Manchester United Banter Archive February 13 2018

 

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13 Feb 2018 22:47:21
What missing at present from our team is a leader who will drive us on, shout at the player when they need it and lead by example when that's needed. Our great teams had lots of those characters, now we have none. Valencia will give his all but that's not enough to be our captain.

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14 Feb 2018 00:24:43
Simply playing devils advocat here.

Who’s the loud/ vocal leader that drives the city team on?

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14 Feb 2018 05:44:20
Unfortunately just some time back I was thinking that Smalling could have step up to be that leader. How far down he has fall down to her pecking order.

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14 Feb 2018 07:32:27
Luke

Kompany fits that bill but I think it’s more than the leader issue for us. We lack intensity and drive in a few players, that should come from within and the desire to perform. What I saw on Sunday was a Newcastle team that wanted it more than some of our players. SAF was a great motivator but from a long term position of strength, the players knew they had to perform or be gone. A leader on the pitch would help, as would not having to look over our shoulders at a unconvincing pair in central defence.

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14 Feb 2018 07:49:36
What we need is a manager who plays all the players in their correct positions with the correct tactics. We also need a manager who is a motivator and good at man management. Hand on heart, does anyone believe that Mourinho is that manager?

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14 Feb 2018 08:03:18
Hand on heart, I'm not sure. I think what he's won in his career earns him a little longer to get it right than his predecessors. That's why I am trying hard not to judge him before the end of next season.

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14 Feb 2018 09:31:19
Should it not come from the manager.
Vidic and co didn't look like leaders under moyes .
Sure did under fergy.

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14 Feb 2018 12:49:28
When do the players take responsibility though? We've had certain players now putting in the insipid performances under 3 managers. All 3 managers have their faults. But the players need to step up as well.

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14 Feb 2018 16:15:04
They don't managers do .
May not be fair but that's the way it is . A managers job is to get the best out of his players.

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14 Feb 2018 19:55:31
Jred

Have you ever managed, in football or in work?

There are many aspects to management and motivation and you are doing the simple blame the manager routine.

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14 Feb 2018 20:39:36
Yer
I have red man both football and work.
And to be honest there is far more to it than a couple of comments on a banter site .

But in a simple way, managers, tend to get sacked players don't
If a team is underperforming the manager takes the responsibility.

It would take pages to fully cover the subject but this is a comment site .
But any decent manager takes responsibility for his team and is normally judged by his or her teams performance .

Just to be clear I haven't blamed anyone it's just your Jose obsession kicking in .
I just pointed out that generally (in football ) if a team is underperforming such as Chelsea when they where only a few points above relegation it's the manager who falls on the sword .

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14 Feb 2018 20:59:15
Jred

Not picking but a manager is accountable rather than responsible

SAF was particularly successful because he built an impregnable managerial position very successfully, that enabled him to use different styles of motivation. They gave Moyes a 6 year contract to try and replicate it. The players have responsibility to put the effort in but there is only so much a manager can do about motivation until they have built their position.

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14 Feb 2018 21:16:10
Redman
I'm responsible and accountable for my team in a work environment.
I disagree about motivation as well, with the right techniques you can set the tone from day 1.

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13 Feb 2018 22:45:42
City played well tonight and going forward they are really good but Basel had so NY chances to score too. Liverpool proved City are beatable. Will be interesting to see how they do against a really top top champions league team. The thing is that Madrid are in crisis, Juve have a lot of old legs, PSG are untested at the highest level and Atletico have had a difficult season and I don't think they are at the level of thir past few seasons. So that just leaves Barcelona and the English teams who might provide a test. Only Spurs I think could really compete over two legs with them. We concede too easily and are not at our best. It really could be City's season.

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14 Feb 2018 08:00:55
Hendon. I said this last year when people were making a joke out of city and Pep. And I tipped them to win the league very easily. The point is pep plays to a system that works. It is a system that has won many championships and cups at Barcelona. Now he's built a younger squad that do exactly what Barcelona do. If one is injured then another replaces him and does the job perfectly as they are drilled into the system. I also think that they concentrate more on making good openings and hence they score easy goals a lot of the time. Lastly, they work hard at keeping the ball and hard at getting it back.
I hate City with a vengeance. But I'm not blinkered into thinking that their bubble is going to burst like some on here have been suggesting.
I have zero confidence in mourinho, his tactics and his man management skills. I think we'll be playing 3rd and 4th fiddle for years to come unless the club finally wake up and appoint a manager that fits the United mould of attacking football. I can think of three obvious ones.

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14 Feb 2018 08:53:52
Who are those three?

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14 Feb 2018 09:34:36
Many on here don't rate but pep has again shown he is the best about.

