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12 Nov 2018 14:48:28
so the Jose out talk has began again.

but realistically who could we go for. i can't think of any standout managers to come in and instantly change it.

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12 Nov 2018 15:03:42
There are none. We need to rebuild. There is no manager who can come in and wave the magic wand and fix everything in a matter of weeks.

A manager who will play modern progressive football while developing young players is what we need.

12 Nov 2018 17:07:07
Shortlist of 5 plausible names that would fit the model:

Zidane
Howe
Jardim
Nuno Santo
Pochettino.

12 Nov 2018 17:20:02
Allegri, Spaletti, Ancelloti, Marcelo Galllardo (River plate)?

12 Nov 2018 17:27:59
Zidane's playing style is very similar to what Jose does imo, sit back and hit on the counter, Jardim is average. Eddie Howe has done wonders with the squad he has, does he have that pedigree to manage Manchester United?
Pochettino is good when it come to Premier league games, but i see a completely different Tottenham team when they play in Europe.

12 Nov 2018 17:33:27
I really don't get the love in with Zoe and. I know he won the Champions League 3 times, but I don't think his style of football is overly attacking but he was blessed with Ronaldo who won games on his own. Can't remember much youth being developed at Madrid while he was there either.

I'd rather avoid him and (If we were to change manager) go for someone who actually fits what we want rather than being a big name - big names advent worked out well with players or managers recently.

12 Nov 2018 17:33:58
Marco Silva?

{Ed025's Note - keep your mitts off rohan.. :)

12 Nov 2018 18:09:03
Not interested in any manager until we have the right person in post as DoF.

Then we can set out our plans on scouting, youth development, player recruitment and style of play.

The DoF cannthen select the next Head Coach with the other Directors.

We need to be in it for the long term and get things right.

Don’t want the current manager sacked or to leave unless we have a DoF in post or ready to takeover.

12 Nov 2018 19:52:18
Bielsa? If he could speak English.
Or Allegri and the staff from the main structure of Juventus. I like the way juventus have played this season.

12 Nov 2018 20:08:43
I really like Howe but i think first the club needs to appoint a DoF and then he/ she will decide who the next manager should be. One thing i know for sure, the special one is not special anymore.

12 Nov 2018 20:37:33
Give someone like Howe a chance, ticks a lot of boxes for work on and off the pitch ready for a big job.
Same goes for poch.

12 Nov 2018 21:15:25
Shouldn’t look any further than Poch for me. Top manager who improves players, brilliant man management skills and his teams play football the right way. Don’t buy into the doubts about his trophy credentials. With all due respect, he is at spurs. They aren’t expected or demanded to win trophies year on year. United is a step up that he craves and I can see him doing very well here. Add a director of football and we have a basis to build and restructure. Ed has mentioned Paul Mitchell and that would work very nicely as I believe he has worked with Poch previously as head of recruitment at Southampton and spurs.

12 Nov 2018 21:53:46
We bemoan Jose for not being great with signings. Eddie howe hasn't exactly got a great record.

12 Nov 2018 22:28:32
Angle
Is that not down to Bournemouth owners 🤣
Doing a good job with the players he has tho .
Excellent off the pitch, modern ideas that tie to the current DNA of football ideas.

12 Nov 2018 22:37:29
Bournemouth get to spend about 35 million a season on average, and made two, maybe three signings in each of the last 3 seasons. Brooks, Aké, Cook and Begovic have been good signings. Can't think of the ones you're referring to, Angel. Maybe Ibe. Lerna's taken a while to adapt, but looks to be a tidy enough player. I can understand people having doubts about Howe's experience, but I don't think you can slate him for his record in the transfer market. Especially compared to José's last three seasons.

13 Nov 2018 06:05:57
Double standards jred? Howe’s poor record at signings is down to the owners and not him whilst our poor signings are due to the manager and not the owners? Convenient!

Zidane’s style is the same as Jose. The only reason he won 3 UCL titles was due to one person you might be familiar with. He goes by the name Ronaldo. Ever thought why Zidane decided to take a break from Real’s managerial position (probably the best seat in the world) all of a sudden? Was it down to the fact that Ronaldo was moving away and he knew he was nothing without that magician.

13 Nov 2018 07:23:43
Shan, you honestly think Zidane has such low confidence in himself?

13 Nov 2018 10:34:40
Shane
It was a joke 🤣
Who are all the poor signings?

13 Nov 2018 10:35:16
Shan mourinho also had the same guy to manage at real I wonder why mourninho failed to win even 1 let alone 3?

