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05 Jul 2020 08:04:11
Entertaining game yesterday some of the attacking play was levels above what we have seen in years. The amount of options players have on the ball has just increased massively plus the confidence of playing that killer ball has definitely increased.

I do think we are causing our own problems at the back especially at goal kicks as its evident and always has been that although degea is great a shot stopping with his feet his distribution with the ball at his feet is appalling and causing us trouble more often then not. Playing out of the back is fine but your keeper has to play a big part of that.

Greenwood what a player the balance he has brought to the attack finally means we are not so lopsided in attack and it makes a big difference when breaking down the teams that sit deep that they know they have to defend right and left side as opposed to just the left. I would still 100% bring in sancho as I think he just adds genuine quality and competition which would keep everyone on their toes. Seeing city bring on mahrez against liverpool a player who has been player of the year in the past really highlighted to me the need for a stronger squad.

I have always said I would rather win 4-3 then 1-0 on numerous occasions so I shouldn't complain about the defense when our attack scores 5 in a game! Attack attack attack.

mnk397

 

 

01 Jul 2020 17:54:38
Just wanted to say from a tactical perspective how pleasing it was to see a plan from Ole. I am not a Ole fan but credit where its due the high press and work rate of the team was excellent against Brighton and that's exactly how we should approach the rest of the season.

Also If you watch Bruno during the press he seems to be the one orchestrating it from the front and he's infectious. Brilliant to see Utd on the front foot again. Bruno and Pogba absolutely boss the middle with the support of Matic but the drop off from them in terms of quality after them is too steep for my liking.

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19 Jun 2020 23:26:14
Spurs there for the taking its was obvious to everyone that spurs would not set up to win the game but contain and sit deep yet ole still played dan james whose main asset is pace in behind the defence but he knew there would be no space yet he still played him.

Fred and mctominay all the passion and energy in the world and desire but you can not substitute that for quality and as soon as pogba came on you see the difference he is more than a level above the others. I get he wanted to ease pogba in but spurs like I said are there for the taking and he was worth the risk.

Shaws positionioning was a bit suspect at times but that can be put down to rustyness. One thing I did notice is the movement upfront is not the best, against a low block it has to be much better so many times bruno has it and no one is making the runs.

I am not blaming victor for the goal but we really do need a quick centre back next to Maguire.

mnk397

1.) 19 Jun 2020 23:37:22
It’s nice to see that Dave didn’t lose his inconsistency during the lockdown. Poor keeping for the goal and then an amazing save from Son a few minutes later. If things keep going this way, Hendo has to be in with a shout for our number 1 spot next season.

Pogba was a class above anyone else on the pitch today, but I think given the way that we played, a point is probably more than deserved. I’m now somewhat regretting my decision to wake up at 4AM to watch.


2.) 20 Jun 2020 07:58:25
Well football is back!

I think tonight was a missed opportunity.

Spurs were predictably passive and dropped deep and we fell into the trap of playing lateral football devoid of any real imagination or penetration.

Their goal beautifully exposed all our flaws. Whilst Maguire has undoubtedly improved our defence he clearly lacks mobility and pace. If left isolated he can be horribly exposed. Playing a high line will always be a risky tactic and Lindelof perhaps lacks the raw pace to adequately cover. Maybe Bailly would have got across quicker and been able to block the shot or make a tackle?! De Gea's form continues to plummet and with Henderson enjoying a great season at Sheffield Utd some tough decisions may have to be made sooner rather than later.

In midfield Fred and Mctominay were typically energetic and industrious but lack the flair and creativity to break down stubborn defences!

James struggles without space to exploit whilst Martial and Rashford were on the periphery of the game.

I think Ole probably waited too long to introduce Pogba and Greenwood and both should have come on at HT in my opinion. From an attacking perspective the difference Pogba made when he came on was immeasurable.

I suppose it was always going to be a tricky opening fixture and whilst I'm happy we got the equaliser I can't help feeling a touch disappointed.

