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24 Aug 2021 01:48:03
Y’all are really debating whether DVB is good or not? He’s had the same amount of minutes on the pitch as Ole has trophies as a manager. Fair play if he had a run of 4-5 games in a row and was awful but his 5-10 mins cameos or starting in a team of youth in cup games aren’t really the best measuring stick.
There wasn’t a massive queue for his signature but it did look like he was nailed on for Real at one point before Utd swooped in and signed him. Even 6 months after he signed and leading up to the Jan window when his agent was already hawking him around as he was desperate to leave there were 3-4 clubs which were credited with an interest.
No one knows why Ole doesn’t trust him, we can only guess. I’d say he thinks he’s not defensive enough in Ole’s opinion to play in the ‘double pivot’ but you would think in games that you’re expecting close to 70% of the possession that it wouldn’t be a problem but it doesn’t seem like it. Ole won’t even trust him enough to give Fernandes a rest once in a while so don’t see how he’ll ever get a game. So at this point it’s better to sell him for whatever amount you can get and try to replace him with someone will at least play.
1.) 24 Aug 2021 07:55:49
I think we were more debating why Ole might not be playing him rather than be tearing him a new one over it every time he doesn’t play. Because clearly he is a better player than any of our other players in that position.
2.) 24 Aug 2021 09:32:46
Ole is an idiot.
If Donny was called Donny Smith or some English game he will play every single game.
It's always going to be hard from someone coming from the Dutch league and adapt here.
Ole has not given him any help whatsoever. He had high praise from a club legend in Van Der Sar. He was Ajax schooled.
There is a player there, and better than Fred and Matic.
Donny would thrive, thrive in the current setup.
Pogba, Bruno, Donny, Cavani, Greenwood, (Mata too) have some sort of footballing brains that a lot of our players don't.
I don't see how Donny doesn't work out with regular gametime.
3.) 24 Aug 2021 09:39:49
I agree I hate this fan base he’s had from somewhere. Every time I’ve seen him it’s been pretty obvious why he’s sub . I’ve read posts about how unfair he’s being treated, do me a favour, he’s on obscene amounts of money to perform in training to warrant a starting place . I’ve seen nothing in him to suggest he’s good enough to warrant this hype .
29 May 2021 01:40:09
I’m not a Utd fan, from what (albeit v little tbf) of united I've seen this season, OGS doesn’t have an attacking plan. It’s all about counter attacking at speed, but mostly lumping the ball forward and relying on your forwards to make something happen. There doesn’t seem to be an attacking style of play, in terms of movement and passing, which seems to be which you struggle to break down a low block.
As a Chelsea fan, i had the same concerns early on in Tuchel’s reign as it seemed to be 100% focused on defence with v little on attack (whereas with Frank, there seemed to be ‘some’ kind of forward play)
The weirdest thing is I’m happy for OGS to sign a 3 year extension. Yes you came second but actually I don’t actually worry about you guys despite finishing lower than you.
1.) 29 May 2021 04:38:06
Okay then. Nice to know.
2.) 29 May 2021 05:16:06
Fuser
Yes I would imagine most opposition fans will be happy to see as many years as possible with Ole in charge. The United board, the gift that keeps on giving, not to Utd fans but to all the fans of other clubs.
We don’t lump the ball up, we do work it to about 30 yards out and then pass inside, fingers crossed Bruno or Pogba creates something, otherwise it is a dull, boring repeat session. We don’t cross a ball, don’t manipulate the full back to get behind a defence, so as we saw with Villarreal who easily sussed our only option and Ole didn’t have a clue what to do.
3.) 29 May 2021 06:27:41
I wonder if many united fans go to other team pages and obsess over other teams and their styles…
I am so relieved that you’re not worried @fuser. Good 4 u!
4.) 29 May 2021 09:01:11
Tuchel is fenomenal, losing to Villa and being lucky enough to still get top 4 is surely the way to go!
5.) 29 May 2021 09:10:13
Trololo
Would you have been pleased to get top four, in the FA Cup final and European Cup Final after a few months in charge, taking over a team in a mess? Given we in effect finished 17th in the Champions League and have had three years of dross forgive me for wishing we had Tuchel instead of Ole.
6.) 29 May 2021 09:20:29
@Trololo hahahahahaha good one buddy! i was just thinking the same thing and wondering if i missed something, because i don't know how tuchel started to be considered as the best in the world lollllll
I mean Pep i get, and klopp and nagalesman's teams play really well from what i hear, but Tuchel he had gazillion bucks and Neymar and mbappe and how many trebles did he win?
I know i may sound harsh and i will admit that i haven't seen his teams an awful lot but jeeeeeeez.
7.) 29 May 2021 11:02:42
Red Man he might finish not winning anything and lower than us in league.
