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02 Oct 2018 07:02:48
Reading comments in the press about some players saying they will not play for the manager. These players are paid extortionate amounts to play for Manchester United, to pull on the red shirt. Not every manager is a good one to work for but this attitude is one of the main problems and regardless what happens to the manager, players with that attitude need to be rooted out of the club in January. SAF would never have stood for this, and Gill would have supported him. Now I am concerned that the club may view those shiny, media money spinners, sorry players, are more important than the manager, yet getting rid of Mourinho now let's those trouble causers win and that sticks in my craw.

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02 Oct 2018 07:23:38
Absolutely mate, no matter what they're going through with the manager, all of the money they're on they should be performing for the fans more than anything, the fans who support them haven't done anything wrong! .

I really do find it disgusting how brutal players can be at times, I don't like Mourinho one bit and I think you'll be 10 x the team without him but whilst he is there he's the manager and they should respect that and just get on with it until something changes, unfortunately players these days have far too much power.

If any of us didn't do our job correctly in a workplace what would happen? we'd be gone, I think utd really need big changes and get players like that out asap because they're just poison to the whole club.

02 Oct 2018 09:17:10
Red man, I agree that it's a poor show front those players. However, Jose has to be partially to blame. If you consistently dig out players publicly you can see why those players don't want to play well and help that manager out. Rightly or wrongly the players know bad results will cost Jose his job. If he has alienated them to such an extent that they no longer want to work with him then you can at least understand the logic.

Sir Alex never had this problem, Pep doesn't seem to have this problem.

Maybe modern day players have a different mentality. If that is the case then it is managers who will have to adapt to 25 players in their squad not the players who will adapt to the manager. We don't have to like this brave new world, but we do have to adapt to it if we are to thrive in it.

02 Oct 2018 10:00:16
Good morning Red Man, I don't believe any professional footballer takes to the field and doesn't try and give their best. I just don't think it's in their nature. They've all reached the pinnacle of their sport because of their sacrifice, hard work and determination. They couldn't have done it otherwise. All must be fierce competitors and I bet every single one of them hates losing.

When I hear comments like "downing tools" I think we take this too literally. I think what this means in reality is the players stop listening to the manager. They perhaps become disillusioned with the managers style, tactics or instructions. What you get then it's individualised performances. They start to play for themselves rather than the team. One player might press, the other stand off. One might go forward in search of a goal, another hold their position. They're still trying but they're not playing together as a team, as a coordinated unit all striving towards the same goal. I think this is what we're seeing at Utd at the moment. Players playing for themselves not the team and not following the managers instructions. They've stop listening and that's why our performances appear so disjointed.

It must be incredibly hard for any manager to keep a squad of 25 players happy and engaged. To make them sacrifice their own needs for the sake of the team. The very best managers are able to do this and that's why they are so successful. I just don't think the players are following Mourinho's instructions anymore, that's why he likes players such as Matic, Fellaini and Mctominay because they play how he asks and do their job for team. Perhaps we have certain players that attach more importance to their own performances and desires rather than that of the team. The rub is often these players are the most talented and getting them to do their job can be extremely difficult. Have too many of these players and anarchy can ensue.

Let's see what reaction we get tonight.

02 Oct 2018 11:30:42
I mean when you clearly concede goals because a young midfielder is out of position as a center back and the manager announces it's all the referees fault, you're bound to not really want to play under him. The players need to show respect for sure, but I don't see how they aren't when they are merely attempting to point out what is wrong and then are gunned down by the manager for doing so. The pundits and the fans can pinpoint the tactical problems with the sides Mourinho is picking, I'm sure the players are thinking the same thing and wondering why those problems aren't being addressed.

02 Oct 2018 12:02:13
When you say players won't play for the manager I'm assuming you don't mean actually won't play I'm assuming you mean won't play well in order to get detiorating results and put the manager's position at risk .
If that's common knowledge and in the press it would beg a pretty obvious question in my mind . Why would a manager keep selecting players who were not going to play well in order to jepordise his job, I can think of 4 reasons, he wants to be fired, he thinks replacements would do the same, he's not very clever or the most likely he works with them everyday and duznt believe a word of it.