13 Nov 2018 12:47:54
CSM, by your logic, SAF should have won 6? SAF had Ronnie for 6 years. My post was not about Jose, so for once please take your head out of his backside.

Anyway, I am ready to bet that Juventus would be the UCL champions this season. One reason and one reason only – Ronaldo.

Moon, I honestly think that people should just sit back, relax and enjoy the game for what it is – A GAME. If you don’t enjoy it, there are tons of other stuff to be done, go enjoy that. I can't stand the fact that people have so much time to just ramble on and on and on about the absolute same thing day in day out. I bet people have had the same post repeated countless times for the past 3 years.

Guys, its just a game. Don’t make it a matter of life and death. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it please. Nobody will force you to watch. I myself have been the guilty party to this for several years but I have understood that there are better things to do in life than vent out my frustration on a keyboard. I understand that people don’t like Jose Mourinho and that’s each to his own and we don’t have to agree to like him. But atleast respect the position he holds right now – The Manager of Manchester United, the club we all love. He won't be here for a century. Simply take a break like the great Zidane and come back when Jose is gone. Just reading photocopies of posts does my head in. I used to be on this page for 3-4 hours each day. I hardly come on here anymore simply for the reasons stated. We have all lost patience as a community and I am certain that the next manager will also get similar treatment once the results go downhill.

I am not a Jose fan, I am a United fan. I watch United and I don’t care if the manger is SAF, Busby, Jose, LvG, Moyes, Poch, Pep, Klopp, Bielsa, Zidane etc etc etc….

13 Nov 2018 14:06:23
I agree with you but you never answered my question as to whether zidanes ego is so small he doesn’t credit himself fot setting records unlikely to be matched.

13 Nov 2018 14:39:11
So your solution to mourinho being a useless manager is for utd fans to stop watching us play.

About ronnie stuff, fergie won 1 and made another final in ronaldo's last 2 seasons with us, if we had prime ronaldo with us for a few more seasons don't doubt fergie would have won more, unlike mourinho who couldn't even make finals.

13 Nov 2018 14:43:40
No Moon, i don't think so. No doubt he is a good manager but i also think deep down he knew that without Ronaldo in his team, Real would struggle and ultimately he would get the sack just like the latest Madrid manager has. No manager likes to be sacked so its better to take a break.

He would ofcourse be credited for 3 UCL titles as a manager but as a human, we all know our capabilities. I am sure he never thought that he would win so much so early.

{Ed001's Note - Zidane left because he was told Bale had to be centrepiece of the side and Zizou wanted to offload him and buy some new players.}

13 Nov 2018 16:45:23
And Ed, if Ronaldo stayed, Bale would never have been central. Now i am not in the know and not challenging what you state, just stating what a normal human would.

{Ed001's Note - Ronaldo was always leaving this summer as he was unhappy and arguing over his contract. Again. And Madrid had had enough of him and decided his salary demands outweighed his usefulness to them.}

13 Nov 2018 18:07:02
Well said UA. couldn't have said it better. Moon, i hope UAs answer satisfies you.

12 Nov 2018 14:09:48
It may not have been good but it was as bad as I feared it might be.

Shaw has improved but he failed to track the run at the far post which led to the first goal. The second goal came directly from a loss of possession thanks to a cloddish touch in a crucial position. The third was due to Matic's failure to register the presence of Gundogan behind him, and react. In other words all 3 goals sprung directly from errors.

So, from a tactical point of view, the set up was not bad if one is working from the premise of first not losing and then hopefully scoring on the counter. Playing against City I would say that's a reasonable approach especially missing one of your only creative midfielders.

Going forward we were not good. Herrera not only lost the ball frequently but, as the commentators here in the US noticed, Martial and Rashford were making runs, but the midfielders either didn't pass or, when they did, it was too late. That forced our limited attack out towards the wings, or caused them to be in offside positions. In other words it was not the tactics but their execution that was at fault.

The players out there simply aren't good enough.

