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Premier League Match Preview Thursday 19th April 2018

19 Apr 2018 07:13:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Thursday 19th April 2018

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19 Apr 2018 10:48:46
Burnley has everything to play for and it will be tough for Chelsea tonight I feel. Not sure those guys will be playing for Conte as well since he is so strongly rumored to be leaving. I just feel the home team will be too motivated and passionate for Chelsea.
On another note Ed001 I heard you will not be doing the preview soon? That would be bloody sad mate!

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate there will be a preview though hopefully.}

19 Apr 2018 13:34:09
Ed I meant I read that you will not be doing it after this season?

{Ed001's Note - you are correct mate, though, hopefully, there is someone who will be doing them instead.}

Review Of The Day 19th April 2018

19 Apr 2018 07:09:27
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 19th April 2018

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19 Apr 2018 07:54:51
Wow certainly a great read 🤣🤣🤣
Conte talking about Dykes 🤔🤔🤔. Maybe they can exchange places and I would think Conte couldn’t do a better job. What’s he trying to divert? Joker.
Rafael says a lot about our LVG. This provides good insight into how and what LVG is as a person. I am confident Rafael is good or at least he was that good under SAF. Funny he is not good enough for LVG. Bummer 🤣.

{Ed001's Note - LVG is just old skool and likes bush rather than Brazilian.}

19 Apr 2018 09:13:04
Agree 666 rafael’s comments were very telling of how things were under LVG and his man management style. I personally think it was a huge mistake to sell him he was one of my favourite players and his attacking output was much better than Valencia’s only issue was he was rash at times such as his sending off against Ribery when we played Bayern in 2010.

19 Apr 2018 10:44:07
Yeah Park I like Rafael as well - anytime better than Rojo or what we have now. Sending off aside we were always the target anyway. Most times other clubs do the same they get off but we get punished I feel. Just look at the Nani situation. Anyway there will also be cases where we were shown leniency so I’ll leave it as that.
But I really cannot get myself to defend on any criticism of LVG as I just think he is worse than Moyes. Moyes is nice person but lousy manager and LVG is okay manager but I don’t like his demeanor. Those two didn’t help us to be honest. We just went spiraling downwards from there. Sad.

19 Apr 2018 13:09:06
In fergusons last season at United I remember him being one of our best players. He was very good against Ronaldo in the Madrid games and looked like he was going to be a great player. Anyone know how he’s doing at Lyon?

19 Apr 2018 14:17:45
He had a great season caolan in fergie’s last season. The best one for us. His goals against Liverpool and QPR was very memorable. I think he’s doing well at Lyon but don’t know too much. Andy mitten wrote the article and it looks like Rafa is loving life in Lyon.

20 Apr 2018 07:57:18
He should never have been sold. By all accounts lvg has very poor people skills. If any of you have read the biography about Robert enke, Louis comes across as a total git.

18 Apr 2018 23:44:10
Boys this is a great little site for us all to talk about football. Even though I don't know any of you in person I'd nearly say you are my friends, like a little group.
Now that debate today went on a bit and 2 sides clashed nothing more.
No one was abused or insulted.
Now whether it's toxic or lvg it's gone. now we are with Jose the here and now.
I don't know whether Danny is banned or not but he is A good bloke never insulted anyone on here a good honest poster.
I hope Danny can post on here from now on.
We will have to leave the word toxic and move on,
Sometimes things get a bit heated but there's no harm in most of the posters here.
It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.
Let's debate be nice and have a laugh.

{Ed0333's Note - let’s move on and talk about football ‘ERITAGE’ mate lol

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19 Apr 2018 05:49:51
Agree leahy but do remember we don't see most of abuse and/ or toxic posts, they are filtered out. What people need to understand is stability and support is a must, we need to move in a single direction hand in hand not criticise and moan all the time. And most importantly we need to respect the editors who run, according to me, the best footballing site in the internet all for free.

So be a bit patient, moan a lot less and don't abuse anyone specially when you don't have half as much knowledge as the other person.

Rant over.

19 Apr 2018 08:28:56
Not intended directly at you Leahy.

19 Apr 2018 11:39:39
Yeah I love trawling the other sites as I’m sure some of you do, and although we don’t all agree there’s never much annamosity as there are on other platforms. Rivalry is good Hatred not so much.

