03 Dec 2020 14:27:40
As always there has been some over reaction to an unfortunate loss, understandable, but a lot of hyperbole.

I see the tactics have been blamed, yet I actually don't think there was a lot wrong with the tactics. We went up against a team that on paper is currently better than us. We went toe to toe with them and ended the match having only one less attempt on goal than them despite being reduced to 10 men for the last 20 minutes plus injury time.

In the previous games we went with 3 at the back and two defensive midfielders, this time we went with a back four and two holding midfielders. Clearly we had a more offensive intent in this game as opposed to the previous games. While when we went down to 10 men, Ole made attacking subs and we still created and pushed for an equaliser.

That said I think its clear in hindsight to say that Fred should have been subbed at half time. Yet to be fair Fred has been yellow carded 8 times in the first 45 minutes of games (15 overall) and this is the first and only time he has been sent off for us. At some point you have to trust your players not to be reckless when they are walking a red card tightrope. While I agree that Fred was extremely luck not to be sent off in the first half for his silly headbutt, the fact is he was wrongly sent off for a "foul" in the second half that wasn't even a foul. If you are going to book players for winning the ball but taking the player on the follow through then you will see games regularly finishing with only 8 or 9 players for each side. However, Fred was a key player in us becoming more dominant in the first 30 minutes of the second half, up until he got sent off.

Ultimately the blame for this loss rests on the players shoulders. The only mistake in hindsight that can fairly be levelled at the manager is to not take Fred off at half time. The goals we conceded were silly mistakes, no one tracking Neymar or Kean for that matter as Mbappe ran at goal for their first. No one taking control and clearing the ball adequately during the penalty box pin ball session which finished with Marquinhos poking home unmarked. While switching off for the sucker punch counter for the third.

All three goals were poor goals littered with multiple individual errors, poor reading of the situation and slow reaction to it unfolding.

While PSG might have managed 13 shots on goal that yielded 3 goals, we had 12 shots on goal that yielded 1 goal (and a lucky goal due to the deflection at that) .

The way we set up and the tactics we used allowed us to go toe to toe with a team that on paper is currently stronger than us. What cost us the game was poor individual defensive errors and poor finishing from our forwards, that is in spite of Fred getting himself sent off.

However, at the highest level it is these fine margins that separate the good players from the great, the great players don't make silly mistakes, the great players take those half chances and bury those guilt edge ones every time.

We lost a game last night, and it is the players who need to bear the brunt of the criticism for that.

1.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 14:32:42
Hahahah😂.

2.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 14:55:48
Come on Shappy, give it up. Even if Solksjaer didn't take him off at half time, it was building and we could all sense which way it was going. Why take the risk when their were other options? In fact why pick him in the first place instead of DvB?

Martial missed a sitter and he is out of form. Why pick him and not Greenwood?

Why choose Maguire and Lindelof and not play Tuanzebe?

Why are these stupid errors happening? Could it be the coaching by any chance?

I don't think that PSG team were better than Utds on paper. They have Moise Keane up front and he is useless.

3.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 14:59:25
The Fred sending off was nothing to with hindsight. Hindsight is after the event, most, if not all of us on livechat could see the problem, before let alone at half time, yet the manager couldn’t or refused to.

Interesting under Ole, for you, it is always the players fault, yet under he who must not be named, it was the manager.

Last night Ole got Fred wrong, didn’t start DvB, didn’t make substitutions until too late, didn’t deal with PSGs change in tactics, brought Pogba on when needing a goal. Obviously the players did all that.

Another, ahem, unfortunate loss, but it isn’t Ole’s fault, it never is.

4.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 15:17:12
Shan,

Grow up, not sure how stuff like that gets posted.

There is always an overreaction when we lose Shappy, thought we played well last night and should have won, Ole made a huge error which some are delighted with so they can be proved right, but on another day we put the 2 big chances away and leaving Fred on to control the midfield was the right decision. Top manager make the right decisions though, Ole often makes the wrong decisions within games and he is not learning, in my opinion that’s not good enough for Manchester United.

