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15 May 2018 10:20:26
Hi Ed002 is you are around hope you are well mate. I know you said we had interest in alex Sandro but is he now our first choice target for left back? Thanks.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - I can't help with transfers any longer, sorry.}


1.) 15 May 2018 10:41:41
No problem thanks ed.


2.) 15 May 2018 12:32:14
If there is any truth in Sandro at 50 mill and the lad from Napoli as right back who seems highly rated at 44 mill -I don't pretend to know much about him -then Shaw and Darmian out as directly replaced for a net spend of 60 mill for a key part of defence with added attacking flair seems a good deal.


3.) 15 May 2018 12:52:37
would be a great pair of signings if true burrenway. I like Hysaj he looks a very good player. Only time will tell!


4.) 15 May 2018 12:25:31
Ed002 - is there any light at the end of the tunnel? When will you be back?

{Ed002's Note - Right now there is no plan to do anything involving transfers any longer.}


5.) 15 May 2018 14:46:53
Yes Park3lung, a bit of pace and flair going forward. I would then hope TFM comes into the first team squad as a back up rb to get him some real experience.


6.) 15 May 2018 17:41:54
Ed002 i am very sorry to hear that. I hope that there comes a time when this is all resolved and we have the pleasure of your wise words once more.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks, we'll see.}


7.) 15 May 2018 21:13:54
Most of us echo those thoughts Pogthedog, this site is a better place with Ed002 on board.


8.) 15 May 2018 22:41:22
Ultimately United will but whoever they buy.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds painful and unnecessary :)


 

 

10 Apr 2018 16:18:06
Hi Ed are the rumours of martial looking to leave in the summer true? Be bitterly disappointed if they are.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - i suspect he is angling for some more game time myself park..


1.) 10 Apr 2018 16:31:51
Smacks of short termism Ed if you ask me. I know he is not the finished article but if Jose really is looking to replace him with a 29 year old injury prone Gareth bale then I will be pretty livid.

Can’t blame martial he has 21 goals this season in all comps second only to Lukaku and played far less games. This has a feeling of De Bruyne if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😂. Would much rather he was sent on loan.

{Ed025's Note - a loan to everton sounds good to me park..i love the guy..


2.) 10 Apr 2018 17:17:21
I’m fairly certain marital has 12 goals. he's a fantastic talent but doesn’t perform consistently enough, and if he doesn’t want to be here then get rid. If he does want to stay, he needs to get his head down and work hard.


3.) 10 Apr 2018 17:58:57
My mistake caolan was meant to say goals and assist. All together it would be 19 not 21. Agreed mate consistency is a problem but getting rid would be a huge mistake. If he wants regular play time a loan is better.


4.) 10 Apr 2018 16:46:50
Would be a great move ed he would get regular game time and in the premier league. But only if big sam is not managing him. A fonesca or Marco silva would do nicely! Fingers crossed he isn’t leaving but I’m not optimistic unfortunately. Thanks for your input as always ed much appreciated.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..


5.) 10 Apr 2018 18:25:30
This will be our kdb moment and given who the coach is not a surprise.


6.) 10 Apr 2018 18:40:48
Need to remember he is still young and developing. To maximise his potential he needs to play. I can’t blame the lad for looking elsewhere. The club took his number off him after he was trying to build a brand, we then bought Sanchez and moved him from his favoured position to the right. We then did not give him a run of games to get use to being on the right and then dropped him.

It does not demonstrate that he is valued. More gives the impression of you are here to make up the numbers and will be moved around or messed around as soon as we sign somebody else. I would be gutted if he left.


7.) 10 Apr 2018 19:29:29
I wanted him loaned out this season. He needs to play to improve and the scope for improvement is huge.


8.) 10 Apr 2018 19:38:01
Don’t be agree or get the love in with Martial. He’s a 1 in 5 player, and he needs to work hard every single day he’s here to prove he’s worth his chance.

We vastly overpaid for him in desperation and has been ok, but Rashford stays and plays more then fine by me.

Of course he could be awesome and fingers crossed it’s more media nonsense and he becomes a world class talent for us but he’s a striker not a winger.


9.) 10 Apr 2018 19:56:07
Caolan this is utd player's minutes per goals or assists ratio.

Lukaku- 110 mins per goal/ assist
Rashford- 111 mins
Lingard- 108 mins
Martial- 103 mins

Looks more like we just don't give him a consistent enough run to actually let him perform well consistently. He was utd player of the month 3 times this season until the 500k man arrived then mourinho did what he does best with young attacking players.


10.) 10 Apr 2018 20:50:03
Is it a case of the manager wants rid or the player wants to leave. Quite a lot quick to blame Jose an cite de bruyne but I think eds said that wasn't down to Jose.


11.) 10 Apr 2018 22:28:15
Sanchez is ten times the player Martial is right now. Blaming Jose for his sulky nature and lethargic style is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he has the potential. But he needs to work hard to get there. Where is he realistically going to be allowed to move to that are equal to Utd and actually start matches? Modern footballers wind me up no end.


12.) 11 Apr 2018 00:26:18
Martial reminds me of Nani. Extremely talented but not consistent and extremely frustrating. Not sure if it's an attitude or lifestyle problem but he needs to change.


13.) 11 Apr 2018 00:49:21
Csm, I understand those stats, but they can be misleading eg the opening day he scored and assisted with 10 minutes left, but it shows the talent. Unfortunately, He’s not progressed in 3 years, his first season here was without doubt his best. He needs to show more and just keep an eye on Tahith Chong, works his backside off and looks a top talent. I don’t think martial has the desire, so if he wants to leave, let’s get a good price and move on.