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14 Feb 2018 10:29:19
I think city has installed themselves as favourites to win the champions league. This year is perhaps the most open competition in years with real struggling and Barcelona not as strong as in the past. I wouldn’t look past Bayern though. Heynckes has done really well since coming in. It’s so frustrating because if we can sort ourselves out we could be dark horses. But I think as soon as we come up against a top quality team we will come unstuck. Interesting to see what happens. But your right jred, pep is the best manager in the world, even if he has spent a truck load. He’s got city playing in a certain way and is ruining teams at will. Frightening times tbh and looks like they may dominate for a while.

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14 Feb 2018 10:46:30
He isn't the best until he wins the champions league with city and wins title after title, he is a top coach but not the best around.

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14 Feb 2018 11:28:20
I don't think theyd be dominant for a while and i don't think anyone will be . Next year his players will be much more tired b3cause of running around this year.

For them to dominate they will have to improve becauause United and the rest will be certainly improving.

Where can city improve, even if they buy 5 new players but there is only 11 players allowed on the pitch at one time and if he does buy 5 new starters then the curr3nt players wuch as sterling, de bruyne, sane, aguero and co wouldn't be happy sitting on the bench or rotate especially after performing the way they are this year.

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14 Feb 2018 11:56:49
Singh
If he wins the league this year it will be 7 titles in 9 seasons in 3 different leagues.

Who's better?

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14 Feb 2018 12:01:14
Park
Barcelona haven't lost a league game all season . and are even showing signs of trying to defend.

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14 Feb 2018 12:27:33
Champions league is a different story to la liga jred. I would put city, Bayern and PSG above Barcelona to win it. But you can never rule out Barcelona with Messi. Only thing about city is their defence is still suspect. Liverpool showed this and the other top teams will have a chance if they can finish their chances. Something Basel didn’t do last night when they did have some. Thought gundogan was quality and seems to have got over his injury problems. Very classy player.

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14 Feb 2018 12:54:43
Its easy to win in a 2 horse league like Spain or a 1 horse league like Germany where your club buy the best players of anyone who challenges. I think most coaches would be top of the league with that squad and cheque book.

I'll say he's got them playing very well. Its just a shame its City. Any other side than them, apart from Liverpool and he would get more praise. He has made it look easy.

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14 Feb 2018 13:01:13
So who's better mort . You told me all summer pep was overrated and would be found out .
But tell me again who's better?

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14 Feb 2018 13:02:34
Park
Bayer are very up and down I would take barce over them .
Been impressed with barce this season.

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14 Feb 2018 13:25:13
1) Currently he is on par with Jose.

2) in terms of pasr achievements and titles Jose is the best in the world.

3) Like Mort said he is lucky to have managed in munich and Barcelona as it is very easy to win titles over there.

4) The reason he is ripping the league apart is because our players are under performing and he bought a brand new team where as Jose had to ship out a lot of players he inherited from V. Gaal. i wouldn't mention Moyes because he hardly bought anyone.

5) Pep in herited a team that won the league 2 years before he came in but Jose in herited after few years of under performing and taming over Fergies team which wasnt really full of superstars rather ageing players.

6) its easier to play attacking football then playin jose's style as you need a lot of team cohesion and discipline, just look at our last few games to see what i mean.

Finally i would put my hands up if Guardiola wins the title this year and repats it next year and also wins the champions league in his time here at city then i will say he is better then jose otherwise he simply isn't the best around but just having a top top season like Conte last year.

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14 Feb 2018 15:48:12
Singh
So who is better than him? His teams plays the best brand of football I have seen .
His Barcelona team was the club team I have seen. And his city team are probably playing the best footy in Europe.
So at the moment who is a better manager than pep.

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14 Feb 2018 16:55:48
At the moment he is on par with jose as the two best in the world but joses team isn't performing to the level of Peps.

But on a grander scheme of things he is below Jose interms oh what he shouldve achieved with Bayern and what he actually achieved.

He took over a treble winning Bayern and left them in very bad shape he couldn't beat the best when it came to champions league football.

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14 Feb 2018 17:07:14
He won 3 straight titles at Munich.
How did Jose leave Chelsea?

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14 Feb 2018 17:30:39
Strange way to judge him isn't it lol lol lol.

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14 Feb 2018 17:32:23
Jose left Chelsea in good shape did they not win the league the year before he left and then again the year after he left. He left his last club in better ahape than he took his next one that's for sure.

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14 Feb 2018 17:55:06
Jose left chelsea 3 points above relegation .

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14 Feb 2018 22:54:46
That wasnt joses fault its the players that perform on the pitch so it was all to do with Hazard and co not playing well in joses third season.

