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21 Apr 2018 08:44:00
Contribute to a debate from last night guys. If you could sign a 22 year old De Gea or Schmeichel today, which would you choose and primarily why?

My choice was Schmikes because of his willingness to verbally bash a teammates when needed. I also believe that he was marginally a better keeper with outstanding distribution.

Timbo

1.) 21 Apr 2018 09:11:06
Pete commanded his box better and was a better all-around keeper.


2.) 21 Apr 2018 09:39:44
Schmeichel changed the art of goalkeeping, which is a pretty big endorsement. And while his agility was great for a fella his size, DDG's reactions are the best I've ever seen in a goalie. If I had to pick one, it would be big Pete, for the reason jred mentioned. Better all round keeper.


3.) 21 Apr 2018 10:30:15
Big pete. Best I've ever seen as noucamp says he changed the art of goalkeeping. A fearsome character and competitor. He frightened opponents and teammates alike. Left us too early imo.
Ddg is for me the best in the world at the moment. But imo pete is still the best we've ever had.


4.) 21 Apr 2018 11:05:46
Big Pete intimidated the opponents strikers was great at 1v1s made himself so big and just the size of him made him imposing and dominated the box. DDG better shot stopper and currently best in the world.


5.) 21 Apr 2018 11:53:13
Big Pete was just a man mountain of a man. He commanded his box so well and that is such an integral part to the British game as a goal keeper. David is a better shot stopped perhaps the best I have ever seen. But he can still be a bit shakey at times under the high ball. A mixture of two would have been super human. We have been blessed to have had both of them at our club. Hope we can keep hold of David for many more years to come.


6.) 21 Apr 2018 12:13:29
I would go Van Dee Saar personally best of both.


7.) 21 Apr 2018 12:14:03
Vds was very close to both. Again if he had replaced big pete it would have been awesome. A calming presence and pretty much error free in his whole tome with us. Betty much am unsung hero when compared with pete and ddg. 3 class acts.


8.) 21 Apr 2018 12:14:29
Schmeichel.


9.) 21 Apr 2018 12:32:19
Taibi all day long, some keeper, you wouldn't put the ball under his legs.


10.) 21 Apr 2018 12:42:12
They are different type of keepers. It all depends on what the team needs. De Gea can still improve so it is hard to say who is inferior.


11.) 21 Apr 2018 14:20:02
I grew up watching us around the time of Barthez and Roy Carroll. van der Saar was outstanding, and I’ve watched many videos and games of big pete. For me Both Schmeichel and VDS had great back 4s in front of them, something which De Gea really isn’t had. its hard to pick just one as all three are truly world class.
Caolán.


12.) 21 Apr 2018 14:27:24
Anyone would do, Big Pete or Dave the save. But Pete is all from videos and old footage and Dave from games so I go for DDG. What would be your choice ed1 always love your takes on these sorts of things?

{Ed001's Note - has to be Schmeichel, he dominated the penalty area in a way de Gea never does. He ran the defence as well, whereas modern keepers just keep goal.}


13.) 21 Apr 2018 16:27:58
Thanks ed1.
I don't think there is anyone of the Schmeichel anymore. Must say we have had some of the best ever GK in the PL era (some ones too) . Schmeichel is probably the best in PL era (most people express that)


14.) 21 Apr 2018 16:57:31
Tough one to call. De Gea really did weather a storm when he first arrived and he has kept us in so many games. Has an amazing temperament and mental strength.
But Schmeichel pips it for me. A winner and warrior, he dominated opponents with his presence and bloody minded mentality. A truly great signing by Ferguson.
Not many shout outs for Paddy Roche who cost us the title in '75.
I think a lot of today's top keepers like to play the "sweeper keeper" if the defence is playing a high line, they have to. Ederson is a good example, he's really surprised me, his distribution is excellent. De Gea used to really be able to ping those passes out but this season, his distribution has been the poorest part of his game and he's actually a very good passer of the ball.


15.) 21 Apr 2018 20:12:14
Schmeichel all day long. Commanded the area and organized defence. Ddg doesn't do either.


16.) 22 Apr 2018 10:36:56
Schmeichel not just for commanding the defence but because one on one the big Dane was the best I have ever seen, always felt no one could beat him when they ran in on goal.


 

 

15 Apr 2018 17:18:35
Rumour has it United are playing this afternoon?

Timbo

1.) 15 Apr 2018 17:52:11
its like we don't know how to attack anymore.


 

 

07 Apr 2018 18:23:46
Half-time. Diabolical. The next 45 will tell if Jose has lost the dressing room. I’m really fighting the urge to want Jose out but still feel we need to give him 12-months. Pogba however, needs to pack his bags.