5.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 15:55:41
I also thought Utd played really well which made it such a shame that we threw the game away in such a stupid fashion.

6.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 16:15:43
It's not over reaction Shapps. It's sheer frustration about what could have been prevented.
Playing with 10 men killed our chance to dump PSG out of CL.

We have put ourselves under pressure now to get a result at Leipzig.
If we loose there, we are back to Europa.

Another important reason is, had we got a result against PSG, we could have afforded to rest key players against Leipzig before the Manchester Derby.

Anyways, our future in the competition is still in our hands.

7.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 16:25:01
I did say if we play anything like first half of our last premier league game we will lose.

Its Ole's fault for picking Maguire and Lindelof together when Tuanzebe had a great game last time around.

Its his fault to pick two highly defensive Mf in Fred and Scott instead of VDB who had a good game last time around.

With Martial missing chances that could happen to anyone but if he does miss chances like tht again then you know he's not upto it.

The manager has to take the blame especially not taking Fred out when you know he was playing like a lunatic yesterday.

Anyways nothing surprised me yesterday but I just wished Cavani was here 5 years ago because he is just CLASS.

On a side note when Bruno has a quite game we look like we will lose every game.

8.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 17:16:48
Who are you GDS? Are you in anyway important to me? Do you think i even listen to care about what you say? How many times have you been reprimanded by the Eds for exactly this type of nonsense you tell others what to and what not to do. Its best to mind your own business.

We were the better side until the sending off. Their second goal came against the run of play. It was Ole's idiotic decision to keep Fred on till he got sent off that killed our chances. Yet somehow Shappy suggests that everything was players fault. That to me was hilarious hence the reaction.

9.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 17:39:20
Missing those chances is players fault. You can't just blame Ole for everything. They were nonchalant while taking those chances and punishment had to come.
Its pretty funny actually, how people make an argument out of "who picked him". Do you say "who picked him/ them" when we win the game? When that player owns the game? Who picked Cavani? Was it Ole? If he picked Tuanzebe, and same thing happened, people would say "who picked Tuanzebe". i don't see a lot of fault in Maguire and Lindelof, as i didn't see their fault for the weekend game. We defended bad collectively, in the end it was Cavani and AWB I think, who didn't get out for the offside. Should we blame them?
People see what they want to see. Oh

10.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 18:00:01
People don’t seem to comment but we actually only needed a draw. When Fred was sent off we needed one goal not two. However the sending off left little chance of coming back, that was the importance, the frustration at the decision, or indecision, made by the manager.

Excuse after excuse. Yes we may even get a result in Germany and then it will be a triumph. Yet the rollercoaster ride will continue. Maybe in 10 years he will have cracked it. I am with Simon Jordan, we deserve better than this.

11.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 18:21:47
Are rollercoaster rides not meant to be fun?

{Ed047's Note - absolutely, the new Hagrid ride in Universal is awesome! 😉

12.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 18:33:16
Shan, I gave up expecting an intelligent response from you a while ago to be honest. Your first response perfectly highlights why. While your reply to GDS is priceless, a rant about how much you don't care what GDS says. When in reality if you didn't care you wouldn't have deemed it necessary to reply.

MancMan, Fred has been our most in-form midfielder over the past few weeks, he has been instrumental to many of Ole's biggest wins. Against a team like PSG I don't see the issue with picking Fred (key player in both wins against them) over Donny (a player I rate highly) . Tactically, Ole dropped a CB and added an attacker compared to how he has lined up against them previously. A bold and offensive move. The likelihood of him also dropping a defensive midfielder as well just wasn't going to happen.

Martial is in terrible form, but you don't pick up your form by not playing. Also Greenwood is also in poor form, while he is also having off field issues. A key game against one of the best sides in Europe when we need a result probably in all fairness isn't the best game to throw him in.

As for Tuanzebe, how many games has he played since the last PSG game? Also he played well in that game as part of a back three, is he ready to be thrown into a big game like that as part of a back four, especially in a back four in which he hasn't played much recently?

