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10 Apr 2018 16:18:06
Hi Ed are the rumours of martial looking to leave in the summer true? Be bitterly disappointed if they are.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - i suspect he is angling for some more game time myself park..


1.) 10 Apr 2018 16:31:51
Smacks of short termism Ed if you ask me. I know he is not the finished article but if Jose really is looking to replace him with a 29 year old injury prone Gareth bale then I will be pretty livid.

Can’t blame martial he has 21 goals this season in all comps second only to Lukaku and played far less games. This has a feeling of De Bruyne if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😂. Would much rather he was sent on loan.

{Ed025's Note - a loan to everton sounds good to me park..i love the guy..


2.) 10 Apr 2018 17:17:21
I’m fairly certain marital has 12 goals. he's a fantastic talent but doesn’t perform consistently enough, and if he doesn’t want to be here then get rid. If he does want to stay, he needs to get his head down and work hard.


3.) 10 Apr 2018 17:58:57
My mistake caolan was meant to say goals and assist. All together it would be 19 not 21. Agreed mate consistency is a problem but getting rid would be a huge mistake. If he wants regular play time a loan is better.


4.) 10 Apr 2018 16:46:50
Would be a great move ed he would get regular game time and in the premier league. But only if big sam is not managing him. A fonesca or Marco silva would do nicely! Fingers crossed he isn’t leaving but I’m not optimistic unfortunately. Thanks for your input as always ed much appreciated.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..


5.) 10 Apr 2018 18:25:30
This will be our kdb moment and given who the coach is not a surprise.


6.) 10 Apr 2018 18:40:48
Need to remember he is still young and developing. To maximise his potential he needs to play. I can’t blame the lad for looking elsewhere. The club took his number off him after he was trying to build a brand, we then bought Sanchez and moved him from his favoured position to the right. We then did not give him a run of games to get use to being on the right and then dropped him.

It does not demonstrate that he is valued. More gives the impression of you are here to make up the numbers and will be moved around or messed around as soon as we sign somebody else. I would be gutted if he left.


7.) 10 Apr 2018 19:29:29
I wanted him loaned out this season. He needs to play to improve and the scope for improvement is huge.


8.) 10 Apr 2018 19:38:01
Don’t be agree or get the love in with Martial. He’s a 1 in 5 player, and he needs to work hard every single day he’s here to prove he’s worth his chance.

We vastly overpaid for him in desperation and has been ok, but Rashford stays and plays more then fine by me.

Of course he could be awesome and fingers crossed it’s more media nonsense and he becomes a world class talent for us but he’s a striker not a winger.


9.) 10 Apr 2018 19:56:07
Caolan this is utd player's minutes per goals or assists ratio.

Lukaku- 110 mins per goal/ assist
Rashford- 111 mins
Lingard- 108 mins
Martial- 103 mins

Looks more like we just don't give him a consistent enough run to actually let him perform well consistently. He was utd player of the month 3 times this season until the 500k man arrived then mourinho did what he does best with young attacking players.


10.) 10 Apr 2018 20:50:03
Is it a case of the manager wants rid or the player wants to leave. Quite a lot quick to blame Jose an cite de bruyne but I think eds said that wasn't down to Jose.


11.) 10 Apr 2018 22:28:15
Sanchez is ten times the player Martial is right now. Blaming Jose for his sulky nature and lethargic style is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he has the potential. But he needs to work hard to get there. Where is he realistically going to be allowed to move to that are equal to Utd and actually start matches? Modern footballers wind me up no end.


12.) 11 Apr 2018 00:26:18
Martial reminds me of Nani. Extremely talented but not consistent and extremely frustrating. Not sure if it's an attitude or lifestyle problem but he needs to change.


13.) 11 Apr 2018 00:49:21
Csm, I understand those stats, but they can be misleading eg the opening day he scored and assisted with 10 minutes left, but it shows the talent. Unfortunately, He’s not progressed in 3 years, his first season here was without doubt his best. He needs to show more and just keep an eye on Tahith Chong, works his backside off and looks a top talent. I don’t think martial has the desire, so if he wants to leave, let’s get a good price and move on.


14.) 11 Apr 2018 01:12:38
Don't disagree Eric, but that 10 times the player has also been ten times the tripe and not been benched, if martial had 1 game like Sanchez had a dozen he won't be starting for most of the 12 or so Sanchez has played for us.


15.) 11 Apr 2018 05:35:26
Caolan I don't have a problem with selling martial if the replacement is someone like a dybala but mourinho will replace martial with the Croatian Ashley young because he tracks back better. 2-3 years down the line when martial would be tearing it up in a team that actually is allowed to attack we will be in a Wayne Rooney situation with 2 30+ pace merchants who would have lost their pace and will be on high wages and whichever poor sap replaces mourinho will be left dealing with the issue and again we will be in a transition period.


16.) 11 Apr 2018 09:50:23
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at the moment in the wingers position.

He will do the job Mourinho requires him to do.


17.) 11 Apr 2018 10:09:34
MARTIAL's problem is Martial. Talent but gives the impression he only does what he thinks is enough which isn't always enough. If a deal to be had is better then let him go but not cheaply.


