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19 May 2018 20:25:52
I take comfort from the fact we’ll never see that group of players as a starting 11 again. Today truly showed how poor we are down the flanks. Young and Valencia must be in bottom three pairings of fullbacks in the prem.


1.) 19 May 2018 22:29:01
Zero delivery from the flanks it’s true. Toothless all match and Chelsea kept us very much at arm’s length today.

2.) 19 May 2018 23:22:12
i wouldn't hold your breath, 4 transfers windows in and we still and Valencia smalling jones and you.

3.) 20 May 2018 07:15:01
2 wingers that can't cross or go outside the fullbacks. Rashford played out of position again and another 45 minute game. and this was a cup final! Second half we asked questions but whee were we first half. And Lukaku tells Jose he's not ready to play? Is the tail wagging the dog?
So we finish 2nd and I've yet to meet another fan that's happy. Jose has a lot to do and what world star wants to play this brand of football? Another long summer buying average players?

4.) 20 May 2018 08:29:03
Said to a pal of mine watching it that we’d wasted a whole half of s match in this game. When we woke up it was too late, not that we ever looked like scoring.

Perhaps we need an attacking coach to work on these aspects of our game alongside Jose if he to stay as it’s not working.

5.) 20 May 2018 13:05:11
we Should be getting shot of Jose, he won’t get anywhere near city next season all he will do is buy short term fixes like Willian which doesn’t helper the club in the future. Do we waste another season. Why not get in a young manager who actually understands the modern game and will maybe play for a win now and again. City will be untouchable for next couple of years so get a manager in with a 3 year plan to produce a winning squad who play the Utd way. One More season under Jose Andy his bus stop could do unrepairable damage I mean what too footballers want to come and defend all season.

6.) 20 May 2018 14:26:30
“Unreparable damage”? Really? You actually believe that? The club will be ruined *forever* if Mourinho stays?

7.) 20 May 2018 20:43:54
Think one more season of rubbish and Jose will be heading for the exit door. Jones and his kamakazi defending cost us again his face gurning at every tackle. Our defence is old and one dimensional. Sanchez has done naff all since arriving, Rashford needs a boot up the butt, He his not world class as yet, but plays like he has won everything in the game . Lot of players in our squad need to take a look at themselves over the summer and come back wanting to play for the shirt and to entertain the paying fans. That goes for Jose also, Other teams are working him out and he has no plan B, C or D. Roll on the World Cup .

{Ed025's Note - its hard to disagree with that rock..

8.) 21 May 2018 12:14:14
Cheers Ed.

{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..




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30 Sep 2018 17:53:59
I’ll put my head above the pulpit. Now is absolutely not the time to sack Jose. Now is the time for United hierarchy to go full out support of him. To sack him caves in to player power, and I can’t see one single player who I’d keep ahead of Jose. The guy is a serial winner and deserves the chance to win this battle. I’m not even considering the alternatives as sacking Jose immediately puts every replacement at a severe disadvantage - if Pogba doesn’t like them it begins again. Slowly at first.

Yes Jose an egomaniac ( you have to be to manage United), yes his style is at odds with our values. Nevertheless can you imagine the faces and the egos of certain members of the squad if it happens. Sir Matt would be turning in his grave and Sir Alex will be furious.

Pogba must be sent packing first in January. He is the toxic one. Remember. He is an employee, nothing more. He certainly isn’t a world class footballer. The atmosphere will change immediately and the correct notion of the manager demanding respect and pivotal status is preserved. It sends a message to the squad for Jose and the next manager.

Next we need January investment under the longer term vision of an appropriate DOF. Then, and only then, can any thought of Jose leaving be given countenance.

This is more than just next season at stakes. It’s far more. Prestige. History. Values. United. Jose for what it’s worth has my full support.


{Ed033's Note - Maybe you need Trump to make Manchester United great again :)

1.) 30 Sep 2018 19:03:06
Prestige, history, values. And you want to keep Jose, do you not see the irony?

2.) 30 Sep 2018 19:15:13
What decent team in world football has won anything with 3 slow cumbersome donkeys in midfield.

3.) 30 Sep 2018 19:44:44
Dynasties are built and then fall, only to be built again.

I see no problem, with languishing on the periphery in order to rebuild.

I think as fans of our great club, we have become entitled, as a Liverpool fan posted earlier, we are now Liverpool fans, living in the past and complaining we aren't achieving the same high levels.

Yes I want my club to win everything every season, but I also see the need for evolution and as a club we have to adapt to the new environment.

We just haven't.

And we get frustrated that we aren't winning everything, or indeed, winning full stop.

I don't think Jose is the right man for the job, I never truly believed he would stay for more than 3 years anyway.

We need to be patient, invest in youth, get a DoF like other clubs have done, you can see how City have evolved and adapted, as Liverpool are also now doing.

We seem to want the shiniest brightest new megastar and then we want 5 more, regardless if they can play well together, PSG are a good example of this.

Teams should be built, not bought.