Timbo

1.) 07 Apr 2018 18:31:19
Only player to at least try something in those 45 minutes, Sanchez and Lingard were invisible.


2.) 07 Apr 2018 18:37:47
Totally agree, Massive 45 minutes, they basically gave up the last 20 of the first half, These games really show how our 2 fullbacks struggle against pacey wingers,


3.) 07 Apr 2018 19:03:51
You lot know nothing. Pogba was always going to score😆😆.


4.) 07 Apr 2018 19:39:04
Think you got your answer timbo.


5.) 07 Apr 2018 20:03:19
Feeling a bit silly now Timbo with that post and where are your long words fella. #Dangerouslywell 😆😆.


6.) 07 Apr 2018 21:34:46
I think he’s lost the dressing room.


7.) 07 Apr 2018 21:38:03
Not at all. Why? You think one decent 45 mins in a season changes anything? And long words? They had a couple of syllables in! Oh dear.


 

 

31 Mar 2018 08:13:22
I’m somewhat baffled by the Martial transfer concerns. He’s lethargic, sullen and seems to loose possession more often than not. He is undoubtedly skilful and still very young. But is that enough?

11 goals in 41 appearances. Potential no doubt. But 22 is not 18, especially in terms of emotional development for me where he seems lacking. Very rarely see him attempt to recover his mistakes and I suspect some of his aloofness will never go.

I’m certainly not saying he’s worthless or top of the list to sell, but I don’t feel José warrants criticism if he does sell him. He’s definitely not an ‘untouchable’.

Timbo

{Ed025's Note - im with you timbo, he has the talent but does he have the heart? i want to see my players busting a gut and loathe to be left out or taken off and i just dont see that in martial, is he one of the new breed who thinks hes made it and just happy to live the lifestyle and pick up the cheque every week?, im not sure mate..


1.) 31 Mar 2018 09:54:15
You can't blame him to be fair. He is never a winger and he won't get chances as a striker until Mourinho is here.

If we can get a proper winger in place od him and improve our team then that is ther perfect for me.

Players come and go, next year we will forget about him once he has gone.

We need players that isn't going to sulk or be emotional about every little thing.

I have auppoeted Martial for a long time but it looks like he is picking on every little thing. He has the talwnt to be a top top player but he needs to grind out the tough tines like Lingard has over the years.

I just think he is worried about his position in the france team as there are so many players ahead of him at the moment.


2.) 31 Mar 2018 10:20:29
Singh when do you think we will see Jose here, I'm getting a bit impatient about it now😀😀😀.

{Ed025's Note - well some do see him as the second coming leahy.. :)


3.) 31 Mar 2018 10:44:16
I think martial has been far better than pogba this year .
That said they are both very good players.


4.) 31 Mar 2018 10:48:23
Of course you can blame him. If he's not trying as hard as he could, regardless of where he's played, that's a problem.


5.) 31 Mar 2018 10:59:00
Martial and rash have covered the left side attack for much of the season and between them got 23 goals and 16 assists, I don't see their position as a problem area . They are both comparable to mane stats wise and all 3 have similar goals and assists . The numbers from the right hand side of attack is where the goals and assists change drastically compared to our rivals with Salah and Stirling . I'd address the right before looking at the left . Its why I'd have tried Sanchez on the right to see if we can fix the problem instead of playing him left where we were doing quite well anyway .


6.) 31 Mar 2018 11:18:47
Loll he is more visible then most of our players. He certainly is better then every other manager out there. 🤣🤣.


7.) 31 Mar 2018 12:13:54
jred.

Being better than Pogba this year really isn't that special is it?


8.) 31 Mar 2018 13:01:53
I think all this with Martial, Pogba and Shaw could put off future transfers, especially any younger ones. It doesn't look good some of the best young player around being moved on after a few years, what does it say to other players?
I for one think this could be a big mistake in more ways than one.


9.) 31 Mar 2018 13:24:35
Martial isn't a striker. Imagine him up front alone? No movement or power. His biggest asset is pace, hence why a wide player is best for him.


10.) 31 Mar 2018 13:34:11
@Murph, I see where you're coming from, but each of those you mention have issues known to the footballing world:

- Pogba: Social media fame getting to him. In love with himself. Egocentric with a passion for elaborate hair styles. Used to playing in a team that is built solely for him. I don't see why he deserves to be carried in such a way when I see the likes of David Silva and De Bruyne chasing down players, tackling, niggling and cajoling week after week. Pogba isn't anywhere near their class yet.

