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Liverpool v Southampton Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective

23 Sep 2018 21:26:23
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23 Sep 2018 16:02:35
Trying so hard to keep the faith in José.

What I'd give to see a swashbuckling 4-4-2 with a dynamic forward pairing and skillful, driven wingers.

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23 Sep 2018 17:28:20
Think José has reached his zenith at United. Ironic José saying he expected more from his players when the fans expected more from him.

23 Sep 2018 19:17:26
I expect more from the players at home, he picked the strongest side possible, and they struggled big time to break Wolves down, hows that Jose fault?

23 Sep 2018 20:11:26
His team, his tactics. José's third year now, are we progressing?
For me the turning point has been the Sanchez signing, someone to take us to the next level and challenge, something we all applauded at the time but with hindsight we will probably look back on as a mistake.
Jose complains about not having defensive reinforcements, but our issue for the last 6 years has simply been not scoring enough goals, we have not scored more than 70 goals in a season since 2012/ 13.

23 Sep 2018 20:42:08
Ok, I’m a long way from being a Jose fan but yesterday that was the players who didn’t work or try. There was a lack of urgency, a casualness that has become all too frequent. I know not how to solve it but like Jose, I am tearing my hair out.

23 Sep 2018 22:11:44
Players reflect their manager's attitude, maybe José calling out players in public rather than behind closed doors is where this all stems from. Are the players really playing for him anymore?

Premier League Previews 23 September 2018

23 Sep 2018 10:31:48
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23 Sep 2018 08:18:30
Celtic fan here I used to love watching Man U growing up and realise just how good a manager Fergie was in the 90s 00s the team was full of leaders now it looks like the players are taking a wage and giving nothing in return.

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23 Sep 2018 11:08:32
This bunch of players think that winning two games in a row gives them a pass for a less than sparkling performance. I'm sick and tired of the oft repeated "we must do better" mantra the players give after a poor performance. This bunch of wage thieves are simply not good enough. I have given Mourinho and this team my fullest backing and they continue to frustrate, it's time to get someone else at the helm and give him the backing and carte blanche to do whatever he thinks is necessary. Getting shot of quite a few of the lazy @rsed players might be a start.

{Ed025's Note - harsh george..but fair..

23 Sep 2018 12:35:09
How do we know he didn't try and get rid of them and we failed to do so.

23 Sep 2018 13:30:38
Charlie and Georgie, absolutely spot on. I've had enough of excuses as many fans have. They turn up and play half hearted, lazy football, then come out after and "must do better", lame excuses.
They're getting away with murder and myself and several of my friends who have been season ticket holders since 1970, have never seen such apathy within the players.
They can stuff it, as i won't be spending hard earned money on this dross. I've seen United teams with half the skill of the current team, but they always tried their hearts out. This team has no soul, no direction, no leaders, no respect.

23 Sep 2018 13:51:40
George, you think bringing ANOTHER manager will make the owners cough up to buy a new squad? your as deluded as the rest of the manager out brigade.

Mourinho wants to do what ever is necessary to turn the squad around, but he's not allowed. he's a head coach not a manager.

23 Sep 2018 14:55:14
Spot on AAA sick of this shower and there excuses. Overpaid and simply not good enough. They all think there world superstars which is laughable. There not fit to lace the boots of some of the genuine world class players we’ve had in the past. can't believe how many supporters now accept mediocrity and some of there excuse for rubbish performances are laughable.

23 Sep 2018 15:18:08
I'm not one that subscribes to changing managers at the drop of a hat but something is obviously wrong with our current set up. I really wanted Mourinho to succeed just to put two fingers up to the media boys that have been on his case, the only way of doing so would be to go on a meaningful run of games with some positive results. The manager and his teams are unable to deliver consistently and it is no fun watching every team we face being a better footballing outfit than we are currently demonstrating. Real Madrid are constantly evolving and change their managers quite regularly, should we stick with something that is obviously not working just to prove we aren't a sacking club? Our rivals seem to identify weaknesses and do something about it, Chelsea recently won the Premier league and had a nightmare the following season, they did something about it, Pep made ruthless changes to rectify the failings within Man City they were proactive rather than reactive, Liverpool are now beginning to see the fruit of their managers actions and their player recruitment seems to be light years ahead of ours. The three clubs I've singled out have all recently rectified areas within their clubs that were deemed to be falling short of what was required and in a short space of time, I just want Utd to do the same.