18.) 11 Apr 2018 10:43:51
What exactly is this job Singh.

Martial pl stats- 1347 mins 9 goals 5 assists

Croatian Ashley Young serie a stats- 2686 mins 9 goals 5 assists.

Sqauwka do a defense score in their comparison matrix it reads

Croatian Ashley Young- -23.9
Anthony Martial- 60.82

Doesn't seem like a defensive stalwart by looking at those stats. Only thing Croatian Ashley Young is better at than martial is his crossing and having watched him more than a few times, it ain't something to write home about. If we sign an actually decent lb we will get a crosser most likely better than the Croatian Ashley Young.


19.) 11 Apr 2018 11:27:55
Perisic is a decent player nothing more .
Done ok at inter last couple of years nothing more . will be 30 next season.


20.) 11 Apr 2018 11:41:23
Perisic is a decent player, who has had a couple of seasons of good form. But as CSM points out he is performing at currently around the same level as Martial. However, Martial has potential to get better whereas, Perisic will only decline.

However, Perisic plays predominantly on the left, Martial supposedly isn't happy because Sanchez has taken his place. Rashford supposedly isn't happy because he isn't starting as many games as he would like and he too has predominantly played on the left for Jose.

So we have three players two of which are talented young players who all predominantly play on the left.

Lingard has stepped up this year, and Mata remains consistent, we then have Angel Gomes and Chong in particular knocking on the door.

So why do people think that if Martial leaves he will be replaced?

If he leaves we probably won't see anyone come in to replace him. Sanchez has already done that.

Jose wants at least one full back, preferably two. A centre back despite already signing two and having a super talented Tuanzebe coming through. And at least one if not two midfielders again having already signing two, and having McTominay, TFM and Andreas Pereira trying to break through.

The forward positions are bottom of the list and we will only likely see another forward join after 4-5 other players who are higher priority. Which means we won't be signing one.

So by all means wish a super talented young player away, but don't cry when he isn't replaced and he goes on to become a star else where. Just like Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah did after Mourinho wasted their potential.


21.) 11 Apr 2018 11:58:14
Martial has been good this season when he's played. Has electric pace and the type of dribbling where it feels like the ball is glued to his foot. How many players in the world can you say that about? Add to that ice cool finishing and solid link up play. He is being wasted and will come back to haunt Mourinho like De Bruyne and Salah. Play Sanchez on the right (where he got his best goal and assist stats. Where he is comfortable playing) and Martial on the left of Lukaku. Serious skill, speed and finishing ability in that front 3 with Pogba supporting from deep.

But of course none of this is going to happen. Sanchez will play on the left to stunt Rashford and shuttle Martial out the door, while Martial will come back to piss all over us one day. Mourinho logic.


22.) 11 Apr 2018 13:11:53
Sorry but csm I don’t get why you’re comparing him to Persic, a completely different style of player? Once again thought it’s a minpulation of stats, whilst comparing two completely different players. I could find you a stat that says Milner was more creative than Scholes. I understand a lot of fans on here love martial, heck I’m a big fan of his, due to his talent but he’s not progressing on. Let me ask you this, would he have dug in on Saturday like Sanchez and tried to eat us big in the game. I don’t see the attitude from him that will make him a really top class player, that I know he can become. As snappy says there are young hungry players coming through the academy, so maybe let’s promote one and stick to the club values? Rather than spending our time on a player who has rejected a new 5 year deal (which shows the club value him) . It’s that reason why I’m not opposed to selling him.


23.) 11 Apr 2018 13:45:56
Martial isn't going yo get chances at United until Mourinho is here. Like Shappy has said Sanchez has already replaced him and if Mourinho signs another attacker it will limit his progress further.

He could be a superstar in the making but it just isn't going to happen at United unless something drastically changes.

Hr has had enough chances to prove himself at lw but hasn't really done much, stats are stats and it makes Ban Dost look like world class.


24.) 11 Apr 2018 14:01:30
So people want to sell martial?
Lot of people trying to justify the sale .
I do wonder if people would be wanting to get rid rid of him if it wasn't for the fact it's in the press .

Same goes for perisic being twice the player martial is . I doubt that would be the case if he wasn't linked to us last summer .
If martial signs a new contract has the club and Jose made a massive then reading above .
In fact are they in the wrong offering him a new contract?


25.) 11 Apr 2018 14:06:15
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at lw. Have you not seen how many times Martial loses the ball, makes wrong decisions and just stands their confused or even sulks when things don't go his way at lw.

Martial has loads of potential but not at lw. He will never be a winger unless he changes things draatically.


26.) 11 Apr 2018 14:11:48
Perisic is a lw isn't he caolan, milner scholes comparison is stupid but lw is lw styles might be different but end result expected is the same, it isn't mf where a pogba has different job to a matic. Your job as a lw is scoring or creating goals. Ronaldo and Beckham were different players with different styles but we expected both to either create or score goals. If we sign a lw we will expect him to score and create won't we?

You ask about the city, you seem to forget that it was martial who assisted lukaku in the Chelsea game for the equalizer and scored the late winner against spurs.