If we want to improve we must find a way of breaking down stubborn defences whilst remaining secure at the back. If we are going to play a high line I think we need a defensive partner for Maguire with pace and acceleration.


3.) 20 Jun 2020 08:46:12
Think that United’s performance captures where we are in the rebuild perfectly.

Prior to Fernandes arriving, we would have struggled to create any chances against a hard working and well coached Spurs side (they looked knackered at the end! )

Also shows our need for better quality players if we’re going to challenge at the highest level (ie more players of Bruno and Pogba quality) Perhaps Grealish? Not sure. Definitely Saul.

Also highlighted the right wing problem again. James was anonymous and completely lost against well drilled defence. Sancho be ideal but recent media reports (and what Ed002 has been saying about him wanting elsewhere and his agent who ants to make lots of money out of him) have left a sour taste so maybe Chiesa fits the bill now.

Defence: Maguire turned slower than an oil tanker. Needs a whippet next to him, maybe Bailly of Axel.

De Gea hopefully rusty but bring in Romero for a few games to keep him on his toes. Henderson number 1 after another season on loan.

However, we are slowly building and, with a few decent QUALITY signings, we can maybe start challenging next year. That’s what Liverpool did: have mad a decent team that made the top 4 then purchased on signing real quality to get the brilliant team they have now.

Thought draw a fair result. Looks like United could step up a gear while Spurs at the top of their game given players they have.


4.) 20 Jun 2020 10:53:04
Why do we need a quick centre back to partner Maguire, if you're not blaming Lindelof for the goal?

Are we expecting Maguire to constantly get caught out positionally or turned inside out (literally) by average wingers?

That was one of the worst pieces of defending I've seen from a centre back at this level.


5.) 20 Jun 2020 10:54:06
Or we needed a quick CB next to Lindelof but instead bought Maguire who has plenty of quality but, as many pointed out, doesn't have the pace to play a high line necessary for attacking football.


6.) 20 Jun 2020 13:51:14
Sepp Blogger - Probably because all things considered Maguire has more strengths than weaknesses. He won't get caught out every week but it's hard to compensate for a lack of pace if you want to play a high line.

I like Maguire, he defends the box brilliantly, he's strong, dominate in the air and composed on the ball. He has an obvious weakness in that he lacks pace and mobility. He can be vulnerable when exposed 1v1 especially when there is a lot of space in behind.

Football is a team game, it's about finding balance, blending players together that compliment each other thus making the team stronger.

In my opinion Lindelof is an average CB. He's not particularly quick, he's poor in the air, he lacks physicality and he is often out muscled and out manoeuvred. I don't think he's particularly good at reading the game and he can often be found wanting positionally. He's supposed to be good on the ball but I'm not convinced he excels in that department either.

I think Maguire's weaknesses can be compensated more readily than Lindelof's. I think Maguire needs a partner with pace, acceleration and anticipation in order to cover on occasions Maguire may be left exposed. I also think the goalkeeper can help by having a higher starting position and being prepared to come out and cut the space left in behind.

I agree Maguire's defending was woeful. He got caught square and flat footed and it's definitely something he needs to work on.

Without wanting to make excuses I'm not sure the drinks breaks helped. I totally understand why they were introduced but I think we struggled to find our rhythm and concentration again for 5-10 minutes after each stoppage. Their goal came shortly after the stoppage on the first goals and think it helped Spurs regroup and reorganise whilst talking the momentum out of our game.


 

 

09 Jun 2020 16:48:34
Something away from transfers. I really do think Old Trafford as iconic as it is just is not up to standard for a club of our size. I am not referring to just adding more seats but the whole stadium including the changing rooms and general structure seem outdated.

I look across at some of the NFL's stadiums that have been built or are being built I can't help but feel we are lagging behind in that department. I'm sure traditionalists will not have any of it but I was curious to see if money was not an issue would people be opposed to building a new old trafford. There will be people saying it's not feasible etc but it's a hypothetical question. I think the commercial benefits sponsorships hospitality etc can increase our appeal further. What do others think?

mnk397

1.) 09 Jun 2020 17:20:53
Well it’s still the biggest stadium in the premier league. Personally I would find it hard to move from Old Trafford to somewhere new.

