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08 Mar 2016 12:10:40
Talks again of Zlatan on a free in the summer. any eds have info about this. Would people take him or would they prefer Martial and Rashford to get a chance to develope more . I personally think he could be great for the youngsters!
1.) 28 Feb 2016 14:56:35
Link/ source?
2.) 28 Feb 2016 11:39:38
I honestly think the manager has a lot to do with the restructuring off the academy system. Maybe that is one of the reasons why he is still in a job?
3.) 29 Feb 2016 10:09:45
Tutor
Not the case. we are seeing a glimpse of our younger players because we are ravaged by injuries and have a small squad. I think people are reading too much into this because we have been pleasantly surprised by the younger guys being able to do a job.
4.) 29 Feb 2016 10:33:29
X-Flies, Tuor didn't say LVG is responsible for playing the kids, he said he might be responsible for the restructuring of the academy.
5.) 29 Feb 2016 10:36:43
so fans blame van gaal for having a small squad when we sustain injuries, but will not give him any credit that he plays youngsters when injuries are sustained by first team players because he has a small squad.
6.) 29 Feb 2016 13:06:37
Why should he get credit when it was because of his lack of new players in both transfer windows, particularly up front, that meant he was forced to play youngsters to bail his useless backside out of trouble?
LVG out still!
7.) 29 Feb 2016 14:36:50
This comes from Duncan Castles, former mirror (I think) now Sunday times reporter. I've never really liked him much he doesn't seem to like our club and always reports negatively about us.
8.) 08 Mar 2016 12:53:26
I personally think the only reason we are seeing the youngsters is because of injuries. no matter who the manager was with a squad so thin they would have had to pick the youngster. he let players go who certainly could have done a job for the team ie chicarito, Evans.
9.) 08 Mar 2016 16:14:19
We could have been slightly better with maybe hernandez or evans or rafael still here.
But it's the slow-boring football that lacks passion that's hurting us.
It's been like that most of his tenure, negative and cautionary approaches to games.
LVG is not the LVG we hoped for, there has been no change in the football as promised by him that players need 3-4 months to adapt to his ways, it's gotten worse.
At the moment, I don't think there's a better manager available than Jose. We would be stupid not to sign him.
10.) 08 Mar 2016 16:22:57
Zlatan would be a magnificent signing! he's huge, and scores goals for fun! 23 in 22 games this season! His presence would be an enormous lift for the whole team! A truely world class monster! Imagine how our young players could learn from him over 1/ 2 seasons!
11.) 08 Mar 2016 16:26:01
Maybe the small size of the squad is deliberate, making the use of young players a (semi) planned event.
12.) 08 Mar 2016 21:29:55
It showed last game what LVG thinks of younger players. as soon as Rojo and Darmian were for they were back in. Even though I thought Varela and Borth were doing well. They're energy and exuberance was infectious. much as RAshford is up too. I aid bet any money that Rooney would be straight in when available no matter how many RAshford may score. The young lads play with no fear but I feel LVG interprets that as reckless and fathers men who will follow his strict instructions.
13.) 10 Mar 2016 17:45:37
stevetrom, I don't think LVG is capable of such long term planning. He can't see past his philosophy.
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21 Feb 2016 21:46:20
According to RedIssue Fergie-Charlton-Gill still have a big influence at the club and they are in the pro-Giggs camp. With Woodward not being much of a footballing man would he's decision making be influenced by Fergie and Charlton. Having made the mistake of giving Moyes the job on Fergies recommendation I hope not. Giving Giggs the job would set us back another 4 or 5 years.1st time poster interested to hear people's thoughts?
1.) 21 Feb 2016 22:55:30
Would be huge mistake and I'll be gutted if giggs is appointed.
2.) 22 Feb 2016 02:16:34
If you look at the one thing that ties Moyes and LVG together, it's the fact both of them had/ have R Giggs sitting next to them on the bench and in the training and back rooms. If Ryan can prove his mettle elsewhere, where he's in the firing line ( pun intended) and succeeds. He could be Utd manager. till then, his managerial inexperience and poor track record and obvious non or negative influence is questionable at the very least. He should go and prove himself elsewhere a la Neville.
3.) 22 Feb 2016 04:57:52
Didn't Fergie want Mourinho to take over the reigns after him. I remember I read that somewhere. Moyes was never the first choice. So why would Fergie now not want Jose at OT. As per my understanding its only old Charlton who stands in the way. And if that is true, then I am sorry but Sir Charlton, thanks for everything you have given but now is the time to hand over the reigns. I can't for the life of me understanding why Jose isn't everyone's first choice to take over.