Also it's funny you complained about martial being inconsistent yet bring up Sanchez in comparison a player who has been nothing but inconsistent for us.


27.) 11 Apr 2018 14:16:38
Do you have some substance to back up this twice the player stance Singh because there isn't any metric out there that proves perisic is better than martial let alone being twice the player.


28.) 11 Apr 2018 14:41:39
CSM, I didn’t say Sanchez has been consistent did I? Merely pointing to the battling performance at the weekend I don’t think martial may be capable off, and he hasn’t shown that yet. Also shall we go back to that Chelsea game? He played a lovely pass to lukaku for the goal, and then was god awful after that.
And no I don’t agree that you can compare persic to martial, as all you’ve done is take statistics and use them as gospel. Don’t understand how you can say that’s a fair comparison but Milner to Scholes isn’t? Both play in the midfield don’t they?
Also if you read my post you’ll see that I don’t dislike martial, but he’s not been consistent enough, or hell even progressed. If he misses a chance his head drops, eg the Newcastle away game. He has all the talent in the world but I don’t know if he has the desire to achieve it. His movement off the ball at times is non existent, he would reluctantly go backwards, is he capable of a high press? The talent is there. He needs to work hard and fulfill that potential. I’m order to achieve that if he feels the need to leave then good luck to him. It’s the same with pogba.


29.) 11 Apr 2018 14:45:16
The main complaints about Martial is he doesn't track back, he is inconsistent, he loses the ball often and he should when things don't go his way.

Obviously the people voicing these complaints either haven't been United fans that long or they have very short memories.

All of the above could have been leveled at a 21 year old Ronaldo.

Sulks if he doesn't get the ball, inconsistent, doesn't track back, loses the ball.

Very short memories.


30.) 11 Apr 2018 14:51:53
Shappy, my criticism isn’t entirely based around work rate, but is he putting in the work Ronaldo did? We don’t know. Also the reason I’m leaning towards selling him is that the various reports state he rejected a contract. If that’s the case and he doesn’t want to be at united anymore then sell him.


31.) 11 Apr 2018 14:54:41
If Ed 2s about can you clarify it was de Bruyne who wanted to leave Chelsea. Also same with Lukaku and Salah. Apologies I know you've this before but I think it just needs to be clarified.

{Ed002's Note - De Bruyne and Salah both wanted to leave for specific reasons and Chelsea did not stand in their way. Lukaku did something which meant he would never return to Chelsea from loan and would never play for the club again.}


32.) 11 Apr 2018 15:15:03
Caolan
So if it is true that he has been offered a contract are the club and Jose wrong to offer him one based on the negatives above .

Very talent young player and people want to sell him?
I hope he stays and relises his potential at United.
Got to wonder what some on here would of thought of a young Ronaldo.
Singh
Have you actually watched perisic, he really isn't twice the player martial is .


33.) 11 Apr 2018 15:51:44
Caolan again remind me what Sanchez did other than the 2 assists before or after? He is 22 if you expect a 22 year old attacker in a jose mourinho team to be consistently brilliant either you are naive or have never watched football.

Most reports suggest that he isn't happy with the playing time which has been compounded by the signing of Sanchez, he isn't wrong in that is he. He rightfully started on the bench rather than first 11 this season because of his last season performances but then performed well enough to displace rashford and was one of our better attacking players until Sanchez arrived. Would you sign a contract if you get benched for multiple games after a single bad games but are forced to change position because a new player comes in who then proceeds to set new standards on how bad you can play but this player never gets benched.

About perisic martial comparison, you keep bringing milner and scholes in the conversation when they don't play the same position or are expected to do the same job yet ignore my Ronaldo and Beckham comparison because it doesn't suit your point. There is no real stat or fact or anything that can firmly say that perisic is better than martial so you come up with stuff like goals and assists aren't the only things we rate wingers on, fact is that is the biggest point on which people rate attackers on.

You don't want Sanchez or griezmann ahead of martial or rashford because they run more or track back but because they are better going forward and the Croatian Ashley Young ain't.


34.) 11 Apr 2018 16:01:24
Media spouts nonsense and the page goes into meltdown blaming Jose for this and that. Blah blah noise. Read what ed2 says above. None of which had anything to do with Mourinho. It’s very tiresome reacting from day to day on this stuff.

Jose hates youngsters so much he didn’t go to school and won’t talk to his children until they’re 25.

{Ed001's Note - that's not true Jose loves kids, on toast with a bit of cheese, but he couldn't eat a whole one...}


35.) 11 Apr 2018 16:31:49
Eric, I believe both Salah and De Bruyne left Chelsea for more playing time, in fact for any playing time as he wouldn't pick them.

Are you suggesting that Jose doesn't get to pick the team?

Jose may not have activity tried to sell them, but he didn't give them a chance. So they had to leave to further their careers.

No one is saying Martial, Shaw and Rashford want to leave United because they have it in Manchester, not is anyone saying they are being forced out by Jose. Merely Jose doesn't trust young players, he doesn't progress them as he doesn't create an environment for them to flourish. He would rather sign older players because Jose doesn't think about next season or the future of the club he is working for, he only cares about this season and how many trophies he can win for Jose Mourinho.