This is what I'm saying in hindsight we can point out the mistakes and say he should have done this or that. However, we have no way of actually knowing whether those changes would have changed the outcome.

Maybe Donny and Tuanzebe start and we are 3-0 down at half time.

What I saw were two teams fairly evenly matched trading blows, in a more open contest than I expected. However, our players made more individual errors and missed good chances to score. That's the way it goes sometimes. I would argue that this performance against PSG showed more promise and was more deserving of a result than either of our two wins against them. In those games we hunkered down, weathered the storm and caught them on the break, we relied on a fair amount of luck. This game we went toe to toe with them, we showed we were equal to them in most areas. Sadly like I said it was the individual errors that let us down, it goes like that sometimes.

13.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 19:29:07
Shappy

I repeat the Fred situation was not “in hindsight”, it was entirely avoidable if we had a competent decision maker.

If two teams were as close as you say, the margins would be small, in fact the difference of managerial decisions.

14.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 19:38:43
It was that bad management that I wouldn't even call it a schoolboy error. And the 2 boys beside ole are as bad. How one of them didn't say. Ole he has to be taken off now. You need a strong assistant as well. Just goes to show its a, shambles from the very top to the bottom.
Out out out.

15.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 19:40:23
Red man I don’t think anyone can sensibly argue with what you are saying.

How is hindsight needed to see that Fred should have been subbed soon after the head but, or at half time at the very latest?

Even my wife said “will he bring him off now” and if she can see it then I dare say everyone watching could see it!

To leave Fred on the pitch against a PSG side littered with whining little snakes was unforgivable and it eventually lost us the game. An eventual 2nd yellow card was clear for all to see. Take the red tinted glasses off.

I think we played really well last night despite what Shan The Extremist says. We matched PSG all over the pitch even with our weak defence and questionable midfield. If it weren’t for a couple of missed chances and the stupidity of our manager I think we would have won that game.

To look at the positives, we’ve been a lot better to watch just recently so I’m looking forward to the next few games where I hope we can carry our improving form into some very tough fixtures.

16.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 20:15:47
Wazza

The game was there to get at least a point, like I said a draw would have done, but we didn’t give ourselves a chance in the last 20 minutes to get an equaliser because of the stupidity on Fred.

Shappy keeps repeating it is the players, seemingly in the hope that saying it enough times will make everyone believe it.

At this level we can’t afford continuing mistakes, they talk about consistency but that has to start at the manager.

Just so frustrating.

17.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 20:20:56
Tuanzebe was suspended! So it makes no odds mentioning him in regards to last night. As for Ole the decision to leave Fred on is laughable and literally everyone new what was coming, but he can't control how Martial finishes or Bruno not playing an easy pass to Cavani or the fact we should of put the game away between 20 to 60 minutes as we were much the better team. The things he can control though he doesn't do very well his substitutions are usually late and often wrong and his reaction to opposition changing shape and tactics is non existent as was the case last night. So I really don't believe ole is the man to take us forward unfortunately and we should have a top class manager to lead us.

Just to say Shan it's a tad disrespectful replying to someone in that manner when they've took time to post a detailed description of their opinion whether you agree with it or not.

18.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 20:48:16
Ole screwed up last night end of story.

{Ed047's Note - but if you can defend the indefensible with a 500 word essay I guess it would be rude not too. 🤷‍♂️

19.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 21:32:04
Some long posts on here from the usuals but none will call it for what it was last night, a complete and utter disaster from our management.

20.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 23:01:57
He made a couple if good calls against Southampton he got credit but this was a balls up from start to finish.
Angel you need to understand that when the players play well its down to ole when they don't play well its down to the players.
If we hit the bar and miss 2 chances on another day we would have won but we discount them hitting the bar and missing 3 soft chances too. Totally blinkered bullpoo. 😂
Im not sure if the OP is a wind up but its a load of bolloxology if its not imo.