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12 Nov 2018 16:03:43
With pogba Out unfortunately any slim chance we had of winning evaporated. Looking at that midfield compared to city’s was so telling in how far away these sides are from each other. Straight away the first question was going to be who is going to play those passes to rashford and martial when they make their runs. We actually have three players in mata, pereira and Fred who all could have slotted in and replaced either matic or fellaini. The midfield that started was so devoid of any attacking ability or vision that it’s no wonder we had no Out ball. Nobody to link up the play. It’s alarming still that when pogba doesn’t play then we can’t play. City have lost de Bruyne yet the have the magnificent Bernardo silva to slot in. They even have Gundogan to come who who would walk into our midfield. And pushing it, city have foden. They are simply a much better side, with a much better squad, much better run club with a much better manager.

12 Nov 2018 14:00:33
I don't get this current idea that Jose should be allowed to keep signing experienced players without question or second thought.

When the club signs a player they sign them on a 4-5 year contract. Jose only has a contract until 2020. So any signings we make will likely be here longer than him. So the club needs to be sure that the players they sign will be of value beyond Jose's time at the club.

Of course Jose only cares about himself and therefore, that the players are of use to him. He doesn't help progress or develop young players as they will reach a point where they will be at their best after Jose has gone.

I'll use a an example. In Jose's second summer the club was looking for a new defensive midfielder. If you believe the press it came down to two names, Nemanja Matic and Eric Dier.

Now when we signed Matic many proclaimed him to be the better player. During his first season many thought we had signed the better of the two.

However, who would still say the same now? What about next season or the season after that?

Do you feel the club will be able to move Matic on in the next year or two or will the club be stuck with a player past his best on high wages. That player and his high wages may in fact limit the club on bringing in other players.

As was alluded to during the summer, when it was suggested the club needed to move players on to free up wages and space in the squad before they could seriously invest.

So would Dier or Matic have been the better signing in hindsight?

That is all the club is doing when putting the blocks on signing players for the here and now and not ones with a future.

Also saying the manager who has spent the second highest amount in the history of world football at one club has been denied money is rather disingenuous.

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12 Nov 2018 15:19:25
That is a very good argument for having a director of football, to make sure that transfers are in accordance with a longer term philosophy. Right now that role presumably falls to Ed Woodward whose record thus far - over the course of 3 managers - is hardly stellar.

The real questions one has to ask is why are we finding it so difficult to locate and appoint someone, and is there any link between that failure and the inferior quality of so many of our signings for a period that goes back into the later Ferguson years?

12 Nov 2018 17:49:51
The fact that we didn't sign alderweireld or Willian tells me that day is over.

13 Nov 2018 03:59:18
Does Woodward get any credit for not sanctioning the sales of martial or Shaw because they have long term potential.

13 Nov 2018 06:13:05
Counter argument Shappy. Robin van Persie.

13 Nov 2018 10:33:54
Shan for every RVP we have a matic, and given mourinho's signing success we aren't going to see an RVP sort of a signing from him.

13 Nov 2018 11:24:20
Shan, their are always anomalies. I'll give you two lists of players, you can decide which you would prefer.

RvP, VDS, Zlatan, Matic, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, Blanc and Larson.

Or

Ronaldo, Rooney, Shaw, Martial, Nani, Ferdinand, Evra and Anderson.

Hits and misses in both lists, yet most would prefer we signed the second list. Younger players who we can build up, rather than older players who have a limited number of years service left at the highest level.

13 Nov 2018 12:56:42
I agree Shappy, I would prefer the second list. But that is totally down to the person at the helm isn’t it? I would go for the second list but then I would also ensure that I have the right person who shares the same mentality. When we got Jose, we all knew what we were getting into. HE should have never been here if we wanted to go down the old United way. But when he was signed, we should simply do what he wanted and make sure that we got it right next time. My point is, if Jose was not to be backed in the summer, he should have been let go and someone else given the charge. We can argue that the two old signings in RvP and Zlatan have been success at the club, Premier League and Europa.

You can also argue, that for a Ronaldo and a Rooney, we had old heads in Keane, Scholes and Giggs who could channelize the youth in the right direction.

12 Nov 2018 13:44:45
Only the three teams currently in the relegation zone have been behind for longer in Premier League matches this season than Manchester United (395 minutes) .

Wonder how Mourinho apologists spin this? Are we really the 17th worst defense in the league.

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13 Nov 2018 06:17:15
No CSM, we aren't 17th. We are probably somewhere around 25th worst defence. You take out the holding midfielders and this defence would be shipping in 5s each week. De Gea has been shielding our weaknesses season after season. We lack a leader in defence (Rio/ Vidic) who can work with these fools.