That is why he is a short term manager, and unless he wins the title next season he won't be our manager by the start of the 2019/ 20 season.

{Ed002's Note - No it was not really the situation with either player, it was more complex than that.}


36.) 11 Apr 2018 16:38:04
So where have I put down persic is better mate? And I’ll comment on Ronaldo and Beckham if you want. Two completely contrasting styles of players yet again. Only here for a bit of a debate and to give my opinion. No need to call me naive or question whether I’ve watched a game. At the end of the day you have your opinion, and I may not agree with it but it’s not me having a go, because we all have an opinion and no one is right or wrong. Last I’m going to say on the matter.


37.) 11 Apr 2018 16:55:31
And sorry I just seen the question about whether the club should offer him a new deal from Jred.
I’m reaponse mate, if the club feel he can fulfill his potential and he’s willing to work hard to do so then off course like I said earlier. There’s no doubting his potential at all the main reason I’m saying about getting rid of him is the fact that he’s apparently turned this deal down. My point is I don’t think he’d be as missed as people say, but it’s only my opinion.
At the end of the day I’d love him to stay here and become a legend, score 200+ goals. However, at this moment I don’t see that happening. I hope I’m wrong, but if he wants out, let him out. Last I’m saying.


38.) 11 Apr 2018 17:08:25
Didn't mean to cause offense caolan, sorry if i have. But it is annoying when people expect consistency from 22 year old attackers especially given our attacking play.


39.) 11 Apr 2018 17:10:59
When Ronaldo was here it was a differenr situation . We had fergie as our manager, we didn't have to compete with 4 other possible premier league challengers . We had a proper defence had a very good midfield had Tevez and Rooney and vannisteroy so we couldve carried a 21 year old inconsistent Ronaldo and even then he Ronaldo showed more skill then Martial has in his time here.


40.) 11 Apr 2018 17:20:35
No worries CSM. I’m not expecting Ronaldo/ Messi performances but I get frustrated with him because of how much ability he has, and I’m sure there are many who want to see a hell of a lot more from him because we know that potential.


41.) 11 Apr 2018 18:00:32
Singh
After reading all that then you want to sell him?


42.) 11 Apr 2018 18:28:37
Shappy he can only play 11 players at a time. Jose thinks sanchez is better than martial. I agree with him. He also thinks at this time that rashford is a better option than martial. I agree with him. He thinks lukaku is a better option i agree with him.
Its just The managers preference.
Lampard said last night that he never saw the potential in salah nobody at chelsea did and his leaving had nothing to do with jose personally nor did kdb leaving.


43.) 11 Apr 2018 19:03:49
Looks like I’m massively in the minority but if it were a simple case (which it isn’t of course, with £/ age factors) of Martial or Bale, I’d have Bale every time. So he’s much older, past his prime and with a questionable injury history. But he’s still got plenty left in the tank. Martial was a panic buy worth nothing like what was paid and has never been as good as his debut against Liverpool. Next Henry? Give me a break, he’s not on the same planet.


44.) 11 Apr 2018 19:14:35
Again Jred its about if Martial can be happy being part of the squad then he should stay but if he wants more game and if Mourinho isn't going to give him assurance then for his own career he should move elsewhere to get the game time he badly desires.

I would keep him if i was in charge at the club but i am not and i am here debating with you like many others.

You can't keep everyone happy and if Martial really wants to fight for his place and like mentioned in the media the contract is on the table foe him then he should sign it and fight for his player like everyone else.

If i was him personally i would make a move and get the game time i so badly want.

There are so many good clubs around the world he can make a name wirh foe himself.


45.) 11 Apr 2018 21:19:51
Singh
You seem to of given a lot of reasons to get rid of him.


46.) 11 Apr 2018 22:48:26
I don’t really post on here much just like reading everyone’s opinions but this thread is ridiculous.

Also I don’t know if you guys played football or if you did to what standard but if I was either martial or Rashford I’d be looking to the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku etc and saying help me. Looking at these players day in day out should show you what you need to improve yourself.

Martial has bags of potential BUT does he want to fight for his place and prove that he deserves to stay there? Does he try and adapt his game to fit playing right wing? Is he trying to develop himself after training etc or does he go home straight away? We don’t know the answers to these questions so therefore we don’t have that much knowledge on the matter.

I also seem to remember an attacking midfielder that had was better than Wayne Rooney when we signed him, he had bags of potential to. that was ANDERSON. Great potential turned into an average player.

Talent doesn’t automatically mean your going to be a star, you still have to work and dedicate yourself to the game so that you can maximise your potential e.g Ronaldo.

I don’t want him to leave but the club may see him strolling around in training not over bothered, bad attitude etc, not willing to learn blah blah blah. They are in the best possible position to make a decision on getting rid of him.


47.) 11 Apr 2018 23:15:15
Gazza91 top post that.


48.) 12 Apr 2018 08:29:54
Gaza
If that was the case why would they offer him a new contract.


49.) 12 Apr 2018 16:21:11
So if the player wants to leave should we keep him jred?


