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26 Aug 2020 14:08:15
Harry Maguire to remain on as captain for Manchester United according to Sky Sports.
Yet another stance by the club to stick by his side. Maybe a show of faith in the player.
Although I’m on the side of let’s see the appeal play out and see actual factual evidence etc I disagree with the club on this one and think a captaincy change would help the player as well to keep the pressure and spotlight off him as much.
1.) 26 Aug 2020 14:46:43
Time to move on imo. Its over and done with until his appeal hearing.
2.) 26 Aug 2020 15:23:48
I imagine from a man management point of view if he's sat in Oles office giving his version of events and has lodged an appeal then you give him a boll***ing and the benefit of the doubt until the appeal is heard . making it clear anything else comes out of the woodwork it will have consequences.
3.) 26 Aug 2020 15:50:02
Can’t help but feel this decision will come back to bite the club in the ass.
He was found guilty. Whilst there’s still an appeal to sit through, one suspects that he wouldn’t have been charged nor found guilty if the evidence wasn’t sufficient to do so. If anything, one would think that the Greek government would have been keen to kick this one under the rug given the impact that this could have on tourism - even more so if their version of events turns out not to be true.
Harry’s version of events sounds like a load of baloney to me, but whether or not there were suspicious Albanians involved, being out drunk at midnight was wrong. Assaulting a police officer was wrong. Trying to bribe the police was wrong. The lad should consider himself lucky not to be serving time and the club should be sending out the message that they do not condone this type of behavior by stripping him of the captaincy and publicly condemning his actions.
When the appeal gets rejected they’ll look like absolute tits for backing him.
4.) 26 Aug 2020 16:29:12
From the outside looking in - He may have been convicted but there's no real concrete evidence to prove that he did what was alleged, or to prove he didn't
Doesn't look very good for the club, sponsors and player to bring these kind of headlines, but they have backed him and he remains captain
You move on.
5.) 26 Aug 2020 16:16:54
Red,
You’re potentially being a little naive, the story Maguire tells and what he has been accused of are so wide apart that you feel like he would be stupid to be lying about it. His lawyer supposedly has evidence that backs him up and the club obviously believe what he is saying at the moment and I would expect us to publicly back him as well, if not we are saying that what we think he is saying is untrue.
I’d be wary of how this trial was done and how little chance his lawyers were given to defend him and I am keeping an open mind. If he is lying and with a fair case and evidence (not a policeman saying he said something, actual evidence) I think the club will strip him of the captaincy, I am assuming they are confident the appeal will be successful.
In what way was being out drunk at midnight wrong by the way? He is a grown man and can do what he wants with his time off.
As ken said, best to move on now, these things always get forgotten eventually anyway.
6.) 26 Aug 2020 16:18:04
Apparently the first anyone had heard of his sister being spiked was at court yesterday, no police nor doctors alerted to it, all too convient an excuse, and it still does not excuse his later behaviour.
7.) 26 Aug 2020 16:26:56
He’s English. Let’s be honest, if it was Pogba as captained, he’d be stripped right off.
I always hear Pogba being a disruption but his lifestyle shows anything but that and he’s been completely professional. The favouritism is embarrassing.
8.) 26 Aug 2020 16:55:16
So Harry is now innocent again until he is proved guilty, some people’s opinions look a little premature now.
{Ed047's Note - a Police Officer saying something under oath in Court is “actual evidenceâ€
9.) 26 Aug 2020 17:05:58
An appeal against yesterday’s verdict was lodged this morning by Harry’s legal team. In accordance with the Greek judicial process, the filing of an appeal extinguishes the initial court verdict and nullifies the conviction, " the club explained in a statement released on Wednesday.
"The appeal has been accepted and will lead to a full retrial in a more senior court. This means that Harry has no criminal record and is once again presumed innocent until proven guilty.
"Accordingly, he is not subject to any international travel restrictions. "
Looks like it GDS.
10.) 26 Aug 2020 18:07:18
To be fair, a statement given in court in person, or by the defendants solicitor is also 'evidence'.
I don't think anyone is trying to absolve Maguire of any wrong doing directly, it's just that it all seems very rushed and the evidence is all "hearsay".
A proper trial will involve actual evidence if any even exists, so probably just best wait and see what happens. It's all just guess work at the moment, and nobody has seen or heard any real evidence. It assault and battery actually happened at the Police station, then surely there must be CCTV or something to back up the allegations.
I'd so, then Maguire deserves all he gets.
11.) 26 Aug 2020 18:32:48
Agreed Betty, 100%.
25 Aug 2020 20:38:15
Hi all I’ve been reading this site on and off for what seems 7/ 8 years (not exactly sure how long)
I just wanted to put across my reaction to the follow up statement of the Maguire verdict by him and the club.
Both Maguire and the club have come out and seem 100% confident on Maguires verdict being overturned under appeal and even used the words “fair trialâ€.
I understand that he’s been found guilty however as someone that’s Admittedly been through naughty times in their life Via courts etc I can personally say the fact that the defence team asked for the trial to be adjourned and that denied followed by a very fast and almost instant verdict of guilty makes me think that potentially this isn’t as cut and dry as it first seems.
If this was the case I’d have fully expected the club and player to have completely different responses to the ones we’ve seen today.
I will hold all judgment on the situation until the appeal has been filed and heard as I believe that is when we will have the true period of events instead of rumours and stories also especially considering I’ve seen many cases overturned over the years.
To the people saying others would be locked up etc for this sort of thing. don’t be so naive. I’ve seen a lot worse in my life and people have had a slap on the wrist and a fine or a few hours community service. He’s a professional footballer and a role model but that doesn’t Warrant extra punishment to what an average Joe would receive.