13 Nov 2018 10:31:58
So we are worst defense in the league and all of it is down to the players, so what if 2 cb's were bought by mourinho until he scapegoated one of them who by the way looked our best cb for the most time and our 3rd best player this season has been shaw its all down to the players. Mourinho fanboys never disappoint.

13 Nov 2018 13:04:34
CSM, Jose is not god. He makes mistakes like everyone else. Look at the other side of the road. How many goalkeepers, defenders did Pep buy and how many he already had? Bailly wasn’t made a scapegoat, he was made a donkey by the attackers of Brighton and Newcastle. Let that sink in. He has been atrocious this season. On Shaw, we don’t need a debate, the las himself stated that he was wrong and now has started to reap benefits of hard work, simply what the manager asked.

You just need to look at last season, the defence was among the best in the league simply because we put two MFs in front of them. We removed one this season and we have shipped in goals for fun. Can you challenge the fact that Smalling won't be anywhere near a team in the top half? Can you say that Valencia and Young would be defending for any other top team? That’s 3 out of 4 defenders.

Buddy, I am not a Jose fan. I love United and simply I respect the position that Jose holds currently. Not Jose, the position.

13 Nov 2018 14:33:50
Shan who doesn't have bad games? Remember how vidic vs torres ended most of the times. Fergie did not scapegoat vidic for that he backed him because he knew the quality player vidic was. Bailly in his first season showed he is a good player, also if his current absence is down to a few bad games, what about what happened last season? he didn't have bad games just got dropped out of the blue and mourinho cameup with a bs excuse.

And regarding smalling, valencia, young they aren't top quality but 17th worst they aren't. Who's that down to, also what exactly does it mean by respecting his position, he is a rubbish manager who has spent rubbishload of money and has 2 mickey mouse trophies in his first season to show for, while playing a turgid brand of football. He needs to earn the respect given he has not achieved much here and refuses to accept a shred of blame for what mostly are self inflicted wounds.

12 Nov 2018 12:34:22
Afternoon,

I haven't posted for some time, but feel compelled to chip into the debate that I do regularly read.

I'm going I start this post by saying that if I'm to nail my colours to the mast, I back Jose. He is clearly trying to drop expectations during his press conferences, in part I think because many of the players can't hack wearing the famous jersey. After three years, do you really think Jose has been able to build this team in his image? Whilst not he has spent money, he's made it clear his targets have not been pursued. Instead, younger players with resale value have been bought that can't do the job in a team lacking leadership at this level. Can you honestly say, Young, Smalling, Lindelof, Lingard, Herrera, Shaw and others would be his first choice? I think not. This team would look different, so different if we landed who he wanted: Aldeweireld, Alex Sandro, Perisic to name but a few.

Agreed, he has made some poor judgements. Signing Matic for example without getting the necessary players around him to make him effective. Pogba was a good buy, and Sanchez could come good but I got the impression that one was Woodward making a name for himself again.

If Jose is backed in January and we sign a centre half and right sided forward we will comfortably make top 4, providing the gap isn't insurmountable by then. Pragmatic football is the only way to play with this lot, it was the same under LVG, the defence isn't there to allow for expansive play.

Two things happen with a new leader at the back: 1) Fewer goals conceded, 2) the release of the forward players who have to sit behind the ball right now because the like said Young, Smalling, Lindelof etc have limited positional sense.

To conclude, please try and tell me that a team with a spine of De Gea, Aldeweireld, Pogba and Lukaku wouldn't be competing? Supported by the wide players and the confidence to go forward and leave the defenders to defend.

As an aside, Ed's I was wondering if any right sided players had been strongly linked? Thank you for naming the centre back targets.

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12 Nov 2018 13:20:32
2 players won't make this a good team

Why do you think 2 new players will come in and play well when all the others haven't?

Wishful thinking and nothing more, actually take the red blinkered glasses of and take a step back.

Jose isn't going to turn this around just like he couldn't at Chelsea.
It's a case of when not if he is sacked and once he is we can seriously start to build for the future .

Not every manager appointed is a success that's football happens at every club . Hopefully our next manager is the right man for the job.

12 Nov 2018 13:32:41
I agree jred.

12 Nov 2018 13:34:27
Mourinho has signed three 29 year olds (Mkhitaryan, Matic and Sanchez), a 36yo Zlatan, and a 35yo Grant. So he has been given a certain amount of experienced players who he was allowed to bring in. If they aren't leaders then who's fault is that?