14.) 11 Apr 2018 01:12:38
Don't disagree Eric, but that 10 times the player has also been ten times the tripe and not been benched, if martial had 1 game like Sanchez had a dozen he won't be starting for most of the 12 or so Sanchez has played for us.


15.) 11 Apr 2018 05:35:26
Caolan I don't have a problem with selling martial if the replacement is someone like a dybala but mourinho will replace martial with the Croatian Ashley young because he tracks back better. 2-3 years down the line when martial would be tearing it up in a team that actually is allowed to attack we will be in a Wayne Rooney situation with 2 30+ pace merchants who would have lost their pace and will be on high wages and whichever poor sap replaces mourinho will be left dealing with the issue and again we will be in a transition period.


16.) 11 Apr 2018 09:50:23
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at the moment in the wingers position.

He will do the job Mourinho requires him to do.


17.) 11 Apr 2018 10:09:34
MARTIAL's problem is Martial. Talent but gives the impression he only does what he thinks is enough which isn't always enough. If a deal to be had is better then let him go but not cheaply.


18.) 11 Apr 2018 10:43:51
What exactly is this job Singh.

Martial pl stats- 1347 mins 9 goals 5 assists

Croatian Ashley Young serie a stats- 2686 mins 9 goals 5 assists.

Sqauwka do a defense score in their comparison matrix it reads

Croatian Ashley Young- -23.9
Anthony Martial- 60.82

Doesn't seem like a defensive stalwart by looking at those stats. Only thing Croatian Ashley Young is better at than martial is his crossing and having watched him more than a few times, it ain't something to write home about. If we sign an actually decent lb we will get a crosser most likely better than the Croatian Ashley Young.


19.) 11 Apr 2018 11:27:55
Perisic is a decent player nothing more .
Done ok at inter last couple of years nothing more . will be 30 next season.


20.) 11 Apr 2018 11:41:23
Perisic is a decent player, who has had a couple of seasons of good form. But as CSM points out he is performing at currently around the same level as Martial. However, Martial has potential to get better whereas, Perisic will only decline.

However, Perisic plays predominantly on the left, Martial supposedly isn't happy because Sanchez has taken his place. Rashford supposedly isn't happy because he isn't starting as many games as he would like and he too has predominantly played on the left for Jose.

So we have three players two of which are talented young players who all predominantly play on the left.

Lingard has stepped up this year, and Mata remains consistent, we then have Angel Gomes and Chong in particular knocking on the door.

So why do people think that if Martial leaves he will be replaced?

If he leaves we probably won't see anyone come in to replace him. Sanchez has already done that.

Jose wants at least one full back, preferably two. A centre back despite already signing two and having a super talented Tuanzebe coming through. And at least one if not two midfielders again having already signing two, and having McTominay, TFM and Andreas Pereira trying to break through.

The forward positions are bottom of the list and we will only likely see another forward join after 4-5 other players who are higher priority. Which means we won't be signing one.

So by all means wish a super talented young player away, but don't cry when he isn't replaced and he goes on to become a star else where. Just like Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah did after Mourinho wasted their potential.


21.) 11 Apr 2018 11:58:14
Martial has been good this season when he's played. Has electric pace and the type of dribbling where it feels like the ball is glued to his foot. How many players in the world can you say that about? Add to that ice cool finishing and solid link up play. He is being wasted and will come back to haunt Mourinho like De Bruyne and Salah. Play Sanchez on the right (where he got his best goal and assist stats. Where he is comfortable playing) and Martial on the left of Lukaku. Serious skill, speed and finishing ability in that front 3 with Pogba supporting from deep.

But of course none of this is going to happen. Sanchez will play on the left to stunt Rashford and shuttle Martial out the door, while Martial will come back to piss all over us one day. Mourinho logic.


22.) 11 Apr 2018 13:11:53
Sorry but csm I don’t get why you’re comparing him to Persic, a completely different style of player? Once again thought it’s a minpulation of stats, whilst comparing two completely different players. I could find you a stat that says Milner was more creative than Scholes. I understand a lot of fans on here love martial, heck I’m a big fan of his, due to his talent but he’s not progressing on. Let me ask you this, would he have dug in on Saturday like Sanchez and tried to eat us big in the game. I don’t see the attitude from him that will make him a really top class player, that I know he can become. As snappy says there are young hungry players coming through the academy, so maybe let’s promote one and stick to the club values? Rather than spending our time on a player who has rejected a new 5 year deal (which shows the club value him) . It’s that reason why I’m not opposed to selling him.


23.) 11 Apr 2018 13:45:56
Martial isn't going yo get chances at United until Mourinho is here. Like Shappy has said Sanchez has already replaced him and if Mourinho signs another attacker it will limit his progress further.

He could be a superstar in the making but it just isn't going to happen at United unless something drastically changes.

Hr has had enough chances to prove himself at lw but hasn't really done much, stats are stats and it makes Ban Dost look like world class.


24.) 11 Apr 2018 14:01:30
So people want to sell martial?
Lot of people trying to justify the sale .
I do wonder if people would be wanting to get rid rid of him if it wasn't for the fact it's in the press .

Same goes for perisic being twice the player martial is . I doubt that would be the case if he wasn't linked to us last summer .
If martial signs a new contract has the club and Jose made a massive then reading above .
In fact are they in the wrong offering him a new contract?


25.) 11 Apr 2018 14:06:15
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at lw. Have you not seen how many times Martial loses the ball, makes wrong decisions and just stands their confused or even sulks when things don't go his way at lw.

Martial has loads of potential but not at lw. He will never be a winger unless he changes things draatically.