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13 Feb 2018 22:09:31
{Ed's Note - toffeebuds has posted a new article entitled, Sam Allardyce puts his own agenda before what is good for Everton FC

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13 Feb 2018 21:39:36
Not Utd related but If Pogba wants to know how to play in a two man midfield then get the video of Dembele absolutely bossing Juventus tonight. A master class of strength, power and skill.

The pressing, movement, intensity, work rate, team work, desire and energy Spurs demonstrated tonight against a very good Juventus side is an almost perfect illustration of how modern football should be played.

A few lapses in concentration have just shadowed one of the best performances by an English team in the Champions League I've seen for a long time, it was that good.

To play like that against a team that has only lost one of their last 69 games at home was as brave as it was brilliant.

Jose take note please we want some of that as well!

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13 Feb 2018 21:55:14
Imagine pogba talent with work rate and desire .
What a cm he could be.

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13 Feb 2018 21:57:00
Was about to post the same thing. Works brilliantly in a 2 man midfield and just glides past players with his control. Never gets bullied off the ball. His only weakness are his through ball and long range passes and ofcourse his injuries.
Spurs today were a delight to watch. When Juve scored the second goal the only thing in my mind was spurs are going to get thrashed today. They put up great performance today and it made me happy as a premier league fan.

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13 Feb 2018 22:05:55
Class act has been for years.

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13 Feb 2018 22:19:25
Can’t believe Dembele only cost 5m. He was a joy to watch tonight and dominated a very good Juve midfield. Pogba has all the tools to be an even better player but lacks desire and work rate. Spurs’ pressing today was top draw and they made Juve look the away team. I wish we pressed like that but Jose doesn’t play that way. All the most entertaining sides press from the top as a team. Anyway, spurs were class and Dembele ran the show.

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13 Feb 2018 22:39:16
Juve were missing 3 very important players tonight Dembele is very good but he is not at the top table of midfielders Pogba could be if he allies desire and work rate to his undoubted talent. Pogba can see and pull off passes that Dembele can only dream about. That said well done Spurs tonight reminded me a bit of us against Juve in 1999.

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14 Feb 2018 08:08:12
Dembele was not playing in a two man midfield. He had dier sticking very close and covering. He had Erickson alongside him. And he had Dele in front of him. In addition, the fullbacks did their own share of coming inside and tackling and closing down.
The whole team worked their socks off. To blame our demise on Pogba (Playing out of position) is wrong and incorrect. The whole team has to work hard at retrieving the ball and making runs to make themselves available. But this is not the mourinho way.
Spurs were superb as were Erickson and Kane. But the team as a whole were brilliant.

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13 Feb 2018 20:37:07
If there's a sniff of a chance.80/ 90 Mill, whatever it takes, Toby Aldweirald is a must. Him and Bailey would be a dream.

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13 Feb 2018 20:39:49
Dembele is the man I would be looking at.

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13 Feb 2018 21:17:17
Both good shouts. massive fan of dembele. that engine. imagine he was bought for 5m.

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13 Feb 2018 21:21:25
Angle
Talent and work rate .

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13 Feb 2018 21:41:01
Sure is jred. Desire too. I wish some of our squad had more of that.

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13 Feb 2018 18:16:50
Manchester United's current squad is worth €747m whilst Liverpool's squad is €461m, nearly €300m less. That big difference in squad cost, has United only 2 points a head, whilst scoring 10 less goals.
Although you have conceded 12 less but that's down mostly to De Gea.

And it's all because of the constant bus parking. If you actually started playing more attacking football for all games instead of parking the bus so much, you might be a lot closer to Man City.

But as things stand, and the boring defensive displays United produce, we should be second but our ability to throw away games in the last 10 minutes is our major downfall.

Liverpool have lost 2 fewer than United but also won 2 fewer. It is safe to say we have thrown away more than 2 what should have been wins, very late on so we could and should be well a head.

Now, I go back to my earlier opinion, if United had an attacking minded manager, they would be a lot better off like Man City. United have a much stronger midfield than Liverpool which would be able to create a lot more chances for the forwards if they where allowed to.

The first few games of the season, United did show how dangerous they can be going forward.

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13 Feb 2018 18:30:39
Good assesment.

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13 Feb 2018 19:01:31
Og red who says they are worth that much? i'd say de gea apart every other player we have are worth less than we paid for them.

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13 Feb 2018 20:46:01
Some united fans point to our league position in every argument. They say we're 2nd and it's a big step forward. But it'll take only a couple of games for all that to change, we may be out of top 4. We already know that there are games against top teams where we will try for a draw. And in the bottom half of table there's some serious fight this year to avoid relegation so every team will be playing like Newcastle did against us.

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13 Feb 2018 21:16:16
Sailor is that not the same for every team .
But right now we are 2nd.