Of the other 6 players signed during Jose's time so far only Dalot could be considered a youngster. Fred and Lukaku are supposed to be approaching their peaks in the next couple of years. Pogba was 23 but hardly a unknown. Only Lindelof and Bailly at 22 could have been considered gambles on younger less established players. Although it should be said Mourinho himself has proclaimed his sources in Portugal tipped him off on Lindelof, so I think we can say he is clearly a Mourinho signing. Leaving Bailly as the one who could be questioned as whether he really was a player Mourinho wanted.

Jose has signed 11 players, in fact you could make a starting 11 out of Jose's signings. Grant, Lindelof, Bailly, Matic, Dalot, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Zlatan and Lukaku.

So what do you make of Jose's United side? two have already left, and there are questions being asked of nearly all the others.

Jose has been given funds, only Pep has spent more money at one club in the history of world football than Jose has spent at United.

Is there an issue between the board and Jose on targets moving forward? It looks like there might be. But how much of that is because his previous signings have been poor investments both on and off the pitch?

You can't shift all the blame of Jose, If it was your money would you be so willing to hand it over to him based on his previous signings?

12 Nov 2018 13:50:52
Shappy and others,

What would you suggest the resolution is?

Change the manager or fully back the manager and sign off on the transfers he wants to make?

Whose to say the next guy gets to mold his team?

12 Nov 2018 14:12:33
The solution was never to hire a short term manager for a long term project.

The club needs restructuring, and by all accounts that process is underway. To fully back a manager, any manager who is unlikely to have a long or even medium term future at the club is utter madness. Especially if those signings are expensive and only short term solutions.

The money pot isn't bottomless, would you rather have the wrong man or the right man spend it?

The solution isn't a happy one, especially for fans this season.

The season is a right off, we are too far behind and require too much work to bridge the gap. Attempts to do so in January would be foolish. If the right profile of player (talent, suitability and age) is available then fine. But we know from experience they rarely are in January.

The club needs to focus on the rebuilding of the off pitch structure, identify the right person for the DoF role, bring him or her in. Then let them do the job they were hired for, let them work on who the next manager should be, let them work with that manager and scouts to identify the right players, for the short, medium and long term. Then work on attaining those targets.

Jose should stay for as long as is possible this season. However, come the final day of the season we should know who the new manager will be for next season. If Jose's position becomes untenable between now and then, then we need to look at short term options for a manager to guild us until the end of the season. Whether that is by giving people like Carrick or McKenna the job on a temporary basis or whether that means bringing in a experienced manager on a short term deal like Chelsea have done with Hiddink to bridge that gap.

12 Nov 2018 14:41:46
Jose has got to mould his team he just hasn't done a very good job of it.

12 Nov 2018 14:59:51
The simple fact is Pep bought a whole new team and has made it into a Pep's team where as Jose has to do with players not good enough for a top team and has to buy players that weren't probably his first choice and that is why it isn't a Jose team.

Dont employ a manager which isn't going to be backed propeely because you will end up in a position like ours.

12 Nov 2018 15:06:28
True Singh, I do wonder if Pep would have been backed if all the players he wanted to sign were 29 years old. I don't think Pep has signed a single player over 27?

Which might be why his board are more prepared to bring his targets in.

12 Nov 2018 16:03:31
Singh
Are you joking.
Jose has spent a vast sum of cash one of the biggest spends in world football . He has been backed.
Pep has taken city to a different level most points ever in the history of the EPL, arguably the best epl team ever .

Jose has taken us to the same points as Bournemouth and Watford .
Forget city we are no better than arsenal, spurs etc.

12 Nov 2018 08:33:01
Given it a few hours to let the rage die down.

Do our players not work on fitness? I assume the only reason we can't press the ball is that the team would be shagged after 10 minutes.

Yesterday, I watched a United team; in a derby, that had every man behind the ball? 35 yards from our goal. We were never going to lay a glove on City.

What did annoy me was that Rashford had the beating of the City CBs most of the time. He made intelligent runs between them when we tried to break and the right ball is never played. Part of the reason is that we dropped so deep that the midfield was too large. Trying to play intricate through balls from 35 yards will not work. Also, the players we have trying to make these passes. We need a player who all our game runs through. Yesterday, David Silva played on the left of a midfield three. Yet he set the pace of the game. Popped up everywhere, with deft touches and passes. Probing our defence.