50.) 12 Apr 2018 18:18:11
Ken
If he wants to leave and won't sign a contract then it would be best to let him go .

But all this we should sell because of x y z are a bit silly imo .
If there were not rumours in the papers very few would want to sell a very talented young player .


51.) 12 Apr 2018 23:09:22
I wanted him to go on loan this season i feared that this would be The situation if he didn't. He actually got more game time than i thought he would be given.
He does have potential and now we are 1 year further down the line and we are none the wiser and he is no closer to fulfilling that potential if he had a hreat season in italy or spain then at least he would be coming back proven and confident and be a more rounded and experienced player. But now starved of meaningful gametime we have forced him into a corner.
But to be fair he hasn't forced himself into the team either.
Hindsight is 20/ 20 vision i suppose.


52.) 13 Apr 2018 10:13:03
He has been offered a 5 year contract which talks you a lot .
40 appearances so far in the EPL only lukaku has scored more
If he had went out on loan would he of gained more than that?
Who would of taking up the slack of him not being here?
How would his situation now of been any different, lukaku Sanchez etc would still be at the club he would still want reasurrences over his playing time .
New contract with a lot of other options as he is a top player, big decision .


 

 

28 Apr 2017 16:28:10
So gutted if the reports are true that fosu mensah has dislocated his shoulder. Was so looking forward to him getting some game time in midfield as I believe an eventual combination of him Herrera and pogba would compliment eachother very well.

The injuries really have taken its toll and it time for the players to stand up and be counted for. Rooney apparently could play in midfield and many will disagree but I think he could have provided a link from midfield to attack that we were missing yesterday. Not the same player but he can still do a job. Big game Sunday let's get the 3 points on the board and put pressure on city and the scousers.

Lots to play for and could end up being a special end if the seasons. Onwards and upwards.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - mensah is not the biggest loss though park, better him out than one of the bigger names as im sure we wont see the best of him until next season at the earliest mate..


1.) 29 Apr 2017 14:40:00
We need to remain calm about the youth players. I'm a huge fan of Rashfords potential but he isn't in the top 50 scorers in the 'league' this season and Mensah has done nothing yet to even be discussed as the main defensive midfielder in a team that wants to win the CL. It's almost bordering on hysteria. Both their positions need serious strengthening in the summer.


 

 

 

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22 Apr 2018 12:01:32
Great result yesterday against a good spurs side. Great mental fortitude and never say die attitude that Jose has seemed to have instilled in this squad. This must be one of the most frustrating united squads I have known. Can beat anyone on its day but when it loses it loses badly with a whimper and lack of fight.

Thought Sanchez was brilliant and I love his work rate. Charging around the pitch like a terrier making tackles and darting runs. Great to see. Pogba grew into the game and looks a world beater when he is given the freedom to play further up in the final third. Pass for Sanchez was amazing and I would like to see Sanchez play more on the right or centrally so him and pogba don’t get in each others way. Smalling and Jones really stepped up and credit to them. Though the full backs were poor although Valencia had some good last minute tackles early on. Definitely need to invest in 2 new ones on the summer.

But my man of the match was Herrera. He as brilliant and looked like the player of the year that he was last year. Hope he stays because he is captain material for me. Just gets what it means to play for united. Well done to Jose 3 finals in 2 years is very impressive. Whilst the style is not always great he is doing a good job so retains my backing for another year at least. Have a good feeling if we buy correctly we will challenge next year.

And finally to have a bit of a laugh there were articles in the independent saying that united players are in revolt against Jose and have compared the Luke shaw situation to Mo Salah situation at Chelsea. It’s astounding the negative press this united team and Jose get. Just beaten the media darlings spurs in their own backyard and not one word of positivity. Hated, adored, but most definetly not ignored. Enjoy your Sunday guys!

Park3lung

1.) 22 Apr 2018 12:49:38
Agree and great post Park though I differ in MOTM since I feel Sanchez work rate is the best.
As to the media, you have this feeling that when we play well most of them still are negative. Nothing new to me. My comfort is that they recognized we are coming back and they hope we do not dominate like before.
Even the commentators were rooting for Spurs when I was watching the game. I just turned the volume to almost inaudible 🤣. I’d love to see what nonsense they will still rat about when we win something 🤣🤣.


2.) 22 Apr 2018 12:56:43
Good tactical points, there, Park. I agree about Sanchez playing further away from Pogba, though in time they could figure it out on the left side as long as they keep moving and playing off of each other. And Pogba once again was at his best in a midfield three with Herrera's excellent work and defensive responsibility.

{Ed004's Note - It seems we alternated between a 442 and a 433 yesterday depending on the circumstances. I reckon Jose has been working on it for the past couple of weeks and we are finally starting to see it work better. Pogba played a lot of the game on the left wing while Sanchez played a lot closer to Lukaku almost like a second striker. However, when we are under pressure and Spurs pushed both fullbacks forward Sanchez was tasked to drop back.}


3.) 22 Apr 2018 13:02:58
Agree 666 the big players stand up when it really matters and hats off to Alexis he was great yesterday. I must admit I didn’t think he deserved to start but he proved me wrong! So true the bbc coverage from Danny Murphy was laughable. I think the thing that frustrates me is that it isn’t a fluke we are second in the table. You can’t fluke your way after 34 games played. Not saying we are a great watch but credit needs to be given from where we have been the last few years. That credit must go to Jose whether people like him or not.