26.) 11 Apr 2018 14:11:48
Perisic is a lw isn't he caolan, milner scholes comparison is stupid but lw is lw styles might be different but end result expected is the same, it isn't mf where a pogba has different job to a matic. Your job as a lw is scoring or creating goals. Ronaldo and Beckham were different players with different styles but we expected both to either create or score goals. If we sign a lw we will expect him to score and create won't we?

You ask about the city, you seem to forget that it was martial who assisted lukaku in the Chelsea game for the equalizer and scored the late winner against spurs.

Also it's funny you complained about martial being inconsistent yet bring up Sanchez in comparison a player who has been nothing but inconsistent for us.


27.) 11 Apr 2018 14:16:38
Do you have some substance to back up this twice the player stance Singh because there isn't any metric out there that proves perisic is better than martial let alone being twice the player.


28.) 11 Apr 2018 14:41:39
CSM, I didn’t say Sanchez has been consistent did I? Merely pointing to the battling performance at the weekend I don’t think martial may be capable off, and he hasn’t shown that yet. Also shall we go back to that Chelsea game? He played a lovely pass to lukaku for the goal, and then was god awful after that.
And no I don’t agree that you can compare persic to martial, as all you’ve done is take statistics and use them as gospel. Don’t understand how you can say that’s a fair comparison but Milner to Scholes isn’t? Both play in the midfield don’t they?
Also if you read my post you’ll see that I don’t dislike martial, but he’s not been consistent enough, or hell even progressed. If he misses a chance his head drops, eg the Newcastle away game. He has all the talent in the world but I don’t know if he has the desire to achieve it. His movement off the ball at times is non existent, he would reluctantly go backwards, is he capable of a high press? The talent is there. He needs to work hard and fulfill that potential. I’m order to achieve that if he feels the need to leave then good luck to him. It’s the same with pogba.


29.) 11 Apr 2018 14:45:16
The main complaints about Martial is he doesn't track back, he is inconsistent, he loses the ball often and he should when things don't go his way.

Obviously the people voicing these complaints either haven't been United fans that long or they have very short memories.

All of the above could have been leveled at a 21 year old Ronaldo.

Sulks if he doesn't get the ball, inconsistent, doesn't track back, loses the ball.

Very short memories.


30.) 11 Apr 2018 14:51:53
Shappy, my criticism isn’t entirely based around work rate, but is he putting in the work Ronaldo did? We don’t know. Also the reason I’m leaning towards selling him is that the various reports state he rejected a contract. If that’s the case and he doesn’t want to be at united anymore then sell him.


31.) 11 Apr 2018 14:54:41
If Ed 2s about can you clarify it was de Bruyne who wanted to leave Chelsea. Also same with Lukaku and Salah. Apologies I know you've this before but I think it just needs to be clarified.

{Ed002's Note - De Bruyne and Salah both wanted to leave for specific reasons and Chelsea did not stand in their way. Lukaku did something which meant he would never return to Chelsea from loan and would never play for the club again.}


32.) 11 Apr 2018 15:15:03
Caolan
So if it is true that he has been offered a contract are the club and Jose wrong to offer him one based on the negatives above .

Very talent young player and people want to sell him?
I hope he stays and relises his potential at United.
Got to wonder what some on here would of thought of a young Ronaldo.
Singh
Have you actually watched perisic, he really isn't twice the player martial is .


33.) 11 Apr 2018 15:51:44
Caolan again remind me what Sanchez did other than the 2 assists before or after? He is 22 if you expect a 22 year old attacker in a jose mourinho team to be consistently brilliant either you are naive or have never watched football.

Most reports suggest that he isn't happy with the playing time which has been compounded by the signing of Sanchez, he isn't wrong in that is he. He rightfully started on the bench rather than first 11 this season because of his last season performances but then performed well enough to displace rashford and was one of our better attacking players until Sanchez arrived. Would you sign a contract if you get benched for multiple games after a single bad games but are forced to change position because a new player comes in who then proceeds to set new standards on how bad you can play but this player never gets benched.

About perisic martial comparison, you keep bringing milner and scholes in the conversation when they don't play the same position or are expected to do the same job yet ignore my Ronaldo and Beckham comparison because it doesn't suit your point. There is no real stat or fact or anything that can firmly say that perisic is better than martial so you come up with stuff like goals and assists aren't the only things we rate wingers on, fact is that is the biggest point on which people rate attackers on.

You don't want Sanchez or griezmann ahead of martial or rashford because they run more or track back but because they are better going forward and the Croatian Ashley Young ain't.


34.) 11 Apr 2018 16:01:24
Media spouts nonsense and the page goes into meltdown blaming Jose for this and that. Blah blah noise. Read what ed2 says above. None of which had anything to do with Mourinho. It’s very tiresome reacting from day to day on this stuff.

Jose hates youngsters so much he didn’t go to school and won’t talk to his children until they’re 25.

{Ed001's Note - that's not true Jose loves kids, on toast with a bit of cheese, but he couldn't eat a whole one...}


35.) 11 Apr 2018 16:31:49
Eric, I believe both Salah and De Bruyne left Chelsea for more playing time, in fact for any playing time as he wouldn't pick them.

Are you suggesting that Jose doesn't get to pick the team?

Jose may not have activity tried to sell them, but he didn't give them a chance. So they had to leave to further their careers.

No one is saying Martial, Shaw and Rashford want to leave United because they have it in Manchester, not is anyone saying they are being forced out by Jose. Merely Jose doesn't trust young players, he doesn't progress them as he doesn't create an environment for them to flourish. He would rather sign older players because Jose doesn't think about next season or the future of the club he is working for, he only cares about this season and how many trophies he can win for Jose Mourinho.