19 Apr 2018 14:56:15
I didn’t even know I was banned.

19 Apr 2018 15:07:02
Leahy. No one was aggressive and no one insulted anybody. We're all passionate about United and we live and breath United. Hope Danny continues posting as I've always found his posts intetesting and intelligent.
If anyone is rude then i fully agree with Eds to remove them. I actually found the debate interesting. Non of us know the full answers but we all care about our club.

19 Apr 2018 20:08:46
Leahy, I never liked you to be honest. Sorry.

{Ed001's Note - it's the 12 isn't it? 99 and 12 just do not go together. Basic maths.}

19 Apr 2018 22:44:53
That's ok Steve, it's not you it's me.

19 Apr 2018 23:19:50
I love you, mate.

19 Apr 2018 02:32:47
With all the talk on this page being about how much of a toxic fan-base we are, I can't help agreeing. With the result on the weekend being far from good, I can understand and feel the frustration of our fan-base.

However I cannot understand why some of us are calling for Mourinho's head. We knew the person we were hiring and now that he is playing the football he knows, (and moving us up to second place) we instantly complain and criticize him for not playing the 'MU way', even though he has given his upmost throughout his tenure and has produced many amazing results (incl. beating the 2 most attractive football teams in the BPL) . If JM had done this for any other BPL side, I don't think we would see a similar reaction by the fans.

By the looks of things, the club is in a real mess right now. Ed002, since I value your opinion, what would you say the club needs to do to fix the problems we face atm? I understand that your time is limited so sorry in advance if this has already been answered or if it's to vague.

{Ed0333's Note - Most clubs would love to be in your ‘mess’ mate

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18 Apr 2018 23:14:42
Important three points and played some nice stuff in parts. Really liked our front three today thought rashford was a threat all night and martial did some nice things. Pogba was much better today kept things simple and provided another assist. Think it’s 10 for the season. Imagine if he was consistent! Would be some unreal stats. Danny higginbotham wrote a great piece today for the S*n stating that pogba is a better player when he is less involved. When he has more touches it often means he’s picking the ball up too deep off the cbs and trying to play the Hollywood ball. And that Sanchez is better picking the ball up from deep and making things happen. At first I wasn’t sure but seeing our second goal against city that is exactly what happened. Perhaps that is a solution to getting them to play in the same team. Allow pogba to make those runs beyond the striker and get him in those dangerous areas. Allow Sanchez to pick the ball up from deeper and drive forward and pick a pass.

Herrera was another one who looks to be coming into some form. And great to see Luke shaw get a run out thought he had a good second half and his overlapping runs were exactly what we have been missing. Him and martial could be a devastating left hand side partnership if given a run of games. However I expect Sanchez and young to start on Saturday.

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18 Apr 2018 21:14:42
Paul Pogba in my opinion has not lived up to expectations. He jogs everywhere and seems to lack effort.

However, his 10/ 15 mins against city where he scored 2 and the 2nd goal tonight shows what he can do by putting in the effort. There’s no doubt he has so much potential and hopefully he will work over the summer and show us what he’s got next season!

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18 Apr 2018 22:01:48
Im not arguing against your point mate BUT he has a very laboured aproach yo his type of play. SOMETIMES he looks lazy BUT has actually had a good game.

Just wanted to point out regardless of how he's played, he has a style that makes him look 'lazy"

18 Apr 2018 23:08:08
Agreed EZRS it’s perceived lazy because of the way he moves. Same happened to berbatov in comparison to Tevez. And I’m sure ozil’s running stats are higher than Sanchez this season while at arsenal. Can be deceiving.

18 Apr 2018 23:48:10
I don't think effort alone should deceive you. It's about the end result that counts. Jimmy Greaves in his hey day barely moved from the penalty area but boy could he score goals. So if Pogba has a languid style but he affects the game positively for us that is what matters. Also to be fair to him if he had a really good midfield partner it would help him no end. The best teams have top pairs of midfielders playing close to each other. Think of our past teams. Today look at City Silva and DE Bruyne or Madrid Kroos and Moriches Barcelona had Xavier and Iniesta. Matic is great as a defensive shield but he plays too far away from Pogba.