02 Oct 2018 13:50:55
Slate, did you see the team selection for the last game. Maybe Jose isn't picking players he doesn't think will play for him.

02 Oct 2018 14:15:26
Well if that's the case and he didn't pick players he thought would not try to win the game it's interesting he didn't believe pogba and martial were involved .

02 Oct 2018 15:31:17
If players have problems then they should raise them internally not on social media.

02 Oct 2018 16:17:38
How do we know what players from previous generations would or wouldn't have said on social media had it been about during their time?

Maybe our grandparents feel that true fans don't go online and slate their side publicly and any frustration they have with the club should be kept "in-house".

Brave new world and like it or not we have to adapt to it and accept it. Players are brands now, sometimes as much as 60-70% of their earnings come from off field activities rather than actually playing football.

So is it surprising that they aren't 100% focused on their "on-field" actions.

How many of us watch football online? How many of us know about the next best player by watching football online?

Why are we allowed to have the benefits of modern society and technology while expecting our players to live in a suspended time bubble from the 1970's?

With the advanced and benefits of modern society come draw backs and problems. You can't have one without he other.

There is an irony in coming on to a website such as this and slating a player or the manager or the club for what they say on social media. If you can't see that then you will never be satisfied.

02 Oct 2018 16:29:34
Couldn't agree more Mort I'm not defending pogba and I'm pretty sure he and Jose aren't keen on eachother but the thread was it was suggested some players are deliberately playing poorly and if so jm wouldn't pick them but pogba and martial weren't the ones he didn't pick .
Personally I think people thinking too deep instead of conspiracies could the reason we struggle not be other teams bought better players than us, we bought two poor CBS the midfield often looks slow immobile and not comfortable on the ball, have had very little right side attack for along time and our new left attacker has so far been awful so far . Our tactics of dropping everyone back means even against middle to low ranked prem teams or even championship sides we face large periods under pressure and even doing this we look like we may well concede. Each to their own theory I guess.

02 Oct 2018 16:04:34
Which player has raised issues on social media? I've seen players speak to the press hinting at issues or contradicting the manager, but that same criticism can be levelled at Mourinho, and much more so with his bullying tactics.

30 Sep 2018 13:45:55
Ed004 if you are about, how would you describe this shambles that we are in? Would you get rid of Jose now and who would you like to replace him?

{Ed004's Note - Have been busy starting a new job the past few weeks so not got to comment as much. However, the game at the weekend was the turning point for me. Everyone knows I've supported and defended Jose his whole tenure here but the weekend confirmed to me that hes lost the dressing room. I feel its time to cut our losses and move on. Im not sure Zidane is the long term solution but he would be a good option for the remainder of the season. Worst case scenario is we lose Pogba in January, players such as Martial and Shaw refuse to extend their contract, we miss out on top 4 and end up sacking Jose anyways. It feels like it is the beginning of the end for him.}

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01 Oct 2018 19:50:11
Ed004 you speak my mind 100%. I don’t want to call for the sacking of a Utd manager but every day that now passes is delaying the inevitable.

{Ed004's Note - I dont want to see him sacked but I just think its inevitable now}

01 Oct 2018 20:29:04
How’s the new job been ed? I agree completely. This weekend was also the turning point for me. Clearly he cannot get a tune out of these players so o don’t think there is any point persisting with him. Of course financially it will take a huge sum to get rid of him. But I can only see it getting worse from here on. Interesting to see how we play tomorrow. If the players show a lack of urgency again, I think a change must be imminent. However, some of these players do not deserve to wear the United shirt. Their attitude is atrocious and I won’t lose any sleep to see the back of majority of them.

{Ed004's Note - There are a lot of serious issues at the club right now. The manager and quite a few players all look unhappy to be here. Really not a good situation to be in. Zidane seems to be very popular with his players so Im hoping he can come in and help ease the tension in the club}

01 Oct 2018 22:32:51
Agree with Park 100% some players are just cold chest players, they don't deserve to wear a MU shirt. the only ones that seem to be bother with the situation is us (the fans) .