Let’s see what Happens under appeal and in the mean time to keep the attention off him so much i'd strip Maguire of captaincy to let him concentrate on his game.
All in all I understand why people have took the verdict and that’s it in their opinion but there’s two sides to every story and justice systems don’t always get it right so let’s see how the appeal goes.
Cheers
P. S - Ed pull your finger out and get some deals done please.
1.) 25 Aug 2020 20:46:25
George very good post that, I agree I don't think this will be the end of it either .
I'm personally not going to get the knives out just yet .
But honestly I think that's a very good and balanced pist.
2.) 25 Aug 2020 22:03:07
I can assure you, if you or me did it, with a clear record, we would not be treated any differently.
Certainly not in this country, and I'm assuming not in Greece either. It's a modern European state, not Venezuela. Fine, community service, maybe a caution at most.
As for Maguire, I'm sure there will be an appeal, and at the end of the day, only Harry and the police officer will know if a bribe was offered. No body worn police cameras, mobile phone footage etc come to light yet, so I would have thought it would be very difficult to prove that particular offence.
Very quick trial doesn't really lend itself to giving him much time to mount a proper defence. I'm sure any appeal will probably reveal more.
3.) 25 Aug 2020 23:55:15
For bribery of a police officer Nou? That's extremely serious.
4.) 26 Aug 2020 00:17:02
It used to be normal in Greece.
Until the European Union stepped it it was the norm to bribe the institutions to get around paying tax!
So please calm down.
It could very possibly be the case that the officers were looking to be bribed and are pissed they couldn’t milk a rich foreigner.
I’m not fighting anyone corner, just trying to add some perspective here.
I’ll definitely wait for the appeal and the verdict there before taking sides here.
Are we signing Messi? With the wages from Sanchez topped up a little maybe? 😂.
5.) 26 Aug 2020 00:21:28
You still need evidence, Angel. It looks like it's one person's word against the other for that particular offence. Very hard to prove, unless there were other witnesses, cameras with audio etc. Even then, they'd have to prove it was anything more sinister than a drunken, offish boast said in the heat of the moment. I'd guess that will be the more likely one to be dropped in any appeal. Though I'll hold my hands up, I'm only going by what it would likely be over here. Greek law isn't one of my specialities ðŸ˜.
6.) 26 Aug 2020 00:48:41
Angel - I’m not sure where you are coming from with this bribery being extreme.
It happens every weekend in England and every student night In the week. Just give young adults alcohol and as soon as their in trouble a lot of them will try and drunkenly try to buy the officer out of taking them to the station etc instead trying to get a slap on the wrist and sent home.
I’ve done it myself drunk and sober in my younger years and most policeman just laugh it off. Never have I once been charged with attempting bribery etc.
One of my best friends is a police Sargent in the city i live and he laughed at the report and his words were “a camera should follow me around at the weekend as it happens so muchâ€.
Again I’m not condoning it and I think Maguire in his position should be acting with a little more caution and care with how high profile he his but to say it’s extreme is massively wide of the mark.
7.) 26 Aug 2020 02:06:31
George I have myself, it happens.
8.) 26 Aug 2020 04:30:38
The thing with bribery though George is the average joe drunk out in the streets might offer a police officer £100 to let em go. 0% chance of an officer risking their career for that. Harry could offer that cop anywhere between 10-100k easily as a bribe which would be taken far more seriously.
9.) 26 Aug 2020 09:33:17
Fuser, you'd be surprised at just who can get arrested for being a drunken idiot these days, mate. It's not just Dave from the local garage out with his mates on a Saturday night. Plenty of rich, entitled twits out there as well, who can't handle their drink.
26 Aug 2020 14:10:29
I agree Shappy
I’ve seen him the last 12 months or so and he’s always looked like a solid young defender. Although I do think Gabriel is the better player at this point all be it he’s a few years older I think.
26 Aug 2020 14:04:24
Snappy
Everything you’ve put about his charges etc is from taking the verdict at face value. We are still yet to see any actual proof be released of body cam footage, recordings, CCTV or anything. As someone that’s admittedly been in a holding cell in Greece they might be a country that’s struggled financially but they still have cameras etc.
For me the club and Maguire wouldn't have had the reaction they did yesterday with their press releases.
There must be some confidence there to still insist on appealing and remaining innocent. I would have expected Maguire to come out publicly apologise etc if this wasn’t the case and the club to have a different public stance.
Let’s see what happens and keep the knives in the drawers for a little while.
Although I do agree for the better of the player and the club in the mean time the captaincy does beee to be moved to another player.
26 Aug 2020 00:58:44
Sorry I’ve just read this thread and can see both sides To the argument honestly but I just wanted to say “assaulting a police officer†is such a loose term as it literally could have been a group scrapping and simply an officer in the middle getting caught by a stray arm etc.
It doesn’t always mean straight up he’s gone up to the officer and chinned them intentionally.
Let’s get the facts of the whole event before judging at least.
Like I said in my post above, the club and Maguire seemed very confident of his case and innocence even after the verdict so let’s see what happens first.
26 Aug 2020 00:48:41
Angel - I’m not sure where you are coming from with this bribery being extreme.
It happens every weekend in England and every student night In the week. Just give young adults alcohol and as soon as their in trouble a lot of them will try and drunkenly try to buy the officer out of taking them to the station etc instead trying to get a slap on the wrist and sent home.
I’ve done it myself drunk and sober in my younger years and most policeman just laugh it off. Never have I once been charged with attempting bribery etc.
One of my best friends is a police Sargent in the city i live and he laughed at the report and his words were “a camera should follow me around at the weekend as it happens so muchâ€.
Again I’m not condoning it and I think Maguire in his position should be acting with a little more caution and care with how high profile he his but to say it’s extreme is massively wide of the mark.