- Martial: Lethargic. Heartless (I love that description Ed025). Emotions are contagious on a football pitch and I worry how much his persona rubs off on other players who see his shoulders and bottom lip drop.

- Shaw: Unprofessional. Overweight. Fed-up with it. Managers less capable than Jose have stated that Shaw has baggage. We're seeing it season after season now.

Plenty of footballers do not have these traits and will know if they are worthy of the United shirt. Many will like a ruthless manager who only wants 11 men committed to the cause week after week. At the moment I question how much each of the above are committed to United. Talent is god-given, however we all have the ability to work on our attitude and develop a work-ethic - and that is where all of the above seem to be lacking.

I cannot think of one United legend who sulked/ behaved in any of the ways these three do. This is less to do with cultural change in football and more about what's inside each player. I truly hope that this summer window is the one where these negativities are rooted out. Its taken a long time coming, but personally this summer is more about who is going than it is who is coming in. Time to change the culture in the dressing room. Time to stand 100% behind Jose. I've put my faith in him - I truly believe he is compromising on quality of football in favour of results due to a poor squad. Seems entirely sensible in a longer term plan to me.

I see the Sevilla result for some players being not too dissimilar to those who played against MK Dons a few years ago. Out the door you go divas.

{Ed025's Note - cracking post timbo and full of perspective, i still dont think jose is the man for united but he does have some massive ego,s and prima-donnas to deal with mate..


11.) 31 Mar 2018 13:55:48
Timbo
Was pogba not the managers big signing?

{Ed025's Note - he was jred, but until you take the wrapper off the sweet you dont know how it tastes mate.. :)


12.) 31 Mar 2018 13:57:21
Get what your saying Timbo, was expecting a reply like that, and i agree with you, it just concerns me the amount of players we have bought over the last 4-5yrs who have not progressed or left for what ever reason, and i think it could cause us some problems in the transfer market. Hope I'm wrong,
Great reply Timbo.


13.) 31 Mar 2018 14:03:31
Ed
That's an expensive way of finding a sweet you like.

{Ed025's Note - it is jred but i think jose thought he was getting the boss in the purple suit and ended up with the toffee penny mate...well certainly not quality street.. :)


14.) 31 Mar 2018 14:07:58
There's too many in the squad that lack character required for a trophy winning team. Whether Jose is the right man or not us another question. But that dressing room needs a good clear out.


15.) 31 Mar 2018 14:13:07
Thanks Ed025 - for what it's worth I'm not sure I'm a Jose fan either, however in my opinion the United board have no choice but to show these players that 'Jose rules'.

We all know SAF made some astonishing player decisions at times (moving on Hughes, Kanchelskis, Ince, Stam, RVN - and he would of Rooney too) that made many wonder what the hell he was he doing. Whilst there were ago issues with each of those players many supporters still felt they should be kept. These guys had steel, skill and a win-at-all-cost attitude. Try putting Martial's demeanour on any of those players and see how wrong it looks and feels. Ultimately though the manager ruled and reached even higher levels after they all left. No player ever became bigger than the club, with for me Roy Keane, one of the greatest players ever to grace the shirt, being the stellar case in point.

For me its simple. if United don't fully support Jose now irrespective of what we think of his tactics very dark very long times will prevail. The King is dead, long live Jose etc.


16.) 31 Mar 2018 14:15:12
That's a great post timbo.


17.) 31 Mar 2018 18:12:52
If Martial leaves I guarantee most people on here in a few years time will be regretting him leaving.


18.) 31 Mar 2018 18:29:26
Shappy,
Have you ever noticed that as soon as we are linked to a player they suddenly become world Class and exactly what we need .
As as soon as there is a report in the paper that a player might leave he suddenly becomes not that good.


 

 

Is Social Media ruining Manchester United and Football in General?

26 Mar 2018 14:40:31
{Ed's Note - Timbo has posted a new article entitled, Is Social Media ruining Manchester United and Football in General?

Timbo

1.) 26 Mar 2018 15:43:23
Good post timbo. I agree with you, not only football but it has the whole world in trouble.
I hate these twitters and so on.
I have a Facebook page but don't get involved in that crap.
These pages are the only social media I take part in.
As for the players now they love themselves and football is becoming a circus from it.
But what can we do they move with it. I know if I was a manager while they are training and taking part in games I would ban them from being on their phones.


2.) 26 Mar 2018 16:06:27
I agree wholeheartedly Timbo but sadly it's a necessary evil. I think it's tradition that every generation can't fathom what the new generation is in to. I'm 31 and I can't stand social media. Never had a twitter, instagram or Snapchat account. I deleted my Facebook account last year because it's a fake environment.