23 Sep 2018 17:27:54
For me its not about sacking managers. I think it needs to be looked at from above firstly.

Also some players are not a good fit for us. They don't try hard enough.

Pep made changes because he has all the say so with what he wants, Jose doesn't.

23 Sep 2018 17:36:09
Mourinho has had ample time and funds to show progress, are we better than last year? Replacing José is not an option at the moment, but come the summer the owners should look at who is available.

23 Sep 2018 19:18:18
I wish the owners would make themselves available.

23 Sep 2018 19:46:29
Can't blame the owners, they have provided the funds and let the manager do what he wants as far as we know.
With every manager that comes in Fergie's shoes get that little bit bigger.

23 Sep 2018 20:05:09
I think we have been spoilt by Sir Alex who was found lacking at times tactically, but was a level above all other managers in being able to extract maximum effort from his players in every game.

I don't think there is another manager alive who could get the same effort from a superstar player in a dead rubber game at the end of the season as he could in a cup final.

That was what set Sir Alex a class a part from all other managers.

Think about it logically, not one of us give 100% at work every single day. In fact how many of us give 100% at work one day a week? A real 100% where you physically, mentally and emotionally couldn't have given anymore?

Yet we expect this from our players? The often given reason for this is because how much they get paid. But no one ever considers the same things that stop us being able to give our best in our jobs might effect the players in theirs.

Has anyone ever had a colleague signed off work for stress? Or depression or anxiety? Yet who has heard of a player being signed off? These things effect them as well. Maybe that explains what we consider strange team selections?

The fact is under every manager, for every team in the world players have off days. It can't always be attributed to such simple things like the players couldn't be bothered. Or the manager couldn't motivate them. They are people and have complicated lives, just like us.

Sir Alex was a genius as he was able to make sure that the 11 players on the pitch always gave 100%, probably because he wouldn't pick someone he knew wouldn't be able to give 100% at that moment.

However, it's probably unfair to expect that to continue under different managers. Some times we will have players unable to give 100% some of the time.

23 Sep 2018 20:36:01
Sir Alex was a big believer in sports science and during his tenure quite a lot of detail went into securing the best dietary and physical needs including gyms where the players could receive the best possible instruction in keeping themselves at optimum fitness levels and it showed, Utd almost always looked fitter than their opponents. LVG or Jose must have had all the fittings ripped out and replaced them with a dartboard, pool table and a free bar, this set of players look a lot less sharp than their rivals.

23 Sep 2018 20:45:27
SAF had the power of years of success behind him. Once the board backed him in the 90’s when he chose to break up the team and it succeeded he had control. That control meant the players knew they would go before SAF so they had to toe the line. The board gave Moyes a 6 year contract to try to replicate that “power” but it didn’t work and now we have so much undermining of Mourinho by the Exec VP and some fanes means his power is not as strong as it should be.
I cannot believe there is another on here defending the owners, “can’t blame the owners”, what? This summer they knew we needed several quality players in several positions and kept their hands in their pockets. The situation we are in is from higher than the manager and ignore it if you wish but another manager won’t make it work unless there is a unity of purpose.

23 Sep 2018 21:10:11
Agree Blackpool Red. Lou Macari was talking about our juniors having this attitude problem a few years back. Now, we have senior players earning vast amounts who can't be bothered to put a shift in. Shappy, liverpool and City players don't seem to have a problem with work rate every match. Its up to the manager to keep them fresh and hungry. How many times have you seen Athletico Madrid players giving less than 100%? Simione makes sure he has them primed and ready every match. Their players have respect for the manager, the club and the fans. Our lot have no work ethic and mo respect.
A good old fashioned kick up the backside is the least that should be served up.
Performances like Brighton and Wolves are simply unacceptable. I am really disillusioned with them and the manager.

