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11 Jan 2020 09:45:12
It hard to look at the table and see we are still in with a great chance of top four, our season has been so poor, but, and its a big but (and l can not lie) if we can get in two first team midfielders and with the injuries back in Feb we could do it. Surely the club understands not only money but attracting players when you have the Champions League is so important. Any sustained consistent run will get top four.

redcon

1.) 11 Jan 2020 11:35:13
Yeah Redcon, our rivals are dropping points consistently as well.
2-3 good signings in this window will boost our chance to genuinely place in the top 4.


2.) 11 Jan 2020 11:50:31
I think every team in contention for 4th will be saying the same thing. Unfortunately we havnt been consistent for a long time. Chelsea will buy this window. Arteta is getting more out of Arsenal but I think they'll fall short. Jose at Spurs are like ourselves with the topsy turvy results and Kane out is a big problem.

One spot up for grabs in my opinion and we have 4 teams that could get it. We'll know more when the window ends but I don't think we have enough compared to the other teams.


3.) 11 Jan 2020 14:46:45
If we bought two solid midfielders, ie class players who would walk into the first team, then I think we would have a very good chance of obtaining 4th.

Our front 3 are pretty good, they just need better service, and with a decent midfield the defence would be ender far less pressure and I think is sufficient.

The only risk is those two new midfielders not settling quick enough, but it would certainly improve our chances.

This is one of the most frustrating things. In spite of how poor we've been, we're still somehow in the running, and if we just committed some funds to pushing on we have enough to ensure top 4 and champions league.

I think it would also be reasonable to give Ole the rest of the year with those two extra midfielders to see what he can do. Whatever your thoughts on him, you can't deny he is being given a tough ask to get top 4 with that midfield.

So the plan should be two midfielder starters in January, give Ole the rest of the season, and if he demonstrates some kind of management ability that we so far haven't seen then he has a right to keep his job, but if he doesn't then he can be replaced.

Thsre seems very little risk in backing him in the market for positions that we are so very lacking in. I wouldn't be allowing him to sell top players and replace with his preferences, but strengthening where we are so obviously weak seems a no brainer.


4.) 11 Jan 2020 22:36:20
Chelsea and spurs will be thinking the exact same thing though.

If chelsea can add a quality defender and experienced attacker to their ranks to support their promising youngsters theyw ill make top 4

If spurs can buy a striker and a competent full back they are right in it as well.

Are we really going to get two class players in jan, doubt it very much.

Just stick with ole until the summer and bring pochetino in if possible and give him all the funds possible to have at his disposable i say.


5.) 12 Jan 2020 04:11:35
We have won 4 of our last 5 league games and scored 12 goals.
Which is a breath of fresh air after last year, especially after watching spurs yesterday .
Rash just knocked in his 19th of the season, not that long ago he was getting stick.
We have made a step in the right direction this season, could do with a bit of luck with injuries and a couple of clever additions, like we did in the summer . But on the whole moving in the right direction.


6.) 12 Jan 2020 09:12:22
Bang on Jred 👍.


7.) 12 Jan 2020 10:49:17
Two months ago people were saying they would bet their house on him never scoring 20 goals in a season.

Wonder where they are now? 😂.


8.) 12 Jan 2020 11:16:40
Nowhere shappy, he is different gravy. Looking forward to hopefully strengthening the team and of course a proper coach being in place. His aptitude is great and will continue to improve.


9.) 12 Jan 2020 11:05:11
Shappy as always just move on to someone else.


10.) 12 Jan 2020 12:13:24
Also good to see James high up on the assists table. He’s done really well this season but needs a break and some more help. Good to see a transfer like this one arrive at the club.


11.) 12 Jan 2020 13:46:15
Jred. I'd look back up the last 5 or 6 games. We certainly havnt won 4 out of 5 of our last league games. Drew with Everton, lost to Watford, beat Newcastle and Burnley, lost to Arsenal and beat Norwich. Sandwiched in between those results is a draw against Wolves and a loss to City.

A few very positive performances in that run but also a few woeful ones. We're still 2 steps forward, 2 steps back.


12.) 12 Jan 2020 15:27:11
Mumbles yes made a mistake with the watford game so its 3 out of the last 5 whoops, but I also didn't mention beating city and spurs in the league.
For some reason people don't want to talk about the fact we beat both city and spurs in the league?

