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11 Jan 2020 09:45:12
It hard to look at the table and see we are still in with a great chance of top four, our season has been so poor, but, and its a big but (and l can not lie) if we can get in two first team midfielders and with the injuries back in Feb we could do it. Surely the club understands not only money but attracting players when you have the Champions League is so important. Any sustained consistent run will get top four.

redcon

1.) 11 Jan 2020 11:35:13
Yeah Redcon, our rivals are dropping points consistently as well.
2-3 good signings in this window will boost our chance to genuinely place in the top 4.


2.) 11 Jan 2020 11:50:31
I think every team in contention for 4th will be saying the same thing. Unfortunately we havnt been consistent for a long time. Chelsea will buy this window. Arteta is getting more out of Arsenal but I think they'll fall short. Jose at Spurs are like ourselves with the topsy turvy results and Kane out is a big problem.

One spot up for grabs in my opinion and we have 4 teams that could get it. We'll know more when the window ends but I don't think we have enough compared to the other teams.


3.) 11 Jan 2020 14:46:45
If we bought two solid midfielders, ie class players who would walk into the first team, then I think we would have a very good chance of obtaining 4th.

Our front 3 are pretty good, they just need better service, and with a decent midfield the defence would be ender far less pressure and I think is sufficient.

The only risk is those two new midfielders not settling quick enough, but it would certainly improve our chances.

This is one of the most frustrating things. In spite of how poor we've been, we're still somehow in the running, and if we just committed some funds to pushing on we have enough to ensure top 4 and champions league.

I think it would also be reasonable to give Ole the rest of the year with those two extra midfielders to see what he can do. Whatever your thoughts on him, you can't deny he is being given a tough ask to get top 4 with that midfield.

So the plan should be two midfielder starters in January, give Ole the rest of the season, and if he demonstrates some kind of management ability that we so far haven't seen then he has a right to keep his job, but if he doesn't then he can be replaced.

Thsre seems very little risk in backing him in the market for positions that we are so very lacking in. I wouldn't be allowing him to sell top players and replace with his preferences, but strengthening where we are so obviously weak seems a no brainer.


4.) 11 Jan 2020 22:36:20
Chelsea and spurs will be thinking the exact same thing though.

If chelsea can add a quality defender and experienced attacker to their ranks to support their promising youngsters theyw ill make top 4

If spurs can buy a striker and a competent full back they are right in it as well.

Are we really going to get two class players in jan, doubt it very much.

Just stick with ole until the summer and bring pochetino in if possible and give him all the funds possible to have at his disposable i say.


5.) 12 Jan 2020 04:11:35
We have won 4 of our last 5 league games and scored 12 goals.
Which is a breath of fresh air after last year, especially after watching spurs yesterday .
Rash just knocked in his 19th of the season, not that long ago he was getting stick.
We have made a step in the right direction this season, could do with a bit of luck with injuries and a couple of clever additions, like we did in the summer . But on the whole moving in the right direction.


6.) 12 Jan 2020 09:12:22
Bang on Jred 👍.


7.) 12 Jan 2020 10:49:17
Two months ago people were saying they would bet their house on him never scoring 20 goals in a season.

Wonder where they are now? 😂.


8.) 12 Jan 2020 11:16:40
Nowhere shappy, he is different gravy. Looking forward to hopefully strengthening the team and of course a proper coach being in place. His aptitude is great and will continue to improve.


9.) 12 Jan 2020 11:05:11
Shappy as always just move on to someone else.


10.) 12 Jan 2020 12:13:24
Also good to see James high up on the assists table. He’s done really well this season but needs a break and some more help. Good to see a transfer like this one arrive at the club.


11.) 12 Jan 2020 13:46:15
Jred. I'd look back up the last 5 or 6 games. We certainly havnt won 4 out of 5 of our last league games. Drew with Everton, lost to Watford, beat Newcastle and Burnley, lost to Arsenal and beat Norwich. Sandwiched in between those results is a draw against Wolves and a loss to City.