23 Sep 2018 21:39:45
Your correct redman what have the board done for Jose he's finished two seasons at the club and apart from dalot, Bailly, lindelehoff, matic, Fred, pogba, Sanchez, lukaku, zlatan ibrahimovic and Miki he's been completely unbacked, how can he hope to compete only granted, a RB, 2 CBS, 3 CMS, 2 strikers and 2 widemen .
City have spent more so how can we compete although if that's the criteria of the big 6 the other 5 should be easy meat using that as a template
I know we had the rubbish he inherited and he's probably held at gunpoint to select those players above the ones he signed himself .
There's no way other teams simply bought better players than us who
are performing better than ours .
It's frustrating redman but apportion blame, the board should have accepted mistakes and bought a new CB, the players need a kick up the ass but the coach isn't tearing up any trees either .

23 Sep 2018 22:22:43

What is the difference between Simeone and Mourinho? Simeone is backed 100% by their board, is in an almost unassailable position so what he says goes, the players know that. Our decision makers have tried to put that in place but don’t back it up. The image this summer is a divide between the exec VP/ owners and the manager.

The coach has not been completely unbacked, but his starting position was very much worse than Pep and City have unity of purpose. Chelsea had the league winning team from 12 months ago and Liverpool have invested heavily. It was not just a CB but a right sided attacker we needed, have for years. If the owners get rid of the manager now what state would the club be in? What are the present goings on saying about the club’s ambition?

23 Sep 2018 22:50:48
Red nan. The difference is chalk to cheese. Simione is a coach that identifies with his players, he buys exactly what he needs, he trains them hard, he plays and backs them. They'll jump through hoops of fire for him as he's a fantastic man manager.
Mourinho has spent £400m on a mishmash of players with no clear plan. He has critisized most of the players he's bought, leading to loss of trust between players and manager. He's lost the plot and the dressing room.
The difference between the two managers is massive, I'm amazed if people can't see that.

23 Sep 2018 23:18:47
Agree totally about a right sided player redman but how have Liverpool invested heavily and utd not been backed what are the figures since Jose's arrival . One of those statements can't be true .
I'm not advocating firing Jose unless position and points haul dictate it but we aren't at that point just yet .
I'm not sure what you mean what state would the club be in, of the big six we are the lowest already the saving grace is it's early doors and I'd like to give Jose time to change that as a burst of results would do so quickly, but I'd rather not die the death of a thousand cuts where every month we drop a few more behind until it's a chasm .

24 Sep 2018 07:02:42
There's more sense in this thread than there has been on this site for a while now. It is clear that Jose has been brought in to overhaul the squad but the board has stopped just short of buying the premium ingredients we need, and often spent big on big names who don't really want to be here but they sell shirts and look good in other teams. The tactic of not backing your manager to the hilt is always going to trickle down to the players and fans and performances, and it's not working for us. The sooner we have a person or people giving a clear vision for the club, regardless of who the manager is, whether it's a DoF or something else, the better.

Review Of The Day 23rd September 2018

23 Sep 2018 07:29:01
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23 Sep 2018 06:47:19
That was tough to watch. I know it was after a European game but there was a lack of energy and urgency. Fred is mentioned down the page but I thought he was excellent. Pogba was casual, and once again Lukaku just didn’t get into the game. I’m a big Jesse fan but he was anonymous and if anyone thinks Sanchez is improving then I don’t know what you are watching.

I think buying Sanchez was a dreadful error and it feels like the same for Pogba; an occasional good game doesn’t cut it for me.

The most frustrating thing is we had generated momentum with 3 away wins but looked complacent against a very good Wolves team. We need a couple of signings but we need to sign a leader, someone who will lead by example and not accept a lack of effort or poor attitudes. As has been said so often, we have very talented players but they simply don’t deliver. I realise ‘it’s just 1 game’ but it’s symptomatic of our season.

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23 Sep 2018 08:48:54
Pogba is just so talented. He has bags and bags of ability, arguably the most naturally gifted midfielder in world football, but it's just not clicking for him. He might have to move for his own good.

23 Sep 2018 11:03:25
RR no he's not. He needs to stand out before he is named one of the best. Currently the only way he stands out is on instagram.

23 Sep 2018 13:25:02
Pogba doesn't have to move on. He is one of the most talented players on the planet and shows that in flashes. His touch for the goal was world class, his goal midweek was world class. We need to persevere with him, Fred seems to be forming a relationshio with him.