{Ed004's Note - Exactly what I've been saying all season. It's not luck that's resulted in us being second. We have had a few very poor performances this season but as a whole we have definitely improved and that's with shocking fullbacks and unreliable centre backs}


4.) 22 Apr 2018 13:15:56
Couldn't agree more ed. The fact we beat spurs yesterday with almost no attacking threat from our full backs speaks volumes imo. We are basically relying solely on the attacking players to stretch the opposition defence and when there are no overlapping runs we look very one dimensional. I thought shaw did that well against Bournemouth but clearly his days are over at united. It was interesting to see Lukaku come towards the right at times and sanchez to go more centrally where i think he is at his best. We need to allow the front 3 to be more fluid and interchangeable.

Im still not pleased with the style but I cannot fault the progress we have made and sticking with the manager is clearly the right thing to do. Stability seems to be the key. Thought jones and smalling were very good yesterday but jones is made of glass and smalling always has a mistake in him. A partner for Bailly would be a welcome addition but is not essential.

{Ed004's Note - If the reports of Martial wanting to leave and us selling him to fund another signing we really need a top player coming off the right hand side such as Isco (role he plays at Madrid often), Dybala (1st pick) or a potentially wc player like Pulisic}


5.) 22 Apr 2018 13:17:36
Bang on park and ed004.


6.) 22 Apr 2018 14:53:01
Totally agree ed and park. If martial is unhappy, then we have to let him go. Isco will be a dream signing. And Dybala will also be incredible.

{Ed004's Note - One of those would complete our attack. I'd be happier with Dybala because then we would finally have a set piece taker and proper number 10}


7.) 22 Apr 2018 14:53:37
What about leon bailey ed. He looks a top class player.

{Ed004's Note - Haven't seen enough of him so can't comment}


8.) 22 Apr 2018 15:33:32
I tend to agree AAA on martial. I am one of his biggest fans but if he doesn’t want to be here then he needs to go. Jose clearly expects his forwards put a shift in and do defensive duties. But above all I think he wants to see desire. That is why rashford is ahead of martial now. Martial is more talented but rashford and Lingard for that matter work harder. I hope we don’t see martial leave if he can put his head down and work harder. But it looks increasingly like he will be off. I would love Dybala as ed said for all the reasons he listed. We need a world class attacker who can provide quality from set pieces, especially corners. Griezmann would have been my choice but Dybala would be perfect.


9.) 22 Apr 2018 15:44:04
It depends how much we get for Martial to determine who we go for aa a replacement. Dybala will be quite expensive compared to Isco and Dybala is apparantly a serious target for City.


10.) 22 Apr 2018 19:31:09
I would like both dybala and isco. The gap between us and city is big. We need more attacking threat and more imagination in midfield and attack.


11.) 22 Apr 2018 22:31:04
I want a golden goose right now!

I will be stunned if we get Isco and Dybala. Maybe bring back Perrera and add dybala.

If we play 3 in midfield to fit Pogba in then we have no room for a 10. Unless Pogba can play better in a 2, which he did early season.


12.) 22 Apr 2018 22:36:13
Jose is slowly but surely getting rid of all LVGs signings except the ones he likes. Rojo, Herrera and maybe Romero (unless he wants first team football) are the exceptions.


13.) 23 Apr 2018 12:32:34
We could always play 3-5-2, moving Sanchez back into midfield, with Matic and Pogba, then play Dybala as a no 10. 3 at the back then gives more freedom to the fullbacks to provide width in attack.


 

 

18 Apr 2018 23:14:42
Important three points and played some nice stuff in parts. Really liked our front three today thought rashford was a threat all night and martial did some nice things. Pogba was much better today kept things simple and provided another assist. Think it’s 10 for the season. Imagine if he was consistent! Would be some unreal stats. Danny higginbotham wrote a great piece today for the S*n stating that pogba is a better player when he is less involved. When he has more touches it often means he’s picking the ball up too deep off the cbs and trying to play the Hollywood ball. And that Sanchez is better picking the ball up from deep and making things happen. At first I wasn’t sure but seeing our second goal against city that is exactly what happened. Perhaps that is a solution to getting them to play in the same team. Allow pogba to make those runs beyond the striker and get him in those dangerous areas. Allow Sanchez to pick the ball up from deeper and drive forward and pick a pass.

Herrera was another one who looks to be coming into some form. And great to see Luke shaw get a run out thought he had a good second half and his overlapping runs were exactly what we have been missing. Him and martial could be a devastating left hand side partnership if given a run of games. However I expect Sanchez and young to start on Saturday.

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11 Apr 2018 12:07:52
Fair play to Roma and Liverpool last night 2 very good results. Which makes me even more frustrated that we lost to Sevilla. We have shown several times this season that if we play with more intensity and forward momentum then we can beat the likes of Liverpool, city etc. Liverpool’s front three are very good yet we made them look as blunt as I’ve seen them against anyone this season. We care from two down against a city side that apparently is the ‘greatest side ever’. We have the players in pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku to really hurt teams and mix it with the best. Which makes it even the more frustrating that we were so placid and pathetic against Sevilla.