In all honesty I think the stadium needs maintenance and some improvements. If we could expand that would be great, but I’m not sure we need to move. Arsenal don’t seem to have done to well moving from Highbury to the emirates.


2.) 09 Jun 2020 17:36:17
I can't remember who said it but "to be a king you need to live like a king".

We can't act like a big club while living in a crumbling house. It's just pretending.

Our home needs to be our castle, it should be as grand as it is iconic.

All that said though I think there is a middle ground. We don't have to choose between living in a wreck or building a new stadium.

A new stadium would cost at least 500m, if not more. Or around half of what we have spent on transfers in the past 7 years.

Whereas for 250m or half what a new stadium would cost or around as much as we have spent in 18 months. We could completely revamp Old Trafford. Put on a new roof, install big screens, expand seating capacity, knock down walls and create better spaces, redecorate the whole stadium from top to bottom.

That way we would keep our iconic home AND be in a stadium fit for a top side.


3.) 09 Jun 2020 18:02:10
I think you are kidding yourself when you think old trafford doesn't need a COMPLETE overhaul. In terms of cost a roof alone would cost 200m+ seeing as the roof at Wimbledon which is much much smaller than what we would have cost around 100m. 500m unfortunately shappy if that's the budget we may aswell not bother the cost of the some of these new stadiums they have in the nfl are well over a billion and they are not Manchester united.
The point of the discussion was not cost but opinion on the state of old Trafford and can people move away from sentiment.


4.) 09 Jun 2020 18:41:10
Some of the NFL stadiums are amazing and OT is always going to come a poor second, the cowboys stadium is amazing but its cost 1.2 billion .


5.) 09 Jun 2020 19:19:57
Love the cowboys stadium our stadium doesn't compare. Is it just me (and I'm biased) but should we not expect utd to be not only the biggest club in football but the biggest sports club in the world? I don't see why the cowboys or MetLife stadium in New York or the new allegiant stadium in Vegas should be bigger and better than old Trafford.


6.) 09 Jun 2020 19:34:21
Nothing up with Old Trafford.


7.) 09 Jun 2020 20:06:25
Was the cowboys stadium not privately funded? i'm not sure they own it .
We have an 80000 seater stadium, i'm not sure I could justify spending the money it would cost to build a new stadium when we have OT .


8.) 09 Jun 2020 21:47:39
A lot of the stadiums in the NFL are funded by the city at least in part. Teams have moved cities because the new city is prepared to stump up the cost of the new stadium.

I think it would be a hell of a job updating Old Trafford to a state of the art, it is probably easier just to build a new one. Not that I am advocating moving, just expressing my thoughts on how difficult it would be.


9.) 09 Jun 2020 21:59:12
For the cowboys it was a combination of the city an nfl loan and the owner himself funding the stadium.


10.) 09 Jun 2020 22:03:46
Oh and I meant to add CenturyLink Field where the Seahawks play would be my choice as my favourite. Set the record for loudest stadium, has a bunch of stuff there which channels the sound onto the field, by all accounts communication is impossible on the field at least when the Seahawks D is up. I wonder if there are any rules against replicating some of it in the EPL.


11.) 10 Jun 2020 01:18:40
Its definitely a different stadium with the open stand and views in behind.


12.) 10 Jun 2020 01:37:21
Given the railway line behind the south stand, I imagine the cost involved with expanding the south stand and the corners either side would be huge, but I feel like the stadium won’t ever look complete with that development. But Old Trafford has been United’s home for over a hundred, so whilst it would be a shame to move, it has served the club incredibly well, and a club that claims to be the biggest in the world needs to be playing at a stadium that can claim to be the best.

A question for anyone who might know more on the subject, would Old Trafford be demolished if the club were to build a new stadium, even if the club were to build the new stadium at another location? It would be a shame to demolish a ground that has been the iconic home of our club for so long, but equally, in the event it is replaced, it surely would not be financially viable to just keep it sitting there gathering dust?