{Ed025's Note - great ethos jonny but in these days of the microwave supporters instant success is paramount, slowly slowly does not catch you a monkey any more mate and rome had to be built in under a day, and unfortunately patience is not a virtue any more.. :)

4.) 30 Sep 2018 19:48:06
I am with Timbobon this. While I’m not the biggest Jose cheerleader in the world, you cannot allow player power cancer to set foot within the club. Personally I don’t believe Jose is even in the majority of the fault with these performances of late as he isn’t kicking a ball on the pitch.

1. The midfield is too slow in transition, Matic should be dropped and go with Fred and Andreas.

2. The board failed Jose in the summer, I’m not against him proving a point.

3. I’m sorry, but Pogba is over-hyped. Did he have a good WC? Yes, but that team around him allowed him to focus on one thing and that’s it. The world beaters should be able to have a rounded out game about them, especially those in the midfield.

4. We cannot let the inmates run the asylum, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that if we sack Jose, it will all happen again in a couple of years.

{Ed025's Note - maybe you and tim could start a fan club USS, your members could all meet in a phone box.. :)

5.) 30 Sep 2018 19:48:57
Timbo, I’ve been fully behind Jose for a lot of the points you express even tho we are the complete opposite of how I want my club to be in terms of the words Tony lays out above and I’ve been behind jose because I hate the sacking culture BUT it’s got to a point now that I do not see where we are going, I don’t see us challenging and in actual fact we seem to be regressing. I don’t know the ins and outs of what’s going on in the hierarchy as I’m sure there’s more to it and some part of me feels a bit sorry for him but I think I’ve seen enough to know it’s not working with Jose Unfortunately.

6.) 30 Sep 2018 19:55:38
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, it's the players that have the power, now. That's not changing any time soon, so we need a manager who's able to work with that new reality.

7.) 30 Sep 2018 19:56:37
Timbo I'm sorry but I disagree completely with what you're saying. So pogba is the biggest problem? Is he the reason that not one player played well Saturday then? You are just looking for a scapegoat by there. If it was a couple of players underperforming then fair enough but the players are playing like they've never met before. I wouldn't be happy playing in that team with that style of play and that's probably why we had a poor summer in terms of transfers. It's Mourinho's job to get the players motivated and playing for each other but he just isn't doing it. I fully expect Valencia to beat us on Tuesday! We as fans are more surprised when we win now as when we lose its no big shock! In Mourinho's interview after the game he seemed like a man who had no clue what to do next.

8.) 30 Sep 2018 20:09:09

I know. and it's such a shame.

I suppose that means I am showing my age. I am now, officially, a grumpy old man.

But City did take a while to get where they are today, it wasn't instant success, and Liverpool have taken a generation too.

The Klopp project has taken a few years, but they turned it around as did City.

Feeling nostalgic and remembering the good old days, when everything wasn't just about money. and football was fun.

{Ed025's Note - i remember those days as well jonny, sadly mate this is the world of today and its certainly not for the better..

9.) 30 Sep 2018 20:53:23
I have not previously called for Jose to be sacked, however I feel the only way forward is for him to leave.

It looks like he has lost the dressing room, partially if not totally.

There is usually no way back once that happens but maybe I am wrong.

The Jose and Pogba soap opera is embarrassing and making the club a laughing stock. Not quite at the level of his fallout at Chelsea but heading in that direction.

We don’t have a team as strong as City or Liverpool but with the players we have we should be competing against everyone else and capable of beating most.

We are massively underperforming with what players we have. I an 100% convinced that another coach could improve our results and style of play with the players that we currently have.

For those reasons Jose must now go and I have no issue if Pogba leaves aswell.

10.) 30 Sep 2018 20:21:22
Yes AJH. I can. But to my credit I also see the second big picture. Sack Jose to appease Pogba and the next manager should be called, "Pogba Assistant".

11.) 30 Sep 2018 21:10:21

Get rid of both.

Seems a good compromise, no?



19 Jul 2018 12:14:30
What exactly do people want? Shiny new signings, or greater faith shown in youth and those players not quite youth any more returning from loan spells?

It is quite bizarre, and I have complete sympathy for Jose in this respect. Equally I think he's right to raise the alarm over a seriously disrupted preseason. Preparations would have been much easier for him had France, Belgium and England not progressed so well. Were it Germany, Argentina, Spain and Brazil things would be somewhat different. He could not have predicted such as United-heavy semi-final line-up.

At this stage I'm not convinced that anything other than a new CB is absolutely necessary. Personally I would be happier to see the likes of Smalling, Jones and Darmian gone to make the pathway for TFM and Tuan that much clearer. If small pieces of muck remain in the pond you still wouldn't swim in it, and I think that's the case with the squad - sorry for such brutal metaphor but to my mind its true.

I also expect, not hope, to see better seasons from Shaw, Pogba, Sanchez and Lindelof. That in itself would be a major step forward in the 'evolution of the players' that Jose referred to. Adding Fred and Dalot in to the mix makes for an interesting season.

