harder.
Bottom line, he's not a great roll model and not a good defender.

6.) 27 Jul 2018 08:50:35
I think some of our fans are guilty of falling for the media/ manager spin with Shaw. He hasn't helped himself for sure, but when he played last season he looked very good on the whole (had a couple of lethargic games but name me a player that doesn't for Utd), much more rope is given to other players that are 'rusty', everyone expects Shaw to come in and be match fit, yet that is a different thing to being fit. You could run all the marathons you want, but playing football competitively is a different animal to that type of fitness. The manager would play him, then drop him for several games having been one of our better performers, certainly nowhere near the worst.

For those of you slating his performances, have a look back at the games he actually did play - he offered a hell of a lot more than Young does, granted he lapses and could be trimmer - but I lose count how many games most of our team looked like shadows of the players they can be - seems to be a different rule for Shaw just because the manager doesn't seem to like or rate him. We all know how this manager has the team playing, but that is conveniently forgotten when it comes to laying into Shaw (an attacking full back remember) he is not a disciplined robot, why do we want that all of a sudden?

All we know for sure is what we see on the pitch, when he is actually picked he has done pretty well and given a run of games would improve a lot further for me. Too easy to lay into him, don't see the same of Bailly, who I think is being treated in a similar manner by Jose - playing well then dropped for weeks, then a bit rusty and dropped for weeks - yet Bailly is loved and Shaw is ridiculed, a guy that had a horrific break a little while ago and clearly needs games and support to get back to the player he was before that dreadful injury.

7.) 27 Jul 2018 09:10:32
Top post Beast.

8.) 27 Jul 2018 10:43:00
Sorry Beast, which player was he before his injury? He was here a year before his injury and was fat/ unfit the whole year. He was poor. Then played 10 games for united and he became a world beater? You say Jose isn't getting the best out of him, then how many could? Hasn't every manager questioned his attitude?

Its time to cut our losses and let him go. I have no doubts that he has the talents but he can go and excel at a club which has no ambitions and can carry a talented passenger who has more to his game than running quickly.

9.) 27 Jul 2018 10:59:21
The lad has played 43 times in 4 years. You can hardly say he has been given a fair crack of the whip.

Year 1, he was a teenager who moved away from home and made a massive step up. It was clearly a settling in year. He was steady when he played but not spectacular. LvG called into question his work ethic. Over the summer at the end of his first season he took a fitness trainer on holiday with him and came back looking fit.

Year 2, he started the season on fire, he was our best player up until he got injured. That injury 25 years ago would have ended his career. It was a massive set back and is the kind of injury that takes time to not just physically get over it but mentally too. No one could question Alan Smith's mentality, yet it took him several years to mentally get over a similarly bad injury.

Year 3, the manager who signed him had been sacked. The guy who replaced that manager was the guy Shaw turned down to sign for us. Was Jose bitter? Who knows. Either way, Shaw needed games and support to make his come back. What he got was little to no game time and repeated public slamming from the manager. His life style and his mentality brought into question.
Year 4, Jose gave Shaw 8 starts last season, with a further 3 sub appearances. He actually managed 5 games in a row for the first time since his first season (3 years) . By the 4th and 5th games of that run he was a solid candidate for man of the match in both games. He was then unceremoniously dropped and questioned again by the manager.

We are now about to enter his 5th year with the club. There was one picture during the summer that didn't look flattering, then two weeks later one that made him look in much better shape. According to the club he top scored in all the fitness tests in pre-season. So can his fitness really be brought into question.

Luke Shaw has clearly not helped himself, and several managers have tried to get a reaction out of him. People need to remember he was 17 when he started playing regularly at the highest level. I don't know about you guys but I was a bit of an asshole at 17, and my head was firmly up my own arse. He will grow up at some point and he may have already. Is it fair to keep judging a guy on comments made about him as a child now he is a man?

He has fought back from serious injury, he has lived with massive expectation, and he has had to cope with a manager who not only doesn't trust him, but appears to either not like him or have some vendetta against him.

If Shaw moved to Spurs at the start of last season I can garentee most people would now be claiming Jose made a mistake in letting him go. The lad would also have likely been England's LB at the world cup.

He showed last season that when played consistently he puts in consistently good performances. However, Jose won't let him do that as he would prove Jose wrong.

{Ed004's Note - Very good post Snappy. A comment in his interview, that in my opinion, is not getting enough media coverage is the fact that Jose messaged him to praise him for his work commitment during the summer and stated he has a few flaws that can be worked on..

I'm still very unsure on whether he has the commitment, mentality or technical ability to make it here. It just seems like it's going to be an annual debate about whether he is fit or not and I'm not sure he has the right mentality for a club of this size. Although, I suppose this can change as he matures. Additionally, his performances have worried me in preseason. He seems a very competent passer but so far his defensive positioning, his ability to beat an opponent and his attacking runs have been poor on tour. In the 4 years he's been here I can't recall many good crosses he's put into the box either. Lastly, does anyone else think he's lost that burst of pace that he had pre-injury}

10.) 27 Jul 2018 11:33:35
United Addict - was about to answer, saw Shappy's post and needn't bother. Elaborated excellently on the point I made.