Sadly nowadays it's one of the only ways that kids communicate. Whatever made you decide to support Manchester United 50 years ago is not appealing to the next generation of fans. Whether that be the heroic story of the Busby Babe's. Or Best, Law and Charlton getting Old Trafford on the edge of their seats. Maybe you were born under the shadow of Old Trafford. Maybe it was one of your fellow countryman that donned the famous United shirt that drew you to us. Maybe it was Fergie's 90's teams that caught your eye?

The majority of kids don't care about any of the above (at the moment) . They want the team that has the most Facebook fans, twitter followers etc. And the kids are the ones that hound their parents for the two new kits every year and the tracksuits and all the tat that we can put our logo on.

United capitalised on their success in the 90s which made them a global "brand". We don't play with a blank cheque book. To dine at the top table in football, we need to bring our own money and if that means having an official tractor sponsor, then that's a necessary evil in my book. The soul of football is long gone or maybe it never existed in the first place!


3.) 26 Mar 2018 16:10:25
Good article. Twitter is killing society. Everything's so polarised. Brexit, Corbyn, Trump etc etc. Its just full of people so busy screaming insults and smears that there's no debate. Everything's so extreme there's no middle of the road. Nothing to do with football. But its getting there as well. The vileness around subsections of fans making insults about clubs tragedies, the abuse directed at players for having a bad game, homophobic or racist comments from players as well as fans. The constant whining from fans about shiny new signings. United's own twitter account made some comment in January regards the upcoming fa cup game an it was full of eejits just saying announce Sanchez announce Sanchez.


4.) 26 Mar 2018 16:13:50
it isn't ruining anything. Timbo you are an old man doing old people stuff which mainly seems to be criticizing today's youth about how they behave, that's how the generation before yours responded to whatever changes they saw in your generation and that is how my generation will behave about stuff footballers would be doing 25-30 years from now.


5.) 26 Mar 2018 16:42:43
Csm I have to disagree with you here. I've never seen so much false behaviour than I have on social media. I was at a restaurant the other night with the wife and there was another couple there we knew. now you could see they were arguing and things weren't right between them.
Anyway I looked at them and for 3 seconds they were smiling for the camera they took a selfie.
Anyway my wife was friends with the girl. up on Facebook she wrote. out with Dave having a ball and named the restaurant. pure bull.
Then you see people putting up pictures of what they are eating, who gives a toss.
Then for me the worst of the whole lot. children Christmas morning opening their presents. wait kids don't open them untill I get my phone and show everyone what we bought you from santa. aren't we great parents.
False bulls##t.
Then you have aww my child is 6 years old here's an iPhone
It's everything that's wrong with the world.


6.) 26 Mar 2018 17:10:20
I've got to agree with Leahy. I've had friend requests from people I was at school with that I haven't seen in 20 years. For a good reason. Why should I help people I never liked, never spoke to, or who bullied me, get more friends. And yes the rubbish people put on there, especially regards their offspring. Who really cares. Its really all about them not their kids.


7.) 26 Mar 2018 18:06:56
Mort, you're spot on about everyone's views either being far right or far left. Football has become like that. After the Sevilla game I couldn't look up the football news, I barely came onto this site (though I still read the majority of posts) and it was so hyperbolic. If it's not the greatest thing in the world, then it's the worst thing in the world. That's the problem with 24 hour news, most of the time there isn't enough news to fill the day so they engineer stories. That's why this site is fantastic. Everyone voicing their opinion and no ulterior motives behind the scenes. Unless the eds are the illuminati?

Granted Jose ballsed it up big time against Sevilla, the three great results before that are glossed over and now Jose is the worst manager in the world. Sometimes it's alright to say "we were crap, let's move on".


8.) 26 Mar 2018 18:45:36
Social media has given a voice to the previously voiceless - this is praised by vested interests, but its pathetic. Got to ask yourself why they were voiceless in the first place? Probably because they have very little of value to add and were busy working in their jobs that they were content with until this new timewaster and friction creator came along.

Social media arrives and now it's possible to achieve celebrity for mundane things, develop a following for your uninformed belief system which further entrenches ill thought out views. Furthermore, these people now see their contemporaries every hour of the day pretending their life is soooo much better than it really is - which creates resentment and a false sense of importance. It's all a con feeding into everybody's desire to be valued.