Lest we also forget a major 'evolution' in the coaching staff. That in itself could have more impact that any player signing if that new signing simply fits in to last year's system.

Here's to an evolution in coaching and playing staff and a great season.


1.) 19 Jul 2018 12:57:36
That World Cup really snuck up on him 🤔.

2.) 19 Jul 2018 17:31:41
Noucamp99, I'm guessing the semi-final line-up did a bit yes. I didn't suggest that either he or I did not know it was on the horizon!

3.) 19 Jul 2018 18:55:38
Timbo, are you seriously expecting us to challenge with the addition of one more player? We need a winger, i hope mourinho promotes one of the youngsters, but i doubt it. We need another striker, but i doubt we'll get one. We need another top midfielder, but i doubt we'll get one. We need a left back and we might get one. And we desperately need another cb.
I would love to see the likes of Chong, Gomes, Tunazebe, TFM being given a chance at the big time, but do you see that happening?
Finally, we're Manchester United, if a player like Mbappe comes along, we should be top of the list to sign him, but that won't happen.

4.) 19 Jul 2018 20:09:01
I know, mate. I was being flippant.



26 May 2018 23:05:37
Shame to see you believe you’re labelled as toxic Shappy. Whilst I’m more pro Jose than yourself your arguments against are well structured, thought out and very often hard to counter.

Toxic fans I would suggest have none of the above, waver their beliefs to fit in with some delinquent crowd and place as much significance on the colour of the away shirt as they do team performance.

That is most definitely not you from what I’ve read. Nor is it any of the other regular insightful posters - Beast, Jred, Park and so on.

I’m sure every club has its toxics, however United - as they embrace social media more and more - will attract more through plain old statistical reasoning. United have a wealth of tradition, not just as a club but as a loyal supporter base. If supporters such as yourselves are perceived as toxic then we may as well give up.

There’s more to United than simply winning, and it’s the ridiculous and unjustified craving for success beyond the fact that no team dominates in any sport forever that creates the juvenile, transfer seeking toxic mindset that separates true fans from those looking to boost their own fragile self-esteem and online identity.

That’s not you Shappy!


1.) 26 May 2018 23:30:41
Shappy, have you done a MAZE, and registered under a second name? :)

{Ed007's Note - Has, Shappy's Tinder/Grinder been hacked?}

2.) 27 May 2018 00:23:38
Come on Stevie, Gumbo's post is only 5 paragraphs long, clearly not one of mine. Lol.

Cheers, Timbo. I've fortunately been around long enough not to take it to heart. I generally tend to be one of the more positive posters, not quite GDS level positive but pretty close. However, I am finding it increasingly hard to find things to be positive about atm with regards to our club. For me Manchester United means so much more than winning titles. We should be winning titles our way. What I would give for a manager who wants to bring positive offensive football, trust in youth, fight and spirit to our side.

We are all enjoying poking fun at Liverpool tonight, but look at that team for a second. Look at the quality of the players. You have one or two great players, Salah, Mane and Firmino. But beyond those three they have two jokes for goalkeepers, a very underwhelming midfield and a defence that lacks any real quality.

Yet look at the football they play, look how far it has taken them in the UCL? Klopp has improved everyone of their players regardless of their attitude. He hasn't given pitiful excuses, he has just got on with the job. He has embraced the club.

Many of our fans state that once Mourinho has had another 250m to spend that our side will start to improve. That suddenly we'll play great football, even though none of us can point to a single player in our squad who we can categorically say Jose has improved in two years at our club. Why is Jose unable to improve the players we have? Including 8 of which he himself bought.

Will more money help? Maybe? But not on what I've seen so far. And it might cost us several of our best young players to continue down this road.

3.) 27 May 2018 01:34:58
Really good read Timbo. Shaps can’t argue much with that. Over the years I have always found myself agreeing with your posts but it seems for the first time we disagree on something - the dreaded Jose topic! But I agree on the Liverpool point that Klopp has them playing out their skin. He has improved nearly every single one of their players. That’s the sign of a great coach. His man management skills are clear to see. However, he struggles to do the most important thing - win. 6 finals and 6 losses. Personally I wanted Klopp when Fergie left but it wasn’t to be.

I think buying new players is not always the problem. Especially when Jose isn’t getting the best out of the current crop of talented players. However, investment in the full backs should provide us with much needed attacking intent and threat from the wide areas. Dragging the opposition full backs wide will allow more movement inside for the likes of Sanchez, pogba and martial etc. A big problem is our movement off the ball so if that improves then I expect to see an upturn in playing style. Think we have plenty to look forward too.

4.) 27 May 2018 07:03:31
Park, investment in new full backs will only improve our attacking intent if Jose wants his full backs to attack. This session our first choice full backs were Valencia and Young, two players who have been attacking wingers for the majority of their careers. I would have thought they would have been more than capable of providing attacking intent if that was their directive.

Shaw has been dropped not because he lacks attacking intent, he is probably our best offensive full back, however, he has been dropped because he occasionally has lapses in defence.