13.) 10 Jun 2020 02:45:18
@mnk397 if a new stadium is to be built, do you believe that the league and city will be open to provide the necessary funding like it's done in the NFL.


14.) 10 Jun 2020 08:30:09
I don't think so if I'm honest imagine the backlash if the league gave utd a loan when there's clubs going out of business further down. Maybe someone can correct me but I don't think towns and cities ever get involved in England in the same way for things like this.

Billionaire owners and sponsorships is probably the only option. I would predict the cost around the stadium coupled with the debt and the Glazers high price is probably why we don't hear of more attempts to buy utd.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City and West Ham?}


15.) 10 Jun 2020 08:31:51
With C.V. I can't see the ground being updated properly anytime soon.


16.) 10 Jun 2020 09:47:45
I don't understand the need to update/ change Old Trafford.

I can get there by tram or by walking. When I arrive I sit down and I can see the pitch. I can get a drink/ pie at half time and then I travel home by tram or foot.

What else do I or anyone else need from a stadium?


17.) 10 Jun 2020 11:26:56
Ed were both them stadiums not built for other purposes which obviously suited the two cities. We are talking about a purpose built stadium that sits amongst if not not at the top of the best stadiums in the world. don't think manchester city council have a spare billion+.

Manc man it's about standards and expectations everything you said a league 2 team can provide as well. I do not see why people are willing to settle for less. We should be going out and getting the best dof, the best manager, the best players setting up the best scouting network building best stadium.
Instead fans are willing to compromise we gave ole the job because he got some good result and his goal in 99, we fail to put top footballing people in footballing decisions we keeping settling for mediocrity.

{Ed002's Note - Yes of course, but gifted to the clubs. Many of the NFL stadiums are shared.}


18.) 10 Jun 2020 11:52:40
I don't follow nfl religiously but google tells me there are 32 teams where only 2 stadiums are shared!
Where there is a will there is a way.

{Ed002's Note - They are shared with other sports. For example the Santa Clara stadium is being rented by the 49Ers right now but they host numerous other sports there. The Seattle SeaHawks share the stadium with the Sounders. The Cardinals stadium has short track racing events. The Cowboys stadium hots basketball, soccer and numerous other events there. Soldier Field hosts the Bears and Chicago Fire. These are all multi-purpose stadiums - I am sorry Google faild you. Hopeless.}


19.) 10 Jun 2020 12:02:03
mnk397, firstly Wimbledon roof cost so much because it opens and closes. I'd just like a roof that doesn't leak. That won't cost anywhere near as much as the Wimbledon roof.

Secondly, the reality is that there isn't going to be the same level of or even any help from the league or the City of Manchester.

Building a new stadium will either mean knocking down Old Trafford to rebuild on the site or selling Old Trafford to be knocked down and redeveloped. Either way the old stadium will be reduced to rubble, along with all the history.

Wembley cost 790m and Spurs new stadium cost around 850m, but both of them would be more expensive due to the premium paid for land and development in London. So we could build a new stadium for between 500-700m in Manchester, or most likely just outside of Manchester.

Yet the question would be why? It would be easier to build a bigger stadium but how much bigger do we need it? Old Trafford is already the biggest club ground in the country. It's not like we would make a significant jump in size to make the investment worthwhile.

I feel the best way forward and the only likely way is to improve what we have. With 200-300m of investment the club could expand Old Trafford, regenerate the stadium, and create something as good or better than the other clubs in England while maintaining the close connection to our history.


20.) 10 Jun 2020 12:22:30
Ed having a purpose built stadium is not the same as sharing a stadium the cowboys don't share their stadium just because its purpose built. Because you make a point you think it's ok to call someone else hopeless glad you make this an inclusive place ed.

Shappy I'm not one for sentiment or history I just want the best so I am not bothered if it's the grass or mud that best and Charlton used to play on if knocking it down is the way forward then so be it. there's that attitude again you being happy with just fixing a leak!