At the moment it is ole it was rashford it was martial the same people will just choose someone else to slag of. It's all they post
Is it a coincidence that you only went back as far as the everton game , think city and spurs where the 2 games before that . Nobody ever wants to talk about the positives tho .
Each to there own tho people use the site for different things most at the moment just use it to slag players etc off . Only 5th in the league in all the cups I suppose some feel that is awful and they are entitled to more .
Makes for a poor read tho imo, personally I'm happy with the direction we have taken, each to there won tho .


13.) 13 Jan 2020 00:25:42
jered funny how you only come out when we win. did you see what pep did to us in the cup the other night. a decent manager looks at his mistakes. and then gave us a tanking. let's not forget we played norwich spelling hey.


 

 

10 Jan 2020 17:55:46
Duncan Castles now reporting we have been offered Bruno Fernandes for 70mill euros about 60mill pounds and could move for him next week?

redcon

 

 

28 Dec 2019 17:00:33
Can the edits provide any update on targets for January, is there any potential players close.

redcon

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer about the timings of transfers but can tel;l you where I know of some level of interest.

CB, DM, CM, CM/AM, W/F and S are needed over coming transfer windows

Benoit Badiashile (CB) interest in taking him in the future but also interest from elsewhere. He has signed a new contract so nothing will happen in the short term.
Kalidou Koulibaly (CB) ironically a Mourinho favourite and very, very expensive. Interest has likely gone at the asking price.
Eric Dier (DM) bereft of any ideas Manchester United have returned to another Mourinho target and made an enquiry to a third party about whether or not he would be open to a move as a replacement for Nemanja Matic. Now interest from another side and very likely won't happen.
Declan Rice (DM) could also look to him again but very unlikely in January.
Kalvin Phillips (CM) has been watched but I would not expect anything to come of it in the short term.
Emre Can (DM) scraping the bottom of the barrel but Juventus will offer Mario Mandzukic and Emre Can with some cash for Paul Pogba and Tahith Chong in January.
Denis Zakaria (CM) BM will sell in January but Spurs and Bayern Munich baulked at the €60M asking price - other clubs (Borussia Dortmund - as a Weigl replacement; Manchester United - but not unless they get a decent coach; and Inter Milan who won't be able to commit to the price and want Matic instead) have been looking at him.
James Maddison (AM)
Bruno Fernandes (AM) Manchester United remain keen on the player but not the price.
Christian Eriksen (AM) an approach by Manchester United may be viable in January – but the player wants Real Madrid and Real Madrid will look to him if space can be made available in the squad - and the preference will be for the summer (but it is something his agent is working on). Juventus also retain an interest but he is not first choice - and their first choice looks unlikely.
Hakon Evjen (RW/AM) signed for AZ after rejecting Manchester City - Manchester United were planning on a January off. Scratch him.
Jadon Sancho (RW) MU are keen.
Isaac Lihadji (RW) kiddie from Marseille who is attracting interest of several leading sides - will not be interested in joining MU but Arsenal and Spurs have spoken with his agent - much to the annoyance of Marseille. Common sense dictates he should sign a new contract and stay where he is.
Steven Bergwijn (LW/RW/F) has been watched by MU but there is interest from elsewhere including Borussia Dortmund, Inter Milan, Spurs, Milan and Napoli - several of these sides are able to offer CL football which has always been an important point for the player.
Mario Mandzukic (S) showing signs of desperation if MU head down that route. Mandzukic had been working to agree a move to Qatari club Al-Duhail but struggled to agree three separate things with them - but he now has. SCcatch him.
Moussa Dembele (S) If the right offer is made he may be available – but interest from elsewhere and Lyon has an injury problem which means a January move is unlikely as he is required to stay.
Callum Wilson (S) Bournemouth will not be open to selling in January but he may well be a player Manchester United would look to.
Aleksandr Sobolev (S) makes little sense
Erling Haaland (S) There is significant interest in the player from a number of sides and there have been several discussions with one interested side already and one other side that could be offered him regardless of a lack of interest right now. Manchester United are interested and OGS knows him, but it would be a big step up with no guarantee of a starting place. The kid needs to consider any move carefully and not end up on the bench. A move to one of the other interested sides would work far better than a move to Manchester United. To RB Leipzig as a Timo Werner replacement with others there to ease him in to the first team, to Borussia Dortmund who need an out and out striker, or to Juventus as a replacement for Mario Mandzukic where he will have time to be eased in to the first team. The player has spoken with all interested sides but the price of the transfer is high and the price of the agent fees, particularly for Manchester United, is pretty extreme as well. Or he could wait out another year. RBL will not be in a position to afford the cost of the whole package even though Timo Werner will be sold. Borussia Dortmund will have the Sancho money but may not want such a large investment on what looks like a good prospect. For Juventus it is not a problem and they have an attractive wage package already on the table.}


1.) 29 Dec 2019 09:22:01
Cheers Ed, always appreciated. But now that top 4 is possible and with what seems to be a genuine move towards youth and developing players, will we be a more attractive option to some of these players than say 6 months / 1 year ago?