That is why he is a short term manager, and unless he wins the title next season he won't be our manager by the start of the 2019/ 20 season.

{Ed002's Note - No it was not really the situation with either player, it was more complex than that.}


36.) 11 Apr 2018 16:38:04
So where have I put down persic is better mate? And I’ll comment on Ronaldo and Beckham if you want. Two completely contrasting styles of players yet again. Only here for a bit of a debate and to give my opinion. No need to call me naive or question whether I’ve watched a game. At the end of the day you have your opinion, and I may not agree with it but it’s not me having a go, because we all have an opinion and no one is right or wrong. Last I’m going to say on the matter.


37.) 11 Apr 2018 16:55:31
And sorry I just seen the question about whether the club should offer him a new deal from Jred.
I’m reaponse mate, if the club feel he can fulfill his potential and he’s willing to work hard to do so then off course like I said earlier. There’s no doubting his potential at all the main reason I’m saying about getting rid of him is the fact that he’s apparently turned this deal down. My point is I don’t think he’d be as missed as people say, but it’s only my opinion.
At the end of the day I’d love him to stay here and become a legend, score 200+ goals. However, at this moment I don’t see that happening. I hope I’m wrong, but if he wants out, let him out. Last I’m saying.


38.) 11 Apr 2018 17:08:25
Didn't mean to cause offense caolan, sorry if i have. But it is annoying when people expect consistency from 22 year old attackers especially given our attacking play.


39.) 11 Apr 2018 17:10:59
When Ronaldo was here it was a differenr situation . We had fergie as our manager, we didn't have to compete with 4 other possible premier league challengers . We had a proper defence had a very good midfield had Tevez and Rooney and vannisteroy so we couldve carried a 21 year old inconsistent Ronaldo and even then he Ronaldo showed more skill then Martial has in his time here.


40.) 11 Apr 2018 17:20:35
No worries CSM. I’m not expecting Ronaldo/ Messi performances but I get frustrated with him because of how much ability he has, and I’m sure there are many who want to see a hell of a lot more from him because we know that potential.


41.) 11 Apr 2018 18:00:32
Singh
After reading all that then you want to sell him?


42.) 11 Apr 2018 18:28:37
Shappy he can only play 11 players at a time. Jose thinks sanchez is better than martial. I agree with him. He also thinks at this time that rashford is a better option than martial. I agree with him. He thinks lukaku is a better option i agree with him.
Its just The managers preference.
Lampard said last night that he never saw the potential in salah nobody at chelsea did and his leaving had nothing to do with jose personally nor did kdb leaving.


43.) 11 Apr 2018 19:03:49
Looks like I’m massively in the minority but if it were a simple case (which it isn’t of course, with £/ age factors) of Martial or Bale, I’d have Bale every time. So he’s much older, past his prime and with a questionable injury history. But he’s still got plenty left in the tank. Martial was a panic buy worth nothing like what was paid and has never been as good as his debut against Liverpool. Next Henry? Give me a break, he’s not on the same planet.


44.) 11 Apr 2018 19:14:35
Again Jred its about if Martial can be happy being part of the squad then he should stay but if he wants more game and if Mourinho isn't going to give him assurance then for his own career he should move elsewhere to get the game time he badly desires.

I would keep him if i was in charge at the club but i am not and i am here debating with you like many others.

You can't keep everyone happy and if Martial really wants to fight for his place and like mentioned in the media the contract is on the table foe him then he should sign it and fight for his player like everyone else.

If i was him personally i would make a move and get the game time i so badly want.

There are so many good clubs around the world he can make a name wirh foe himself.


45.) 11 Apr 2018 21:19:51
Singh
You seem to of given a lot of reasons to get rid of him.


46.) 11 Apr 2018 22:48:26
I don’t really post on here much just like reading everyone’s opinions but this thread is ridiculous.

Also I don’t know if you guys played football or if you did to what standard but if I was either martial or Rashford I’d be looking to the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku etc and saying help me. Looking at these players day in day out should show you what you need to improve yourself.

Martial has bags of potential BUT does he want to fight for his place and prove that he deserves to stay there? Does he try and adapt his game to fit playing right wing? Is he trying to develop himself after training etc or does he go home straight away? We don’t know the answers to these questions so therefore we don’t have that much knowledge on the matter.

I also seem to remember an attacking midfielder that had was better than Wayne Rooney when we signed him, he had bags of potential to. that was ANDERSON. Great potential turned into an average player.

Talent doesn’t automatically mean your going to be a star, you still have to work and dedicate yourself to the game so that you can maximise your potential e.g Ronaldo.

I don’t want him to leave but the club may see him strolling around in training not over bothered, bad attitude etc, not willing to learn blah blah blah. They are in the best possible position to make a decision on getting rid of him.


47.) 11 Apr 2018 23:15:15
Gazza91 top post that.


48.) 12 Apr 2018 08:29:54
Gaza
If that was the case why would they offer him a new contract.


49.) 12 Apr 2018 16:21:11
So if the player wants to leave should we keep him jred?


50.) 12 Apr 2018 18:18:11
Ken
If he wants to leave and won't sign a contract then it would be best to let him go .

But all this we should sell because of x y z are a bit silly imo .
If there were not rumours in the papers very few would want to sell a very talented young player .


51.) 12 Apr 2018 23:09:22
I wanted him to go on loan this season i feared that this would be The situation if he didn't. He actually got more game time than i thought he would be given.
He does have potential and now we are 1 year further down the line and we are none the wiser and he is no closer to fulfilling that potential if he had a hreat season in italy or spain then at least he would be coming back proven and confident and be a more rounded and experienced player. But now starved of meaningful gametime we have forced him into a corner.
But to be fair he hasn't forced himself into the team either.
Hindsight is 20/ 20 vision i suppose.