21.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 23:29:53
Ole have given us plenty of reasons to question him, yesterday it was not of these days. Everyone say that he must have subbed Fred and i agree. People only seem to judge based on results and obvious mistakes who costs a match. One such mistake was last night witgy Fred. The truth is there are plenty of mistakes but because don't cost none mentioning them.
The truth is that overall yesterday we were good and we found some balance between defence and attack, we played quite attacking without leaving gaps in defence. I never really scared them when they attacked and they had only 2-3 big chances.
I am not a fan of Ole but of all times he deserves criticism this time he deserves it less overall. In another night Martial scores we win and everyone forgets about Fred. The problem with Ole is that he is very relaxed and he doesn't "live" the match. In football terms his team played well and he saw no reason to sub Fred (which he was sure that he will be disciplined) and as Shappy said he booked 8 times in first half but that was his first red. So in football terms it was not so big mistake. But it was the "energy" of the match that suggested that in the first chance the referee will book him trying to correct the previous mistake.

22.) 03 Dec 2020
03 Dec 2020 23:39:39
we are managed by a clown and pretty soon old trafford will become a circus. we have become the new arsenal.

23.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 02:29:20
Reprimanded haha the irony there is brilliant.

Good thread this one fellas, some good debate without a great deal of abuse. Sometimes Shappy you need to accept that Ole messed up, you’re defending the indefensible, when you do that it makes any other points you make pretty invalid, when sometimes you have a lot of good to say.

There were definitely huge positives yesterday, but there was also a huge negative and it was the massive mistake by Ole which we can’t ignore.

24.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 03:48:15
Unpopular Opinions: Chapter 1

Fred: It was not a red card! I don't see a single soul put a counter arguement to shappy's excellent point about Fred having been booked in the first halves of like 15 games and still completing them. The ref made an ugly mistake in both halves and that is somehow Ole's fault lol. The only reasonable point made here was by someone who said that the golden rule in champs league is subbing the lucky schmuck who escaped a red card in the first half!

Game vs PSG: the funniest thing i read here was this guy stating " often times we hear the players let the manager down, but tonight it was the manager" oh deary me! Sure, why not, Ole did let the players down by putting some belief in them to ACTUALLY go and play with some attacking intent against PSG and push the lads to play one or two touch passing. Also Ole did let martial down by not coming in and scoring the two sitters (i still love anto - as annoying as he maybe) and obviously he let cavani down by not raising the crossbar by a couple of inches. sheesh, have you all really forgotten the crap we have been served for the last 7 years? Now that one of our own is tryin to get the lads working hard and outworking teams on the pitch and acknowledging when the play bad! And this is with Mick Phelan at the helm. Have you all no memory of the dire football we played even under SAF when phelan was there?

Champs league group:
I don't know about you guys, but when i saw the group announced, i did not think that we'd even qualify for europa, and that was only reaffirmed with the start of the season we had. The fact that we still may qualify for the knock-outs, wonder who should get the credit for it, apart from the squad!

Ole:
In my, ultimately inconsequential, opinion, you lot are very eloquent and smart and can make anyone look good or bad dependin on which way the wind is blowing. Sure, there are better managers out there and there always will be, and Ole is learning as he goes but from where i am sitting, and what my eyes are seeing on saturday and sunday nights is the team is atleast playing with a hint of pride and apart from the 1st or 2nd season under, to some extent (mourinho) i haven't seen my team and enjoyed the football. SO call me biased (You should, because i am) but i want manutd to succeed with Ole at the wheel!

Last but not least: there are so many of the posters here (my friends - i consider y'all) who have very opposing opinions to mine and I cherish them and always up for a debate but what gets on my nerve is when some of the, let's just call em, kids here start saying we are becoming the new arsenal (sorry arsenal fans :D) and that its embarrasing. Jeez Louise folks, I mean i get mad as much as the next guy if we lose a game but u telling me its more embarrasing than the football we played under LVG, or mourinho predicting C.V. ( hahaha remember when he said pogba is a virus) or moyes looking at noisy neighbours with aweee?

Health and Peace!