{Ed002's Note - I doubt it would make a difference. The club is still run on an amateur basis and has a coach who is nothing like good enough.}


2.) 29 Dec 2019 10:28:17
I've not seen a massive amount of Haaland but he undoubtedly looks like he could be a very good player, however, I've seen a lot more of Werner and he would be an excellent signing. I think I've even seen the ed say in the past that Werner has said he'd like to play for United. Most good German players end up at Bayern at some point so pretty sure he will end up there anyway.

Ed, it's interesting to see there are no full backs in the list above, does this mean United are happy with Shaw as LB for the foreseeable or is it that they are prioritising the multitude of other areas where we need quality?

Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have no interest in Werner. There are other priorities over FB.}


3.) 29 Dec 2019 14:55:58
We can now scratch haaland off, off to dortmund confirmed.


4.) 29 Dec 2019 14:54:30
Many thanks Ed for another great update. Happy New Year all.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


5.) 29 Dec 2019 16:04:10
With Haaland signing for Dortmund and United having no interest in Werner I really hope we don't go anywhere near Callum Wilson.


6.) 29 Dec 2019 19:08:15
Thanks Ed002 for the update. The impression I got from it is that the club is not interested in Longstaff anymore and it s unlikely we ll sign someone in January.


7.) 30 Dec 2019 08:21:34
Hi Ed002, you previously said to rule out Maddison as he was due to sign a new contract. Has there been a change or still just interest in him? Also many thanks to you and all the Eds for their superb contributions and to the fellow posters for keeping me entertained. Happy New Year to you all!

{Ed002's Note - MU remain keen on James Maddison (AM) as he has not signed a new contract yet.}


8.) 30 Dec 2019 09:36:50
Kalvin Phillips rumours coming back around again. Is he any good?

{Ed025's Note - in the championship yes..


9.) 30 Dec 2019 09:58:14
Ed025's would he be good enough for Premier league?

{Ed025's Note - not in my opinion AGR, he decent but i would think united would be looking at better options mate..


10.) 30 Dec 2019 11:01:27
Thanks for the info Ed025's.

{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..


11.) 30 Dec 2019 12:06:31
doc, we have seen many times that players signing new contracts mean nothing.


12.) 31 Dec 2019 07:22:56
Hi Ed - you mentioned that the agent fees for the Haaland transfer to MU would have been pretty extreme. Can you provide any insight as to why the agent fees for a MU move would be higher relative to the other interested parties?
Thanks and happy new year!

{Ed002's Note - It is really not something worth getting in to.}


 

 

11 Nov 2018 22:21:58
Think the writing is on the wall for Jose though, finish in the top four golden hand shake and on to the next candidate, whoever that might be! The gulf is widening and we are slipping. There is a young team in there we just the right man and a few additions to make us click. Rashford, martial, lingard, Shaw, Bailey, lindelof, dialot lukaku and pogba even de gea is young for a keeper.

redcon

1.) 11 Nov 2018 23:27:45
I'd say it's a lot more nuanced than that. There are a lot of factors as to why we can't compete with top teams, and the manager is just one of them.

Crucially, I think the board will stick with Mourinho, as it was or had even come to a point that the players feel they can outlast the manager. He will never have enough authority abd respect if that is the case. I think that's why they renewed his contract: to let the players know they couldn't just force out another manager that was asking them to make more of an effort and learn new things.


2.) 12 Nov 2018 06:59:24
Redcon

I wish it was that simple but I fear like many, you are missing the bigger picture. Mourinho may not be many people’s cup of tea but he is a proven winner, when supported by his board. In that regard, we don’t appear a United club at the moment, the aims and objectives from owners down do not seem unified with one aim, to put the worlds best team on the pitch. The anti United press are loving it and stirring problems at every opportunity. Change the manager will not solve all our problems. Take a look at Monaco, nice shiny new name and look how it has gone. United need to take the punishment of failing to invest over many years and start the Re-structure in summer. Before bleating about how much Jose has spent have a look at long term spending, over the last 11 years, Ronaldo replaced by Wigan’s winger.