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13 Feb 2018 22:01:33
Jred our confidence looks down, and mourinho is adamant on not playing as per the strength of the player and squad. Other teams are getting more gelled in with time as the season is progressing and we look like taking backward steps.

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14 Feb 2018 01:38:22
So if just some of the games Liverpool threw away had been wins, and ignoring any of the games where utd should have won but somehow conspired to draw or lose, Liverpool would be above its in the table?

Erm, okay. I bet you study the league table just a little too much every week 😂.

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13 Feb 2018 16:16:11
{Ed's Note - Grumpytoffee has posted a new article entitled, Sam Allardyce should be manager of Everton FC next season

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13 Feb 2018 15:59:13
{Ed's Note - Park3lung has posted a new article entitled, Jose Mourinho is not getting the best out of the Manchester United team

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13 Feb 2018 14:53:08
Most of the points have been covered by you guys, so I'm not going to talk about that. But when the season started a lot was said about our team average height and the physicality of the players. I can't remember a single goal we've scored from corners this season (I hope they have scored atleast 1). TBH I'm always concerned when we concede a corner. We've had no proper free kick taker for years. Maybe someone like mata scores once in a season. If my life depended on someone scoring a penalty, I won't pick anyone from United.

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13 Feb 2018 15:49:19
spot on mate. I think we are ok while attacking set pieces but the service has been poor. Same can't be said about defending set pieces and crosses from open play.

Game against huddersfield we were trying to play through the middle and it was clearly not working as we were slow to create anything which gave them time to organise easily ( this has been the case with most teams ) . in the second half as soon as the first cross came in from open play by mata, lukaku scored.

Not against playing through the middle as it now suits most of our players but having a striker like lukaku upfront its shocking we aren't trying to cross more through the wings.

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13 Feb 2018 11:31:47
Around 10 years ago we played in 3 cl finals in 4 years.

But stalworths like rio and vidic have been replaced by jones and smalling.

Scholes and carrick by fellaini and herrera.

Neville . / rafael / evra by the likes of young and valencia and shaw.

Ronaldo tevez rooney by martial lukaku and mata.

Anyone still unsure we have a great squad?

Standards have been dropping for years guys.

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13 Feb 2018 13:35:04
Ken,

Whilst some of the players you mention have been replaced by players now deemed not up to the standard of the previous ones some of it has not been for the want of trying. Some of the players mentioned are young and have massive potential - Martial for example. Ronaldo when he left was the Ballon D'or but when he signed was a talented but promising teen the same way that Shaw and Martial are.

I fully agree that the current team is not to the same standard as the one from 2007-2009, but at that point we were one of the best teams in Europe with one of the games all time greatest managers. Its a standard the club should aspire to reach again, but the club is showing the signs of trying to get there. Bar Tevez, from the players you mention above all were given the time to grow into the Club and become great players whether promoted from the youth system or bought in.

Modern day football is blighted by short termism. Yes we are behind City at the moment and the football being played is at best good but inconsistent and at worst disinteresting, but knee jerk reactions and chopping and changing everything might not prove any better.

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13 Feb 2018 13:44:53
That's just stupid.

Rio and Vidic have been replaced by Bailey and Lindihop (one excellent defender and one with a lot to prove)

Scholes and Carrick - Pogba and Matic (most expensive cm on the planet and a proven EPL winner.

Rooney Tevez Ronaldo - Sanchez Lukaku Martial (perhaps not the same league, but a potentially top class attacking trio by any standards) .

We have some top class players, but the performances aren't where they should be. However, making false equivalences to previous teams is just a bit sad.

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13 Feb 2018 13:58:07
Danny,

Have to agree, the first thing I saw when I read this was Herrera and Fellaini replacing Scholes and Carrick and just wondered who the 2 players were that were better than Scholes and Carrick back then as we have 2 midfielders better than Herrera and Fellaini now.

Weird comparisons to be honest Ken, I get what the narrative is but the points to back it up are way off.

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13 Feb 2018 14:52:49
Sorry ken disagree with that. As Danny has stated above we haven’t got as bad a squad as everyone thinks. Granted that 08 team was one of the best this league has seen, we have some very good talent at our disposal now. But Jose is not getting enough out of them. I agree with the narrative we are not at the level we should be. But I disagree that this squad is not very good.

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13 Feb 2018 14:54:44
Pogba replaced fellaini essentially but fellaini replaced scholes in the squad and herrera really replaced carrick and matic replaced herrera idnt see your point gds. jones and smsllung eere brought into replace rio and vidic yeah?
Im assuming you agree on tje full backs.
On the forwards i'm saying what's here now v then thete have been too many inbetween.
The club has seen the mistakes of bringing in fellaini and herrera to replace dcholes and carrick so bought better in pogba and matic and yes now we are 2nd so its improving.