23 Sep 2018 13:52:38
Yeh Fred will be forming the relationship with Pogba in the dressing room see who can dance the best that's about it.

23 Sep 2018 13:57:33
I agree with you on Sanchez AJH but I'm puzzled by how poor he looks in the team. Such a talented player but he has been bobbins since he joined.
I can't believe it's actually him sometimes.
It's so disappointing because he is a fantastic player.
Is it because he just doesn't fit in, personal reasons or not happy or lost half a yard of pace. I was really excited when he joined and now I just wonder why I was.

23 Sep 2018 14:21:01
The issue is not just the players, it's the system. The way we play doesn't get the most out of our players.

The problem we have is our defence isn't that strong, so we need a lot of cover and this leaves our atta ks toothless. We have talented people to both move the ball forward and deliver the final pass and finish, we just never have them in their best positions.

352 solves this problem. Midfield 3 of Matic, Fred, pogba with a back 3 should have us solid defensively, whilst allowing pogba and Fred the freedom to express themselves going forward without exposing us defensively. Width comes from Shaw and dalot, sanchez and lukaku upfront will hopefully get the best out of a very talented sanchez and give better service to lukaku.

Its a shame for martial, jese and rashford, but I'm not sold on any of them being good enough anyway.

23 Sep 2018 14:38:05
I like 3-5-2. Right now, I’d have Rash or Martial as the second striker, Sanchez has been. Why poor.

22 Sep 2018 16:56:11
Our attacking play is so lazy and sloppy when we chase a goal. All we do is a simple long ball to Fellaini. Every time we moved the ball quick and worked a nice crossing angle we looked dangerous and put some decent balls in. Players taking the easy route by just pumping it into the box.

When we tried to play football today we created dangerous moments and lacked the final ball. Sanchez was dreadful, I don't know what we have to do for him to look a fraction of the player he did at arsenal?

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22 Sep 2018 17:02:34
Mkhitaryan was a better player for us. Also he was on less wages.

22 Sep 2018 17:12:34
Interesting point about Sanchez at Arsenal.

How many of us watched him play entire games at Arsenal? And how many of us saw his highlights on match of the day?

It takes a dedicated fan to regularly watch 90 minutes of another team play, so there is no shame is admitting that you might have only seen him play 90 minutes a handful of times while at Arsenal. With all the rest of your viewing of him coming from the highlights.

To be honest that's probably my experience of seeing Sanchez play for Arsenal.

A freind of mine is an Arsenal fan, and he isn't surprised by Sanchez's form, in fact he expected it.

He said Sanchez was great against the teams you expect to beat and in the games you are on top of. However, he dispears in the game you need him to step up, or the games your under the cosh. His assessment was that is probably why he didn't really make it at a top top club like Barcelona. He hasn't got that ability to really have an impact unless the team is clearly on top. He isn't a big game player.

At least that is what an Arsenal fan and friend thinks anyway.

22 Sep 2018 17:23:14
Arsenal played 1-2 touch style in and around the box which is suited to Sanchez hence he got the goals and assists. Here he is expected to play a different style. I think being so highly paid has made him think that he is so much more better than he actually is. He is trying all these through balls and stuff when he shouldn't and loses the ball. He should just stick to basic for a few matches and then go forward.

22 Sep 2018 17:29:37
Sanchez and lukkaku should be dropped for the next league game after them performance's.

22 Sep 2018 17:36:55
Sanchez is just another poor expensive left sided forward no better than Di Maria or Depay. His time is running out after that performance. Very disappointed 😔😔.

22 Sep 2018 17:44:06
Not seen todays game yet but Rashford and Lukaku the other night were garbage. Rest of the team looked OK. But when pundits talk about battle of the front 3's we're not in even in the premierships top 3 of the front 3, nevermind Europe. They're painful to watch.

22 Sep 2018 18:06:40
I think our attack is more of a problem than our defence.
Never been a fan of Lukaku, Sanchez doesn't seem to fit in and Rashford Martial and Lingard are nowhere near good enough. It never really looks out me we're going to tear anyone apart.

22 Sep 2018 18:28:57
Totally agree Shappy it's hard to usefully critique any player useless you see them play 90 minutes on a regular basis over a sustained period of time. Sanchez is certainly not the kind of player I believed he was nor is Lukaku or even Pogba for that matter.