I agree we need two new full back, strength and depth is poor at full back and two of them are 33 and 34, which isn't ideal in what is probably the most physically demanding position on the pitch.

However, I disagree that Jose will change his spots and do something different for the first time in 20 years.

If you want Jose to continue then fine, but do so knowing that it will mean more of the same and not with the hope that suddenly Jose will have an epithany and change. He won't. We may get better at grinding out results, but the style will stay the same.

5.) 27 May 2018 09:53:23
I agree he isn’t going to suddenly play free flowing football. He will still set us up defensively sound and then to counter at pace. This was very effective and entertaining while he was at Chelsea and real. At both those teams he had a very robust and dynamic midfield so hopefully the addition of Fred and another will facilitate this. I’m under no illusion we will be playing pep or Klopp football next season. But I do think quality signings in key positions will see and improvement in style and substance.



16 May 2018 13:51:43
So we’ve moved on from bashing Jose, the manager who judges player selection on many things we do not see or know, with Martial and Rashford to Shaw.

Why not judge him by the players he will not drop ( De Gea, Matic, Lukaku and Young) for example and ask yourself why Shaw, Rashford and Martial are not in that list. Take away the excuses (he’s young, got potential) and see what is left. Simply not good enough. None of those would have been in the 1999 or 2008 starting line-ups. That’s the benchmark isn’t it?

Do we truly believe that if Martial and Rashford started every game we’d finished as high in the league? I for one don’t. Poor decision making and mental toughness. Argue about impact of Sanchez but he was bought for next year and has to start irrespective of form. Would SAF buying another centre midfielder have had the same impact on Keane, Scholes or Butt? No, they would have raised their game not dissolve like a snowflake in summer. Even Lukaku has to overcome Zlatan and did.

Let’s start stripping away the personal favouritism and emotion and judge team selections by the facts. Fact is Shaw has never been better than OK yet has been criticised by every manager he’s been managed by. However only Jose is wrong.

We’re treating Jose the same as SAF was during his first few years. Both are proven managers, ruthless and a winner. For christ’s sake give the guy a chance. Too many expect the proverbial silk purse from the pig’s ear. Jose is no Moyes or LVG and has earned the right to be given more time.

Jose, for all of his flaws, believes in the team over the individual. He believes in a system, and we have to acknowledge that that system has worked at every previous club - with periods of scintillating football at many of them. You do not lose that knowledge, coaching skill or ability.

Consider the fact that ‘coaching’ is a two-way relationship in any sport, with the ultimate responsibility for individual performance in the hands of the athlete. All Jose can do is judge that performance on a player-by-player basis, and if we assume that Jose isn’t purposely sabotaging performance, then assume that those that are dropped cannot be living up to his expectations.

Finally all this nonsense about Jose publicly outing the players, I say good, more of it. Any player that questions his ability or toughness to survive at Old Trafford under Jose will run a mile. We need players that want the biggest arena in front of the best supporters playing confident football. Time to trust Jose, trust his selections and his rants and trust his tactics are based on his level of trust in the players we have currently.

Roll on next year.


1.) 16 May 2018 14:29:19
Timbo - the benchmark for player selection should be the squad and who else plays in your position within the squad. If you are performing better than other players in the squad then you should play - it seems that in recent years players who are big 'brands' play irrespective of form - gone are the days players are picked on form it seems.

I agree the overall quality of the squad is nowhere near what it was in years gone by, but it's the managers job to remedy that and he has a lot of money to do it.

I have no problem with a manager providing honest feedback after a game if he thinks it will help the players, I wouldn't do it if I were the manager though, but as a fan it's good to hear the feedback - that is if it were not slanted against easy targets or clearly showing one rule for some players and a different one for others. As our manager Jose will be backed irrespective by some people and slated by others - but he is not perfect and he is making a lot of obvious mistakes.

Jose has his way, I don't like it, but it is effective - it isn't effective enough anymore though as City have shown and Sevilla showed. Jose is reliable, but I don't want to be reliably behind the best and reliably boring to watch, with flamboyant risk/ taking players being sacrificed for steady eddies.

Most of us know what to expect next season. A few hundred million extra may make us get more points, but for that type of investment I'd expect much better football and a much tighter race for the title and CL.

2.) 16 May 2018 14:40:57
I think pogba has been poor to honest defensively he is a liability.

3.) 16 May 2018 14:45:07
Good post Timbo although I'm not convinced public criticism is the best approach. I understand your argument but I'm not sure that tactic could ever work with already fragile characters.

If some players don't have the required mentality or character to play for Utd or they can't accept or are unwilling to follow the managers instructions then sell them and buy players that can.

I understand football is a tough, ruthless and unforgiving sport, where managers need to make decisions and use every tool in the book in order to try and motivate players from all different backgrounds and nationalities but there is no reason why this can't be done with respect and humility.

I think we've held on to certain players for too long, letting them go stale and become demotivated when it would be best for all concerned to just go their separate ways and re build their career.