I agree with Alex Ferguson when he said that a good attack wins you games but a good defense wins you competitions, but I really don't believe in Mou´s defensive football at all.

A team as Manchester United should never just give up half of the court and wait for the other team to attack, a solid defense can be played simultaneously with an attacking set mind, and high press.

For example let's say any team plays against Real Madrid, how would any of you prepare to stop, let’s say Marcelo (who is probably one of the best left backs in modern football)? .

You can try to stop him with another left back and even you can sacrifice a left midfield and set him just to defend but eventually he is going to pass through because of his speed or would be available to send a good cross and create a difficult situation.

For me the best way to stop a player like him is to give him an attacking player to worried about, for example play Rashford or Martial; any player with good speed that can worried him and make him want to stay in his toes and be more defensive than he normally is. Attack to defend.

As I said you need a solid defense for this to work but I really think our defense is not that bad, first we have the best goalkeeper in the world (at least for me), Bailey is our best defender and should be on the starting eleven, and all you need to do is work on his best partner between Lindelof, Rojo or Smalling (jones should be out of the club years ago), on the left back Shaw is doing a good job and young is a good back up (he should not be allowed never to play again as a right back, last match was a night to forget for him) and we also have exciting young players for the position such as Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, or Demetri Mitchell, on the right back Valencia is our best players but Dalot is looking great, the only issue is that he is to young and I don't think he should play all the games because it would affect his development.

On the midfield there are many options to defend properly but you can pretty much coupe with all most all of the premier league teams with a two defensive and two attacking midfield players, i think that Herrera is perfect for the role as is Matic, and we also have good young players for the role such as McTominay.

Last season we had the second best defense of the league, only behind Manchester City a team that defends itself by attacking, a team that doesn’t have better playeres to defend than as. I'm not saying we should play Peps Tiki taka but there are other types of attacking football that coupe with MU style and most important with our players.

We have a lot of speedy young (stamina) attacking players that with a little training can do some high press, try to force an error, a bad pass or a divided long ball for our defense to take control again, and if the team need´s them, they can fly back to help the defense.

I know this sound allot like FIFA talk but we should be playing better with the player we have. But if a player doesn't want to be on the team there is no sense on having them, no one is bigger than MU, no player, no manager, no one.

I know some fans want for as to lose tomorrow, and hope that that is the last drop that would sack MOU, but I just can never wish for MU to lose. So please let’s all back united tomorrow and hope for a good result.


02 Oct 2018 09:44:23
I am hoping that the players turn up tonite in the CL. Looking / comparing JM's final games at chelsea saw a way too similar pattern of attitude and performance but before he got sacked in December, the cl performances/ results showed a differnt tale to the league.
i think the nail in the coffin could be a bad result against newcastle who are at best a championship side impersonating a premier league team.

01 Oct 2018 12:24:08
Hi all, missed the weekend after having a near death experience, when my 16yo son found me barely conscious and coveted in vomit, my toungue swollen to twice its size after taking an allergic reaction to some meds.
He stripped me cleared my airways and called an ambulance.
So i'm not too bothered about the mini crisis at old trafford just now.
Suffice to say life is short i'm lucky Jack found me when he did and i'm lucky he at 16 had the skills and presence of mind to be calm and know exactly what to.
For me the sun will come up tomorrow and that's all i care about at the moment.

Looking forward to the valencia game tomorrow. Was meant to be going but my brother in law got my ticket now. let's hope for a positive reaction from the players selected.

{Ed007's Note - That's heavy, Ken but it's good to hear that you're OK and well done Jack 👍 You're lucky it wasn't your wife that found you though with your tongue that size 😜

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01 Oct 2018 12:46:53
OMG, ken mate that's pretty intense and puts everything else into perspective. Hope your recovering well, and get your lad a pint.