Society is getting worse because Indians think they deserve to be Chiefs, and idiots you would normally walk past on a busy high street now have a podium to scream their idiocy. These idiots are not ridiculed like they would have been before social media, because at the same time we have things like political correctness protecting and encouraging stupidity without consequence.

Idiots are encouraged to believe nothing is good enough anymore - people have lost sight of what their station is in life and set their goals and aspirations to ridiculously high levels on account of the BS they see all around them. Not achieving instant gratification makes them depressed, then they delude themselves that their failure is somebody else's fault, which ultimately perpetuates the issue for the next poor sucker that reads fiction believing it is fact.

Corporate's, Media and Politicians love social media because it allows them to profit from ill-informed sheep. Most certainly will not have read around a subject that they suddenly want wholesale changes made to in society. It's collapsing though as people trust things less and less, what was a glorious triumph for the people behind social engineering is now failing because people see how easy it is to lie/ mislead - if they can do it then why can't the press, politicians, businesses - the genie has been let out of the bottle.

Fools think they are special, nobody can be critical for fear of being called a 'hater' and the good, interesting, honest people are being drowned out by the morons. I fear for the next generation. Where we could read a book to learn something, they have to read 5-10 books to learn the same because of all the agendas at play - who knows what is real anymore?

It could have been good, it should have been good - but corruption and political correctness have destroyed it and many more things to come undoubtedly.

{Ed025's Note - what a great post, i believe everyhing you say there beast well done mate.....maybe you should put it on facebook?.. :)


9.) 26 Mar 2018 18:37:59
Timbo, I enjoyed reading your article mate but I'm afraid Social Media is here to stay.

We live in a world where celebrity is king and you can now become famous by just posting some pictures on line.

I understand the sentiment but maybe the more troubling reality of social media is how it's being used by advertisers, multinational companies, news agencies and even terrorists, other extremist's groups and politicians in an attempt to influence everything from what soap powder you buy to how you vote.

Let's be honest we all hold a morbid fascination with other people's lives and most people on here have admitted to having some form of social media account. It's pretty easy to remove yourself from the drivel by just deleting your accounts. My general rule of thumb is if something doesn't enhance your life then just get rid.

In terms of social media in football I don't really have a problem with it as long as the players are doing the business on the pitch. If players are more concerned about the number of followers on their Facebook, Twitter or Instagram accounts than the quality of their football then it's up to the manager to sort this out and move them on if it becomes detrimental to their performance.


10.) 26 Mar 2018 19:19:49
Leahy do you think pretentious behavior is something gave create because it didn't, it is as fake as it was 50 years ago just because you can see it on a small screen on a larger scale than when you were unaware of it for most part doesn't mean Facebook created it.

Mort tell me which one's worse you go to a friend or colleague or whatever's house and he drones on about his offspring or you see a post about the same. Atleast with the post you don't need to sit through it.

About the friend requests, if one of those people met you on street tomorrow and said hi whether you shrug and ignore them or reply back is on you, Facebook has nothing to do with it. If you don't want you don't have to accept it.

Beast there is lot of bad rubbish happening because of social media but do seriously think that social media caused or even enhanced it. Every thing is a weapon in the right hands. Yet you completely ignore the good it does, stuff like the united airline incident or police brutalities in usa won't see light of the day without social media.


11.) 26 Mar 2018 19:37:53
Beast great post, I agree with ed it should be put up on Facebook.
I read it to my 2 oldest girls.
Kids follow like sheep, the want designer clothes because the friends have them, and the celebs have them.
People don't even look like themselves anymore if that makes sense they look mock, it was like the time Charlie Chaplin entered a Charlie Chaplin lookalike competition and he came 3rd.

{Ed025's Note - love it leahy..


12.) 26 Mar 2018 19:55:14
Leahy did you never want anything your friends had when you were young?


13.) 26 Mar 2018 20:02:10
Cheers Ed.

CSM - See this is the trap, everything has to be either/ or.

Social Media has many good points, nobody with a brain will deny that. It allows people to connect across the world, learn things they would never know about and maintain friendships/ relationships that maybe they couldn't do otherwise. But it is not used for that in most cases. We are now seeing provable evidence of how it's used as a propaganda vehicle as well, which should further highlight it's real purpose.

To use your examples (but I do get your point) . I remember seeing the Rodney King beating that took place in 1991 and launched the riots - before social media. There will be things missed and advantages to getting good causes or bad practice out in the open easier like those you mention. Things like the UA incident would have been picked up by the media if social media didn't exist imo, as the victim would have launched a legal attack on the company and there were dozens of witnesses. Social Media causes far more problems than it solves, (we still have police brutality and we still have companies acting inappropriately with their customers btw) .