A few very positive performances in that run but also a few woeful ones. We're still 2 steps forward, 2 steps back.


12.) 12 Jan 2020 15:27:11
Mumbles yes made a mistake with the watford game so its 3 out of the last 5 whoops, but I also didn't mention beating city and spurs in the league.
For some reason people don't want to talk about the fact we beat both city and spurs in the league?

At the moment it is ole it was rashford it was martial the same people will just choose someone else to slag of. It's all they post
Is it a coincidence that you only went back as far as the everton game , think city and spurs where the 2 games before that . Nobody ever wants to talk about the positives tho .
Each to there own tho people use the site for different things most at the moment just use it to slag players etc off . Only 5th in the league in all the cups I suppose some feel that is awful and they are entitled to more .
Makes for a poor read tho imo, personally I'm happy with the direction we have taken, each to there won tho .


13.) 13 Jan 2020 00:25:42
jered funny how you only come out when we win. did you see what pep did to us in the cup the other night. a decent manager looks at his mistakes. and then gave us a tanking. let's not forget we played norwich spelling hey.


 

 

10 Jan 2020 17:55:46
Duncan Castles now reporting we have been offered Bruno Fernandes for 70mill euros about 60mill pounds and could move for him next week?

redcon

 

 

28 Dec 2019 17:00:33
Can the edits provide any update on targets for January, is there any potential players close.

redcon

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer about the timings of transfers but can tel;l you where I know of some level of interest.

CB, DM, CM, CM/AM, W/F and S are needed over coming transfer windows

Benoit Badiashile (CB) interest in taking him in the future but also interest from elsewhere. He has signed a new contract so nothing will happen in the short term.
Kalidou Koulibaly (CB) ironically a Mourinho favourite and very, very expensive. Interest has likely gone at the asking price.
Eric Dier (DM) bereft of any ideas Manchester United have returned to another Mourinho target and made an enquiry to a third party about whether or not he would be open to a move as a replacement for Nemanja Matic. Now interest from another side and very likely won't happen.
Declan Rice (DM) could also look to him again but very unlikely in January.
Kalvin Phillips (CM) has been watched but I would not expect anything to come of it in the short term.
Emre Can (DM) scraping the bottom of the barrel but Juventus will offer Mario Mandzukic and Emre Can with some cash for Paul Pogba and Tahith Chong in January.
Denis Zakaria (CM) BM will sell in January but Spurs and Bayern Munich baulked at the €60M asking price - other clubs (Borussia Dortmund - as a Weigl replacement; Manchester United - but not unless they get a decent coach; and Inter Milan who won't be able to commit to the price and want Matic instead) have been looking at him.
James Maddison (AM)
Bruno Fernandes (AM) Manchester United remain keen on the player but not the price.
Christian Eriksen (AM) an approach by Manchester United may be viable in January – but the player wants Real Madrid and Real Madrid will look to him if space can be made available in the squad - and the preference will be for the summer (but it is something his agent is working on). Juventus also retain an interest but he is not first choice - and their first choice looks unlikely.
Hakon Evjen (RW/AM) signed for AZ after rejecting Manchester City - Manchester United were planning on a January off. Scratch him.
Jadon Sancho (RW) MU are keen.
Isaac Lihadji (RW) kiddie from Marseille who is attracting interest of several leading sides - will not be interested in joining MU but Arsenal and Spurs have spoken with his agent - much to the annoyance of Marseille. Common sense dictates he should sign a new contract and stay where he is.
Steven Bergwijn (LW/RW/F) has been watched by MU but there is interest from elsewhere including Borussia Dortmund, Inter Milan, Spurs, Milan and Napoli - several of these sides are able to offer CL football which has always been an important point for the player.
Mario Mandzukic (S) showing signs of desperation if MU head down that route. Mandzukic had been working to agree a move to Qatari club Al-Duhail but struggled to agree three separate things with them - but he now has. SCcatch him.
Moussa Dembele (S) If the right offer is made he may be available – but interest from elsewhere and Lyon has an injury problem which means a January move is unlikely as he is required to stay.
Callum Wilson (S) Bournemouth will not be open to selling in January but he may well be a player Manchester United would look to.
Aleksandr Sobolev (S) makes little sense
Erling Haaland (S) There is significant interest in the player from a number of sides and there have been several discussions with one interested side already and one other side that could be offered him regardless of a lack of interest right now. Manchester United are interested and OGS knows him, but it would be a big step up with no guarantee of a starting place. The kid needs to consider any move carefully and not end up on the bench. A move to one of the other interested sides would work far better than a move to Manchester United. To RB Leipzig as a Timo Werner replacement with others there to ease him in to the first team, to Borussia Dortmund who need an out and out striker, or to Juventus as a replacement for Mario Mandzukic where he will have time to be eased in to the first team. The player has spoken with all interested sides but the price of the transfer is high and the price of the agent fees, particularly for Manchester United, is pretty extreme as well. Or he could wait out another year. RBL will not be in a position to afford the cost of the whole package even though Timo Werner will be sold. Borussia Dortmund will have the Sancho money but may not want such a large investment on what looks like a good prospect. For Juventus it is not a problem and they have an attractive wage package already on the table.}