25.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 03:57:01
@Herrera, excellent point mate, very eloquently put. I for one do not like fred because he has no passing and yes, he does break up opponent's play but i want our play to be so dominant that there isn't a need for a player like fred, but i realize that its a pipe dream for now.

I suspect he left him on for some steel, i reckon Ole thought we'll get a goal and then sit back and hit em on the break which obviously didn't happen, but not the craziest plan in the world in my modest opinion and i really can't fathom why everyone is so up in arms about it here.

26.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 04:44:25
Shappy, thank you for jumping in and giving your opinion on something i said to GDS. So much for minding your own business.

Anyway, that post of yours or any post wherein you defend everything under the sun that Ole does, do not deserve an intelligent revert. You are still defending that stupid decision from Ole. You are the only person trying that. Wonder if it was Jose who did that, you would have led a march to his Lowry room by now.

27.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 05:56:21
"Intelligent revert" hahahahahahahahahah.

28.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 07:05:18
Someone commenting on something you said on a public forum Shan?! Heaven forbid!

29.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 07:18:43
No he isn't Shan.
Very good posts Shappy and Raconteur!

30.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 08:17:54
I appreciate that my posts can be long winded, yet I think many of you have missed a key point.

"The only mistake in hindsight that can fairly be levelled at the manager is to not take Fred off at half time. "

Right there I state that Ole made a mistake in not subbing Fred at half time.

That said I felt there were valid reasons to keep him on, and in the end Fred got sent off in the second half WITHOUT committing a foul.

As for all those clairvoyants out there, how much money did you make from placing bets at half time that Fred would be sent off in the second half?

I mean surely if it was so obvious and you absolutely KNEW at the time that Fred would be sent off then surely some of you put your money where your mouth is?

31.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 09:09:43
Why does someone have to put money on it to know that it was the right thing to do? What sort of logic is that?

32.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 09:35:13
I don't think anyone would of put that bet on Shappy as everyone expected fred to be coming off. Regardless of how many times he's been yellow carded in the first half of games it's about reading the game your in and it was against a team like PSG who love to wind opposition players up. Everyone could see it coming why couldn't our manager?

33.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 09:40:34
Angel, if it was a given then surely someone chucked a bet on to get a GUARANTEED return.

I mean it's free money, who doesn't want free money. I'll be interested to look at the transcript of the live chat to see who actually said that they knew Fred was going to be sent off during the halftime break.

34.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 09:51:39
Angel, I think shappy is frustrated and pointing to betting and winning money on a sure thing to drive his point home.

I get that, again i am complete anti-fred, but to say with such arrogance that it was obvious and blah blah blah is the source of frustration i suppose.

And Shappy i believe the correct statement should've been "I appreciate that my posts can be long winded, (which is why) I think many of you have missed a key point" :)

35.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 10:21:42
Nobody can be blamed for missing a key point amongst all the rubbish and BS.
If you want to make a key point don't surround it with claptrap just make your point.

36.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 10:22:12
I don’t bet, but why should it relate to gambling?

The gambling was keeping Fred on, against a team who know how to play the dark arts. If the ref reviewed it at half time, that’s where hindsight may have come in. Only a complete fool would not realise what might happen at the slightest challenge.

This set of posts really is nonsense to defend an obvious error by the manager. There has been little desperation to defend any of the three previous managers, none of whom made such a blooper as that one. Why, because Ole drives emotion, one of our own. Utterly ridiculous that people will defend such a mistake so strongly. The thing is it was a glaring error, in amongst others, but has to be defended at all costs.

Interesting to see Shappys Norwegian Bots are out liking his posts again.

37.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 11:03:14
It's pathetic redman to be honest.

38.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 11:15:48
That last line is so Trumpesque, Red Man 😁.

39.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 11:21:28
I've actually said that I think in hindsight it was a mistake not to take Fred off.

What I think is the overreaction is the certainty in which many posters have that it was THAT mistake that cost us the game.

When the mistake not to take Fred off isn't what cost us the game.

PSG were 2-1 up when Fred got sent off, we were already losing the game before we were reduced to 10 men.