4.) 22 Feb 2016 07:12:38
I believe it would be a huge mistake appointing Giggs and have said this a few times on here. I cannot believe it would be a logical choice and would only be the romantic notion that a legend of a player could hack being manager without any experience. It's utter madness to even consider it.
5.) 22 Feb 2016 08:15:25
I don't buy into this Fergie and Mourinho being all buddy buddy. Fergie hated losing and he lost to Mourinho more than anyone in his last few years. So maybe Fergie saw it as some little victory to opt for Moyes over Mourinho.
{Ed001's Note - you might not buy into it but they are very friendly.}
6.) 22 Feb 2016 08:25:47
Giggs has done nothing whatsoever to merit the job except to be the assistant to 2 managers who have failed to preserve our predominance. Has he had any positive affect on either of them, or the team? Can anybody point to anything? The least he could have done is imbued some of the players with the passion his generation brought to their game. Is there any evidence of that?
If these rumours of the Gill/ SAF/ Charlton influence are to be believed, what we have now is a conflict between past icons and a board of football know nothings. Neither institution is capable of responding to the modern realities. The past cannot be bought back. Giggs should never have been foisted on either Moyes or LVG in the first place, never mind now be appointed manager solely on the basis of nostalgia.
7.) 22 Feb 2016 09:38:01
Jose and SAF have massive respect and admiration for one an other. I'd like to think that Bobby would have very little say in who is appointed, Fergie must know the slide we're on and who is best for what, I think he saw a fellow scot from familiar upbringing in Moyes and wanted that longevity to continue with Giggs stepping in 5 years later perhaps but we've stood still for or gone backwards for 3 years so Giggs is still on day one for me, they need a man who has the ego and charisma to match the club and it's predecessor to get back on track now, we're not in a position now to have the luxury of a seamless hand over to Giggs.
8.) 22 Feb 2016 09:47:57
I feel very strongly about this and agree with everything shawthing said. We are in a crisis, which has become a major crossroads for the club and cannot believe they could even consider throwing a total novice into a role that someone with both Moyes and LVG's experience could not handle. It would be like opting out of the silverware race for anything for years, the romanticism of Giggs would also make it extremely difficult to sack him even if it went horribly wrong.
I seem to remember Busby wanted Wilf McGuiness and got his way so I think having had the Moyes debacle we need to look at this sort of influence. In fact the club need to look at how they make these decisions and who has influence going forward. We rightly revere SAF and Sir Bobby but SAF got Moyes wrong and Sir Bobby's managerial experience was hardly spectacular. I think it is time to let them represent the club as ambassadors but have no influence on the decisions. We appear rudderless at the moment, yet if it is Woodward as reported, who is saying no to Giggs then let's hope he gets his way. I like the idea of a sporting director to make such recommendations and a lessening of influence of the ambassadors.
The next permanent manager is vitally important to get right and it must not be Giggs.
9.) 22 Feb 2016 10:02:10
Well said Red Man, couldn't have put it better.
10.) 22 Feb 2016 10:28:32
Red Man,
I wouldn't go as far as to say we are in crisis, there are much bigger problems that other clubs face than the ones we have (5th best team in the country, still in Europe and the FA cup), I think we are just not meeting minimum expectations of fans this season, but I do agree with the rest of your post. The club needs to get the next appointment right and I think it needs to come with Woodward being moved away from any football related activities and replaced by a DoF.
11.) 22 Feb 2016 11:00:10
GDS
I think we are in crisis, we have had to sack one manager, the other is hanging on by a thread, we haven't been near winning anything and realistically if LVG is retained to the end of the season we won't this season either. We lack top class players, the dressing room doesn't appear to be behind the manager, we had one of the most embarrassing European defeats in our history last week, our directors, ambassadors, board are, it seems by all accounts, at odds with each other over the manager situation to the point there is no coherent singular message coming out of the club. Add to that the positive, if it can be called that, is that we are only fifth, out of the CL spots by a few points, when we don't look like putting a string of wins together, places which are occupied by two teams that should not be in front of us and missing CL football for two out of three years would hardly persuade players we will be getting back in it unless something changes.
It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and it looks like a crisis to me.
12.) 22 Feb 2016 11:14:18
Everyone bangs on about fergie choosing moyes as the manager but none of you ever take into account why he went for him I very much doubt he was 1st choice on the list but more likely the best on offer from the people prepared to take the job.
13.) 22 Feb 2016 12:06:13
gds
i think we are in crisis pal we have some hard games coming up and i can see us dropping down the league.