Sailor - I agree with the 1 and 2 touch pal. Not sure Sanchez suits our style or even if we have one.

993 - Attack and defence are intrinsically linked. We still haven't found a formation or set of players that enable us to attack whilst still being able to defend.

22 Sep 2018 18:46:30
I thought we played well today but just coildnt score a winner.

22 Sep 2018 18:58:52
The criticisms of Lukaku and Sanchez are justified but quite frankly we could easily have been 2 down early, and you can't blame them for that.

The game showed both sides of Pogba. For the most part he was excellent and his pass for Fred's goal was a delightfully deft touch. But then he hangs on too long, loses the ball and it leads to their equalizer.

Other than the fact that he got beaten to the byline on at least 2 occasions, Shaw looked good. Valencia, as usual, contributed nothing in attack.

22 Sep 2018 19:28:49
Yes Shaw pogba holds in to the ball too long at the wrong time, when he should be passing he takes too many touches.

22 Sep 2018 20:05:59
I don’t know why people are focusing on Sanchez and Lukaku. Lingard has been awful so far this season, but is an automatic starter. Went missing for most of today, and does nothing to support Valencia on the wing.

22 Sep 2018 20:12:58
Main problem is up top we create little and score next no nothing hence we have a good of 0. Second season with 1 striker at the club says it all. No matter what combination Jose plays they always look abysmyl.

22 Sep 2018 20:39:28
Anybody think the manager might be the problem?

22 Sep 2018 20:54:49
It's a state of limbo at utd, results and finishing positions mean jm just about keeps his job and yet we all know we ain't winning any biggies this season .
We will have weeks where we think that was a great result and others where we think what was that .
I wish it would break one way or another and ideally go on a great run and get people onboard but if not end this . Itl be clearer in the coming weeks we will close the gap up or drift into nothingness as we are approaching the point even the most optimistic start realising it ain't happening again this season .
Back the man he's earned that by what he's achieved even if you don't like how he's done it but draw a line on when it's not good enough .

22 Sep 2018 21:31:37
Good post Slate I agree with that pal.

22 Sep 2018 22:08:27
Shappy I watched a lot of him and he was a far better player than what we have seen at United.
Looks to of lost a yard imo 11 goals last season ( 8 for arsenal) compared to 30 the previous season .
3 goals for United since he signed.
Martial had scored 3 in the previous 5 games before he got dropped for Sanchez,

Premier League Previews 22 September 2018

22 Sep 2018 09:55:03
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Review Of The Day 22nd September 2018

22 Sep 2018 07:29:01
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21 Sep 2018 20:43:23
Just watched the first half of jose press conf.

Dalot not starting or even playing tomorrow but will start tuesday, his reasons are very good IMO and his whole interview (so far) is very different from the jose of last season - in a good way.

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21 Sep 2018 21:12:17
Spot on EZRS. All about managing expectations and easing the young lad into the side. I love the sort of signings like Dalot where they are very unknown but they have bags of talent and have the potential to be a vidic or Evra sort of player. Early days but he looks like he could be a very good player for us.

Nice to see the manager a bit more chirpy and enthused. Even if he is not enjoying living in Manchester, I hope to see him more positive and less tetchy. Think he knows he has the fans backing at old Trafford and during away games so this will have lightened his mood. Especially after the spurs game where I believe he would have walked if he had been booed.

21 Sep 2018 21:39:43
Couldnt agree more park!

We have had points already where i think this could have outed jose and he'd be hone already or b4 xmas.

He has come. to the fa s and seen what we are capable of if we unite as a club. Some will say his "ploy' with our fans now is for his own agenda (blah blah blah) BUT those same people are always saying jose is out for himself and doesn't care about us or our future - it can't be both, can it?!

22 Sep 2018 06:28:16
I think his reaction to the Spurs loss, and the subsequent fans reaction to him might have improved his mood. He took it on the chin and aligned himself with the fans, and in the main the fans have rallied, sung his name, and made him feel wanted. Jose is an interesting character and I think this kind of thing is important to him.

He’s also seen one of his new signings have a very solid debut giving his another option, it looks like he now has a LB that meets his needs and the team spirit looks very good.