We are a mile away from them. Its not even player talent. Its desire, workrate and commitment to the cause. It is also on Jose to take the shackles off. We are losing playing defensive football. i'd rather lose and have a bit of a go, have something about us. Make other teams worry about us instead of us worrying about them.

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12 Nov 2018 09:45:37
James - The way the game has evolved with better playing surfaces, the outlaw of forceful tackles combined with a lot of the physicality removed from the game means strength and power can no longer out muscle skill, technique and mobility.

Our dozy giants simply fell asleep from two crosses into the box (an area they are supposed to excel) and were passed dizzy, out thought and out manoeuvred by a superior football team.

The fact Jose turned to Lukaku to lead the line, a player without a goal in months, a player devoid of confidence with a questionable first touch just demonstrates that he's still reliant on strength and power but without giving it a platform to succeed. We're a dirty, seedy, grubby little halfway house.

Fellaini's role was bizarre why he wasn't deployed further up the field to allow us to play over their press at least trying to utilise his strength and height was criminal especially with the likes of Mata, Fred, Sanchez, Pereira in the squad. Fellaini either shields the back 4 from long balls or we play direct into his chest, letting him burst into the box and playing crosses or diagonal balls to the back post. To play him as a holding midfielder and expect him to track runners and manipulate the ball starting our attacks was madness especially when paired with the equally immobile and cumbersome Matic. Predictably we got exactly what we deserved. (This is no criticism of Fellaini by the way merely the use of him) .

We are caught in purgatory without identity or soul.

I think it's time to decide what kind of team we want to be. If we are to persist with Fellaini and Lukaku then let's play to their strengths. Let's get the ball into Fellaini, compete for he second balls, flick ons and knocks downs and play our football in the oppositions half. Let's get the ball out wide and put crosses into the box for Lukaku and get Fellaini joining him. Let's create havoc, chaos and panic. It might be about as subtle as a brick but that brick is capable of causing a bit of damage especially if there is some quality to back it up! If we have to play direct football then let's not apologise but do it properly and do it well.

If we want to play intricate football with combinations and fluidity then we have Mata, Fred, Pereira, Pogba, Sanchez, Lingard. If Jose doesn't think these players are good enough to play a passing, fluid style of football then Matic, Fellaini and Lukaku certainly aren't. Staying in the game and hoping for dead ball situations simply isn't good enough.

Without an identity how can we possibly hope to move forward and how do we identify the right players that can improve the team?!

It's time to choose one way or the other because what was served up yesterday simply won't suffice.

12 Nov 2018 10:37:14
I don't think our players don't work on fitness, I think they are a bunch of outright lazy players who'd rather glide and jog on the pitch rather than sprint back or sprint forward.

The fact that none of our players identify tiny pockets of space while defending or even playing out of defence tells the intelligence that these players have. It was somewhere in the second half, Herrera tried to press one of Silva or Fernandinho and none of the defenders followed him to squeeze the space that the player could play the pass into. That's the basic essence of pressing, even my non-experienced brain knows that.

And as far as Rashford had the beating of the 2 City defenders then I think that's a lie. Rashford is still a kid, the way he plays is a sign that he is not progressing. He's that kid in the park, who will dribble and dribble and have no end result. Unfortunately, you can't be a one trick pony in football today (him knocking the ball past defenders and beating them in a foot race) .

Our players don't look comfortable on the ball, they don't know who to pass the ball to, they think about the next pass a couple of seconds after they get the ball, ideally, when you play at the highest level, it should be the other way around.

Bringing Lukaku on was a mistake, I remember a few years ago there was a discussion about him being a top-class forward and his jump from Everton to a big club would be the platform he needs to perform, week-in-week-out. And while we may argue that Jose's system doesn't suit him, I don't think Jose's system has got anyting to do with his atrocious first-touch. The fact that he has never presses the defenders or even attempts to close them down is blasphemy in my mind.

Jose ain't going to change his midfield. Matic will play, Fellaini, when fit, will most probably start. Fred is out, Pereira can't get look in and we have zero fluidity while going forward.

United's in a mix of something really wrong, while the manager is not helping the cause by rubbish post match talks, it's the players willingness to play football that really scares me.