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13 Feb 2018 14:46:44
Hi becks. I agree with a lot of what you say there.
But kneejerk? This will be 5 seasons without a title challenge.
5 years of poor football.
Smalling and jones have been here for 7 seasons and as they play more often our position gets worse.

Fellaini is a great professional and gives his all but in 5 seasons his presence has not improved the team blind the same for 4 seasons darmian 3 rojo 4 there is no knee jerk reactions there.
Valencia and young are 33 its hardly a knee jerk reaction to be looking at replacements.

I would keep shaw herrera and martial but bring in top quality players for them to compete against and let the best men win.
Its a squad game and imo we have too many players that i would consider squad players or 2nd choice players starting every week or more often than not.
We also need our best centre back back fit and our big players pogba lukaku and sanchez to play at a higher level on a regular basis.
The team lacks a leader imo. A player that sets the standards and insists on those around him that they come up to those standards.
Its ok developing youth but they have got to have players ahead of them to learn from.

For example in the juve dressimg room pogba had chillini pirlo buffon and the likes to keep him straight.
Rooney and ronaldo had rio keane scholes neville etc
Winners that rooney and co all followed and wanted to win more than them.
We lack quality and winners and most importantly winning or big club mentality and experience in our squad. Matic and sanchez bring that we need a couple more.
If we want to get the best out of pogba lukaku bailly lindelof shaw jessie gomez tuanzabe, mctominay rash martial who are all under 24 and not yet mature enough to be the 'leaders of the team but have all got the potential to grow into leaders, we need to surround them with 4 or 5 more players of the level of sanhez matic ddg mata.

Not surround them with the likes of darmian blind jones smalling fellaini and rojo.
The under 24 brigade i mentioned above all 12 of them have lots of talent. Many of them cost a lot of money. But they are not yet ready to be the backbone of the team imo. They need ecperience around them top class experience.
Honestly its not all doom and gloom.
We have those 12 plus ddg romero valencia matic sanchez mata
A top cb to compliment bailly lindelof jones tuanzabe
A solid matic understudy
A top rb to replace toni
A top cm to compliment pogba
A top rw to compete with mata.
A top lb to compete with shaw.
players linked to us that i think fit the bill.
Cb varane.
Matic understudy and rb fabhino
Cm. Kroos / jorgihno/ savic
Rw bale
Lb sandro / rose / tierny
Release on free fellaini young carrick
Sell darmian blind smalling and rojo

None of that is knee jerk becks its all based on what I've seen in last 5 years mate. Just my opinion. Its not a major overhaul. The base is quite solid just think the squad needs some under pinning.
The most important thing is to sell those dragging the levels down. Get them out keep carrick as a coach but get a few proper senior pros in. I think it likely you will see less snap chat and more snap crackle pop.

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13 Feb 2018 15:37:52
Park name me our good defenders.
Name me our good midfielders.
Now for me good is if you need them to play 20 plus games we still can win the league.

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13 Feb 2018 15:44:51
Vidic and Evra both took a year to grow into the team, and as much as Vidic is praised, and for good reason, against some of the best teams/ players he was shown wanting. How many times did he get red carded against Liverpool? Besides which I'd rate Valencia as an improvement on Rafael, and Shaw is still re-emerging after an horrific injury and has the potential to be every bit as good as Evra.

You mention Scholes and Carrick but not Darren Fletcher? Scholes was brilliant but he was the last of his kind, a lifer who started out in the academy and stayed with the club until retirement. The other two were excellent players but it was not their brilliance or otherwise that was relevant so much as the way they fit into a team, and the heart they gave to it. Arguably Matic, Pogba and one new midfielder next year could be the equal of them. And as for the forwards, I think we might have an excellent group in Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku, and Rashford, although, as yet, they do not seem to be in sync. It's kind of understandable given the recent addition of Sanchez and the poor form of Pogba behind the forwards. So, yes, they have yet to prove themselves. Do we have a Christiano level player? No.

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13 Feb 2018 16:01:08
Rio and vidic have been replaced by bailly and maybe lindelof and most likely another cb coming in summer.

Scholes and carrick have been replaced by Matic and Pogba. Its fletcher and anderson who have been replaced by herrera and fellaini.

rafael was never actually better than valencia has been only had potential to and given he never fulfilled it its a moot point.

Ronaldo is a once in a generation talent you don't find those every other season, the others you have listed can easily be replaced by the players replace by the players in our squad today.

Its funny you mention standards dropping while conspicuously failing to mention any of pogba, matic, ddg or sanchez.