You can’t say that man for man Liverpool have a better first 11 than use. They beat city with a midfield of ox Wijnaldum and Milner. I like ox think he has been great but a trio of Herrera pogba matic for me is superior. It begs the question of why it takes for us to go behind to really show our potential? Klopp has his team playing out of their skin and hats off to him. Jose has shown at times this season that he is building a formidable side. But it’s few and far between for my liking. The full backs need to be sorted along with an upgrade on Herrera. Perhaps a cb but I’d be happy to see lindelof bedded in now as I think his distribution is very good. My point is if Jose tweaks his tactics and plays more attacking we have the players to hurt teams. There is a lot of potential here and we’ve only tapped into 30-40% if you ask me. I think things are not as bad as they seem. We’ve beaten the mighty city at their own place and made Liverpool look awful at our place. So we should take heart that we aren’t too far away. Let’s hope the scousers get a Bayern or real and they are sent packing. But they are a team on the up so as much as it pains me you have to give credit where it is due.

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1.) 11 Apr 2018 16:04:00
Good question. My theory is Jose is cautious but when we go behind he has to throw the shackles off and attack which is when we look very good.

{Ed004's Note - Or may be he doesn't trust our defence? We can't really go all out attack with the likes of Smalling and Young covering at the back}


2.) 11 Apr 2018 16:26:28
I said it weeks ago Ed4. Jose simply doesn't some of the players at the back. Valencia and Young for as good as they have been do have an error in them and are converted wingers. Smalling always looks to have an error in him as well. Jones is made of bone china, Rojo always looks like he's going to get a card. 2 proper fullbacks, with a fully fit Bailly and a fully settled Lindelof look a better prospect. Add in Tuanzebe and TFM and its better. Another midfielder would be good to replace the ones going.

{Ed004's Note - Once we get a settled back line that are all comfortable on the ball I reckon we will push 5/10 yards further forward and that will have a massive impact on our attack. It will enable the likes of Sanchez to receive the ball in more dangerous areas, Pogba to break forward more, ability to win the ball higher up etc. Additionally, full backs that can provide width and a decent ball in will make a huge difference}


3.) 11 Apr 2018 16:31:02
I agree fully with what you said Ed004.
If we have a strong and trustworthy defense like previously of Fer-Vidic why wouldn’t Jose play very attacking? It could be in case our current defense is not strong or anticipating enough to handle the danger.

{Ed004's Note - Full agreed. The only player I'm happy with is Bailly and to a lesser extent Valencia as back up or being gradually replaced}


4.) 11 Apr 2018 17:07:58
Spot on Ed I agree with you. We don’t play like city who in most games mask their defensive deficiencies with their outstanding attacking play. I think the full backs are so integral for us making the step to the next level. Ones with a decent delivery is much needed especially as we have wingers that like to cut in. Although the city game is only one game, I am much more positive and excited for what next season will behold. I would much prefer we target players who will improve our system as opposed to a galatico big name signing.

{Ed004's Note - I don't think we will sign any galatico players. The only ones we have been linked to our Bale and Dybala briefly (would happily let Martial go if it was in a deal for Dybala btw). I reckon we will see a rb, cb, lb and cm come in}


5.) 11 Apr 2018 17:32:46
We have strong midfield and attack. We really need to beef up our defense to add to Bailly. Lindelof is still WIP and as Ed004 said if we get good and reliable RB, CB and LB I’m quite sure we can become a aggressive attacking team. Am sure Jose is not blind or too stupid to know that. Stubborn or not, that is another question 😉.


 

 

08 Apr 2018 22:50:51
Football, bloody hell. I was fortunate to be able to go on Saturday and honestly I’ve never experienced such an extreme contrast of emotions during a game. Honestly during half time I along with many fans were raging at how poor we were. City carved through us like a knife through butter and if sterling could finish it would have been 4.

When we needed the boys to step up the most, when we need the manager to deliver a churchillian esque speech, and when we needed to remember That we are Manchester United, boy did the boys go out there and play the United way. They played in the spirit that is demanded of every single united player. They played with desire and passion for the shirt. They showed they cared. And the way they all came over at the end was special. Both the fans and the players truly united for the first time in what seems like years, perhaps since sir alex retired. They understood how important yesterday’s victory was. And us fans for the first time in a long time we’re proud of every single one of those players.

I know we should not get carried away as I do not think it’s been a particularly successful season. But I don’t care because I really enjoyed the game and we showed that when it clicks we do have the potential to be a very devastating team. I was delighted to see the Paul Pogba we all expect to see virtually stand up and tip the game on its head. Sanchez had his best game for us in the second half. He had a hand in all three of the goals and he finally linked up with pogba like we crave him to. Special mentions to Herrera who just gets it. He is as passionate as the home grown players and I thought he was very tidy yesterday and provided real balance for the team. Not a fan of smalling but takes some balls to step up and score that goal after being embarrassed by Kompany and consistently taken abuse from fans on Twitter. Not good enough to start but you can not fault his desire and passion.