12 Nov 2018 13:33:02
Top post DLIB. Agree with everything you have said mate.

12 Nov 2018 13:39:29
The fact of the matter is you work harder off the ball than you do on it. That's why more often than not teams with more possession tend to be the teams winning things come May.

City work incredibly hard off the ball, however, they only have to do that for 30-35% of the match, whereas, their opponents have to work hard for 65-70% of the match. That is why they look fitter, they don't have to work as hard over 90 minutes.

We have a team built for size and power, we don't have good mobility, and as such spend most of 90 minutes chasing shadows. We need more skill, and mobility if we are to compete with the top teams.

Review Of The Day 12th November 2018

12 Nov 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 12th November 2018

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12 Nov 2018 15:08:07
Mondays are great. Always look forward to "And finally" fun addition.

Just a side note ed1, I think Lewandowski scored to give Bayern 2_1 lead and thus Bayern board members were really happy. Dortmund then came back through a True goal and then Paco scored the winner.

{Ed001's Note - ah I must have misread the reports.}

12 Nov 2018 20:12:12
Sorry for being the police ed1.

{Ed001's Note - no, don't be sorry, I am glad someone is setting me right mate.}

11 Nov 2018 21:20:38
According to Jose we did not play badly. Apparently we had a good game with mistakes.
Can anybody explain the difference to my slightly raging addled mind. I suppose that a circle is not a circle but actually a square without corners.

These sort of comments are an insult to the fans' collective intelligence.
I could probably dig out folk to insult without me having to part with cash for the privilege.

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11 Nov 2018 21:51:43
It was exactly like watching 1st vs 8th. with a home win as comfortable as you’d expect against such league standings.

11 Nov 2018 23:30:39
Compared to how we have been playing at times this season, I think keeping it to a two goal deficit, considering they just beat the champions of another country 6-0.

12 Nov 2018 07:33:33
Can you imagine Keane when city were doing the ole ole stuff? he would have put one of their players up in the air and demanded more effort and fight in the performance.

12 Nov 2018 09:02:59
What did we expect with a midfield 3 of fellani herrera and matic.

We just have to face fact that we are no one near the likes of city.

We are now top 4 challengers. Some of The players we have are not good enough the way we work is a joke no desire to win the ball back and we give the ball away far to much

Jose made a comment about stats yesterday but we cannot deny we are awful.

Long hard season.

11 Nov 2018 19:55:55
Watching city today it was very simple yet fast and accurate. They pass quickly the move for the ball and they all work, work work. It's one touch fast passing and movement all together it is great to see but it's just faster and accurate football by all players who are good at it.

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11 Nov 2018 20:37:20
They work so so hard off the ball. We are such a lazy side off the ball. We sit and concede possession by employing a low block. Not once did we press or pressure city on the ball. It was a walk in the park for them. All the other top 5 teams bust a gut to win the ball back as soon as they lose it. They all have an identity and pattern of play that they look to impose on the opposition. We place our hope on individual moments of magic or a mistake. Football has moved on from jose’s Tactics. As much as it pains me to say, city deserve to be where they are. They have so many talented players who work so damn hard. Usually you find a promotion side grafting and running more than the opposition because they are making up for their lack of quality. Yet city have combined their immense talent with incredibly high work rate. If we cannot even out work and out fight our opponents, our talent will not shine through. It is as simple as that really.

11 Nov 2018 20:55:53
They look a pep team.

12 Nov 2018 11:27:39
they are on another planet.

11 Nov 2018 18:41:36
Disappointed with the result but saw enough to feel encouraged. Unfortunately City are on top and we're rebuilding.
Classless by Sterling at the end - and enough said when Mata is the one pointing it out - but Sterling will always be just that.
Well played City, that's the new bar, same as before and same as will always be. New team hits its peak and the rest need to respond.
Onwards and upwards.
Jose is our guy and I back him 100%.

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11 Nov 2018 18:47:08
You saw enough? One shot on target and it was a penalty. Ludicrous to think that performance was anywhere near acceptable for Manchester Utd.

11 Nov 2018 18:49:03
Encouraging are you having a laugh. Gutless spineless. didn't really expect anything else.

11 Nov 2018 18:53:35
Well both replies say everything. City are head and shoulders above the rest. They dominate almost everyone. It's the cyclical nature of the game. Face up to reality and where we are, and we start again.
Not gutless, not spineless, ludicrous to be acceptable for Man United. sometimes the arrogance on here is unbelievable.