1.) 29 Dec 2019 09:22:01
Cheers Ed, always appreciated. But now that top 4 is possible and with what seems to be a genuine move towards youth and developing players, will we be a more attractive option to some of these players than say 6 months / 1 year ago?

{Ed002's Note - I doubt it would make a difference. The club is still run on an amateur basis and has a coach who is nothing like good enough.}


2.) 29 Dec 2019 10:28:17
I've not seen a massive amount of Haaland but he undoubtedly looks like he could be a very good player, however, I've seen a lot more of Werner and he would be an excellent signing. I think I've even seen the ed say in the past that Werner has said he'd like to play for United. Most good German players end up at Bayern at some point so pretty sure he will end up there anyway.

Ed, it's interesting to see there are no full backs in the list above, does this mean United are happy with Shaw as LB for the foreseeable or is it that they are prioritising the multitude of other areas where we need quality?

Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have no interest in Werner. There are other priorities over FB.}


3.) 29 Dec 2019 14:55:58
We can now scratch haaland off, off to dortmund confirmed.


4.) 29 Dec 2019 14:54:30
Many thanks Ed for another great update. Happy New Year all.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


5.) 29 Dec 2019 16:04:10
With Haaland signing for Dortmund and United having no interest in Werner I really hope we don't go anywhere near Callum Wilson.


6.) 29 Dec 2019 19:08:15
Thanks Ed002 for the update. The impression I got from it is that the club is not interested in Longstaff anymore and it s unlikely we ll sign someone in January.


7.) 30 Dec 2019 08:21:34
Hi Ed002, you previously said to rule out Maddison as he was due to sign a new contract. Has there been a change or still just interest in him? Also many thanks to you and all the Eds for their superb contributions and to the fellow posters for keeping me entertained. Happy New Year to you all!

{Ed002's Note - MU remain keen on James Maddison (AM) as he has not signed a new contract yet.}


8.) 30 Dec 2019 09:36:50
Kalvin Phillips rumours coming back around again. Is he any good?

{Ed025's Note - in the championship yes..


9.) 30 Dec 2019 09:58:14
Ed025's would he be good enough for Premier league?

{Ed025's Note - not in my opinion AGR, he decent but i would think united would be looking at better options mate..


10.) 30 Dec 2019 11:01:27
Thanks for the info Ed025's.

{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..


11.) 30 Dec 2019 12:06:31
doc, we have seen many times that players signing new contracts mean nothing.


12.) 31 Dec 2019 07:22:56
Hi Ed - you mentioned that the agent fees for the Haaland transfer to MU would have been pretty extreme. Can you provide any insight as to why the agent fees for a MU move would be higher relative to the other interested parties?
Thanks and happy new year!