52.) 13 Apr 2018 10:13:03
He has been offered a 5 year contract which talks you a lot .
40 appearances so far in the EPL only lukaku has scored more
If he had went out on loan would he of gained more than that?
Who would of taking up the slack of him not being here?
How would his situation now of been any different, lukaku Sanchez etc would still be at the club he would still want reasurrences over his playing time .
New contract with a lot of other options as he is a top player, big decision .


 

 

28 Apr 2017 16:28:10
So gutted if the reports are true that fosu mensah has dislocated his shoulder. Was so looking forward to him getting some game time in midfield as I believe an eventual combination of him Herrera and pogba would compliment eachother very well.

The injuries really have taken its toll and it time for the players to stand up and be counted for. Rooney apparently could play in midfield and many will disagree but I think he could have provided a link from midfield to attack that we were missing yesterday. Not the same player but he can still do a job. Big game Sunday let's get the 3 points on the board and put pressure on city and the scousers.

Lots to play for and could end up being a special end if the seasons. Onwards and upwards.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - mensah is not the biggest loss though park, better him out than one of the bigger names as im sure we wont see the best of him until next season at the earliest mate..


1.) 29 Apr 2017 14:40:00
We need to remain calm about the youth players. I'm a huge fan of Rashfords potential but he isn't in the top 50 scorers in the 'league' this season and Mensah has done nothing yet to even be discussed as the main defensive midfielder in a team that wants to win the CL. It's almost bordering on hysteria. Both their positions need serious strengthening in the summer.


 

 

 

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30 Jul 2018 00:19:50
I’ve generally kept away from this site this summer as it has particular difficult both on and off the pitch. I’ve proposed to my mrs and got the job of my dreams so thing have been particularly great for me.

I sit here and Assess
The whole situation and think what the heck is going on. We have a world class manager and that may be hard for some to stomach but we have. People complain but we have a manager who is prepared to challenge the statutus quo. It is quite clear for me and others (such as Redman) that the owners and board are happy to contend with top 4. We have manager who is so committed to winning the league yet the board and Woodward are do not share the same ambition.

Question is who is who is to blame? Touch question . On the surface Jose has been particularly worrisome and extremely hard to stomach for his comments. But can you blame him. He asked for 5 players and we haven’t delivered on one! Let that suck in. Conversely the argument is he has been. Backed to the hilt. I can appreciate this view as he has signed sanche, Lukaku pogba and bailly. But pep has signed 20 and Jose 9. Hard to see how this is fair.

Just to reiterate I hate jose’s Style. It is painful sad for such a great manager to resort to defensive tactics. He has not really adjusted to modern football and that is a concern. Who do we turn to? Who is eligible to take take on the mantel of United. Tough to say. But it is Tim we start playing the United ways. Start entertaining the millions sitting at home walking up at 4am yo watch our beloved team. Do I want to sack Jose? Tbh no. He is not being backed. But the key is that he is not getting the most out of the world class players we have at our disposal a sanchez, pogba and Lukaku are utterly world class and would grace any team. Let us nurture and build the team around them. Sorry for the long post but I’ve really struggled with the negativity and struggle that had been prevalent during this time. We have some very good players coming through and through purchasing. Time Jose gets the best of them. Personally I’m happy with progress and think we will be fine once new signings make their mark. Only Time
Will tell.

Park3lung

1.) 30 Jul 2018 01:39:08
Dude. This 9 to 20.

You do realise mourinjo demanded pogba and in the same summer United could of had kante, mane and sane.

Even paying more than the club's paid for them.

You could of won the title on the back of those 3. Instead your stuck with pogba and paid 90 million for him to come into some sort of consistent class. You don't pay that for development 🤣

I'm not trolling but mourinjo has made mistakes in the players he has bought and your reaping the rewards for that now. Whereas us at the pool are benefiting from ours. That's the game really.

Pogba or kante where the choice. Kante would of made you title challengers but pogba made you buy fred and matic to just accommodate him.


2.) 30 Jul 2018 05:22:02
Park, I was going to write a post but it would have been mostly what you've written. People are losing their bowels at this preseason. I seen preseason's where we have played extraordinary and started the season flat. And I've seen the opposite. They mean absolutely nothing.

As ed002 has said, we are working on bringing in players. It would have been ideal to get them in sooner but there hasn't been a lot of movement in Europe yet.

Jose is a man with his back against the wall. This is what he does. He's not afraid to call out the board so the blame doesn't fall on him and as supporters, that should be commended. If we can get a couple of additions and navigate the first few games before we have our full squad back, I think we have every chance of mounting a challenge.

As for you Kloopsboss, winning the league is that easy is it? You'd want to tell Krusty the clown about your winning formula. Klopp has never even made his missus a cup of tea, he's never got close to a cup!


3.) 30 Jul 2018 06:35:21
Well said Park and Mumbles.
I can’t say anything about Kloppity not winning anything and missing out since 2012. Achieve first before you start shooting at others. Nothing compared to Jose who put silverware in the cupboard despite playing boring footy and not his desired players. So Kloppity supporters should zip and only comment when there is silverware won.


4.) 30 Jul 2018 07:00:07
Never seen any other story in the media and then"confirmed' on here than that Kante made his mind up he was going to Chelsea long before UTD showed any interest.


5.) 30 Jul 2018 07:59:34
It’s not te preseason that peolpe are exeriaed anout. It’s Jose’s negativity and whining. He wants more players whilst trying to ship out the likes of Pogba. Do you really think this is all for the press, and around the squad he is positive and talking about winning the title? I don’t, he is sending clear messages to the players that ‘you aren’t good emough’. Some will say that’s fine but for me, if just creates a very negative environment.