I can tell you from experience the first question on any Re-structure change plan must be to the owners asking what they want and design from there. Problem is the main objective may not be to be at the pinnacle of world football.


3.) 12 Nov 2018 10:21:01
Failure to invest!? Haha, hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting that you's haven't invested in your team? Think almost any other club (except perhaps City) would love be able to spend the money you's have.


4.) 12 Nov 2018 13:15:46
We have spent an obscene amount of money the pathetic excuses for Jose are ridiculous coming from deluded fans .
In his 3rd year at the club after having one of the biggest transfer spend in Europe Jose is taking this team backwards .
Never mind city or Liverpool forget about them we are no better Bournemouth or Watford. In fact we play worse football .
We don't know how to defend as a team
Our tactics are regressive and out of date .
Our players are out of form many wanting to leave .
Our style is awful
We don't know out best team
It's a bit of a shambles any other top club would get rid of there manager in this situation .

{Ed025's Note - you dont pull any punches do you jred?..


5.) 12 Nov 2018 13:16:41
Red Man, The club may have failed to invest between 2009-2015, But since then the club have thrown over 100m a summer at the squad.

However, it has been poorly invested. You talk about rebuilding the squad. How do you envision that going if all our targets are 29 years old?

Mourinho doesn't want to be at the club for the long haul, he isn't invested in our club. He won't buy a house or move his family to Manchester. He is only interested in players who will win things here and now and has no interest in rebuilding the club, just adding a few more trophies to his haul so he can throw it at some journalist in a press conference.

Him and the club clearly disagreed on which players the club should sign in the summer. It is disharmony, however that is a two way street.

The club needs to feel they are getting value for money when purchasing a player for a large fee. Spending 50m+ on a player who might only provide two years of top level service before declining on a high wage and the club being unable to shift them is not in the clubs best interests. In either the medium or long term.

However, it might be a good idea in the short term, which is all Mourinho is interested in.

That is why Mourinho was a poor choice for a club that needed time as much as money being spent on it.

{Ed025's Note - harsh but some fair points there shappy..


6.) 12 Nov 2018 13:47:37
Or better still . Let our attacking players attack and let the defenders worry about defending. Rashford is not a wingback nor is martial. we have the players they just need to be played in positions their good at.


7.) 12 Nov 2018 18:46:17
Ah the reaction to losing a game, yes the derby but we have lost derbies before 5.1 even 6.1 and recovered and will again. I will say again, people want to rip up the club, sack the manager mid season and head off in a new direction. It doesn’t matter what direction or if it is the right direction, just let's change quick, the pain is too much to bear. There is no thought it might be the wrong direction or that the underlying problems will still be there. So many advocating running before we can walk.

I am now obviously deluded because I don’t think it is the right time to smash the walls down. Next I will be a Mourinho lover or an apologist because I say the issues are far deeper than the manager and need to be sorted and plan rather than react. We talk about investment and how it has been poor, and some has but is it all Mourinho’s fault, is there no exerpertise at the club or were they studying the internet clicks rather than how the player would fit. It’s the stick to beat him with but did he chose the exact players or give positions and then the club got what they thought were bargains. So there are many who want to sack the manager yet ignore that he wasn’t supported in summer. Woodward should have supported him or sacked him but did neither and that is where the start of our problems are.

How long will you give the next manager or the one after that? When the shine rubs off them and Woodward sacks another will any of you actually realise what the bigger issues are?

{Ed025's Note - a lot of sense in there red man..


8.) 12 Nov 2018 19:13:01
My thought entirely Red Man. Jose is not without fault, of course. He has made plenty of mistakes, and continues to do so. His whole demeanor is wrong, and the knock on effects from that are obvious for all to see.
But the managers issues are a great shield for all the others to hide behind, from the board all the way down to the players.

Mourinho won't be here long, but will things really change that much when he has been replaced? I am not sure it will, not until the whole club undergoes a massive and long overdue overhaul.

Changing the manager is, I fear, just scratching at the surface of our problems. But the fans, and the press especially need a target. A focal point, and for now at least, Jose fits the bill very well.

{Ed025's Note - spot on betty..


9.) 12 Nov 2018 19:53:59
Clubs change there managers all the time . Redman wanted moyes sacked before a ball was kicked moyes had more points than this lot .

Chelsea are on there 3rd manager in 4 seasons .
Jose apologist who want to blame everyone apart from the man in charge .
Jose got sacked at Madrid sacked at Chelsea and will probably get sacked at United.
That's football .
With a bit of luck the next manager will be the right man because moyes, Lvg and Jose weren't.