4.) 16 May 2018 14:56:10
Timbo I’m a Liverpool fan so take this anyway you want. You’ve listed a lot of players who you say aren’t good enough for your 99/ 08 squads. I’ll go one further and say none of your players are good enough for the teams you mentioned with the exception of DDG and even that’s debatable. Would you really pick Matic over Keane or Young over Irwin/ Evra or Lukaku over Rooney. Players like Martial and Rashford aren’t improving because of Jose’s negative tactics. They seem to spend more time closer to their own goal than the opponents.

5.) 16 May 2018 15:03:42
Beast, taking risks and being stupid are not the same. if you run at players when its plain to see that you won't succeed in getting through (that Mr Rashford and Mr Martial do) that's stupid not risky. What Pogba does is risky when he plays those long balls or through balls over the top for Lukaku.

6.) 16 May 2018 16:03:19
UA how different is it when the 500k man does the exact same thing as 2 kids, atleast the 2 have an excuse what is Sanchez's excuse? Never heard him being called out in media.

7.) 16 May 2018 16:57:22
Theres a difference because the 2 you are saying have been doing it for 3 years straight while the 500m man has been doing it for 3 months. there's the difference.

8.) 16 May 2018 17:00:58
Pogba needs to fix up or he just needs to be shifted he is costing the club a lot of money which could be used elsewhere.

9.) 16 May 2018 18:52:04
When called on Shaw has played well this year, not sure why he then gets immediately dropped.

10.) 16 May 2018 19:37:16
He gets dropped because young has played well and probably has the shirt at the moment .
Truth is people go on about our problem lb position but both young and Shaw have done well.



13 May 2018 18:05:10
Thank god that’s over. Terrible season, terrible performances and terrible atmosphere surrounding the club. Second place all things considered quite amazing, especially considering how good media tells us clubs beneath us are. If Jose can achieve that and a cup success during such a season then maybe he is still the special one, as that’s the worst runner-up team I’ve ever seen in the prem.

Some shrewd investments, good pre season and willingness to let the horses run free on the back of that may yet make this season worthwhile. I really hope everybody now gets behind the manager and stops using certain players to bash him over the head with. The guy is making progress.


1.) 13 May 2018 19:49:31
I think that is unfair to Jose and the team. Despite not having a settled defence he has managed to make sure we didn't concede many goals. Shoring up the defence meant we had a lack of balance and options further upfield which was exacerbated by us having no natural wingers. He wanted to buy Perisic but was denied this for whatever reason. In other seasons we may well have won the league with our points total. It's also not Jose's fault that quite a few of the players he inherited did not perform as they should have the Sevilla game comes to mind as a prime example. He is attempting to instill a winking mentality back into the team and is pragmatic. He knows teams only win things with a strong defensive base from which attacks later can come. Even Pep recognised this by buying a whole back five unit. Pep bought two fullbacks two centre halves and. Goalkeeper If Jose gets the men he wants in this transfer window then next season we will be much more able to attack.

2.) 13 May 2018 19:59:18
Timbo, Timbo, Timbo, is like to agre with your post but I can’t. Here’s my issue. United is a club built on a long tradition of attacking football. But more than that it has always been a ‘decent’ club, much in the way Arsenal are and Chelsea aren’t. SAF understood this, bought into it and built on it. United would scout players but also scout their personality and attitude as well as their playing ability.

From Busby, through Docherty, Atkinson and then SAF, the football was attacking, the you score 4 we’ll score 5 kind of approach. Sexton was an aberration best forgotten.

And so to Jose. Everyone comments on the dullness of the football but the bigger issue for me is how he is slowly destroying the soul of our club. His ego knows no bounds, he is a narcissistic bully who seeks to blame others for his own feelings. He is being left behind by younger better Managers and he is lashing out. ‘But we finished second’ I hear you say. Indeed we did, but I believe that if we had Pep, or Klopp, or Poch managing us then we would have won the League, or certainly run City a lot closer.

Jose is yesterday’s man clinging to the last vestiges of his talent by his fingernails. I am not convinced he will be here next year but if he is, he won’t see out the season. He was the wrong man for us and he remains the wrong man for us. Our history, tradition, and culture are more important than this yob.

3.) 13 May 2018 20:01:12
Jose simply has to win the league next season imo, money again will be spent this summer and with the style of play in question and unlikely to change too much only a league or Cl success will be enough.

4.) 13 May 2018 20:31:38
Jose = Born winner 😆😆.

5.) 13 May 2018 20:31:57
Tony whilst I agree we won’t win the league under Jose I think you are being abit dramatic about Jose’s ego destroying the soul of the club. Forgive me if it is tongue in cheek. This club has gone through so much such as the Munich disaster and still stands strong and true today. It has gone through the turbulent times under Moyes and lvg. Yes things ain’t Rosie at the moment but they are not as bad as everyone is making out. The football is woeful but with reinforcements we have reasons to be optimistic next season. I think we just need to win the cup and enjoy the summer off. Quite frankly it is pointless discussing whether you want Jose in or out because he is going to be here for at least the next year. The football will not be how we wish it to be. But I expect us to improve and with a stronger defence and midfield I think performances will be better. Tbh 2 years ago I would never have seen us finish in second place with 4th being a reason to celebrate. Yes that is not what we as united fans are accustomed to but times have changed. We aren’t top dogs in England at the moment and we have 5 other rivals who will spend a shed load and improve tenfold. I’m confident that we will rise to the occasion and improve next year. There is a lot to look forward to.