{Ed002's Note - The cities make money out of the stadiums through having multiple events helf there. There are only 8 DC games held in the NFL each year plus maybe a preseason game or two. There are a huge number of other events held there. You don't seem to be grasping this.}


21.) 10 Jun 2020 12:56:15
A closing roof isn’t really an issue for me, the only stadium with a closed roof that I like would be the millennium stadium. Plus with the quality of the pitches these days it’s very rare that some rain would ever make them unplayable.


22.) 10 Jun 2020 13:07:33
What makes Man Utd a big club? Our history and our fanbase. Its certainly not our recent performances on the pitch.

Move away to some soulless green-belt plastic stadium and you break that history and disillusion many of the match-going fans. People want to play where Giggs, Scholes, Cantona, Cristiano, Best, Law, Beckham etc. played. Would worry we would lose a lot of our attraction.


23.) 10 Jun 2020 13:36:07
Time moves on the fans will make a new stadium great not the players who used to play there.

I completely get that Ed's these stadiums are used for multiple purposes which is part of the reason the cities are willing to help fund the stadium which is why I doubt we would ever get any help.

{Ed002's Note - In some cases the cities own the stadiums.}


24.) 10 Jun 2020 13:28:59
I’d understood United had been buying up land around OT with the obvious exception of the slither where Hotel Football stands. The railway behind South Stand has long been the blocker about expanding the stadium though I believe it can now be cantilevered over.

There’ll be a limitation on the height of the South Stand though as too high will restrict sunlight. So ideally the railway wouldn’t be there and you could build a larger stand at a lesser angle / smaller overall height.

So expansion of South Stand is possible but it may be the railway issue ultimately makes the cost v extra capacity not add up. Which goes back to United owning the majority of land around OT. If money were no object I think we demolish OT and build a brand new stadium elsewhere within the wider OT footprint.

That’s a minimum of £800m though if not significantly higher.

The only way we’d see a completely new ground is with new ownership.

Even if a new roof / refurb of some of the ground is an option at £200-250m I just don’t see that stacking up financially for the Glazers. And if it became a must I’m afraid that just halts player purchases for 2 years or so.


25.) 10 Jun 2020 14:59:37
So72, it seems Haaland and Bellingham would rather play on the same hallowed turf that Paul Lambert played on. The idea that we would lose our soul if we left Old Trafford isn't a good argument for me.

Our name is always in the mix when fans talk about the "biggest club in the world". Look at what Madrid are doing with their new stadium. They're not sitting around teary eyed thinking of their countless trophies they've won their in the past. They're building an infrastructure that will help them win countless more trophies in the future.

The ground is a symbol of exactly what is wrong with the club. From far away it is hugely impressive. Incredible history. But on closer inspection it is in need of more than a lick of paint. The cracks are visibly showing and like the club itself, it needs A rebuild. A stadium that was once a fortress, state of art and mirrored the players that played on it as being the best! Now like the team that plays week in week out, it's being left behind by our rivals.

Though we could talk for days about our favourite games, goals, memories. The football world is moving on. Huge clubs have moved stadium and made it their home.

Old Trafford right now isn't even fit to host European finals. Let that sink in. Ed002 menti0oned a couple of years ago that a visit to Carrington, the complex was decked out in cheap furnishings from Ikea. Our owners have no interest in putting money into parts of the club that won't improve the value. Unfortunately I see Old Trafford staying the way it is until new owners come in.


26.) 10 Jun 2020 18:58:37
Sorry Mumbles, but Dortmund's stadium means the world to their fans and their club's identity so not really sure that's a good example.

Plus - Dortmund have a recent track record of improving young players and being a stepping stone. What do we have a recent track record of?


27.) 10 Jun 2020 20:00:17
Not fit to host finals? What a load of absolute nonsense, it is iconic, like, Celtic Park, Villa Park, Anfield, these type of historical grounds.


28.) 10 Jun 2020 20:17:37
So people are never happy.