01 Oct 2018 12:48:11
Ha ha bond. i thought i heard her akin n the doctors if the could fix the rest but leave the oversized toungue.

{Ed007's Note - It's good that you can joke about it but that must have been scary stuff for your family mate.}

01 Oct 2018 12:55:59
Scary stuff Ken, but glad that you are ok. Well done to Jack - you must be a proud as well as grateful dad.

01 Oct 2018 13:33:09
Wow Ken. Puts a lot into perspective. Glad your okay.

01 Oct 2018 13:47:53
Sheesh Ken hope you are alright mate. Very brave and clever of your son to know what to do in that sort of situation. Makes you realise football is just a game and there is way more to life. Get well soon as this site is a much poorer site without your input.

01 Oct 2018 13:51:34
Glad your ok pal.

{Ed001's Note - get well soon ken!!}

01 Oct 2018 13:53:07
Ken brother glad you are ok. Gosh reminds me oh my recent heart ops as well. Life is too delicate and I am so glad that you are back recovering. Glad we have kids at hand looking after us oldies 🙏🤦‍♂️.
Let’s try to meet up some time soon. I’ll try to pay a visit to Ireland and if you come by Singapore do let me know. We are not getting any younger and need to live life to fullest. Football is just a game and I am so appreciative of the friends I meet here (even from other clubs) .
God bless you and will keep praying for you to get back to 100%.

01 Oct 2018 14:07:12
Cheers lads. Yeah proud of my lad super calm and super son.

01 Oct 2018 14:35:23
Get well Ken. Well done to Jack.

01 Oct 2018 15:00:25
Hope your feeling better.

01 Oct 2018 15:37:11
Glad you're ok Ken. Terrible experience, but luckily your son did the right thing.
I used to work for BP in the 80s and had training in CPR. I have used this 3 times, once on my 2yr old son at the time, and most recently on a friend in a restaurant, who was choking to death. Luckily it worked every time.
I would strongly recommend for anyone to take a first aid course.
As for United, i don't care anymore, i just hope the problems are sorted and the manager and players take responsibility and behave in the manner required from a United employee.

01 Oct 2018 15:49:21
Get well my friend. Glad your ok now. well done jack.

01 Oct 2018 15:51:03
Wow Ken, I hope you are recovering well mate and top work by your son.

I swear I thought there was going to be some punch line about the West Ham game in there until I realised you were serious.

Get well soon and you must be very proud despite going through a scare like that. All the best.

01 Oct 2018 16:10:32
Hope your in the mend Ken. Horrible to hear.
What a legend your boy is. got to be worth an award. You must be proud raising a level headed lad.

Wish you and your family the best.

01 Oct 2018 16:24:11
Hope yr well now mate and the lad done amazing most people panic.

01 Oct 2018 16:56:27
Jesus mate! I'm glad you are ok mate that sounds rubbish scary.

01 Oct 2018 17:23:32
Hope your ok Ken. Get well soon fella.

01 Oct 2018 17:40:09
Glad you're ok mate.

{Ed025's Note - yeah all the best ken mate..

01 Oct 2018 17:51:59
Christ mate. Get well mate. Forget about Uts for a while.
Yoill be gettjng your lad a few beers and a lapdance then 😉.

01 Oct 2018 18:26:44
At 16 MH he has earned his stripes. 😂😂
Totally on the mend now.
Cheers for all the good wishes.

Its like i said when i went over to play that match earlier this year. I walked into a dressing room having not met any one of them before but it was not like walking into a room full of strangers it was like walking into meet a bunch of old friends.
None of us agree on too much but the community spirit on this site is second to none. Its like a familly. Sure there are a couple of 2nd cousins twice removed that are a bit potty 😂😂😂 but they are still family all the same and your still happy to see them.

On another note ill be posting an article as a self confessed jose fan called the '7 Deadly sins committed by jose since becoming Manchester united manager'

Yeah i know there is more than 7 sins he has committed but these are the sins that to me personally are the main reasons why i will not be sorry when he is gone.
I really look forward to the debates i hope the article will create.