6.) 13 May 2018 20:38:27
@hendonred, I’m giving Jose as much time and credit as I can muster, but I think you’re going too far. He’s had the tools at hand to do a far better job performance wise.

@AJH, lol. That leads to the problem, Jose is so divisive, and worse still it doesn’t take much to become fickle and jump camps. I’m not suggesting you’re fickle by the way, but I have friends who on any given day could be pro or con. Jose simply gets my vote for next season because I truly believe that right now ‘we’ have invested two years in Jose and he needs the third season to consolidate his plan - whatever it is - in the hope it becomes fruitful. That said I don’t like Jose’s ideas so far, however his CV deserves a chance. As such I’m not pro Jose I’m pro not changing manager at the moment.

That said I don’t see Jose getting sacked as long as we stay in Europe. That does suck, as we’re starting to smell like Arsenal in that respect. My gut still tells me Jose could be with us a while, especially if he can get one or two more players on the pitch to run through walls for him. We have Lukaku, who I believe would, but that’s it. If he can get Terry, Lampard, and Makalele type players as his generals then he’ll stay much longer. Right now he doesn’t have a chief-whip on the pitch.

. but hey I could be talking b******s! 😂.

7.) 13 May 2018 21:11:03

How would you appraise SAF’s first few years, particularly in line with your assertion that attacking football was a priority?

You feel with Klopp or Poch in charge that we would have won the league or come much closer, what do you base this on? Neither finished above us. There is more to it than fancy football.

If we are a decent club “the way that Arsenal and Chelsea aren’t”, why did we sack a manager after 10 months and another after they won the FA cup when Arsenal stood by their manager for years even though unsuccessful?

I hear such assertions yet don’t hear an alternative, a few fancy names, the latest flavour of the month. No thought process on how the club move forward, how people will feel when they bring in this mythical being who plays heavenly football and wins trophies whilst resolves the issues brought on through years of not making the correct decisions. Yet they won’t, it will be 12 months if not less until the next set of moaning.

Our history tradition etc, appointed a Moyes, a Sexton, a McGuiness. I have watched our history and tradition bring us two European cups in my memory whilst Liverpool have brought them 5, Bayern, Real even more. We haven’t embraced a modern mentality that brought us in line with the European giants like Real, we spout nonsense about tradition, when a bit more tactical nous at times would have brought us more European success.

I think Jose will give us a base for the next manager, put that manager in a position that SAF should have left but didn’t. Yesterday’s man? Too many think they know tomorrow’s man whilst not understanding the size of the challenge we have.

In 12 months Jose will be under pressure to show real progress, that I understand but the history of United is not that of Chelsea as you said, we if we are that decent club they will talk to Jose, set him objectives and talk to him about planning but also give him another year to make a difference.

I can see pragmatic that Jose offers, yes it can be frustrating but what might we have won if we had that option as well as gung ho?

8.) 13 May 2018 21:14:34
Park mate, I’m deadly serious. Our history and tradition is unrivalled and his behaviour does not fit. Sir Bobby was right but unfortunately we have Woodward making the decisions.

We are the richest football club ithe eoeld (revenue generating) but in recent years it has been run like a pub team. When SAF retired we needed a Manager proven at the top, with European experience, who had managed big egos. Who did we get? Moyes, who ticked none of thise boxes. That was a disaster so we quickly moved on and apponted LVG, he ticked all the boxes but was a long way past his best. And so we looked again and Woody signed up Jose. This year, Jose mentions PSG and suddenly Woody is offering him a new contract.

Woody is a marketing man who generates cash for the company but how on earth did he become chairman as he is not a football man and seems to get a hard on at the chance of signing a big name. I guarantee you that if Bale is available Woody will sign him.

The owners are happy as we are back in the Champions League so the cash keeps rolling in. But our club is in danger. Think about Chelsea and what an awful bunch they are. When did that start? That’s right, after Jose joined. I heard he has been asked to behave a little better and if that’s true then he won’t be happy with that. His assistant of 17 years has suddenly upped and left, something is not right.

I will say it again. Pep, Klopp, and Poch would have got more out of this squad than Jose has.

9.) 13 May 2018 21:45:43
Red Man, I respect your unflinching support for the Grumpy One but a man of your years must feel the damage that is being done. I hated the football LVG plays b T I always felt he respected the club, I think Jose thinks only of himself.

I said we are a decent club like Arsenal are, and Chelsea aren’t and I agree that we have not been behaving that way recently, which leads us back to Woodward. I share your desire for stability but it doesn’t change my view that Jose should never have been allowed near our club.