6.) 30 Jul 2018 08:41:13
But they are not good enough ajh. Should that be a secret? Poor players in too many positions. If jose was telling the world we were world beaters and good enough would you believe him? Would the players?
I wouldn't.


7.) 30 Jul 2018 09:30:54
It would de motivate me seeing the way he carries on - the bloke is a PR disaster -whether that it is important or not is open to interpretation.

For a manager of MUFC to be favourite with the bookies to be first PL manager to be sacked is another stain on the clubs image for those who care about such things.

Players are not immune to all the noise positive or negative around the club. My patience with him is being sorely tested.


8.) 30 Jul 2018 10:16:49
If we could have got Sane, Mane and Kane now that really would have been insane. What a front 3.


9.) 30 Jul 2018 10:43:35
I don’t think it’s that black and white ken. There are a bunch we need to move on and some we need to nurture and develop. I actually think we will do ok when everyone is back, Rom, Rash, Lingard, Young, Pogba, even Lindelof all had deep World Cups and their confidence should be sky high. Full backs are the key for me, we lack an attacking threat as they all stand on the ball and slow it down. Pacey, attacking full backs would make a real difference.


10.) 30 Jul 2018 14:42:40
Totally agree ajh.


 

 

26 Jul 2018 15:05:32
Made my day seeing the video is sir alex looking well and speaking. Best bit of news I will receive all year. It’s strange that even though I’ve never met the great man, when he was unwell it truly felt like my own grandfather was sick. He has given me some of the happiest moments of my life and is the reason why I am in love with this amazing football club. Can’t wait to see him at old Trafford this season supporting the boys. He is a truly remarkable man and he has fought and won his hardest battle. Such an inspiration. Hope to see you in the stands soon boss.

Park3lung

1.) 26 Jul 2018 20:13:52
I hope he stays away from the stadium, and doesn't watch another season of crap football. Don't think he can take it anymore.


 

 

26 Jul 2018 12:52:04
Anyone else been impressed with pereira? I know it’s pre season and we haven’t set the world alight, nor has the quality been particularly great. But he has looked very comfortable and has stood out in the no 6 role. The biggest bonus is that is that he is always has his head up and is looking for that forward pass. His close control is good and he has a bit of bit and nasty streak to him which we lack. He is building a nice understanding with Sanchez with the latter looking much sharper. We have missed somebody to dictate and control the tempo of play since Carrick hardly played last season. Always been a big fan of his and thought going on loan was a mistake. Hope to see him start against Leicester and really try to cement a place in the starting side.


Many including myself have perhaps written off the impact Sanchez could have next season. He will be like a new signing. I like the idea of 3 at the back and perhaps him up top with Lukaku. But the right is where I think we should be playing him, unlikely it will happen. I know this pre season we have been a bit poor but with a few signings and integration of some very talented youngsters, I think we will have a very interesting side.

Park3lung

1.) 26 Jul 2018 13:12:19
My thoughts on Andreas.
He played a similar role last season and did okay.
Some of his passing range was top quality today, with him switching play very quickly. Reminds me a bit of like Pjanic.
He is quick, shields the ball, can dribble, very importanly confident on the ball and tries to be physical and runs back to win the balls.
He has generally performed well whenever we have given him gametime.
Last season had he not been so impatient he probably would have played a few games.
His loan spells have been okay.
The positive part about him is that he is very good at set pieces and corners. which we are terrible at.
And the fact he is comfortable playing anywhere across the midfield is a bonus.
I would put him ahead of Herrera.
Out of all three I think Rashford is the most suited to play RW than Martial or Sanchez.
I like the fact that Pereira brings a speed of thought to our play.
Something we clearly lack as we often have players that really build up quite slowly.


2.) 26 Jul 2018 13:22:08
Alway's liked Pereira, I asked Ed002 earlier this year if he was likely to stay and I think Ed002 said he would probably be made available for transfer, hope he manages to change Mourinho's mind!

{Ed002's Note - If he stays one of the other Home Grown players over 21 must then leave.


3.) 26 Jul 2018 13:32:34
Thanks Ed002.


4.) 26 Jul 2018 13:51:34
That’s a Great shout on the comparison with pjanic, Rohan. Think he deserves a chance to stay and stake a claim. Offers more going forward than all of our midfielders barring pogba, not including Fred as we are yet to see him in action. Agreed that pereira has quality from dead ball situations that we sorely miss. Could bring the best out of pogba. Only time will tell.


5.) 26 Jul 2018 14:13:30
Ed02 - Sorry but why has one of the HG players got to leave? I thought you could have as many HG players as you wished but only 17 NON HG players in a squad of 25.

{Ed002's Note - Not HG, just another player over 21.}


 

 

23 Jul 2018 16:22:38
It is a really strange feeling being a united fan at the moment. I almost feel a bit numb at present with the whole situation, players and manager. This apparent lack of energy or positivity at the moment is really beginning to infiltrate even the most positive members of our fan base. I consider myself as someone who generally is a bit more positive but even I am really struggling.

The whole club is a mess. From top to bottom it is riddled with lack of planning and lack of clarity. Clearly ed was correct that sacking lvg when we had allegri would have potentially been more fruitful than hiring Jose. I’m not going to pretend that the football was not dire under lvg because it was the worst I’ve ever seen. Add gee Moyes debacle and it has simply been utterly embarrassing the way the club has been run in the aftermath of Fergie’s exit.