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13 Feb 2018 15:54:36
Attacking wise I think we are ok ken. Bailly is a good defender just struggles to keep fit. Jones and smalling are not good enough I agree. Lindelof has potential and j wouldn’t right him off yet. But I would be playing him in every game till the end of the season so that he can get used to the rigours of the league. Rojo is a decent understudy and Tuanzebe is immensely talented. We could do with one more top quality cbs. But let’s be honest how many defenders out there come close to Vidic and Rio? Those two were the best you could get and I ask you to name me 5 defenders that on their level currently in world foootball? I think you would struggle as there is a serious lack of quality. And if you could name 5, how attainable are they?

I agree we need another quality right back and a left back to compete with shaw. In midfield, Herrera matic pogba are good enough but we need two top quality additions. I would re integrate Fosu Mensah and pereira in midfield and I think they both would have made a big impact if they stayed this year.

Attack wise we are well stocked. I agree a rw would be a much needed addition so that we can utilise lukaku’s heading qualities in the box. But apart from that I would trust what we have got. Jose needs to find a solution and get the forwards working because we can keep throwing money at the forwards. It is clear that the tactics aren’t right and that’s what Jose gets the big bucks for.

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13 Feb 2018 15:55:10
Bottom line is that we are miles behind the top team not just here but also abroad. We were not so behind years ago and bear in mind just how much we have spent already in the past few years. We should be much much closer to City for a start. The Utd teams of 1999 and 2008 were miles better than what we have now. For a start they were teams. Not a group of individuals who still have no recognisable consistentplaying pattern. Also those teams were full of leaders. Sorry guys but we are miles away from where we need to be. How many of this current team would be guaranteed a start in the teams of 1999 and 20008? That tells you how far we have fallen. The results this season prove it.

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13 Feb 2018 17:01:53
Csm. When scholes retired we bough 1 midfielder. Fellaini. Fellaini replaced scholes in the squad. That is a fact.
Fergi bought jones and smallung as replacements for rio and vidic as per his autobiography. The fact is we have since purchaed players to replace tbose original replacements.

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13 Feb 2018 17:05:06
So park you agree 5 new player's and to get rid of smalling blind fellaini darmian you would keep rojo not jones. You agree we need 2 moee full backs 2 midfielders and a rw. So what exactly do you disagree with?
You say its a good squad then go on to say 25% of it needs changing. ergo its not a good squad. Finished 4th or below 4 years on the bounce is not a good squad.

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13 Feb 2018 17:10:23
Your right hedon. Anybody who argues otherwise is sadly mistaken biased or blind.

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13 Feb 2018 17:53:33
Them players we are talking about from before this bunch of heartless players would have ate their way through Newcastle on sunday.

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13 Feb 2018 18:36:56
Lol
Don't forget the 2011 cl final . won the league that year .
Fabio and evra fb.
Carrick and Giggs cm.
Tony park out wide.
Chicarito up top .

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13 Feb 2018 18:54:55
Spot on leahy.

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13 Feb 2018 19:04:57
Or the 2009 final
Park Giggs Anderson Carrick in midfield .
J oshea right back.

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13 Feb 2018 19:06:35
Leahy
Yep them players never lost a single game . summers never ended and you could buy 5 pints and a pickled egg for a fiver .

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13 Feb 2018 19:38:20
Personally I can’t believe we replaced Best with Ralph Milne, and Charlton with Tom Cleverly, it a disgrace.

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13 Feb 2018 19:57:07
No jred your right I suppose the wouldn't beat a bad Newcastle team. lol.

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13 Feb 2018 20:06:26
Leahy

We lost some silly games as well pal .

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13 Feb 2018 20:16:46
Well done jred 2 great examples of teams that help my point teams with good experieced pros proven winners time and again, players that learned how to win and knew how to win. Not fancy names but teams with carrick giggs park o shea rooney evra rio vidic ( how many medals have that lot between them) sprinkled with young potetial players like nani anderson fabio and the likes.
But now we have young players better than anderson fabio rafeal etc here but not enough proven winners ddg matic sanchez mata toni is not enough. Pogba is not mature enogh yet.
Those teams you mentioned don't look right or fancy but they knew how to win and played under a great and succesful manager. The football was often poor at that time too. But wins and results kept coming. The legs ran out for the snr pros and tbose brought in to replace them are now snr pros at our club but they have little or no pedigree. Blind darmian rojo fellaini young smalling jones are now the longest serving snr pros at our club. Jeez not much they can pass on to the talented crop we have.
Despite his 30m price tag shaw is far from the finished article same for bailly lindelof.
Despite his 87m price tag and obvious talent pogba is also not the finished article.
Likewise lukaku martial rashford.
They all have great potential and need some good proven winners around them.