29.) 10 Jun 2020 20:42:59
I started going to Old Trafford about 1971 and seen it develop over the years, so actually have some perspective. It isn’t the grainy, tough place it was, yet the Stretford End had character. The previous continuous development seemed to stop after the Glazers arrived.

Crowded bars, rip off bar prices, lack of imagination on how to get people in early, entertainment hardly changed, the big screens mean we are one of only two clubs who can’t show VAR. have a walk around the ground it is becoming dated. Do the ground tour it gives more perspective as well. Inside the rain has leaked through that roof many times for years, not just in those pictures about a year ago. The fact is the ground hasn’t moved forward for 15 years since the quadrant was completed with the Plc money.
It needs real investment, it needs owners who want it to be the jewel in their crown. It doesn’t need a new stadium somewhere else, there is plenty of land, plenty of opportunity, the history is there. All our rivals have developed their stadiums or built new ones, we have the debt without the stadium to go with it.


 

 

12 Apr 2019 11:43:31
I know not every one will agree and that's fair enough but i really think sometimes Pogba gets judged unfairly on here when other players in the squad are allowed to get away with so much more. Against Barcelona Ole played a negative set up with Dalot playing out of position and substitutions that didn't work. Young who was utterly useless Rashford and Lukaku who did nothing all game with horrible movement through out the game yet people are still find time to criticize Pogba. Fred and Mctominay were there to defend and they did it efficiently but that means the whole attack is reliant on one player in Pogba and with Rashford and Lukaku ahead of him making no runs creating no space yet the blame for a lot of people is always at Pogbas feet. People love Rashford so don't criticize him but he has been poor since the liverpool game for me. also the manager is getting away with playing players out of position and essentially parking it at home. I am a Ole supporter but i am a Utd fan first i think a lot of people let the romance of Ole or the love for Rashford or in some cases the hate for pogba blind their judgement.

mnk397

1.) 12 Apr 2019 12:16:09
It wasn’t just Wednesday though was it, Pogba turns up when he wants to and not often enough. If you look at him since he arrived he has been average. He had a great spell post Ole appointment but has drifted off again. Add to that his apparent desire to leave I’m going to judge him how I want. Right now, over priced, over rated, and not committed to the cause.

I love Rashford but am happy to criticise him, he’s been off the pace since he was injured and made a lot of wrong decisions on Wednesday. However, he’s still a kid, not a £90M marketing machine who is supposedly one of the best players in the world, a player who has rarely ever taken hold of a game.

As for Ole, how did he park the bus? We played a high press up the field and created far more chances than Barca, we just couldn’t get any of them on target. Parking the bus is having everyone behind the ball looking to sneak a goal and that’s not what happened.


2.) 12 Apr 2019 12:23:21
Yeah I agree Pogba does get held to a standard that's disproportionate to others. I think the reason he gets it on here is the eds have told us he wants out. It was the same with Martial last summer.


3.) 12 Apr 2019 12:36:53
Pogba is a very strange player, he is a conundrum of a footballer who contradicts his own ability at times. He looks like someone who if you surrounded him with the greatest players on the planet he can stand out and look even better than those players at times, but at the same time, in this squad where he is far and away the most talented player he can look like the worst player on the pitch.

He has so much ability to decide a game on his own but is a luxury player who despite his incredible technical and physical ability (pretty much everything you'd want in a player that can win a game on his own) he very rarely decides a game on his own.

Yes he is not surrounded by the best United squad of all time but throughout Europe there are players with half of Pogba's talent who produce twice as often as he does.

Not all of this is his fault and I agree he gets more than his fair share of stick as plenty of other players have not lived up to expectations over the past few years and we haven't always had a particularly fluid style of play in his time here which has hindered him somewhat. Mainly though, I think the stick he gets is a symptom disappointment as Pogba seems to play to the level of the team he is in rather than be the reason that the team he is in is that bit better with his presence. If he goes to Real Madrid, Barcelona or Juve and is surrounded by stars dominating games he will look incredible and people will think we have made a mistake in selling him but I doubt he will ever look brilliant consistently in a squad where he is the best player, he needs others around him of a similar or even higher level to be at his best.