We were losing the game due to two poor individual defensive errors. Not tactical mistakes, or picking the wrong players.

While Martial missed two very good chances to score BEFORE Fred.

Had our players not made basic defensive mistakes and Martial scored two simple chances we would have been 3-0 up before Fred got sent off for making a fair challenge and winning the ball🤦‍♂️.

40.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 12:06:46
We actually played well against a good psg side and should of really got something out the game . It wasn't a bad performance
Of course everything other than a chance to have a dig at the manager will be ignored .
We lost a game, ole took a chance and left Fred on . Should of probably took him off . Martial scores etc its a different game, psg get a second when a goal up again its a different game .
Bit of luck about every goal
Thats football, mountain out of a mole hill, site is always a good laugh when we drop points regardless of the circumstances, some comedy gold above .

Not seen many post saying ole should of 100% left Fred on infact its the opposite, but people get upset if someone doesn't just point out the negative .
Hindsight is a wonderful thing .
But at least the site is busy.

41.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 12:42:44
Shappy just to respond to your points:

Whether Fred has been our most in form and instrumental midfielder or not is arguable. My point is that DvB was excellent in the last game and in my view should have started against PSG whether this was in place of Fred or McTominay. Two defensive midfielders was not necessary and was counter productive in a defensive sense because they gave the ball away in dangerous areas because they cannot pass properly.

Going from 3 at the back to 4 at the back is not more attacking; it's an extra defender.

Shappy, tell me honestly; did you not feel that Fred was going to get sent off? I did, the pundits did and it seems like most people on this site did. You can quote all the stats you like about Freds first half yellow cards (and I agree you make a good argument), but sometime you just have to listen to your spidey sense.

42.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 12:46:53
Jred, for me it's just ignoring the context of the game and trying to put all the blame on the manager to push an anti-Ole agenda.

Like I've pointed out and said a dozen times on here today. I agree that in hindsight Fred should have been subbed at halftime.

That said, many players get a booking in the first half. As a manager you decide whether the players head has gone and whether you need to bring them off. As an outsider looking in I would have taken Fred off as he attempted to headbutt a player. That said at the limited level I have managed at I would have had a chat with the player at halftime to decide whether I needed to pull them or not.

The fact that Fred didn't commit a foul in the second half seems lost on most. He was sent off in a refereeing mistake. Possibly because the Ref realised at halftime that he ballsed up in the first half, and he was trying to make two wrongs in to a right.

43.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 12:46:55
Red Man,

My post got 17 likes and apparently everyone on here including the Ed's hate me so there must be a lot of those Norweigen bots out there you mention. Ken will tell you none of them likes were done by myself when he does his investigation as well, perhaps some people are just scared to speak up in case they get treated like idiots?

44.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 13:02:02
👏👏👏👏.

45.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 13:09:31
Shappy that sums it up imo.

46.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 13:41:30
Lolll Norweigen bots! Classic! )

47.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 14:40:50
Gds if the cap fits.

48.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 14:48:12
They must be scared that's it. 😂😂😂 would terrified not be more sensational. let's have a little clap hands👏👏👏👏.

49.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 15:27:50
GDS

It was one of your posts that made sense, I think one of those likes is from me.

Shappy writes a huge essay, often with nonsense in, then you watch the likes click up. It’s either one of four things
1) Norwegian bots
2) People who click the like button because they think it will close the page as they got lost whilst reading
3) People who misread the symbol and think it is rude and want to give a message back to Shappy
4) Insomnia sufferers who are grateful for help. After all today, for them there are only three sleeps until Christmas.

50.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 15:35:38
Ken knows me. I'm a student with my only source of income being cyber crime🤷‍♂️ My Russian bots have been bought and paid for in influencing Trump's election campaigns, the Brexit campaign and Boris's election campaign.

I also occasionally use them to "like" my own posts on football forums🤣🤣🤣.

51.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 16:18:42
ken,

You proved my point exactly, maybe people can't be arsed with the sarcasm or bolloxology they get back if they dare to suggest anything other than your opinion?