The media is late to the party now so they have to over-dramatize or trick people to read their article in order to get views. It's a mammoth job separating truth from fiction even with what were formerly trusted sources. Investigative journalism is virtually dead because short cuts have to be taken and agendas have to be reinforced because eyeballs of sheep are not loyal or patient.

Like most things in life there are two sides to the coin. But yes I believe overall Social Media is enhancing problems in society in a big way for the reasons I mentioned in my first post. Little things don't matter anymore, jealousy is the most powerful emotion in my opinion and social media is a jealousy weapon of epic proportions. It also helps reinforce dangerous or incorrect information, corrupting society.

Watch a quiz show on TV today, then watch Bullseye from the 80's - it's amazing the difference in intellect of contestants (before social media) . We are being dumbed down and social media is a weapon assisting with the process.


14.) 26 Mar 2018 20:11:52
Social media gives everyone with an opinion the right to air that opinion. No matter how stupid that opinion is. Everyone now believes that the rest of the world wants to hear their inane ramblings on everything from policing, to the medical professions, to how to run a government. Before social media, these people, quite rightly, had nowhere to spout their nonsense: A. because they couldn't be bothered to write a letter to their local newspaper, because it would take time away from essential Jeremy Kyle viewing time, or B. even if they could be bothered, they were too illiterate to do so.

{Ed025's Note - very true mate..


15.) 26 Mar 2018 20:16:07
Csm I did but I got what I needed not what I wanted.


16.) 26 Mar 2018 22:24:53
Never forget the immortal words of our ancestors, which we will all mutter ourselves given enough time.

"Things were better in my day"

There's good and bad in every new development. However, all are forward steps and therefore progressive. It it just becomes harder to appreciate that when your being left behind.

Our biggest fear is the unknown, and as the world moves beyond us we start to fear it as we no longer recognise it. I've spoken to many a chap who will gladly tell me life was better in his day, then I point out that in his day millions were dying across Europe, bombs were raining down on families in their homes, food was rationed and children were torn from their mothers breast to be sent to live with strangers in the countryside. And compared to those in concentration camps across Europe we had the best of it. Even when I present them with that they still try and claim that it was somehow better then than now.

The world doesn't get better or worse, only different. Either embrace it or fear it. It will change no matter what. Would you rather live in fear or happiness, that is the only choice you have.

Or do what I do and drink a bottle of port and become all philosophical. Lol.

{Ed025's Note - give me swig of that shappy...nice post mate..


17.) 27 Mar 2018 02:30:58
Beast always love to read your post but your 2 posts above are the best since no football is involved 🤣🤣. Tells me you’re a logical person 😉.
As for the subject above I like what I read from everyone. It sort of tells you the “age group” of the posters. My take on media (not necessarily social media but a bigger picture) is that we can undo all the technological advances and we need to evolve and move with it. Any good thing always comes at a price and potential downside. Use it wisely and life will always be better. You cannot stop the bad guys also using it to help themselves afterall you can’t know white (color wise) unless there is a black and you can’t know good unless there is a bad. It depends really on who is using.
So media (again not necessarily social) is good but depends on who it is helping and who is exploiting these technologies. My kids are so far ahead of me even though I was with working for Big IT corporates for the last 20 yrs. My son beat the crap out of me in computer games since 10-13 yrs ago and I feel the younger generation picks up faster than the generation b4 them. The last generation developed it but the current are the ones born out of it. It’s their way of life, period. I am learning things from my kids as well and that’s a joy 🤣.
So like someone said above if you don’t like what you read just move on to the next read and I practice that. I do read other news but ultimately come back here to read all the posts as I trust the bare minimum responsibilities of the Eds on this site. I also get to know some of you through here without which life would have been boring and mundane. Wouldn’t it be really boring this week if we don’t have here to post during this week? 🤣🤣🤣
So for me thanks to media (may not be social media) like this also exists and I am happy to know all of you.


18.) 27 Mar 2018 06:44:31
Great post Beast. I like some social media but I tend to use it as a restricted group of people I know and like, it’s a good way to communicate daily with people you might not otherwise keep up with. I’ve also got 2 teenagers so WhatsApp and Snapchat are regularly in use. But it has become ridiculous. Someone I know has 175 followers on Twitter (who he doesn’t know) or as he says “175 people who are interested in what I have to say”. I find it a bot bizarre that he’s played by this but also that 175 people are bothered enough to “listen” to his nonsense. I get why people might follow celebrities’ every uttering (not for me) but your everyday Joe spouting his opinions into the world seems pointless.