01 Oct 2018 18:34:12
Scary rubbish mate, just over three months since my heart attack. I am only 44. Not been to OT as don't want a repeat.

01 Oct 2018 18:47:27
Get well soon mate.

01 Oct 2018 18:52:20
Jaysus Ken, thank God you're okay pal! And fair play to that young lad of yours. he deserves immense praise. Although a scary moment, I'm sure you are very proud. And I hope he can be proud of himself.

Hope you see a full recovery bud. Wishing you all the best.

01 Oct 2018 18:54:55
Here here ken. Look forward to your article.

01 Oct 2018 19:34:32
Blimey ken, glad you’re ok. Top marks to your boy for looking after you. Hope you’re good now.

01 Oct 2018 19:36:05
All the best ken awful news tu hear. Hope you are feeling 💯 percent soon.

01 Oct 2018 19:56:03
Get well Ken!

01 Oct 2018 20:15:46
Thank god your son was there and able to stay calm in what must have been a frantic situation.
Wishing you all the best in your recovery.
Sometimes the football rivalries, banter and abuse takes a back seat.

01 Oct 2018 20:40:33
Glad you are ok, severe allergic reactions are very serious and glad you came through it.

01 Oct 2018 20:57:16
Get well Ken! Your son is. Blessing.

01 Oct 2018 20:57:22
I had a quadruple bypass a couple of years ago and watching the current incarnation of Utd is certainly trying, many a time my other half will make her way upstairs after hearing me shouting obscenities at the screen after yet another chance is missed or another lazy pass goes astray, it's not good for anyone's health. Glad you're ok Ken and praise to your lad.

02 Oct 2018 07:33:03
Bloody hell ken thank god your son knew what he was doing and was around at the time, get well soon mate.

02 Oct 2018 09:05:01
GlD you’re better Ken. very proud dad, the boy did good.

02 Oct 2018 09:45:48
glad yer on the up Ken mate- look after yerself.

02 Oct 2018 09:57:51
Just to add Ken, all the best, hope your ok and recovering well. Life is precious, good job we’ve got lovely football to watch 👀.

02 Oct 2018 11:09:17
Ken you're lucky the young fella just didn't think you were in your usual weekend state after bashing the whiskey lol, all joking aside mate i'm glad you're ok, and hats off to young Jack for his prompt actions.

02 Oct 2018 16:07:40
I'm glad to hear you are better. Well done to your lil man!

01 Oct 2018 10:50:46
Having read all the posts over the weekend it strikes me we have become a particularly divided and mutinous bunch. I stand guilty as changed. I'm more culpable than most having previously been an avid Mourinho supporter. My mood darkened by another terrible result and abject performance. Unable to see light at the end of the tunnel I allowed myself to fall into a deep depression and sharpened the knife. This isn't good enough right?!

I stand by my posts, I don't think Mourinho can halt this malaise but maybe he didn't need my dagger in his back. This forum is the perfect place to vent our anger and frustration away from prying eyes. The Ed's may laugh at our fickleness, other supporters may take enjoyment from our pain but it's our safe place and we can speak frankly and honestly to each other.

It strikes me that in times of trouble our Club needs our support more than ever (even if most of it is self inflicted) .
We are not victims! So on Tuesday night I will take my seat and sing louder, cheer harder, clap faster. If our manager is unable to motivate our players, if they are unable to inspire themselves then it's incumbent on us to do it for them. We will be around long after Mourinho, Pogba or even our bewildered owners.

If the players and manager can't come together for the fans despite unwavering support then they will meet their own fate. Let's not give them another excuse.

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01 Oct 2018 11:12:55
DLIB, that is all very deep mate. But I think that in times of adversity, if you can even call it that, a bit of perspective is needed. At the end of the day, we are talking about a game of football.
There are far more important things going on in the world than United losing a few games of football.