Who is to blame? Depends which side of the fence you stand on. I think Fergie knew that the glazer’s were unlikely to spend the money and he packed it in at the right time. It seems that we are becoming the new arsenal. Top 4 is the minimum and as long as the money keeps coming in then it doesn’t matter about winning. I am not disputing that we have not spent money, but the outlay has been so grossly miss spent that we have struggled to recover.

My question is if the board are not going to fully back Jose, then why on earth have they given him a new contract? He wants to win, he demands nothing but first place. How can he achieve this when he is not given all the tools to achieve it? There is a lack of ambition from the board of the richest club in the world and I’m unsure why people cannot see that this is no longer an issue with the manager. There is an inherent institutional problem within the club, and no new manager is going to fix this.

I’m not saying Jose is blameless, far from it. The football is so dire. There are still players such as smalling, Jones, young, shaw (sick of hearing about potential) and fellaini who needed to be moved on years ago. And yet he has still relied on 4 out of the 5. He has had plenty of time to address the full back areas which are so severely lacking in quality that we are relying on two converted wingers. Jose’s stubbornness has contributed to the issues we have today. But if he is backed properly and we stop penny pinching, then I do believe he can build a sustained title challenge.

These days I wish had a board more akin to city’s who back their manager fully, who have ambition and an insatiable desire to win. At least then we would know what Jose is capable of. Right now I cannot judge him fully or fairly because he is not completely at fault. He is working with one hand tied behind his back, and yet some fans cannot see that. It’s always jose’s Fault, but the problem is far bigger and serious. At least if the board were like city’s, Jose would be left with no excuses.

It is worrying times currently being a united fan. Usually by this stage of the summer I am buzzing for the season to start. To be honest I’m dreading it. But we still have time left and I do hope we sign a few players. The problems lie with Woodward, glazers and the board. As the Eds have mentioned, we should have appointed a director of football. We need to start running this club properly as a FOOTBALL CLUB. Yeh the commercial side is important, but for too long we have not done the business of the pitch. If we don’t address the areas that Jose wants, I can see it getting very ugly very quickly. Give him the tools and he will challenge because he is a very good manager.

Park3lung

1.) 23 Jul 2018 17:34:30
Really good post park.
I agree with an awful lot of that.
Apparently we are trying to appoint a DoF. Until that happens all football decisions will be inconsistent unless the manager has full control imo.
The strategy three club are working to is not obvious to me or to many i suspect in terms of football strategy from recruitment and development through to 1st team style and sustainability.

Im not over concerned by our window so far. If we have to go with the squad we have i think the manager can keep us competitive but it will be a tough slog because he will be unhappy and Several players will be unhappy it will be more of the same and i'm pretty sure nobody wants that.
Back in 2008 we won the league scoring 68 goals. That won't cut it anymore.


2.) 23 Jul 2018 17:37:31
Glazers and Woodward don't care.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 18:42:54
Over the last 2 year we have spent absolutely millions and listen to the spoilt fans .
No wonder United fans get a bad name at times.
Over the last couple of years we have spent more than 99% of the teams in the world .
Jose needed a cb we bought 2 . He doesn't pick them .
He wanted a star cm we broke the transfer record for pogba .
He wanted a striker we spent 90 mil on lukaku
He wanted a winger we made Sanchez the highest paid player in EPL history . Blew city out the water

Never mind the city board its there manager we need .


4.) 23 Jul 2018 19:34:46
Pep bought 2 50m cb's and didn't play them either. Bought a 40m right winger hardly played him now bought another right winger this summer because he wants to sell sterling who scored 20 plus goals last season. Had 2 rbs with 4 or 5 epl titles but wanted a different one so spend 50m on him and 40m on yet another rb 2 weeks later and didn't play him
Not sure he would be interested in working under our board as they don't want to spend that sort of money.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 19:41:07
Loll jred you need to get over yourself with Guardiola. You still think he's the best in the world? .


6.) 23 Jul 2018 20:18:59
Singh i think its fair to say pep is no 1 at the moment. But he has has great backing to the fullest. Some get full backing and don't smash records like city did. But he didn't want to work at united becauae he was sounded out about the job. I don't know his reasons but i'd imagine he was offered better funds by city.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 20:46:14
Singh, whether Pep is the best in the world can be debated, but his team did ok last season just scraping home in the title race. They played a brand of football that most on here want to see and complain when our manager can't deliver the same.


8.) 24 Jul 2018 04:33:01
Ken
Lol it's the board fault now not Jose.
It's Jose fault it's Jose fault.


9.) 24 Jul 2018 08:22:15
Excellent analyis, Park. If only more posters on here thoughts that deeply before reacting and posting. Well done.


 

 

15 Jul 2018 17:41:45
So pleased for pogba. Brilliant player and has had a very good tournament. Hope to see him carry on this form this season.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - Where?}


1.) 15 Jul 2018 17:55:32
All about desire shown this world cup all the silly excuses he can only a certain position, can't play cm can defend are rubbish .
Defensively been excellent for France .
Doesn't look interested or happy at United certainly when compared to him in the French shirt during this wc.


2.) 15 Jul 2018 17:57:12
That’s the question ed! Hopefully united. But as you have previously said, that may not be an option.


3.) 15 Jul 2018 18:00:08
Oh ed you tease 🤣.

{Ed002's Note - He has been offered around - I keep telling you all that.}


4.) 15 Jul 2018 18:05:30
Hes shown this form at united, whenever we've played well he's been at the heart of it.

Agree with Jred, neither him or jose will be here in a couple of years.


5.) 15 Jul 2018 18:15:37
Pogba lining up next to SMS in midfield, pinging balls to Bale and Perisic on the wings!


6.) 15 Jul 2018 18:40:00
Mumbles, that's a 250 million comment to contemplate.