Also, he lost title for PSG this season, which is why he was fired.
I would argue if they were that much worse with Lampard than with Tuchel.
Im not saying i'm 100% satisfied with our current situation, but I wouldn't go near Tuchel.
8.) 29 May 2021 11:03:58
Thanks Raconteur, I totally agree.
I watched a bit of Dortmund and PSG and I can't say they were anything special.
9.) 29 May 2021 13:52:06
He took over Chelsea when they were 9th. He finished 4th and has gotten to two major finals. that's a good second half to the season.
In comparison, Ole took over when we were 6th and finished 6th, and that was good enough apparently?
Tuchel is a quality coach who has changed and improved this Chelsea side in a very short space of space. Again in comparison, we will see our manager take charge in his 4th campaign and we still look like strangers on the pitch.
It's crazy, it seems to be the fans who back Ole who have no time for Tuchel? Trololo, you didn't see anything special about Dortmund or PSG? What about Cardiff and Molde?
10.) 29 May 2021 15:07:22
i mean he did win the league titles back to back while incharge there.
And i can't remember who was leading psg when we knocked em out of the champs league with Ole just havin taken the charge at united.
Oh memory, you trickster mistress :D.
11.) 29 May 2021 16:17:29
Mumbles you should really try reading what I post.
I didn't say I was satisfied with Ole, I said Tuchel isn't anything special and he really isnt.
If he doesn't win CL he will be labeled as a loser manager, as he lost 2 CL finals and final vs Leicester.
Ole took over when we were 6th and now we are 2nd, why don't you look at it like that?
{Ed014's Note - what are you labelled if you lose 4 semi finals, a final and get a club relegated?
12.) 29 May 2021 16:18:37
I do cheer for Chelsea to win though, just to put it out.
13.) 29 May 2021 16:31:31
Interesting tuchel lost his old team the title 6 months after he left. he's also managed to get to back to back champions league finals with 2 teams!
Not saying he's the next big thing but certainly better than our manager. Also managed to stamp his identity on chelsea and get players that were seen as not wanted under lamps playing well within 6 months.
Not bad if u ask me, considering in our squad our manager manages to get performances out of about 15 of them.
Also has ole managed to get 90mins of football out of the team since he's been there?
14.) 29 May 2021 17:04:49
Trololo, apologies I just assumed. How would you sum up our own managers tenure so far and where do you think he can take us?
15.) 29 May 2021 18:10:28
me too @trololo come on chelskisssss!
16.) 29 May 2021 17:11:05
Again, Ed, I never compared Tuchel to Ole, I just said he isn't anything special.
If you want to compare, Ole finished 2nd, Tuchel 4th, while getting fired at PSG. He got to 2 finals, lost 1, if he loses a 2nd, he will be labeled as loser, same as Ole for his semi finals and finals achievement.
W16 check the amount of points and table placement while Tuchel was in charge.
Again, I wasnt comparing the two, I was saying I don't rate Tuchel as top manager at all.
{Ed014's Note - I asked you what you’d call a manager who has lost 4 semi finals a final and got a club relegated.
Made no mention of a comparison fella, so what’s the answer?
17.) 29 May 2021 17:27:47
Lemme ask klopp ed! he did lose what 6 or 7 finals before he won one, I'm sure you'd agree losing 6 or 7 finals is far worse than losing 4 semis right? . i'll get right back to you!
{Ed014's Note - fella if you want to put other managers down to make yours seem better, knock yourself out! 🤦â€â™‚ï¸
18.) 29 May 2021 18:30:07
On the contrary ed! i wasnt putting klopp down, he is clearly one of the better managers in the game rn! My point was, he lost several finals before winning one!
by the by you do agree with me right? losing 6 finals is worse than losing 4 semis?
{Ed014's Note - brilliant, well get back to me when Ole wins something, you know, like the Premier League or Champions league. I’ll wait.
19.) 29 May 2021 19:08:54
Klopp's teams played scintillating football. In Germany as well as in England.
Ole's teams play like absolute dross, bores the fans to death.
20.) 29 May 2021 19:12:34
Raconteur, you must be thinking of a different klopp because he won two leagues back to back and a cup final in Germany before embarking on the 6 losses in cup finals.
Is it a different klopp you are talking about? Because h
Judge had already proved himself beyond all considerable doubt we'll before he managed to get to another 7 finals 🤦â€â™‚ï¸.
21.) 29 May 2021 19:26:34
Not obsessed about united at all. Nor was I comparing managers or stating I think Tuchel is a messiah. I still have questions in regards to our own attacking play, and as well as we’ve played in a back 5 I do think we need to switch to a back 4 to build to be a top top side IMO. I came to gauge how united fans thought OGS was doing. From what I’ve seen (I wouldn’t call you lucky) but the amount of times you’ve gone behind in matches and your struggles to break down low blocks, I was just interested in a normal dialogue.