11 Nov 2018 18:54:59
What sterling did annoyed me but think back to when utd were in citys position, i remember nani and ronaldo both doing the same, i'm more bothered about the massive gap between the teams, its pretty sad when i go into a game expecting to lose.

11 Nov 2018 19:03:54
I saw enough to be discouraged.

11 Nov 2018 19:09:03
What annoys me scotbos is fans like you accepting dross. Been going since the early 80’s so knew about failure before success but at least our teams back then showed heart desire and passion. Lingard and Rashford are more bothered about silly dances and Instagram than actually showing some heart. Ship both of them out never good enough for utd.

11 Nov 2018 19:20:23
Fans like me? Wow, says it all. The unbridled arrogance of the blinkered fan. We have a bad result and all your toys are out your cot.
Last season - behind City - we were best team in the league, and 19, nineteen points off the pace. That's the gulf we and the rest have to bridge.
And by the way City are better this year than last.
But that's the kind of fan I am.

11 Nov 2018 19:29:12
You really can’t be serious. One bad result oh please. Get your head from out of the clouds. We’ve become a laughing stock and your telling me you were encouraged by that dross.

11 Nov 2018 19:31:51
A bad result. What about west ham, Brighton, spurs, drew with wolves.

11 Nov 2018 19:37:22
It's not about the result though is it? It's about the mind-numbingly, boring football we get served week in and week out. We play with 10 men behind the ball and it's only when we go down that we start to attack

It's not spoilt or arrogant to want to be entertained watching sport is it?

11 Nov 2018 19:37:31
Blackpool Red,

"We have a bad result" - does not read "one bad result". City are way way ahead of the rest. Think about that 19 point gap and ask yourself how we make that up.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal and not going to stop this City team either, so how we now respond is the challenge. Bitching and moaning I guess is your style of fan. that's what actually makes the club a laughing stock.
I'm off to watch the Pats and the Titans here in Sunny Boston.
I'll let you have the last word :)

11 Nov 2018 19:38:33
Pathetic and gutless. We were never it. I didn't see anything encouraging. Lukaku is a donkey, Martial didn't get interested and Rashford has pace but little control. City were planets away from us all over the pitch. We have a long journey in front of us.

11 Nov 2018 19:49:55
Scotsbos I get behind the team whoever pulls on the shirt even if I think their utter dog turd. I’ve spent 10’s of thousands watching utd all over the world. All most fans want is passion and desire and wanting to die for the shirt. Not too much to ask for is it.

11 Nov 2018 20:23:46
It's really difficult to see and watch supporters get used to mediocrity. This is how we fall and be the new Arsenal or Liverpool because we justify everything by stating that the next year will be our year.

11 Nov 2018 20:26:25
Taxi for Jose.

11 Nov 2018 21:00:02
In the first 12 minutes before city scored we had 11 passes 5 were successful. I mean we are the biggest in world football, we should have everything thing in place, the fans are called toxic give me a break, how do we get de gea to sign a new contract looking at the 4 average defenders in front of him, how do we attract the best players playing that crap, changes are needed all over the shop, and the worst part is it will take a lot of time, no quick fix here.

11 Nov 2018 21:04:42
It isn't arrogant to expect players and the management to give a leg in a derby match. Didn't expect a win but expected something a lot less timid than that horrible display.

11 Nov 2018 21:07:03
Sometimes I wonder if the Ed's plant wind-up posts such as the OP as it’s hard to believe any sane football loving United fan could find any silver lining to this ugly juggernaut of a cloud! Today was dire. No passion. No tactics. No leader. No pressing. No shots. No marking. No passing. No chance of top four. No more Jose please.

The performance today mirrored the Juventus game. The only difference being the absence of any luck. No free kick on the edge of the area, no poor finishing by the opposition and no own goal to seal a fortunate victory. Found out. If we can’t rely on occasional individual brilliance or opposition errors we are screwed.

So upsetting to see Sir Alex looking down on this.

{Ed033's Note - The Eds don't need to "plant wind-up posts".

Also, I think the Ed's plant is not capable of typing and submitting a post and if the Eds did have a plant it would be a Rick Simpson THC plant :)

11 Nov 2018 21:47:14
Ed, on a side note The Simpson oil is supposed to be a life saver in some cases ed but that is why the governments don't want us to use it.

{Ed033's Note - Yeah they don't mind CBD oil, which is no comparison.

 


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