Hope that answers your questions and you can get behind the player. Or at least judge him equivalent to others, not based purely on our toxic manager and ignoring the obvious poor treatment (which compounds his own issues rather than improves them) .

11.) 27 Jul 2018 11:49:36
All the attributes to be a very good player, bit of backing from the manager and he will prove the haters wrong.

12.) 27 Jul 2018 13:21:21
He's in last chance saloon and the sooner he goes the better. Nothing to do with Jose. He just lacks the attitude to succeed.

13.) 27 Jul 2018 13:47:52
I would love him to be good, he just hasn't been.

Strange how one of the only things I am negative about Beast is the exact opposite.

14.) 27 Jul 2018 13:37:40
Couldn't agree more beast.

15.) 27 Jul 2018 15:18:07
Absolutely Beast and Shappy. I would love to be proven wrong by the player. I have been waiting for 4 years. I am sure he will excel and i am also sure that it will not be at Manchester United. Like Ed says, he has been a passenger. He hasn't been good even when he has been fit. If Luke Shaw would have been Non-English, he would not get this support that he is getting from you right now. You can question the circumstances at the club but there have been others who have stayed and excelled under the same regimes. So its down to the player to show what he is made of. I am yet to see that from Shaw.

And just one more point Beast, please do not call the manager of our beloved club a Toxic. That term is reserved for the fans. Like, you know. Will leave it at that, why name and shame?

16.) 27 Jul 2018 17:19:59
Absolutely agreed gds. Would love him to be good but just hasn't been at all.

I'm just not sure how many more chances he can be given and how many more managers that he needs to back him.

17.) 27 Jul 2018 17:56:52
He's been at the club 4 years with the number of solid to good games he had you could count in two hands. He was "fit" all last season and yet had a 33yo converted winger ahead of him. I'm far from Jose's biggest fan but I can't imagine he would hold Shaw back from playing because he might not have signed for him back in 2014. Pretty crazy claim Shappy. Time for the club to move on and put him down as an expensive mistake.

18.) 27 Jul 2018 23:38:21
Yeah, because José seems the type of fella that wouldn't hold a football grudge.




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04 Dec 2018 16:50:56
its clear the players are not behind him, his tactics and team selection is a joke. no one looks like they care and that goes for everyone not just the manager

hes constantly making excuses and whinging like many of us on here and its getting tiresome

when your own fans are sick of watching you play its embarrasing

i seen a video of chris sutton speaking saying jose wants to get fired and tbh I've been saying this for weeks the guy can't be arsed being here,

the board or woodward have to take as much blame as jose and the players. we give him a new deal in January and then we don't back him in the window.

hes not got the full support so what's the point i say cut ties now before this season turns into even more of a farce.

regardless of what's going on with that team we should be making a challenge.




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29 Oct 2018 16:21:38
yes you are right, he saved the follow up shot that hit the post.




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29 Oct 2018 10:44:31
red man the fact that dave has saved us at least 15 points per season for the last 5 years tells me how important it is to keep him.

how many keepers did we go through when the big dane left.

you could argue if we had a stong defense/ team but we haven't and we rely on him in nearly every match to save our bacon.

the chelsea game is prime example, pulls of a class save to deny luiz but our lack of marking and desire aloud Barkley to level it.




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17 Oct 2018 10:33:42
hes still very young and has been one of the positives this season

i would be happy with him signing a new 5 year deal.




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28 Sep 2018 11:31:08
FZZ - blame has to come from all parties. but they need to all sort they crap out because it will end in disaster.





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06 Dec 2018 20:55:27
Wazza the mistakes came from 1. Smalling marking Mustafi and Dave then the 2nd goal was rojo fault.

Bailly was one of the main reasons aubamayang was so non existent. He is by far our best defender and should be along with Dave and Shaw first on the sheet for the defence.




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04 Dec 2018 16:58:24
what kind of message does he send to the players with comments like that.

we bang on about the players not performing but i'm not surprised when the manager is this negative,

why he still wants to manage a football team when he has no passion is beyond me.




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04 Dec 2018 12:12:57
tomorrow could be embarrassing.

no disrespect to clubs like Southampton or palace but the way we play and defend is a joke.

arsenals forwards could have a field day tomorrow.

something has to give.

if i was giving poor performance after poor performance at my job i wouldn't last.

we could be out of the top 4 race, top 6 race by xmas.




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26 Nov 2018 12:26:03
he is our best cb. says it all when he isn't even liked.

we are in a mess.




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19 Nov 2018 17:02:24
is it the case of if he is available we have first option.