22.) 29 May 2021 19:27:13
I was not undermining klopp @angel. i think you didn't follow the context of my comments, or maybe i just worded them too poorly.
Also, technically, and i can't stress that enough, so i repeat, technically Ole won two back to back league titles in norway too ;)
23.) 29 May 2021 19:27:17
Again Ed, you are asking me about Ole, while I haven't said anything about him.
But if you want an answer, i'd call him a looser too, same as Tuchel.
I did have some kind of understanding for Ole for some time, but I clearly can't say he has a winner mentality when he subs Greenwood for Fred or smth like that.
{Ed014's Note - unfortunately you did mention Ole but let’s just brush over that hey.
24.) 29 May 2021 20:00:29
I havent, at least not in my original comment.
I was Ole in, I have to admit, but opinions do change. I wasnt happy with that final at all.
Anyway, my original answer was directed to Tuchel, not anyone else. i'm not convinced with Tuchel at all and i'm not worries with Chelsea while Tuchel is their manager, that's all.
25.) 29 May 2021 20:08:40
Mumbles, I have just seen your comment. As I said earlier, I was Ole in, but I too am dissapointed.
Mostly with his cowerdly subs and tactics.
I would rate his tenure with good in the beggining, and being scared to risk in the end, which cost us tropheys.
I don't know who would be the best choice for us, but it wouldn't be Tuchel.
26.) 30 May 2021 07:16:44
Trololo
Tuchel is a European Cup winning coach after 6 months, Ole relegated Cardiff and plays the worst football since Sexton.
Tuchel, another top coach United have missed out on whilst emotional over Ole. The board are useless.
04 Nov 2016 22:48:02
According to Le Tissier, half your squad should be shown the exit. Thoughts?
1.) 04 Nov 2016 23:09:37
Seen his list and I agree other than keeping rooney for sentimental value, that is nonsense. Over the next 2 transfer windows I can see a huge clear out and incoming players of better quality. This time next year I think we'll be unrecognisable to the team that has been pretty dire so far this season.
2.) 05 Nov 2016 11:11:49
Where was he a couple of months ago when the window was actually open. lol some people makes me laugh.
03 May 2024 16:16:11
Bradders pretty sure ed002 has said Benfica will look to get the full €100m for Silva. If they do so then they have no need to sell Neves at all, so would hold out for his full release clause. Plenty interest in both will also drive their price up to close to their release clause given Chelsea are said to be interested and Boehly and co haven’t been shy of spending an arm and a leg on a player.
02 May 2024 23:44:35
Those figures seem a bit light. Nice were wanting €50-60m for Todibo in Jan. Benfica want €100m for Silva, Neves has a €120m buyout clause too. Ait-Nouri is 40-50m.
28 Apr 2024 00:20:58
Why not choose between Messi in his prime or Rashford? ?.
25 Apr 2024 21:04:07
Shappy why would O’Neil take a step backwards from being a head coach at Wolves (where he’s been relatively successful) to be an assistant at Utd? Maybe Ancelotti and Alonso will come be coaches under Southgate too? ?.
17 Apr 2024 00:50:27
KTBBFH, I imagine it would be the same if Chelsea started buying Strasbourg players for 20% under value. That’s the sort of implication that Utd buying Nice players will have. Player A is worth 100m but was sold to Utd for 80m etc. Regardless whether true or not but say if Utd buy Todibo for 50m the Nice fans will feel cheated regardless of whether that’s the max bid or not:
02 May 2024 23:48:48
Out of contract, lazy and always injured. £10m please ?.
01 May 2024 12:18:49
Tumble I was going by what the OP posted saying his contract expired next year my bad.
01 May 2024 12:15:50
Think Maguire stays til the end of his contract. On massive wages which I doubt he’ll reduce, ruling out most of European clubs. If Moyes departs WH in the summer their interest will likely go with him. Maybe Saudi but doubt he’ll want to go there.
01 May 2024 00:50:56
Tbf tumble, most should be close to it. I just don’t think they have much value. West Ham are only linked with a £15m bid for Maguire. Lindelof, AWB, Amad, DVB are all £10m or less imo. Hannibal, Mctominay and Greenwood are pure profit and so is Erickson since he was signed on a free. Varane is a bit 50/ 50 should at least break even tbf, forgot he was signed back in 21.
30 Apr 2024 17:05:28
How’re you getting £5m for Heaton when he’s out of contract? ?
Category B: barring Greenwood, Erickson and Mctominay all of them would most likely be sold at a loss in terms of PSR limiting the amount that Utd can spend regardless of what they sell for.
Given Utd couldn’t afford to pay the loan fee for Cucurella last season, any losses in terms of PSR sales will mean an even more limited budget this summer.