The Sevilla game still burns when I think of t and it has taken a while to get over it. But what I saw yesterday was a team that clearly is together, fighting for each other and the manager. I’m a big Jose fan but I do think he cannot get us playing that attractive football we desire. But I think he has done a good job this year and we have clearly improved. He has instilled a doggedness and mental strength that we have lacked for a number of years now. Great to see this side come back so many times in the last month or so.

If we can get a cb, lb, rb and a cm in we have the makings of a very very good side. We have shown we can mix it with the best. But with that defence on saturday we won’t win anything major. Funny how one result can change things. Not getting carried away but we have reasons to be optimistic and the lads showed me on Saturday that they do care. And that means so much to myself and fellow fans.

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1.) 09 Apr 2018 04:01:06
I can only imagine what it was like to be there. Must have felt like you were in a bearpit at half time-the crowd were giving some stick! What a turn around second half.

I'd like to see Lindelof get some games next to Bailly to see if they can click. We know what Smalling can do, yes he has passion and I think is a good back up. But he can't be first choice going into next season, neither can Jones. Time to find out if Lindelof can make the grade with a run of games.


2.) 09 Apr 2018 10:38:19
Dodgy you are absolutely right. around the 38th minute when the city fans where taunting us with 'oles' i really feared for the worst. But amazing turn around.

I agree i really like lindelof and think he has improved in the second part of the season. He brings a calmness on the ball and is superior in that aspect to the rest of our cbs. I would like to see him partner bailly and think he can make it but it remains to be seen whether jose fully trusts him yet.


3.) 09 Apr 2018 12:50:43
Jose has brought back that mentality that we've lost in recent seasons. Still needs to be a few players go. There's some with the talent but not the commitment (Shaw) and some with the commitment but not the talent (Smalling)


 

 

04 Apr 2018 15:26:36
They don’t make them like ray Wilkins anymore. An absolute gent and great player and pundit. RIP.

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Can believe I’m saying this but I miss Ronnie.

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12 Apr 2018 17:34:44
Agree shappy and ken maguire’s positioning is atrocious and I’m not sure why he gets so many plaudits. Perhaps because he carries the ball out of defence but that’s where the problems lie for me. He often loses it.

Not a fan of Mawson if I’m honest. He’s decent but not good enough for us. I find it misleading buying cbs from teams that sit back as it’s easy to camp 11 men behind the ball and be structured and disciplined. The test is when you move to one of the big boys and you have to play 10 yards further forward without 2 defensive midfielders protecting you. That’s why players like Lovren have struggled. Also, we have the likes of tuanzebe coming through who has the potential to be a very good player so wouldn’t be going anywhere near the likes of Mawson or Maguire.

If we do need a cb we need a top quality one whose better than we have got to partner bailly. It would have to be of the ilk of Umtiti, Alderweireld or varane. But tbh I would like to see lindelof to have a run in the team as I think he has the attributes to be a good cb. Otherwise my choice to partner bailly would be Rojo but he is not very good at playing out of the back. Cb is the least of our worries for me.

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10 Apr 2018 16:46:50
Would be a great move ed he would get regular game time and in the premier league. But only if big sam is not managing him. A fonesca or Marco silva would do nicely! Fingers crossed he isn’t leaving but I’m not optimistic unfortunately. Thanks for your input as always ed much appreciated.

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10 Apr 2018 17:58:57
My mistake caolan was meant to say goals and assist. All together it would be 19 not 21. Agreed mate consistency is a problem but getting rid would be a huge mistake. If he wants regular play time a loan is better.

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10 Apr 2018 16:31:51
Smacks of short termism Ed if you ask me. I know he is not the finished article but if Jose really is looking to replace him with a 29 year old injury prone Gareth bale then I will be pretty livid.

Can’t blame martial he has 21 goals this season in all comps second only to Lukaku and played far less games. This has a feeling of De Bruyne if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😂. Would much rather he was sent on loan.

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26 Apr 2018 14:50:47
Ed is there a case at united where Woodward or the board reject a certain player if they don’t feel like that is who should be signed? (Perisic springs to mind) .

Or does Jose or whoever is manager have almost full control and presents his targets to Woodward? Or is there more of a compromise relationship?

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26 Apr 2018 12:52:01
Never really got a fair crack of the whip but he just did an interview saying it was his fault. Far enough to the lad shows he’s matured and taken accountability. I like him he is always a threat and is very direct. Wins a lot of penalties but he does dive a lot. Not sure if he is better than we have got. But city seem to be interested in him so says a lot I think about his talents.

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26 Apr 2018 10:41:52
Top post MancMan. Can’t argue with any of that. If he puts a shift in he will get picked it’s simple as that. He has all the talent in the world and imagine what sort of player he could become. It’s not difficult. He’s at a great club, under a very good manager and he has he opportunity to have regular football. So frustrating because all he needs to do is apply himself and put a shift in. Working hard should be the minimum requirement for any footballer. You are not going to get it served on a plate for you.

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25 Apr 2018 19:32:49
Where would silva be looking to go ed?

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