01 Oct 2018 11:43:23
Spot on Betty a little perspective it's exactly what I need! Your right again keep it coming 👍.

01 Oct 2018 15:41:37
So who are we going to get once we've sacked "the sulky one'? 😅.

01 Oct 2018 10:46:15
Away from Jose and Pogba, anyone see what that fool Richard Keys said about Keane? 😂😂 can't take a man who called Henry 'just a goalscorer' serious, absolutely person.

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01 Oct 2018 13:49:36
I’m convinced he is just doing it to be a WUM and to make himself relevant again. The guy is a tool 😂.

{Ed001's Note - spot on mate, that is exactly what he does.}

01 Oct 2018 14:52:34
Definitely park, he's just ridiculous.

01 Oct 2018 16:58:37
It just goes to show how messed up the world is when that hairy palmed misogynist can still get a job in the media.

02 Oct 2018 15:15:24
Terrible, though Andy Gray and Jason McAteer weren't bad, watch the bit they did the next day on Scholes, Gerrard and Keane fs, he was awful again.

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30 Sep 2018 22:57:38
I've been one I'd the first to defend Jose, as I was one if the first to defend lvg.
I totally agree with Gary Neville that the hierarchy have failed the club absolutely.

However I must say Jose has kind of lost the plot in a way aswell.
Some of the team selections baffle me.
Mctominay in a back 3, young starting on the right. Lindelof getting the run he has.

Why was Dalot not starting. Kid is ready, give him a chance, it can't get any worse.

If he's going to play a back 3 why not try throwing in bailly alongside lindelof and smalling instead of mctominay, I mean does that not make more sense.

Matic has done nothing all season. Fellaini is brought in to so a job that Matic should be doing anyways, get a slated for it in the process too but Matic gets off Scott free. They are too similar, too slow, we cannot afford to play both.

On that note, why is Ander Hererra not playing. I would like to see a cm of Fellaini Hererra and Pogba for a few games perhaps. Has to be better than the slow crap we see currently.
Or hell why not Hererra, Pereirra Pogba.
It's plainly simple that Matic Fellaini and Pogba is not working.

I'd play a 3 at the back, play a high line, and squeeze Sanchez and rashers right up alongside Lukaku, have them rotating and playing off each other.
Seems simple. Wish it was.

Bailly smalling lindelof

Dalot Shaw
Herrera Fellaini Pogba

Sanchez lukakau rashford.

{Ed002's Note - No goalkeeper might be a risky way forward.}

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01 Oct 2018 07:52:08
Leave it to the pros to pick the term I say 😆.

01 Oct 2018 08:36:40
Lol luckily gk is the only position in the team that picks itself every week Ed002. Thought it was a bit of a given.

Lol pros picking the team hasn't exactly worked out in the recent past has it.

{Ed002's Note - So you think it would be OK for Manchester United to play with 12 players then}

01 Oct 2018 09:40:48
Rosspique, you seemed to have picked a 3-5-3 system 🤔.

01 Oct 2018 09:15:53
002 strikes again😁.

01 Oct 2018 11:23:02
Seems quite obvious to me lads, give Ross a break. Clearly he has Smalling in goal, with Shaw and Dalot either side of Bailly and Lindeloff. Its actually 442.
Looks good to me!

01 Oct 2018 12:23:52
I think Ross might be well and truly back in his box now.

01 Oct 2018 21:13:40

Playing with 12 players, we'd still lose.

30 Sep 2018 21:47:55
Question for ed 002, is there any plan for the club moving forward with the current situation ie. the manager's excuses for poor performances and the players not trying in games? We are been portrayed in a very bad light all over the soccer world, with constant media reports of internal fighting, surely the board are not happy with the bad publicity and poor football.

{Ed002's Note - The club are not going to have a plan that adapts to what happens during individual games nor any statements made to the press, nor any “rumours” circulating amongst fans. If results deteriorate than it should be a matter for the club to consider how they can help improve matters.}

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30 Sep 2018 21:32:10
If we don't back Mourinho and instead take sides with Pogba then we'll consistently be Pogba's and thus Raiolas play thing.