4.) 12 Apr 2019 12:40:06
AJH we played both fred mctominay who are predominantly defensive along with a rb at rw and a rw and rb and you think because we pressed its not a defensive set up? We were clearly more concerned with not losing rather than going and winning.

Pogba has more assists and and goals combined then the everyone else in our team so if he's the one that we should get rid of what about the rest! Also it is not Pogbas fault we overpaid for him we also over paid for Martial and Lukaku but no you choose to dig out Pogba as do others.

Look at the dross around him and his own so called fans against him digging him out at every opportunity i don't blame him if he wants to go and win something because our board consistently acts gives no indication that he's playing for one of the biggest clubs in world looking to get to the next level.


5.) 12 Apr 2019 13:55:40
Mnk397,

We largely for the majority of the game nullified Barcelona. That was part of OGS tactics.
We stopped Barcelona playing their tikka taka football.

Ask yourself this, how many teams have managed to do that.

Is Shaw had marked Suarez at the far post, chances are that goal wouldn't have happened.

Rashford has just come back from being injured, Youngs crossing was again diabolical.

McTominay and Fred worked very hard. Mctominay played like a Utd Captain. He led my example on the pitch. His post match interview showed how passionate he is.

The final third, we weren't great, but we played well, stopped Barcelona. Messi was rather anonymous for the majority of the game.

Look for all the negatives but remember that. This is a team with a new manager and tactics. A team that isn't used to doing a lot of running.

Next season, hopefully we some quality additions, we will see are far more entertaining Utd side.

I remember Fergies final 2 seasons I charge. The football played then wasnt great either.

We beat PSG against all the odds, have we over achieved or were PSG far too arrogant?

Get behind the team.


6.) 12 Apr 2019 14:18:47
Pogba was bought in as a top player, top transfer fee, on top wages, one of the world's highest fees. But he doesn't show it on the field, he should be bossing the midfield but he doesn't.


7.) 12 Apr 2019 15:02:21
Scott was MOTM, he did all the dirty work so PP didn't have to, and referring to our players as dross, classy.


8.) 12 Apr 2019 16:29:19
I just think maybe pogba isn't as good as we would hope/ thought.

There are countless players who on their day are unplayable, world class, but it's the solid 7 out of 10 Dennis Irwin types I admire.

I have no agenda against pogba, he sometimes engages in things that are away from my generation thus causing him to wrankle me but that's it.

If he stayed for the next 8 years, brilliant.

If he left tomorrow, meh .


9.) 12 Apr 2019 16:53:45
Deano. Its a pretty damming indictment that you don't care if he stays or goes.
I feel the same but herrera mata jones young martial i have no affinity with any of them. Never up in arms if there out of the team and never excited when they are.


10.) 12 Apr 2019 17:13:06
I feel like Pogba struggles or doesn't care for the basics eg tracking runners, marking space/ passing lanes, playing the simple ball. Which can be fine if you win games on your own on a regular basis.

I also think as an athletic flamboyant black man he is judged to a different standard than if he was a white Brazilian. I don't mean to kick off a race discussion here but I think their is a bit of unconscious bias here (myself included)

All in all I will support him as long as he is in a Utd shirt but I would love to see him do the basics at an elite level like the very best do and still have the moments of genius.


11.) 12 Apr 2019 17:51:41
mnk397, what do you expect Ole to do? We had a couple of players returning back from injuries and a couple of inexperienced lads to choose from to play against Barca.

"We were clearly more concerned with not losing rather than going and winning. " - I have never seen any team pressing high up the pitch in a defensive setup and going as deep as into the opposition half, so that they don't lose the game - that's so weird.

With regards to Pogba, he has all the talent in the world and yet so wasted with his lack of desire/ application on the pitch. In his years at the club, except for a few matches he has never really stood out - yes, you can blame the management, the manager, the fans and the players around him, but if you want to be regarded the best in the world, you need to showcase your talents/ skills on the pitch consistently and standout from the crowd. Look at players like Ronaldo, Messi, DeGea - they are World class because they have the ability to win games on their own and they do it consistently - even if the team is not playing well.