I partly blame 5 Live, “call now and give us your opinion, we want to hear from you” all day every day. If I am listening to a political debate I want to hear from the politicians and experts, not Joe from Coventry who thinks the Middle East problem is really easy to solve. Everybody feels they are entitled to tell us what they think no matter how inane, irrelevant, or plain stupid it is. Another modern phenomenon is the lack of shame people have. If they shout their view loudly enough then you will have to listen and if you don’t agree then tough titty buddy.

I had to post this paragraph form Beat’s post again as it is so goo.

“Fools think they are special, nobody can be critical for fear of being called a 'hater' and the good, interesting, honest people are being drowned out by the morons. I fear for the next generation. Where we could read a book to learn something, they have to read 5-10 books to learn the same because of all the agendas at play - who knows what is real anymore? ”

Amen.


19.) 27 Mar 2018 07:42:55
Wow! Some amazing insights and responses that stretched way beyond football. The conclusion appears to be social media is an unacceptable evil but we have no choice but to let it flourish. Is that a fair summary?

{Ed001's Note - god no, people could just stop using the likes of FB and Twitter that allow free reign to bigots and abuse. Or simply keep their own circle of friends and 'followers' to genuine friends. It is not that difficult to delete FB, no matter how far apart your family and friends are. If they mean that much to you, then surely they are worth the extra effort to phone or email occasionally, rather than the lazy easy option of just adding them on FB?}


20.) 27 Mar 2018 08:01:02
Well said Ed.
Doesn’t mean it is there that you have to use it. I deleted my FB account and even the biz LinkedIn. Those wanting to link with you especially the so-called headhunters usually are using the linkups into your other contacts but unfortunately not you 🤣. So whilst social media has its merits it all depends on who is using and what for.
Just use it if it helps and not if it doesn’t. Just like a car, drive if you need to else walk, take a bus or train. There’s always options and other benefits 😉.

{Ed001's Note - well said, though I have noticed that very few people who have a car use anything else, even if they are only going 100 yards down the road!}


21.) 27 Mar 2018 09:26:20
What a read first thing over breakfast - really thought-provoking comments.

Unfortunately, social media is only part of the problem in today’s disposable society, where instant gratification drives a world that never seems content enough to reflect upon what it has - and always wants more. And Football seems caught up in this.

I’m as guilty as anyone for not appreciating what I have: I update my phone and TV, though ones I have are perfectly good enough; endlessly flick through channels to find something instantly engaging, rather than being patient and waiting for the plot to develop; many other things also, from buying things on the credit card and not saving up to using processed foods in cooking rather than starting from scratch using proper tasty ingredients. My parents must squirm and be so disappointed: what happened to all the things they taught me?

And this constant demand for instant gratification is everywhere: news, politics, culture and leisure to name a few. I was at the recycling centre I’ve the weekend and the sheer waste was obscene, with perfectly decent stuff being chucked. Look at the car market now: people don’t keep their bangers going, they just sign up to a PCP or lease and change every year or two.

Consequently, It’s a ticking time bomb for the next generation: these so- called “Millenials” get grief for being allegedly pampered and narcissistic but who’s encouraging them to be like this? We are. We can’t be bothered to put the effort into teaching them how to value their possessions, how to realise that patience is a virtue and that there are other people out there so much worse off than us.

We need to step out of the consumption circle, take a break, think about what’s really important. Taking a week’s holiday away from our phones should be compulsory as we reconnect and reassess. Yes, You Tube videos are funny for ten minutes but your mates are hilarious for a lifetime. Yes, it’s great to binge on Football rumours but it all get a bit sinister with request after request, hassling others just because we haven’t got the patience to search for ourselves. And getting a Facebook update can be mildly interesting but better to grab your coat and meet them down the pub.

Thus, I think that social media/ our constant need for the latest news is certainly not helping Football but it’s more of a response to how we live nowadays in a materialistic, disposable and superficial society, full of instant sound bytes, opinions, pictures, tweets, etc - but where little else has any real substance. The players are caught up in this but so are the fans. Although, you might argue that Football is something that has all the qualities that could bring everyone back together: excitement building up to a game, patience through the season, social interaction and shared joy and celebration at a good result.

However, unless we do more to raise these concerns now, we’ll leave a very dangerous and frightening legacy for our children. We think we’re being good parents keeping them plugged in and charged up but ultimately we’re not doing them any favours at all.


22.) 27 Mar 2018 09:51:23
Good post Wallace.
There's good and bad in it, your dammed if you do and your dammed if you don't. but as ed said if you aren't happy delete.
Ed 033 if your about and have time I'd like to hear your opinion on this thread.