7.) 15 Jul 2018 18:53:30
That was tongue in cheek mate.


8.) 15 Jul 2018 19:10:37
Comments are free and it won't cost 250 milliion. 😂😂😂.


9.) 15 Jul 2018 21:08:00
Didn’t think Pogba did all that much today tbh, had a decent tournament but still not seen the hype if I’m honest.


10.) 15 Jul 2018 22:03:08
He was fantastic today anf has been all tournament to br fair and i am one of his biggest critics.

He has worked tremendously hard in the tournament and has also helped the team defensively which he didn't do much this season for us.


 

 

 

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Would be a shame as would have like to have seen him get more minutes. Especially with Valencia out and Dalot an unknown quantity. Hope this doesn’t mean darmian won’t be moved on. Guess we will have to wait and see how this pans out.

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02 Aug 2018 11:03:42
Eric he will only be back up for those sides. Great attitude but nothing more than a full back. Suited more to the Italian style of play - a lot slower.

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01 Aug 2018 14:20:28
Don’t go ruining it for all of us panne. Can’t get this information anywhere else but this site. Muppet.

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14 Jul 2018 16:33:47
Maguire has been great this World Cup but he is still defensively suspect. He looks much better in a 3 as he is afforded more protection when he goes off venturing upfield. But in a two he is such a liability. I would be happy to sign him if we are to move to a 3 at the back. But we should be going all out for Alderweireld who is the best cb in the league.

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05 Jul 2018 14:38:49
I agree ed would be a good move for all parties. Think he can be a top top player. Cheers ed.

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15 Aug 2018 23:58:30
Thanks for taking the time to post RJ, always insightful to hear from other fans who have experienced the enigma that is Jose Mourinho.

You make some well reasoned points, but there are a few things I must disagree on. The main point is regarding your comments on Jose playing youth players. As you very well know he has given most minutes to academy players. If this was pep, Klopp or Poch the media would be rejoicing how incredible they are. But because it is Jose, yourself and others always play this down by saying ‘oh Lingard and rashford have been forced on him or are already established’. It’s nonsense tbh. Jesse had his best season last year and really excelled in ways I never thought he would. Credit goes to both player and manager. You can’t praise pep for playing an academy player but then criticise Jose for doing the same thing.

We have some very talented youngsters coming through he have the potential to be great players. But they are simply not ready to be relied on as main players to our squad. Personally I think fosu mensah should have stayed but he is going out and getting a second year of invaluable experience at a premier league club. Chelsea are the worst at loaning of promising players and then selling for a massive profit. It is almost impossible to come through the ranks at Chelsea. The narrative is that it is jose’s Fault that De Bruyne and salah and Lukaku were sold. It’s garbage quite frankly. There is a inherent problem at Chelsea where they struggle to bring their own products through. Mainly due to constant changing of managers. I digress.

I agree the style is poor and it needs to improve. He needs to get more out of the current crop as there is some real quality in there. Although he has been given money to spend, he was not backed fully the way pep (last year) and Klopp (this year) have been. We needed a lb, Cb and rw. He just has to make do with what he has. I want to see the old resilient Jose of the first Chelsea spell back. That man was engaging, inspiring and supremely driven to win at all costs. I hope we see it. If not, we part ways and look elsewhere.

Park3lung

{Ed001's Note - no, it is because the stats are being skewed. He has given most minutes to 'academy players' not necessarily young players. Lingard is 25. You are only eligible for winning young player of the year or any other young player awards up until 23. So every minute given to Lingard that Jose fans are using to suggest he plays youngsters needs to be immediately discounted. You are praising him for playing a fully establish first team player because he came through the academy 7 years ago! Ridiculous. Utter joke and just shows the lengths people will go to in order to kid others. It would be as silly as lauding Fergie for playing youth team players when he brought back Scholes, after all he came through the academy.}


 

 

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11 Aug 2018 10:32:15
Bit bored Walter? Have you guys finished celebrating the ‘we have won the league in August’ yet?

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11 Aug 2018 07:55:59
Agree with that assessment. Thought Sanchez was very poor but played some nice balls. Obviously he is a world class player though CSM and I expect him to have a very good season. We need to shift him to the right and use his ability to cross the ball. The biggest bonus for me was the togetherness of the team after shaw scored. Clearly he is a popular member of the squad and there is a good team spirit within the squad. Great to see Jose celebrating his goal today and praising him near the end and before the match. Me thinks that all this negativity from Jose has been a way to create a siege mentality, them against us. The players and manager are clearly on the same page and with a few tweaks and consistency and I think we will have a good season. Just need to go for the kill when we have gone a goal up as opposed to inviting pressure on ourselves. I love the look of the midfield combinations and they all compliment each other very well. Pogba is a die a big season and I can see him having a huge season. Great to see united back playing, even if the football is not always entertaining.

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08 Aug 2018 19:59:03
Great post redfaith. Can’t wait for the window to shut so we can get on with business.

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08 Aug 2018 14:32:57
We will be ok guys. There are glaring gaps in key positions but we do have some very good players. Hopefully we add some but if not, Jose has to get the best out of what he has. Get pogba, sanchez and Lukaku clicking and we will challenge. Let’s get not sucked into the media crap and hate because it is splitting the fanbase apart. Sky don’t have a clue what is going on. Earlier they said Boateng rejected us and now saying both him and Maguire want to join. Nobody knows what is going on. Ed said expect some movements so let’s just trust the process. Things are not great but let’s get behind our club. Whatever 11 players cross the white line at old Trafford on Friday night will have my unwavering support. Whatever will be will be. Let’s just try and enjoy the ride.

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