19 Apr 2018 10:50:43
I remember one of the eds saying as soon as we sign him that we would have to get used to he's playing style, and he may look lazy he plays in bursts in a game. Or something along those lines.

19 Apr 2018 22:39:36
Scholes said it the best, you can't be a united midfielder wanting to win things and only play well one in three games.

18 Apr 2018 17:04:20
Sent by accident.

To continue.

What did the fans labeled as toxic do. And how was it allowed to happen?

I searched this site tons at the time to try and figure it out, but beyond the broad concept outlines I couldn't find any details and like many others we're really curious and interested to find out.

Does any other posted have any more details or can they find posts where 02 explained it?

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18 Apr 2018 18:10:08
I believe just constant moaning about how rubbish we were, people like me calling for LVG to be sacked, and general consistent negative comments. Stuff that fans of clubs like Everton and others are doing right now, but our complaints were 10X more appropriate. I also read people connected to the club were not happy as well, which I think carries a million times more weight than 'random aliases' bitching and moaning for good reason online.

Imagine if Woody and Co were at Arsenal instead of Utd, Wenger should be counting his lucky stars.

I have no reason to doubt the long terms plans were in place and they were ruined, I think they forget they run a football club though and our club reeks of weakness, indecision and desperation - so what stock to put in those plans is questionable and why do you have to go through football hell to reach football heaven, it confuses me?!

I'd really love to see what sponsors, broadcasters etc were saying to the club behind closed doors under LVG - that will not have been helpful either I imagine and again will have been a lot more toxic to the club as it hurts their bottom line rather than just 'feelings'. Truth is vorboten it seems in this day and age if it is anything other than positivity!

18 Apr 2018 18:14:54
Type toxics into the search engine and go back to dec 15/ jan 16 its all there still, ed002 predicted what would happen so i'm not sure why people would question him, whether people agree or not us fans just need to accept it and move on.

18 Apr 2018 19:27:20
You talk my language Beast. Sick of people who are ok with mediocrity.

18 Apr 2018 19:27:42
I do recall the warnings of what would happen if fans pushed for a LVG exit. Don’t get me wrong, the football was really poor but I was happy to know Max Allegri was coming in and the club had a plan. Again I do love Jose and he’s a great coach and would love nothing more for it all to walk out but obvs isn’t all rosy. Wonder if the club has plans beyond Jose like it did beyond LVG?

18 Apr 2018 20:58:35
Or jusr search on google on the word toxic and use your logic to understand what a toxic fan would sound like.

18 Apr 2018 21:24:18
Singh, that's bit unfair. Are you telling me a few fans complaining made all the difference? That doesn't make sense, although if 02 says that's what caused it I'll believe him.

Or was it the majority of the fan base being very unhappy with performances?

The way "the toxics" are frequently referred to makes it sound like something more than just general dissatisfaction.

I've reviewed the posts from 2015/ 16 and 02 clearly explains the situation with lvg, Allegri, long term plan etc and that "the toxics" are ruining it and forcing the board to completely change their plans.

At no point is it explained exactly what that means.

Take arsenal as an example, look at the negativity Wenger gets. Is that the same thing? Were a large portion of our fans worse? Is it something more? If it's the same thing, the arsenal board haven't got rid of Wenger, so why did our board listen to a bunch of unhappy fans?

This is what I mean when I say it doesn't make sense and I don't understand it.

18 Apr 2018 23:07:35
None of us understand it, i think it’s best we just move on, the term ‘toxics’ is pretty offensive to be honest and hopefully it is aimed at other people we don’t know about rather than us on here. The debate below ended in some pretty nasty things being said that were uncalled for and really not needed, I’m hoping Danny Lancs still posts on here as he’s one of the best we have and has some very good points and debates.

What happened is in the past, we didn’t do the plan, we move on.

19 Apr 2018 10:25:21
Red D nothing personal. Just tried diffusing the situation. Forget about everything and move on.

Enjoy the sunny weather this week.

18 Apr 2018 17:02:20
Guys, can you try not to annoy 02 too much. He's the best source of info we have and we don't want to lose him again.