Every appointment is a risk but it seems we keep making ones that don’t stand up to scrutiny. Someone asked last week if we would be happy winning the league playing like this. My answer is no. It’s not just about stats, I look at City and Liverpool and I am envious of the way they play. I want my heart to beat faster, my pulse to race. I live in hope.

10.) 13 May 2018 21:54:25
That is a fantastic post Redman hats off to you. Fair enough Tony I do see where you are coming from and you do make some really good points. I can understand your frustration with Jose and his ethos. His ethos in many ways is the polar opposite of uniteds. Pep would have fit better. But I feel you are doing a disservice to Jose. The guy is a winner. He has won countless number of trophies playing his way. Problem is he needs the right players to play his system otherwise it is mind numbingly painful at times to watch. But you give him the players and he wins. History proves this. My point is it is more damaging to sack him and go through another rebuilding process. We need someone ruthless who will get rid of the players who are simply not mentally good enough or not good enough talent wise. Name me a better person out there that can do that? I cannot think of anyone. In my opinion it is important for Jose to finish his 3 years here and then we should look to appoint a manager that will deliver that exciting football. Stability is something I believe we have lacked aince sir alex. And it is something we need.

I know many will disagree with me on this point but I just don’t see the positives in sacking him. What if the new manager comes in plays great football but we are only competing for top 4? I guarantee the same fans calling for jose’s Head will call for this manager’s heads. We as fans are all fickle. Some days I wake up and I am Jose out and the next I am more pragmatic about the current situation. Our club is steeped with glorious tradition and history and that should never be forgotten. But let’s not pretend that football is the same romantic, beautiful game in the 60s, 70s, 80s. The game lost its soul years ago to the money. So with that change we have to change as a club as well. That does not mean we sell out our values. But we cannot keep thinking we are above all of this because we are not. It’s time we played the game like everyone else. Yes we Have traditions of attacking football. But I believe we also have traditions of loyalty to our manager. On paper Jose has delivered to the board in getting us European football again. So he deserves the opportunity to build again for another season. It’s not pretty and you may dislike him but for me that is fairness. He is an arrogant ego maniac but so was Fergie in rival fans’ eyes. We just adored him because he was or manager. Everyone else despised him. Redman makes a great point that the next manager will benefit from the ground work Jose will have laid. I agree with that. But I do understand where you are coming from and I really enjoy reading your posts. I am just seeing things from a different angle here.

11.) 13 May 2018 22:29:38

I wanted Pep but once our board had dithered we had to get Mourinho, I don’t have unflinching support for any manager, every single one needs to have the right cv then earn their position.

Do I feel this “damage”is being done? No, damage was done with the shocking transition from SAF and appointing who we did. How can you feel LvG respected the club with the nonsense he has come out with since his sacking?

You said you think Jose thinks only of himself, however, when SAF was fighting over Rock of Gibraltar that ultimately brought the Glazers to United was SAF thinking of United or himself? It’s all about perspective

You said “Someone asked last week if we would be happy winning the league playing like this. My answer is no”. So what was your feeling when SAF won the final league title? The football was terrible but we won, Were you complaining then?

12.) 13 May 2018 22:31:42
It's all about opinions. I think that's a great post redman.
Ahh in his first few years there were lots of people saying the same about Fergus that you are saying about jose.

Jose inherited a shambles of a squad. A SQUAD devoid of top class players never mind world class. With the exception of ddg
He inherited a squad with a broken mentality. With no leader no drive no standards.

Despite that he won 2 trophies and qualified for the cl in season 1.
2nd and our best points total for 5 years passing out Liverpool Chelsea arsenal and spurs this season and a cup final to come.
This squad is still poor.
Full of average Joe's who have contributed little or nothing in the way of a title challenge for 5 years.

You bang on about history and tradition. Our history tells you we back our managers when they are moving in the right direction. Jose has results moving in the right direction.
The style will improve somewhat i'm sure. I'm also sure he can topple pep and win our title back. He has done it before and he will do it again.
City have raised the bar. We have to abrupt the challenge embrace it and overcome it. Jose imo is the best qualified to meet that challenge.

13.) 13 May 2018 22:43:53
Interesting selection of views guys. I think the one common point agreed by most of us is that if Jose gets the players he wants then the team will perform better. The big question is whether they will perform with the panache we expect or desire. I would say that if you look at his first Chelsea title winning teams and Madrids too they played fast attacking football and scored lots of goals. He was given the tools to win in style. Imagine how much better our attacking play would be if we had a Lampard or Ronaldo or Hazard. Imagine if Jose had taken over a Utd squad with a Vidic, a Scholes, a Keane and a Van Nistleroy in. He would have won titles all right

The truth is that Sir Alex was an amazing motivator but he left his successors with an ageing squad and his succession was not handled properly. David Gill leaving was as big a blow as Sir Alex`s departure. City had been planning and building for several years in advance of Peps arrival. The owners brought in a management structure from Barca. I have no proof as such but I am convinced that Pep was consulted about the players he wanted well before he was named as City's manager. Pep is a great manager no doubt but how many Champions League titles did he win in the past 15 years? He had possibly the greatest midfield ever assembled at Barcelona plus unlimited funds there. He also had only Real Madrid and latterly Atletico as domestic opposition capable if challenging his team. Likewise in Germany he had access to a decent transfer kitty and even more limited domestic challengers. Yet he has not dominated other managers in the Champions League. He only manages elite clubs. Yes he has earned the right now to do so but I woukd argue that in a way it is harder to do what the managers of Burnley and Palace and Huddersfield did this season with tiny budgets and inferior players.