12.) 13 Apr 2019 00:36:32
I am actually a fan of Pogba because of his incredible talent, big personality, and ability to win a game. But he deserves the criticism he gets because his effort is so inconsistent. He has the personality of a leader (in a social sense) but not the character of a leader, since he does not drive the team forward by his example or lead the effort defensively.

Our love for Rashford is the combination of how exciting he is as a player along with his excellent attitude. How always gives 100%. And even when he does not play his best, like the Barcelona game, he still made a lot happen and impacted the game, unlike Lukaku, who was either invisible or killed the attack the second he got on the ball.


13.) 13 Apr 2019 01:58:18
Would anyone says pogba good player could be great but the way he conducts himself and acts will never reach them heights similar to Balotelli who could of been a great player himself but maybe put his image first all joking about and stuff a no times changed but if all the old players like keane and Giggs and all them was in these days I think personally they would be the same just on what sort of characters they was.


14.) 13 Apr 2019 10:19:13
Maybe you're right Ken, I just don't buy he is good as a lot think .

Flashes of unrivalled brilliance, followed by bored indifference.

I've seen much, much better players than mr pogba leave and have gotten over it.

As ed02 always says "footballers are transient employees" and I am behind that 100% .


15.) 13 Apr 2019 12:04:04
Bang on Deano. I never get the hero worship the command.
Players come and go. There are only a handful of united players over the last 45 years I've been watching that i would bother to cross the road to shake their hand if they were walking along alone.
They are just blokes like you and me lucky enough to have what i would consider to be the best job in the world. i'd say over 90% of then couldn't give a toss Abbott the likes of you or me.
They will kids 1 badge 1 min and another the next.
Nothing wrong with that by the way its a job to them that's all.
While they play for us i want them all to do well but i know as soon as one goes ill be cheering the next guy.


 

 

 

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23 Apr 2020 18:29:08
So he has the best stats every season overall since he's been at the club excluding this season which he hasn't played much. But he's the one you would want to get out of the club.

He makes the pfa team wins the Europa league player of the tournament and scores in the final but he's the one you would rather get rid of.

It's my opinion but I see him signing a new contract at Utd.

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12 Mar 2020 14:48:47
I have not seen him play how do people rate him? what kind of player is he?

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29 Jul 2019 00:44:23
Ed004 I think people hate on Pogba easily and unfairly whilst the players and the manager have nothing but good things to say about him. Even if people don't see it the manager and players know what he means to the team and his importance to the team. Personally I really hope he stays and because of him other players actually have less pressure on them because the fans the media everybody just wants to focus on Pogba so Bruno or Dybala or who ever it is can only prosper for having Pogba here.

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27 Jul 2019 00:03:18
If we did the Dybala swap would that mean no bruno or David unless Pogba leaves?

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{Ed004's Note - I would hope that Dybala is Lukakus replacement and Bruno is still Herreras upgrade}


 

 

 

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01 Jul 2020 17:57:12
Any number is all about the people who wore it before them Scholes and bruno giving the number 18 it's own legacy.

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26 Jun 2020 21:43:12
I would rather speak to their fitness coaches and physios. They play the same team as much as possible.

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26 Jun 2020 21:41:56
If we have the luck with injuries that liverpool have had to our first team then I don't think we are that far off. 2 signings A right winger and cb are a must for me if I had the choice I would have a different lb too as I don't see how we can do it with neither of our full backs being attack minded and if AWB is that good defensively then shaw has to be upgraded.

The rest of our squad after the first team is not that good imo and the majority wouldn't have even made the bench of some our title winning teams.

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26 Jun 2020 21:34:30
Course it's a poor league we can make top 4 with our lowest points total since the prem began because not only have we not been good the teams around are just as bad.

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23 Jun 2020 19:00:12
Keane not a patch on Carrick as a technical player but having bruno and pogba already there I would pick keane to win battles and give it to the players who make things happen like he used to do with Scholes.

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