Onto the actual debate down there, I'm somewhat with a few of the posters who say they don't understand what happened.

What I do understand from 02, is this.

1. We have lvg.
2. We have a long term plan involving 1 more year of lvg and then Allegri.
3. Fans somehow mess up the clubs plans.
4. We fire lvg and get jose.

That much is clear from 02.

What I, and it would seem a lot of other people don't understand is point 3. What did the fans labeled as toxic do? And how.

{Ed002's Note - You don't need to worry about annoying me. It is clear it is pointless that explaining detail about the club is a complete waste of time here, providing any non-transfer related information is a waste of tiem and in all probability providing transfer inforation going forward might well be futile as well.}

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18 Apr 2018 20:24:02
well done! probably surpressed any viable info from ed002 for the the upcoming window.

THE issue is, this was in the past and cannot be changed, what is important is the future.

18 Apr 2018 20:51:22
Really? You think that post from me has stopped 02 from posting anymore? Not the debate / argument below. But this post?

This is the banter page. Why on earth would discussing how our club has ended up where it is be a bad thing? It's not like I was rude or argumentative, I was trying to express a confusion that I think a lot of people feel. I'm not even trying to challenge anything anyone has said. Just clarifying what I don't understand and asking to be pointed to where it was previously explained.

18 Apr 2018 23:07:57
I agree with you Red, I don’t think asking for a reminder of what was written 2 yrs ago is too much of an ask really but there you go.
Also 2 yrs is a relatively long time so you’d hope a new contingency plan has been put in place not just ‘oh well the plan didn’t work so we will just fly by the seat of our pants now’ - the club must have an idea of what comes next, and it would be reassuring to get any insight as to what that may be.
For me Mou has given us improvement so I’d go another season to see what he can achieve. It’s sad to hear he’s unhappy etc in Manchester as I always thought the narrative was the Man U job was the one he always wanted and aspired to, I wonder when that changed.
Hopefully we can win the FA cup and finish second then kick on next season. A couple of signings will be important but Morris for me a solid pre season where we gel as a squad and settle on a style of play for next season.
Time will tell.
Also I’d love a cheeky enquirer Re Eriksen from spurs as I read he asked his agency to scope out bigger teams.

18 Apr 2018 16:50:32
I've become so frustrated with the idea of united selling martial. Yes he hasn’t been consistent in terms of form, but he was one of united's best this season in terms of output. I’d dare say that at one point this season I would’ve picked him over rashford (if forced to choose) .

My frustration boils down to the fact that we shouldn’t have purchased Sanchez with martial displaying increasingly better performances. We now stand to lose, in my opinion, one of the biggest talents we’ve had in quite some time. I loved the idea that martial rashford and lingard could form a devastating front partnership, if given time to gel with one another, but we are making snap decisions, which is pushing our club further and further back.

To those that will argue in Sanchez’s defence, I don’t disagree with you, on his day he is a game changer, but imagine if we had panic bought players which pushed ronaldo, or giggs (depending which era you choose) out of the team, without given them a chance to develop. I remember ronaldo wasn’t too dissimilar to martial in his early united career, some games he would look like a world beater and some games he would flatter to deceive.

However, we stuck with him and he turned into quite possibly the greatest attacking threat of our generation. I worry martial won’t get the same opportunity cause we are pigeon holing pogba, sanchez, mata, rashford, lingard and martial into about 3-4 positions, when pogba and Sanchez haven't done enough in my opinion to warrant inclusion.

I also agree that Sanchez is trying his arse off in most games and I agree that the players around him aren’t helping, but martial was managing well with the same level of performance and Sanchez hasn’t proved to be much different, expect that he is nigh on 30 and martials best years are in front of him.

I’m not trying to pick on Sanchez cause I would’ve loved him 4-5 years ago, but we bought martial and we have rashford, both of whom were almost competing with each other at the beginning of the season, which I though was phenomenal for us, but we had to go and buy Sanchez just cause city wanted him. He is in danger of turning into another di Maria and even if he does come good, we don’t have much time left with him.

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18 Apr 2018 17:04:28
He doesn't smile so he can go for free as far as I'm concerned.

18 Apr 2018 17:04:58
In my opinion you need 2 players in each position to challenge.

We have not yet seen the best of Sanchez and cannot just write him off because all season we have been inconsistant.