{Ed033's Note - Part of the agenda is to get everyone to worship degeneracy and become degenerate through influencing them at schools, colleges, universities, mainstream media and government policy in general. Social Media is a great way to see whether their influencing is working.

Obviously we should be all be engaged in working towards excellence and not degeneracy. However, if you look at Social Media as a whole, we can see their degeneracy influencing is working really well.


23.) 27 Mar 2018 11:03:11
A very fair point Ed001. My summary was more about United than society in general. Facebook truly is a paradox though as the best way to instigate such a campaign (at zero cost at least) is via social media. I think many people would drop Facebook in the current climate, however its akin to recycling. Many don't bother simply because they believe others don't.

Personally, and not meaning to come across as arrogant or expert - just positioning my outlook, as somebody currently studying forensic psychology who has studied social psychology I honestly see social media as big as a threat to society - if not bigger - than artifical intelligence.

Too many people are just not wired for such diverse (and so many) 'relationships' - even just online. In the end we seem to harvest more hate than compassion whether based on envy or just simply being in a different social group. It takes vey little difference between people to foster hate.


24.) 27 Mar 2018 18:16:18
Good posts.

Timbo - Regarding your last point seeing Social Media as a bigger threat than AI. I think they are one in the same mate, social media is turning the lesser minded into robots, regurgitating what their masters tell them, policing dissenters of the narrative, working/ consuming/ watching then repeat until death.

Corruption is everywhere and has always has been, but this time I fear it's different because the top dogs have figured out how to stop any meaningful dissent, (let the minions fight the minions over nothing issues online) .

More and more people of character will start to think 'what's the point'. Lazyness is being encouraged everywhere, it's Turkey's voting for Christmas at the minute.


 

 

 

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24 Apr 2018 19:20:45
Sailed and sunk hopefully.

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19 Apr 2018 23:52:15
Is he on a de-tox? 😂😂.

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06 Apr 2018 21:48:47
Ed025. if it's a lie by Pep then I'm not sure SAF ever stooped quite this low. If its the truth then he's entitled to do so isn't he?

Timbo

{Ed025's Note - all is fair in love, war and football they say timbo, i remember fergie almost giving keegan a nervous breakdown with mind games mate..


 

 

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06 Apr 2018 20:22:19
Cant get my head around this. Completely ambivalent about Pogba leaving, but my malaise is how United look more and more stupid in each passing transfer window.

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06 Apr 2018 11:51:40
A poor attitude on the pitch is no better than an injured player. Arguably worse. I don't see Martial fitting either Pep's or Klopp's high press philosophy, which many of us crave. So why worry?

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21 Apr 2018 23:22:55
He’s stabilising the club, and irrespective of what he does/ doesn’t win next year the club will be in a better place than when he joined. I still think he could be with us for many more years. Right now he’s putting trophies in the cabinet with a poor squad. What more can people ask for?

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21 Apr 2018 15:18:38
It was an amazing afternoon. I was 17, same age as Whiteside when he scored!

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21 Apr 2018 14:27:34
. agreed. Can also add.

Whiteside v Arsenal, 1983
Hughes v Liverpool, 1985.

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17 Apr 2018 21:34:00
Never has a thread had me so confused. I consider myself an intelligent person, but I have no idea how I am 'toxic'? How did I or my peers disrupt board level plans? Since when in the history of football did supporters of a club become such a liability? I've read some bizarre theories in my time on various sites and and in questionable newspapers, but this smacks of somehow being personal.

These are genuine questions. I think Ed002, that whilst seemingly knowledgable, you leave many gaps for mere mortals such as ourselves to fill in. Maybe some tangible examples of how being 'toxic' manifested itself? This may help us all appreciate where we went wrong and how we have jeopardised the future of the club.

Timbo

{Ed002's Note - This was done to death and I expalined in detail at the time. Why would you type such a ridiculous post - it is simply stupid and embarrassing?}


 

 

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18 Apr 2018 07:28:46
So my post didn’t make the editorial cut? Obviously not a site that supports free - and non-abusive - speech?

Timbo

{Ed001's Note - you think Ed002 is here 24 hours a day waiting for someone like you to post their oh so important thoughts, just so he can reply to you? Arrogance drips out of you! Ever thought he might just not have seen it to deal with it yet? As it is, I might just delete your post for the sake of it, as I can't be doing with the likes of you who think the world revolves around them and has unnecessary digs at someone who does this for free and gives up their time so the likes of you can whine at them for not dropping everything in the early hours of the morning to deal with their post.}