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13 Feb 2018 20:19:36
Jred I was talking about Newcastle. And the other day you said the table doesn't lie. Where were Newcastle before they got 3 points off us.

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13 Feb 2018 20:26:17
Lol now we need Giggs in cm 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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13 Feb 2018 20:24:30
Leahy we have been better than newcastle this season we are a better team than newcastle .
The table shows that .
Even great teams lose games .

You must get your football coupon up every week?
Ken your killing me pal on this page and the other .

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13 Feb 2018 20:26:17
Lol now we need Giggs in cm 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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14 Feb 2018 14:26:47
I do agree with some parts of your OP Ken, I think the knee jerk reaction part (in my view) was with the post coinciding to a disappointing result against Newcastle.

I agree there are some players that need to pursue careers elsewhere - Smalling, Fellani (on the basis he looks unlikely to renew his contract) Zlatan, Darmian and maybe Blind, Rojo and Romero - the latter 3 more to get regular football.

I do think the squad is maybe 3/ 4 players away from being able to win the league and champions league especially when the young players like Gomes etc are considered. If in the summer the club sign a top class midfielder like a SMS, Weigel, Veratti, Jorgino to dovetail with Pogba and Matic, plus a CB and RB then think we're set.

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13 Feb 2018 11:28:29
{Ed's Note - ken has posted a new article entitled, A view of the current Manchester United squad without the red tinted glasses on.

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13 Feb 2018 12:27:12
Good post kinky ken.

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13 Feb 2018 12:40:56
Leahy it annoys me a little when people say tbis is a good squad. what have they achieved to warrant tje title of a good squad.
Jones here nearly 8 seasons and only played 40 games once. Only more than 20 in the league twice never over 30 in the league
Smalling the 2 seasons he made most appearances we finished 5th and 6th.
Both have league medals but mafe fewer than 16 appearances those seasons.
They are not good squad players. Nor are darmian or blind or fellaini jeez we have not finished higher than 4th since he signed he had started 2 league games this seadon and we could be 2nd. Blind only started a couple darmian too so maybe that's why the upturn in league positiin.
We have some good players but there is a bunch there dragging the rest down turning this into a poor squad. too many average joes.
Many thought adnan was next big thing. Ditto welbeck ditto cleverly ditto martial.

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13 Feb 2018 12:50:35
Good article. But don't agree with Martial who i believe will be a top player and can't believe you are comparing him to Adnan, welbs or cleverly.

Thos players grew up in manchester and messed therr chances and Martial is a player from another league who had a lot going on last year.

Give him a chance and he will be fine but it might not be here with Mourinho.

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13 Feb 2018 13:01:48
Singh. I respect your view. I think he has magic in his feet but rocks for brains.
He may well go on to have a great carreer but i just don't see it myself.
Things can change the penny might drop i hope it does but i can't see it being at united. Happy to be proved wrong on this one tbh.

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13 Feb 2018 13:05:50
Agree with everything. good post. Martial and rashford seem to look good because of just how average our squad has been. Both definitely have huge potential and will have to step up quickly or their time will run out soon with the likes of sanchez coming in.

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13 Feb 2018 13:17:18
Good posts Ken 👍👏.

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13 Feb 2018 13:43:09
Totally agree Ken.

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13 Feb 2018 15:13:15
Danny ehen scholes retired for the 2nd time who replaved him in the squad? Fellaini

When herrera signed who did he knock out of the sude originally? Carrick

Who were bought replace vidic and rio? . Smalling and jones. that's in fergies autobiography.

The fowrads are what's here now v then. I could have included sancez but he is only in the door.

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13 Feb 2018 16:46:51
Ken, agree with most of what you say but you mention Rashford/ martial ect as potential and won nothing yet but people are speaking of city as one of potentially the prems best ever teams ( personally disagree been others as good), just watch if you put those players up for sale how much interest there would be.

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13 Feb 2018 16:58:50
Smooth i would keep both rash and martial.

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13 Feb 2018 17:11:53
The "without red tinted glasses" part of the title made me laugh.

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13 Feb 2018 17:52:48
Sepp😁 its hard to be totally objective. We have 12 really good young players in or around the squad all 24 or younger. Most of them will be the backbone of the squad for years to come but in my opinion we need 3 or 4 more players with the quality of ddg matic sanchez to help bring on this great core group.

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13 Feb 2018 18:01:58
I agree with u on a lot of that ken, as with others not the martial bit, in games where we sit bk and look to hit on the break I'd play him upfront central .
There are a few treading water now blind darmian and others . Centre back does concern me a bit despite our numbers JM can see smallings shortcomings but he sees them train everyday and it appears rates him above lindlehof which isn't a glowing endorsement for lindlehof.
Many areas could still do with improving which is pretty unbelievable considering the outlay in recent years, you make a good case for fullbacks and still a right sided attacker if Sanchez isn't to be used there.
Midfield though will surely have to be dealt with first though if Carrick, Fellini, and maybe Herrera leave, I don't get all the tfm and Pereira optimism personally but hope I'm wrong .