If martial doesn't want to stay and earn his right to play in the team then let him go. To be a world class professional you need the attitude to go along with the ability.

{Ed002's Note - The referee would notice the extra players.}

18 Apr 2018 17:17:56
I’m not writing Sanchez off by any means but realistically we could potentially (if Jose has a change of attitude ) have two or three really good years out of him and we’ve bought him to compete in the left position, when we already had martial and rashford, with martial in particular looking better for us this season. I can understand his attitude to be honest. First he lost his place to zlatan and lukaku and now to Sanchez, after he has been moved from the striker position (although I think lw is better suited to him) . If he doesn’t want to stay then I agree we should let him go, but knowing his luck, he’ll have an amazing end to the season on the right side of our attack and we’ll bloody sign bale.

18 Apr 2018 19:54:13
😂 Ed.

18 Apr 2018 23:03:26
Gotta luv 002.😁.

18 Apr 2018 08:54:51
Nice but of gossip for you but Jose has not block booked at he Lowry beyond June this year.

Now clearly thus means he could be moving to a house, or just waiting for the offer from Paris to arrive. Who knows. All we do know is this marriage of convenience continues for now between him and the club.

I for one think he'll be gone for the start of he 19/ 20 season and Poch will be in place.

{Ed002's Note - There have been several offers from PSG already Eric - and there won't be anymore in the short to medium term.}

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18 Apr 2018 11:12:42
Eye opener Ed002 😉.

18 Apr 2018 12:46:41
What is the obsession with Poch?
If we wanted an Argentinian spurs manager who plays attacking football but can't win anything Ardiles would be cheaper.

18 Apr 2018 14:02:46
Pochettino is a good manager, and his team's are entertaining to watch. I wouldn't be against him becoming our manager. There are questions about can be win things, and they will continue until he does. However, I am prepared to give him a little benefit of the doubt as he is managing a team that historically struggles in the most competitive league in Europe. He consistently has Spurs punching above their weight. Unai Emery will win the league this year to go along with his Europa league titles he picked up at Sevilla. Would people want him over Pochettino?

There are some good young managers about, Jardim, Tuchel and Marcelino is doing impressive things with Valencia atm.

Pochettino is a good manager, but he isn't the only one.

18 Apr 2018 14:12:59
Agree shappy I don’t think that we should discount someone because they haven’t won anything. I don’t think that should be the most important criteria. We have done that with Jose and LVG and we haven’t set the world alight with the style of play. I would be happy with Poch, jardim or even fonesca at Shakhtar who has done really well there beating city in the group stages. I have a feeling Carrick might become an option when Jose goes. Just a hunch obviously there is no guarantee. But if the club think he were to be the right option then that would be a risky but potentially fruitful appointment. I like Poch, I like the way his teams play and I like the way he carries himself. Seems a very good man manager m. He has been found wanting in big games tactically though which is a concern. But with united budget I think he would have done better than Jose.

18 Apr 2018 15:19:46
A friend of mine, lenny henry has told me that he's booked the city centre premier inn for next season because they have free parking.

18 Apr 2018 16:54:48
Poch would be very good for us imo. I don't understand the argument saying he hasn't won anything so isn't right for the club. We have a current manager and our previous manager that have won the lot, but they clearly aren't fit for purpose imo. If anybody seriously expects Spurs to be winning the league or CL in order to rate Poch then I think they are not being realistic in their judging criteria. Only one team can win both competitions and Spurs winning either would be a major coup when you factor in the opponents they face and resources.

It's the same thing as when people sometimes say 'George Best was not the best because he never won a World Cup', or likewise with Messi now. It has very little to do with how capable they are whether the team wins things, it's the resources and tools at their disposal both as a player and manager that has to be factored in surely - not to mention the scenarios they are in!

Spurs look the best they have in my life time and I'd believe Poch is overachieving - Utd and Jose on the other hand.

18 Apr 2018 17:09:35
were on course for our best finish in 5 years.

I don't get the jose out.

We all complaining of stability yet want to get rid of another manager again. 3 managers in 5 years.

18 Apr 2018 22:05:37
Exavtly Bolger.

 


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