{Ed002's Note - It is really not something worth getting in to.}


 

 

11 Nov 2018 22:21:58
Think the writing is on the wall for Jose though, finish in the top four golden hand shake and on to the next candidate, whoever that might be! The gulf is widening and we are slipping. There is a young team in there we just the right man and a few additions to make us click. Rashford, martial, lingard, Shaw, Bailey, lindelof, dialot lukaku and pogba even de gea is young for a keeper.

redcon

1.) 11 Nov 2018 23:27:45
I'd say it's a lot more nuanced than that. There are a lot of factors as to why we can't compete with top teams, and the manager is just one of them.

Crucially, I think the board will stick with Mourinho, as it was or had even come to a point that the players feel they can outlast the manager. He will never have enough authority abd respect if that is the case. I think that's why they renewed his contract: to let the players know they couldn't just force out another manager that was asking them to make more of an effort and learn new things.


2.) 12 Nov 2018 06:59:24
Redcon

I wish it was that simple but I fear like many, you are missing the bigger picture. Mourinho may not be many people’s cup of tea but he is a proven winner, when supported by his board. In that regard, we don’t appear a United club at the moment, the aims and objectives from owners down do not seem unified with one aim, to put the worlds best team on the pitch. The anti United press are loving it and stirring problems at every opportunity. Change the manager will not solve all our problems. Take a look at Monaco, nice shiny new name and look how it has gone. United need to take the punishment of failing to invest over many years and start the Re-structure in summer. Before bleating about how much Jose has spent have a look at long term spending, over the last 11 years, Ronaldo replaced by Wigan’s winger.

I can tell you from experience the first question on any Re-structure change plan must be to the owners asking what they want and design from there. Problem is the main objective may not be to be at the pinnacle of world football.


3.) 12 Nov 2018 10:21:01
Failure to invest!? Haha, hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting that you's haven't invested in your team? Think almost any other club (except perhaps City) would love be able to spend the money you's have.


4.) 12 Nov 2018 13:15:46
We have spent an obscene amount of money the pathetic excuses for Jose are ridiculous coming from deluded fans .
In his 3rd year at the club after having one of the biggest transfer spend in Europe Jose is taking this team backwards .
Never mind city or Liverpool forget about them we are no better Bournemouth or Watford. In fact we play worse football .
We don't know how to defend as a team
Our tactics are regressive and out of date .
Our players are out of form many wanting to leave .
Our style is awful
We don't know out best team
It's a bit of a shambles any other top club would get rid of there manager in this situation .

{Ed025's Note - you dont pull any punches do you jred?..


5.) 12 Nov 2018 13:16:41
Red Man, The club may have failed to invest between 2009-2015, But since then the club have thrown over 100m a summer at the squad.

However, it has been poorly invested. You talk about rebuilding the squad. How do you envision that going if all our targets are 29 years old?

Mourinho doesn't want to be at the club for the long haul, he isn't invested in our club. He won't buy a house or move his family to Manchester. He is only interested in players who will win things here and now and has no interest in rebuilding the club, just adding a few more trophies to his haul so he can throw it at some journalist in a press conference.

Him and the club clearly disagreed on which players the club should sign in the summer. It is disharmony, however that is a two way street.

The club needs to feel they are getting value for money when purchasing a player for a large fee. Spending 50m+ on a player who might only provide two years of top level service before declining on a high wage and the club being unable to shift them is not in the clubs best interests. In either the medium or long term.

However, it might be a good idea in the short term, which is all Mourinho is interested in.

That is why Mourinho was a poor choice for a club that needed time as much as money being spent on it.

{Ed025's Note - harsh but some fair points there shappy..


6.) 12 Nov 2018 13:47:37
Or better still . Let our attacking players attack and let the defenders worry about defending. Rashford is not a wingback nor is martial. we have the players they just need to be played in positions their good at.