I wanted Jose but I was wrong he is the wrong man for United a manager past his best and outdated .
It's ok to say your wrong.


10.) 12 Nov 2018 19:58:49
For me the issue is obvious, Jose is succesfully known to play a particular way but is having to adapt to a different playing philosophy. The board won't fully back him for the type of signings he needs to play his way so he is having to make do with the squad he has and the calibre of signings he does not want. for me the board need to either back him and adopt his approach or appoint some one who employs an attacking philosophy that matches the calibre of signings they want. it was telling after Bournmouth game when he said something along the lines of we've prepared for this all week in training. shows there is no identity if you have to adapt your tactics to an opposition like Bournemouth. he's on huge wages so won't walk away easily.


11.) 12 Nov 2018 20:03:50
Should we of given moyes more time time reading all the above?


12.) 12 Nov 2018 20:16:53
Jred

My deepest sympathies, you really have never got over Moyes being sacked. One thing you keep getting wrong, I was very clear before Moyes was even appointed he should never be anywhere United, a long way before a ball being kicked. You keep on missing that Jose/ Moyes CV comparison or don’t companies look at your CV before offering you a job?


13.) 12 Nov 2018 20:24:09
Agree with Redman.

Jose isn't right long term, but we need a direction to aim for, with football men running the football side of the club.


14.) 12 Nov 2018 20:36:11
Red man
Pele was a good player average now .
You were very clear about moyes? So was everyone else not many wanted him .
So you pick and choose who you support and expect everyone else listen to you .

A lot of people didn't want Jose anywhere near United as he wasn't a United type manager . They were right me and you wrong .

I didn't want moyes but was amazed at the lack of support from so called fans . How can anyone who calls themselves a fan want a manager sacked even before a ball has been kicked?
Moyes was wrong, Lvg wasn't the right fit but prob done better than the current incumbent is doing.
Hopefully the next manager is the right choice.


15.) 12 Nov 2018 20:54:51
You make very articulate points about structure, outlay and ownership redman and I enjoy reading yr posts without always agreeing. There may be many issues at the club but we have been 19 and 23 points adrift and are currently 12 points behind but in all likelihood heading for twenty odd behind and we are currently in November behind Watford and Bournemouth .

Our football is often awful and our team for the money spent on it should be way better. We looked a bit out of our depth against city and maybe it's because they have spent more but by that logic we should be better than most if not all other teams in the world bar city. I think people can find it hard to hear about all areas where things aren't going to well but very little said about the obvious to some main thing, the managers results, style and transfer record.

i'm not sure what evidence there is that refutes every player we have bought was run past and agreed with Jose. To on the whole not mention Jose much but point out all the other things wrong with the club to me is like someone holding yr head underwater in the bath and pointing out the tap is running too fast and the waters too deep but then not really mentioning the hand holding year head underwater.


16.) 12 Nov 2018 21:52:53
Slate
Great post.


17.) 12 Nov 2018 22:01:02
Slate151

I don’t think anyone should pretend where we are is acceptable, but I believe we need to understand this is not just a poor managerial performance. People who likely have never managed or been a leader are saying one of the worlds most successful managers is past it. People forget how awful SAF early years were even after he had been on a spending splurge. There are millions of wannabe managers on social media these days screaming for the guys head, a manager who has proved he knows what it takes to win, to get to the very top. At the same time the impact of owners who just don’t seem focussed on football success is ignored. Our ground hasn’t been improved whilst rivals have and plan more but this is ignored.

I am not “refuting” as you put it, every player was run past and agreed with Jose but I suspect that Jose has identified areas and if the powers at the club say this is what you are getting, does he have a choice or is it accept it or resign? None of us know the inner dynamic of transfer activity at the club so how can we completely blame him for every signing unless it is a desire to see him accept ultimate responsibility and get the sack. I stand by him right now because I don’t think there are many, if any, others who could do any better in the circumstances. The wrong appointment could see things worsen yet no one sees that, they only see improvement and glory and I think it is a very high risk thought process.


18.) 12 Nov 2018 22:35:24
Redman
A very large part of it comes from the poor performance of the manager.

SAF early years have no bearing on the current situation .

You suspect? You don't really know tho .
The manager takes responsibility that's the nature of the game .

It's all mirrors with you, Jose at present is doing a very poor job .

Please Give me your insight on the Liverpool owners and what they ate doing that is so good.