We need to move forward properly, Pogba needs to go because he's acting like a combined version of Balotelli and Joey Barton. I'd bite your hand off for £50 Million in January.

Whether Mourinho goes now or in the summer it can't be as a consequence of this rubbish.

Personally I think Pogba is slowly turning The dressing room against Mourinho hence why Lukaku is 'distancing' himself from pogba. As he gets on well with Mourinho.

If Mourinho goes based on performance then so be it and that's different argument but if he goes because of pogba then we know who the most influential Man at the club is.

We've already got a spineless board and hierarchy. Imagine how easily pogba and mino will manipulate them into getting whatever he wants at Pogba FC

Oh and my 2 cents on Mou - I still think he's the right man for the job, things are tough right now but he'll get it sorted and quite frankly the only manager I trust more left the game in 2013.

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30 Sep 2018 21:41:40
Jose' failure is due to far more than his issues with Pogba.

{Ed025's Note - i think so too daniel..

30 Sep 2018 21:53:53
Moonrinho I agree with you about pogba but you're deluded mate if you think. he can turn this round he is done we need to get rid of him asap this season isn't done yet but if we wait any longer it will be too late.
We need a manager with a modern football philosophy because we've got a good enough squad to be very good.

30 Sep 2018 22:18:55
Moorinho, are you having a laugh. Do you honestly think Mourinho is the right man? Explain to us if you can, why do you think he's capable of dping that?
Rashford- gone backwards
Martial - gone backwards
Bailly - gone backwards
Hererra- gone backwards
Jones rojo lindlehof - were crap and gone even further backwards
Mkhitaryan- bought and sold in 8 months
Pigba - brilliant for France, can't play at United!
Matic - bought and i said at the time, he'll be a liability, gone backwards
Chong, gomez, Tunazebe, not trusted to break into the team.
Mctominay, an average midfielder with very limited skill, continuously gets picked and then played into central defence.
Sanchez - regressing at Arsenal, bought and given a record breaking contract and achieved nothing to date.
The only players playing well are Fellaini, Shaw and Lingard (though lingard has been terrible this season) .
So have all these players suddenly become bad players? I don't think so. Its the manager, the training, the tactics, the poor man management, the poor transfer policy that have turned us into a rubbish team and Mourinho is solely to blame.

30 Sep 2018 22:25:16
The Pogba “issue” is just one of a string of problems Mourinho has. I’ll give it until December.

30 Sep 2018 23:04:56
I think Jose will be here until we are out of the CL.

01 Oct 2018 09:00:22
Moon mate, I agree that giving in to player power is a dangerous path to go down. However, I would say the club are already halfway down that path. How many times have the club given players new contracts after a public stand off? Keane, Rooney ect.

As for Jose, I think he is a spent force at the very pinnacle of the game. He has always looked better at clubs just below the very top bracket. He was great at Porto, at Chelsea first time round, at Inter. However, he struggled at Madrid bar one great season. At Chelsea second time around once they were established as a top side and with us.

His style of management and football suits a team that doesn't see itself as a true top side. They can buy into the cynical underdog mentality which established top sides struggle to accept.

Mourinho has always been a reactive coach rather than a proactive one. What can we do to limit the opposition rather than what can we do to hurt them.

I still think Mourinho is excellent at what he does. But I don't know which top teams would seriously consider him for their next manager.
Bayern certainly wouldn't, Juventus wouldn't, Barcelona and Real Madrid wouldn't. Man City wouldn't, I doubt even Chelsea would go back for a third bite of the apple. Maybe PSG. But then many wouldn't consider them truly in the top bracket yet after struggling to make waves in the UCL.

Jose will only get jobs at clubs that next bracket down now. Which maybe highlights that his star is waning.

Truly top sides expect more than just winning, they expect to do so with a certain sense of style, this is something Jose just cannot do.

I think his future is now in international management. Where cynical teams often prevail over flamboyant teams.

Jose was a great manager, yet he is now on the decline. Football has moved on, and he has stood still. He truly is now the underdog he had proclaimed himself to be all throughout his career.


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