14.) 21 Feb 2016 23:47:10
It also said that the glazers were looking at the option of a new CEO. any of the eds know of any plans of the glazers to bring in someone new?
{Ed004's Note - Nope}
15.) 22 Feb 2016 13:23:50
I guess it depends on your definition of crisis lads, I can see where you are coming from but for me I think United fans are just so used to success that coming 2nd could be seen as a crisis. The next decision is majorly important, get it wrong and then I think we could have a crisis on our hands, for me a few years not winning anything isn't the end of the world as long as we get back up there soon, for others they want instant success, that will always be how it is.
jred,
The exact same posts came out this time last season and we went on our best run under LVG, I don't see that happening this season, but you can't say 'we are in crisis because A B and C might happen', it is where we are now.
16.) 22 Feb 2016 13:49:34
Red79,
You would have to go through a long list to get to the stage where Moyes was the best available .
17.) 22 Feb 2016 14:02:27
gds
we looked a better team than this last season .
i try to judge on what i see not what happened last season.
after watching united over the past month looking at our injuries, form confidence and issues around the manager i think we are in crisis .
arsenal, watford, palace, city, everton and spurs are our next 6 league games . plus fa cup and EL, with a thin squad
5th in the league may not be a crisis for some teams or on face value seem that bad but when you look at the bigger picture i think a team like united in this situation is a crisis .
i think it might get worse before it gets better.
18.) 22 Feb 2016 14:23:44
GDS
For me "getting it wrong" would be putting Giggs in charge permanently, I have had one head in my hands moment when they appointed Moyes, I do not want another.
Just taking up your point about being ok if we didn't win anything for years isn't the end of the world as long as we get back up there soon and your instant success comment.
Are we really ok to accept not challenging, a club our size? Once you accept not challenging it sets a lesser target. Do Real or Barcelona or Bayern or PSG even Chelsea accept not being up there? We can't win every year and it isn't "instant" success to expect the biggest club in the country to challenge at the top. Another of the top clubs did that in 1990 and look what happened to Liverpool. 3rd at Madrid is a crisis but 5th is ok for us, well it shouldn't be!
19.) 22 Feb 2016 17:26:55
Red Man,
Of course it's not ok to accept it, I am 100% with you on not employing Giggs, for me it has to be Mourinho for many many reasons, but I don't think it is the end of the world to not be great for a few years as long as we see signs that we are moving in the right direction. This year we have not seen that so we need to clear deck and hopefully we will see that next season.
jred,
I tend to agree, under LVG I think we could finish 7th, and I wouldn't mind to be honest if we don't get Europe next season and start again. I don't think them next 6 fixtures are correct, the palace game has been postponed and we have West Brom in there which you missed out, but yes, very tough run and think it will get worse before it gets better, but I do see it getting better.
20.) 22 Feb 2016 17:34:21
The day we accept 5th as OK and being knocked out of CL group that west ham or Southampton would have qualified from, is the day that I realise some of fans have lost the plot.
Biggest club in the world and we're setting such low targets. Are you for real?
14 Apr 2016 13:01:28
Why waste money on him when we have a similar player in Lingard. For me Ox has done nothing in 2 seasons and looks to be going backwards. Could end up like Walcott.
08 Mar 2016 12:53:26
I personally think the only reason we are seeing the youngsters is because of injuries. no matter who the manager was with a squad so thin they would have had to pick the youngster. he let players go who certainly could have done a job for the team ie chicarito, Evans.
21 Feb 2016 23:47:10
It also said that the glazers were looking at the option of a new CEO. any of the eds know of any plans of the glazers to bring in someone new?
{Ed004's Note - Nope}
22 Feb 2016 08:15:25
I don't buy into this Fergie and Mourinho being all buddy buddy. Fergie hated losing and he lost to Mourinho more than anyone in his last few years. So maybe Fergie saw it as some little victory to opt for Moyes over Mourinho.
{Ed001's Note - you might not buy into it but they are very friendly.}
20 Feb 2016 22:38:10
Long time reader 1st time poster. I think Jose should have been 1st choice to take over after fergie. he would have kept that fear factor and winning mentality at the club. A lot of people say he doesn't stay longer than 3 years at a club but I'd disagree I think given the right job he'd like to stay and create something special. he won everything at Porto and moved to a better league. done well at Chelsea before falling out with Abramovich but let's face it not many managers get on with him. won everything at Inter then left for Madrid because who can say no to Madrid. I think he sees United as the biggest job in the world and emulating fergie as his biggest challenge.