19.) 12 Nov 2018 22:41:03
We, man United are in a worse position after 12 games under the current incumbent than we found ourselves under the disaster that was D Moyes.


20.) 12 Nov 2018 23:45:25
Moyes had a far better side than Jose has now.


21.) 13 Nov 2018 06:45:18
Oh Jred

Still trying to show Moyes was better, he inherited a fully confident team of Champions, Jose a rag tag bunch from 3 previous managers.

A very large part comes from the poor performance of the players, they are the ones making regular errors, can't defend, can’t pass 5 yards or put the ball in the net. No Jose is not without blame or criticism but this is us failing as a club for many reasons not just the one you keep going on about.


22.) 13 Nov 2018 10:37:21
Redman
I'm not trying to show . oyes is better .
I'm pointing out your ridiculous double standards.


23.) 13 Nov 2018 11:05:50
Red Man, How is Sir ALex's early years even slightly comparable to Jose's current situation?

Sir Alex had taken over a club that had been nowhere near the top for 25 years, Jose took over a side that won the title 4 years previously.

Sir Alex was at the start of his career and was managing the biggest club he had ever managed at the time. Jose is heading towards the back straights of his career, having already managed huge clubs and in Real Madrid you could argue a bigger club than ours (certainly on a European level) .

Jose has been a great manager, no one can take that away from him. However, LvG had also been a great manager. Both are past their respective peaks and are on the decline. Obviously LvG is further along that decline than Jose is.

Jose will probably never with the UCL again, he certainly won't win the treble again. So its safe to say he is past his best.

Unfortunately the success Jose has had in his career means many young up and coming managers have studied his methods, learned from them and have worked out their weaknesses. Jose has to adapt to that or be left behind. He isn't showing much in the way of adaption at the present time.

Jose was the master at getting the most out of his squad, yet less than half our players look like they are playing for him.

Some will argue that it is the modern day player, too much too young, spoilt and unprepared to roll their sleeves up and put in a shift.

Yet many other managers are getting phenomenal work rate out of modern players. Pochettino, Pep, Klopp and Sarri are getting a real shift out of their players. Even Emery has the Arsenal squad that Wenger couldn't get working hard defensively putting in the hard yards.

Simeone has made Atletico Mardrid one of the hardest working teams anywhere in the world, even Griezmann puts in a shift for him.

So when do we start saying that it is the manager who can't get the players to work hard rather than the players attitudes that is the problem.


24.) 13 Nov 2018 19:15:56
Shappy

“Sir Alex was at the start of his career”, when he came to us is what you are saying. Off the top of my head he had been managing for about 12 years, including about 6 at Aberdeen winning leagues and cups and was about 46 years old when he came to Utd, only 9 years younger than Mourinho is now. So Mourinho was about 6 years older than SAF when he arrived.

Many of the other managers you mention have leadership above them that gives more direction and stability with a modern infrastructure, players don’t think the manager will be ditched when toxic fans start moaning loudly so they have to work. They knew SAF was going nowhere so it was work or get the boot, it is why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract to offset that psychology but it didn’t work.

When do we say the players are also a problem or doesn’t that suit the agenda?


25.) 14 Nov 2018 09:21:35
Red man, you want to blame the players to deflect Jose's poor performance as a manager.

I'm not saying the players are blameless, but it's the managers job to get the best out of them.

The same players Jose had at Chelsea when he was taking them to relegation won the league the following season under Conte.

The same players Jose couldn't get performing at Real have won 3 back to back UCL titles under Zidane.

Why is it that only the players playing for Jose Mourinho are lazy and won't work hard when other modern players are doing it all the time for other managers at top clubs?

When do we start to say Jose hasn't been able to adapt to modern players and he can't get them performing in the long term?


26.) 15 Nov 2018 15:02:17
Are people seriously trying to argue that Moyes inherited a better squad than Mourinho has currently?

Moyes inherited a squad which had been desperately in need of overhauling for years, which was being carried almost entirely by SAF's raw force of will. The current squad is vastly superior.

The points about the club's problems going beyond the manager are entirely valid, but that doesn't mean the manager isn't also a problem.

Mourinho should never have been signed. Many of us were saying it before he came, and it's as true now as it was then. Jose doesn't belong anywhere near a club like utd. Personally, once he signed, I put aside my personal opinions and got behind him. And in fairness, he wasn't the utter dissaster I expected, and he did a lot better than I expected. However, he still isn't the right manager for utd, any more than he was back then, and we are now slipping into exactly the situation I expected a couple of years ago.