52.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 16:44:23
Ed001 summed you up gds i tend to agree with him.

53.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 16:46:30
Very funny redman.

54.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 17:51:33
So you keep saying ken, not like you to agree with an Ed though. On the chat everyone saw me offer a truce and we could move on as I’ve always thought you were a good bloke, you refused and ignored the offer.

55.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 17:53:00
Very funny Redman haha.

56.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 19:41:31
Truce for what?

57.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 20:38:33
Because you’re rude and abrupt to all of my posts and clearly have a problem with me despite me being nothing but polite, never mind, if you don’t see how you’re being then there’s no point, just thought you would be better than that.

{Ed025's Note - come on guys you are better than this, please lets have some respect for other peoples opinions even if you dont agree with them, its ok to have a bit of banter but name calling and trashing other posters views is not on, its usually a pleasure to edit the united page as there are some great characters and humour but lately its all got a bit toxic, lets start afresh hey and be more tollerant towards each other...cheers..

58.) 04 Dec 2020
04 Dec 2020 21:55:41
Red Man, how much money did you make from your bet at half time that Fred would be sent off in the second half?

I'd imagine naff all as you didn't place a bet, as your not a clairvoyant and you didn't know what was going to happen.

Thus saying we all knew what was going to happen is in fact a fallacy. You might have thought it possible, even likely. But you did not know, or are you really Mystic Meg?

Like I said, that was the 8th time Fred has received a first half yellow card for us, and only the first time he actually got sent off.

How many fouls did Fred commit in the second half? None.

I'd imagine at half time maybe the coaching staff, maybe even the management might have had a word with him, told him to be careful in the second half and to not react as he did in the first half.

He was sent off for a challenge where he won the ball. It wasn't a foul by any law in the game.

While he should have been sent off in the first half, he didn't do much wrong in the second.

While it might have been prudent to sub him at half time as he had headbutted (albeit hardly making contact) in the first half.

While you are completely neglecting the fact that after the sending off Ole brought on TWO creative attacking midfielders and a striker. While we still fashioned chances when down to ten men and could still have gotten a result.

Your quick to slag Ole off for what you perceive as negative subs, where is your praise for his brave offensive subs?

59.) 05 Dec 2020
05 Dec 2020 01:15:26
I checked the price for Fred to get sent off at half time and thought it wasn’t worth the bet as even if he came out for the 2nd half Ole would take him off after 15 minutes as he seems incapable of making a sub until 60 minutes. No value there on someone to get sent off in 15 minutes at even money imo.

60.) 05 Dec 2020
05 Dec 2020 08:27:09
Shappy

I don’t bet, I made that clear, except the Grand National. If If I did I wouldn’t have put money on until I saw Fred start the second half because I wouldn’t have believed a manager could be that incompetent.

I gave Ole praise for his half time changes at Southampton, but you just can’t criticise anything he does. He deserves criticism for the Fred decision but you seem to be too emotionally bought in to Ole to be objective at all.

61.) 05 Dec 2020
05 Dec 2020 12:51:10
So, if Fred got red card in the first half, it wouldn't be Oles fault? Or people here would say its still his fault, because he shouldn't have even picked Fred, and should have gone with VdB? Any way you turn it, it's always Oles fault it seems. also, people keep ignoring the fact that he didn't even commit a foul, like Shappy has already said.
Its always Oles fault, down with his head!
Did you guys ever disagree with Ferguson starting eleven and subs he made? Did you ask for his head?

62.) 05 Dec 2020
05 Dec 2020 14:50:22
Trololo

If Fred got a red card in the first half there was nothing Ole could do and it wouldn’t be his fault. Fred got away with it, but anyone with any sense would know that he is a midfield player who puts challenges in, one wrong one and he was potentially off. If I was manager I would also have considered at half time whether the ref would be reviewing his decision and perhaps thought on reflection he should have given Red, so next challenge, card, off. The fact Ole didn’t deal with it, when we know they throw themselves on the floor, is frankly less than amateur management.