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13 Feb 2018 20:42:54
Ken by that logic Valencia replaced Ronaldo do we include that too. Fact is you want to paint a picture and are twisting facts to suit your argument, who they were bought to replace is an argument for when they were bought not for today when they clearly aren't seen as first choice for those positions.

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13 Feb 2018 21:33:53
Correct csm they were bought to replace them but were miles below the level required and have all had plenty of time and don't look like tbey can most are just squad players and as you say have been replaced in the first 11. Our stadards slipped for 3 5 or 6 years w jose won't fix it overnight. He has 6 of his own signings left excluding ibra. But it was more than 6 players needed when he got here the squad was a mess in all honesty.

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13 Feb 2018 10:05:48
Please please please let it be true. I don't care if no other newspaper story is correct all year, but let it be true that smalling and jones are to be sold and Toby Alderweireld is the player to come in.

Jones and smalling have had several seasons to establish themselves as first team players and to kick on. Jones has shown glimpses of potential, but not enough and not been available to play enough. Time they moved on and made space for Mensah, tuenzebe and hopefully Alderweireld.

Ed please say it's true. Mr Woodward just offer them as a BOGOF. Arsenal fancy the octopus smalling and nice but dim jones?

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13 Feb 2018 11:22:34
Huggy i'd give them smalling jones blind rojo and darmian in exchange for alderwield.

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13 Feb 2018 11:27:43
I would bite their hand off for Alderweireld. However, only chance this could happen is if spurs don’t get top 4. And I think they will so we can forget about signing him. Would be the ideal cb signing definitely the best cb in the league.

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13 Feb 2018 12:20:30
Not sure if it is true, but I have read that toby only has 18months left on his contract with an option of a further 12months. More interestingly in the summer of 2019 a £25m release clause becomes active. Spurs may accept a decent offer 40-50m instead of losing him for £25m in 2019. Who knows Daniel levy will do what’s best for Spurs, but you can’t ignore the massive costs of the new stadium estimated at £1bn. They may be open to a decent offer. Bailey and Toby would be a significant improvement on smalling and jones.

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13 Feb 2018 14:00:50
Yeh I saw something similar Huggy. He hasn’t signed a new contract yet so always a slim chance. He’s very good on the ball but also an organiser and strong in the air. We need a leader at the back and it’s so clear that we don’t have that and tbh Jones and smalling are a shambles together. I say go all out for Toby as he is premier league proven and a leader.

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13 Feb 2018 08:23:00
Rojo, Smailling and Jones need to be sold in the Summer

Mou should add 2 CBs plus Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe.

We were told the interest on Umtiti and other guy from Leipzig, either of them would be good.

Not sure if its possible or the funds would stretch that far but our defence and Midfielder need major surgery.

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13 Feb 2018 09:54:21
I agree with the defense needing a major revamp KA.
For the midfield I think we are ok except finding a Carrick replacement.
For the attack I think we have a potent front but either need the boys to be clear of their roles or they can have free play. Sometimes it’s good to have an underlying structure but during the game, it can do them good if given some freedom.

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13 Feb 2018 10:09:25
Dont see what jones this season and rojo last season have done wrong for them to be sold.

Jones has been solid and dependable this season and has not been injured that often.

Rojo was very good last season till his broken leg.

People are overreacting way too much to a defeat at newcastle where we had more than enough chances to win the match.

We don't need a major revamp, just a bit more maturity (mostly aimed at lingard and pogba) and ruthlessness (mostly aimed at martial and lingard) .

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13 Feb 2018 10:42:37
DSG my apologies if misunderstood.
My “revamp” is more of getting rid of the unsuited ones who really will not fit what we want. We definitely need backup so the likes of Jones and Rojo still may have a role to play. Beside we may have plenty of games and may need to give some rest to the key players. Of course some will need to play more like Shaw so that he becomes better and key to the left defense. I strongly believe that Smalling has outuse his chances and needs to be shipped out. Jones and Rojo can be on bench.
Like I said key for me is Carrick’s replacement unless people think we already have one in the current team.

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Review Of The Day 13th February 2018

13 Feb 2018 07:08:06
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th February 2018

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13 Feb 2018 09:59:21
Interesting.
In the partnership of football team, can you imagine if one of the clubs gets a partnership with a condom corporate? 🤣🤣🤣. Maybe Citeh might be interested in a sleeve logo? 🤣🤣😂.

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