We have a few things to sort out but as has been said several times, a few wins changes everything.

22 Sep 2018 08:46:49
I should add that the other effect of the fans getting behind the manager in this way is that players who thought they might swan around until a new manager arrived can no longer do that. They will have to knuckle down and put effort in.

22 Sep 2018 09:04:49
Good posts lads. I agree things are looking more positive but I saw some worrying signs midweek that without the two defensive midfielders we got hit on the counter too often and against a better team we could have been in trouble. Pogba's goal was a moment of individual brilliance which settled us down but prior to that it was a pretty abject performance.

I expect Wolves to give us a difficult examination today. They will defend with numbers then break quickly. They are also decent in possession so it could be a frustrating afternoon if we sit off them and don't play with energy or intensity.

I'm still not convinced we've got the correct balance in midfield. Whilst I like Fred I'm not sure how he fits in. It will be interesting to see who plays today given Matic is suspended. I'd like to see Fred play a more disciplined role and sit a little deeper next to Fellaini to help dictate the play. He's a good passer and capable of playing incisive passes into the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Sanchez and Fellani. He's also a good dribbler so I'd like to see him dribble from deep on occasions and help break the defensive line. In the games I've watched so far he's played too high, we've been vulnerable to the counter and unable to sustain attacks. I'd like to see him on the ball a lot more and back up play from deeper positions.

On a more positive note I think we can safely name 9 or maybe even 10 of the starting 11 today which will hopefully bring some consistency to our performances. I fully expect us to line up as follows -

De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw, Fellaini, Fred, Pogba, Lingard, Sanchez, Lukaku.

Let's see what today brings. Sorry for the long posts I love talking football as you can probably tell! 😂.

22 Sep 2018 10:58:41
DLIB, I get your initial point that we may have been in trouble against better teams but surely that is why any manager may change his team on a game to game basis. Horses for courses, as they say. I don't think for one minute we would have played the same team and formation if we had been playing a stronger team on Wednesday.
I think some people like this ideology that we should always play the same team, the same tactics and the same attacking style every week but in reality that isn't going to happen.
Even the managerial geniuses that are Pep and Klopp have been known to change personnel from game to game.

22 Sep 2018 12:03:09
Betty - I totally agree that squad rotation is important especially with the amount of games we play but at the moment we're struggling to find any kind rhythm or consistency. Regardless of personnel we all know how City, Liverpool or even Chelsea (under Sarri) play football. (I accept there may be slight tactical alterations depending on the opposition, however their style of play remains fundamentally the same) .

I've liked the midfield trio of Pogba, Matic and Fellaini in recent games which I think has given us a nice balance. From the games I've watched this season Fred does not provide this balance at the moment. I still think he's a good player my point being I'd like to see him play slighter deeper and dictate the tempo of the game rather than making forward runs and leaving us susceptible to the counter. We have Pogba, Sanchez, Lingard and Lukaku to do the attacking. What we really need is a pivot who can feed them the ball, back up play and prevent the counter. I think Fred can fulfil this role maybe he just needs more of a defined role and slight tweak to his positioning.

Under Jose we have lacked identity, struggled for any kind of consistency in selection which in my opinion has adversely effected results and performances. What I have seen in recent games is a slight change to our style with our full backs playing higher, Lukaku making more penetrating runs, Pogba playing with more freedom, breaking forward from midfield and generally being more involved with Lingard and Sanchez closer in support of Lukaku. This in my opinion has largely been due to Fellaini and Matic providing the team with more balance which has allowed our better players to be more involved. Despite the good result in midweek I think the changes effected the performance and I didn't think we we're as effective in both defence and attack. What we really need is to build on the last few results so we can cement relationships and patterns of play, whilst rotation is important we need a sustained run of games to get us back in the hunt. Rotation can wait for a while in my opinion its not as important as fielding a consistent team on a regular basis just yet. Small steps one game at a time. It wasn't that long ago some thought a third season implosion was inevitable and Jose wouldn't see past Christmas. That still might be the case, whilst we've improved it's still far from vintage and I get the feeling we're still always one defeat from another crisis. Now is not the time for the tinker man, consistently and stability will see us through this tough period.


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