One other thing and that is whenever Jose leaves if he has been given backing by the board in the transfer market we will have a much stronger squad than we do now.

Lastly as supporters we should get behind the manager and team wholeheartedly. We should always strive to be the 12th man that gives our team that vital advantage. Our support will help the team to feel confident. It's basic psychology. People feel getter as a rule when praised and supported rather than when they are being criticised.

14.) 14 May 2018 01:55:53
Remember, 'having a plan' was the big thing to judge our managers on not so long ago. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any plan whatsoever as regards the way we play. Disjointed, muddled and insipid. At any rate, I don't hear, 'the plan' mentioned much on here these days.

15.) 14 May 2018 06:59:27

There has been a huge improvement in league position and if our player targets are to be believed we may actually be looking at what is needed. There should be a plan on the pitch and in the boardroom or even an all encompassing one. Progress in league position indicates there is a plan, solidify the team and then improve the positions we need. Next season, the buys and the challenge will be the indicator, as long as the manager gets the players he wants, not third choices.

16.) 14 May 2018 07:01:16
99 doesn't suit the argument.

17.) 14 May 2018 07:04:25
People say pep, poch and Klopp would get better out of this squad seem to be just looking at our attacking players. They forget that our back four options are pathetic except one! No other manager stated above could shore up our defence with the options we have and we would be cringing at the sight of our defence being carved open with every attack, much like city's and pool's defense this year was!

Jose needs to get the balance right, I pretty much believe if we have a good defence, we will release the brakes and although we might never see the gameplay like pool's or city's, but it wouldn't be this bad.

18.) 14 May 2018 10:20:21
He's had four windows to improve our defence.

19.) 14 May 2018 11:48:33
If you're referring to Bailly as the one, he hasn't got a look in lately.




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16 Aug 2018 14:46:30
Oh dear. Football Manager clearly ignores the closure of transfer windows. Sell and buy whenever you want.




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09 Aug 2018 20:10:31
It’s utterly ridiculous. It’s an embarrassment. I’m not sure what some people prioritise! Football or transfers. It’s all becoming so artificial, 24hours and Sky will show the “who spent the most” league table so we can all whinge relentlessly about Woodward, the Glazers or Jose depending on your toxic point of view.




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31 Jul 2018 20:56:14
Plus Rojo to Everton?




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25 Jul 2018 11:26:42
Here we go again. Fans fault. Let’s just remove them from football completely. Ruining it.




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13 Jun 2018 16:39:54
Genuinely believe he would be an atrocious purchase for United. Last thing we need is another egotistical social media loving soundbite.

Rant over.





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30 Sep 2018 20:21:22
Yes AJH. I can. But to my credit I also see the second big picture. Sack Jose to appease Pogba and the next manager should be called, "Pogba Assistant".




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21 Aug 2018 13:47:25
Great post DLIB. Completely agree. I too have supported Jose, and despite the pain from Sunday I will continue to do so with even more fervour. Jose is arguably the best 'club-manager' we could have right now. He is not a "yes man" even though he is visibly and audibly toning down his post match interviews. Right now the only options are to find the next genius man-manager such as Sir Alex (who was nothing short of an alchemist) or change the ownership of the club in to the hands of people that appreciate and align with the traditions of the club. It really is that simple even if the process of doing so is nothing short of impossible right now or in the near future.

As such the only battle that matters right now is in the boardroom, and anybody on this site who does not support Jose 100% is playing in to the Glazer's hands. The last thing we need is a weak manager who is happy to site behind 'that' desk to get his new Facebook profile pic.

The best thing that could happen is Jose fights 'our' corner until his position is beyond untenable. It probably already is in some people's eyes, and I fail to believe that the board are not actively discussing successors in smoked filled rooms as we speculate. It would be absurd if they were not. Maybe the difficulty of finding a replacement amid the current chaos is what keeps Jose in an untenable position for longer than many may expect.

As an outside bet, and an ironic replacement if it happens, I would take Antonio Conte. He did a fabulous job at Chelsea whilst playing entertaining football.




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19 Jul 2018 17:31:41
Noucamp99, I'm guessing the semi-final line-up did a bit yes. I didn't suggest that either he or I did not know it was on the horizon!




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28 Jun 2018 09:56:47
Yes, he started 5 games. Seville being one.




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24 Jun 2018 11:10:34
“Too” sorry. Commentator said he has 650 pairs.