Much as it galls me to say it, Liverpool have the manager we should have had. I know the timing didn't line up, but once Klopp became available, we should have dropped everything to sign him straight away. He is not only good enough, but his style of football has enough in common with the way we played under SAF, that it would have been a natural evolution, rather than throwing away our footballing identity completely and trying to build a totally different one instead, which Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have all tried to do.

Imagine players like Lingard, Martial and Rashford under a manager like Klopp.


 

 

10 Nov 2018 23:28:45
Question for the eds do you expect any signings in January?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, no one got their work done in the summer, so the January window is likely to be busier all over than usual.}


 

 

 

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21 Jul 2020 17:28:24
We will see now if Ole has the cutting edge required at Old Trafford, De Gea needs to be dropped for the last two games, Romero has never left us down and is much better at commanding his area, which will help the defence too. Decision must be made, if it was an out file player he gets benched for sure.

redcon

1.) 21 Jul 2020 18:44:31
maybe Romero has been poor in training. we should realise that we don't have all eh information and should trust the manager who has got it to make the right decsion. He is not silly and has decent football people around him. sometimes he gambles and it fails, sometime it works spectacularly well. It is a sign of a manager learning his trade and about his team. it will be fine.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 19:41:58
Decent football people around him? Phelan?


3.) 21 Jul 2020 22:23:23
Remember Jim Leighton and Les Sealy - you have to be ruthless. We'll never win trophies with DeGea.


 

 

21 Jul 2020 17:19:39
I would strongly agree the sensible perspective after the Chelsea defeat, but it was a FA cup semi final and that's what has upset fans really. We could all see the team was struggling in the last two games, maybe tired of little injuries, but you play your best team in those games. The real worry now is the form of De Gea, and more the poor form of Maguire too. Logan and Bruno have gone off the boil a bit too in recent weeks. So as mentioned two wins, champions League again and more investment in the summers. We are still in with a great chance in the Europa too, a few months back the offer of fourth would have been way off for us.

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1.) 21 Jul 2020 18:14:05
I think had Man City pissed all over Arsenal in the other semi 4 or 5-0 then most fans wouldn't be as upset at losing to Chelsea.

They see a chance of a final against Arsenal and think there is a real chance of a trophy missed.

On one hand the lack of rotation prior to the game meant Ole's hand was forced to a point. He had to rest players, several were running on empty as seen in the drop off in intensity against Southampton and Palace.

While on the other the tactics have been torn apart. Blame for the loss is put on the 3412 shape. Which is actually nonsense, as we didn't concede a single goal until we switched to 4231 after we were forced into changing things on the fly due to an unforeseen injury. Then the second goal out of nothing at the start of the second half due to a massive error from DDG and were were always going to be chasing something that was never likely.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 19:38:07
Oh dear, defending those tactics Shappy. We may not have conceded but we were truly awful with the starting tactics.


3.) 21 Jul 2020 19:51:33
Redman
What was your opinion of the tactics in thd previous 3 games against Chelsea.


4.) 21 Jul 2020 19:59:58
Ole said his tactics and team selection were wrong at the beginning of the game on Sunday.


5.) 21 Jul 2020 20:15:19
I think watching it that a fair shout .
But its the 4th time we played them, interested in people's opinions on the other 3 games.


6.) 21 Jul 2020 20:18:34
Correct Ken

Also Gary Neville, a supporter of Ole, said “ I think Ole picked the wrong team and the wrong system. ”. That was one of the kinder comments.


7.) 21 Jul 2020 22:11:10
I think it was different personelle in those games so totally irrelevant. We hadn't really been on a long winning run with a proven settled winning formula before those games.
It was a bad call to play that way against Chelsea on Sunday everybody knows that. So we move on to west ham and hope we do better.
A 3 goal win won't be easy but it would make such a difference going into the Leicester game.
Just that bit of extra breathing space.


8.) 22 Jul 2020 11:12:34
Red man, we lost so ultimately the tactics were wrong. What I'm defending is the thought process that went in to choosing those tactics.

All week before the Chelsea game people were saying not to change the team "if it's not broke don't fix it" was the thought process.

Yet this season in the 7 games we have played both Chelsea and City we have used those tactics and up until Sunday we had a 100% winning record from using those tactics against those sides.

While I also pointed out that although we were on the back foot for most of the first half, we only went a goal behind when the team was in disarray due to an injury and a complete change in shape and tactics. Before we could settle Chelsea sucker punched us. Then a bad error at the start of the second half from DDG basically took any chance we had away from us.

It happens. My point is that I don't think that one game is evidence enough to suggest that Ole doesn't know what he's doing tactically.

In his 18 months at the club he has more wins against Pep and Klopp than tactical kingpin Jose managed in over 2 and a half years at the club.

So while I think Ole's tactical accumen might not be at an elite level, I suspect it's far better than many give him credit for.

Not many managers with a poor team, riddled with injuries regularly get results against some of the best tacticians of the modern game with vastly better squads of players.


 

 

17 Jul 2020 00:12:42
Worrying that Bruno and Pogba are not as influential in the last few games, Bruno has really gone off the boil. I hope they are not burnt out already, we will need to get back to our form of a few weeks on Sunday and for the remaining league games otherwise it could all come crumbling down around us. Still not convinced by our two CBs, think we a Cleve, fast, talker/ organiser to play with Maguire, Axel has the attributes, but needs to stay fit and get run in the side.

redcon

1.) 17 Jul 2020 00:35:36
Bruno was influential and man of the match. And Pogba was solid all game without being the stand out, prob exactly what he needs to be doing.


2.) 17 Jul 2020 01:00:59
What game did you watch?!
Bruno may not have been at his best but he was definitely influential. Played a big part in digging us out that hole. Assisted Rashford, hit the post and played a big role in martials.


3.) 17 Jul 2020 01:05:01
Shows how good Bruno has been that he can get man of the match (again) and be classed as going off the boil. He wasn’t at his best tonight but still provided the assist for the first goal and a key pass into Rashford for the 2nd.

We have 13 clean sheets in 19 games so the centre backs are doing something right.


4.) 17 Jul 2020 06:50:46
Did we only make 2 substitutions? Did the “tired” Pogba and Bruno play every minute? If so, why?


5.) 17 Jul 2020 07:17:03
Pogba kept the pressure under control by keeping things ticking in the second half.
But it's obvious that fatigue is creeping in.

{Ed047's Note - it’s little wonder he’s tired, what’s he played now, half a dozen games in 6 months.

Must be proper worn out 😉


6.) 17 Jul 2020 11:32:16
Seriously fatigue?
He worries the life out of me show boating and trying to over play deep in our half - particularly last two games
He has got the attributes but really has got a head full of wombat dung! Pogba should be further up the pitch creating simple;never has and never will be a dm.


 

 

23 May 2020 09:39:26
Shocking to think we are still in so much debt. They constantly boast of off field success in fiance deals etc and yet must be paying millions on the debt. Any sound business would try and reduce your debt, but after a decade we are still up to our necks, this C.V. 19 could still be a serious problem for the revenue needed to running our club if things persist or we get a second wave.

redcon

1.) 23 May 2020 13:20:10
We've spent on loan and interest repayments, roughly what Man City have spent on their entire project.


2.) 23 May 2020 15:43:55
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{Ed002's Note - You all seem to not understand what has happened. No more discussing the financials.}


3.) 24 May 2020 10:46:55
Well said Ed. The reporting on the financials are purposely misleading - read the published figures properly, if you don’t understand them ask someone who does.

{Ed001's Note - the reports are clickbait, hence the sensationalist headlines. Sadly they are usually written by people with even less understanding of the figures than most people on here!}


 

 

23 Feb 2020 21:54:38
Bruno just makes it look so simple, he seems to have extra time on the ball and always wants to create. Pressure of the peno didn't phase him one bit. We've got a great player for very good price, l wonder why it took so long and why not buy him last summer.

redcon

1.) 23 Feb 2020 22:03:59
our scouts said he gives the ball away too much


2.) 23 Feb 2020 22:22:52
He's pogba without the drama.


3.) 24 Feb 2020 00:14:43
He shows Pogba up to be the muppet he is. Fernandes has all the talent without the unnecessary drama. He also seems to have a great work rate and is prepared to get stuck in.

If Pogba could apply himself to just playing football I re kon the two of them would be a fantastic pairing with a ball playing DM behind them. Unfortunately I don't think we will ever know because Pogba is such a prima Donna.


4.) 24 Feb 2020 01:23:53
Bruno is a sipremely talented player and Martials goal was something else today.

So happy with the win and Greenwood is going to be one of hell of a player.


5.) 24 Feb 2020 04:40:58
Bruno has excellent vision. Always trying to create oppportunities.
He provided a sublime cross to Maguire, which unfortunately wasn't converted.

He could be our catalyst to unlock defenses.

More of such quality signings please.


 

 

 

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