7.) 12 Nov 2018 18:46:17
Ah the reaction to losing a game, yes the derby but we have lost derbies before 5.1 even 6.1 and recovered and will again. I will say again, people want to rip up the club, sack the manager mid season and head off in a new direction. It doesn’t matter what direction or if it is the right direction, just let's change quick, the pain is too much to bear. There is no thought it might be the wrong direction or that the underlying problems will still be there. So many advocating running before we can walk.

I am now obviously deluded because I don’t think it is the right time to smash the walls down. Next I will be a Mourinho lover or an apologist because I say the issues are far deeper than the manager and need to be sorted and plan rather than react. We talk about investment and how it has been poor, and some has but is it all Mourinho’s fault, is there no exerpertise at the club or were they studying the internet clicks rather than how the player would fit. It’s the stick to beat him with but did he chose the exact players or give positions and then the club got what they thought were bargains. So there are many who want to sack the manager yet ignore that he wasn’t supported in summer. Woodward should have supported him or sacked him but did neither and that is where the start of our problems are.

How long will you give the next manager or the one after that? When the shine rubs off them and Woodward sacks another will any of you actually realise what the bigger issues are?

{Ed025's Note - a lot of sense in there red man..


8.) 12 Nov 2018 19:13:01
My thought entirely Red Man. Jose is not without fault, of course. He has made plenty of mistakes, and continues to do so. His whole demeanor is wrong, and the knock on effects from that are obvious for all to see.
But the managers issues are a great shield for all the others to hide behind, from the board all the way down to the players.

Mourinho won't be here long, but will things really change that much when he has been replaced? I am not sure it will, not until the whole club undergoes a massive and long overdue overhaul.

Changing the manager is, I fear, just scratching at the surface of our problems. But the fans, and the press especially need a target. A focal point, and for now at least, Jose fits the bill very well.

{Ed025's Note - spot on betty..


9.) 12 Nov 2018 19:53:59
Clubs change there managers all the time . Redman wanted moyes sacked before a ball was kicked moyes had more points than this lot .

Chelsea are on there 3rd manager in 4 seasons .
Jose apologist who want to blame everyone apart from the man in charge .
Jose got sacked at Madrid sacked at Chelsea and will probably get sacked at United.
That's football .
With a bit of luck the next manager will be the right man because moyes, Lvg and Jose weren't.

I wanted Jose but I was wrong he is the wrong man for United a manager past his best and outdated .
It's ok to say your wrong.


10.) 12 Nov 2018 19:58:49
For me the issue is obvious, Jose is succesfully known to play a particular way but is having to adapt to a different playing philosophy. The board won't fully back him for the type of signings he needs to play his way so he is having to make do with the squad he has and the calibre of signings he does not want. for me the board need to either back him and adopt his approach or appoint some one who employs an attacking philosophy that matches the calibre of signings they want. it was telling after Bournmouth game when he said something along the lines of we've prepared for this all week in training. shows there is no identity if you have to adapt your tactics to an opposition like Bournemouth. he's on huge wages so won't walk away easily.


11.) 12 Nov 2018 20:03:50
Should we of given moyes more time time reading all the above?


12.) 12 Nov 2018 20:16:53
Jred

My deepest sympathies, you really have never got over Moyes being sacked. One thing you keep getting wrong, I was very clear before Moyes was even appointed he should never be anywhere United, a long way before a ball being kicked. You keep on missing that Jose/ Moyes CV comparison or don’t companies look at your CV before offering you a job?


13.) 12 Nov 2018 20:24:09
Agree with Redman.

Jose isn't right long term, but we need a direction to aim for, with football men running the football side of the club.


14.) 12 Nov 2018 20:36:11
Red man
Pele was a good player average now .
You were very clear about moyes? So was everyone else not many wanted him .
So you pick and choose who you support and expect everyone else listen to you .

A lot of people didn't want Jose anywhere near United as he wasn't a United type manager . They were right me and you wrong .

I didn't want moyes but was amazed at the lack of support from so called fans . How can anyone who calls themselves a fan want a manager sacked even before a ball has been kicked?
Moyes was wrong, Lvg wasn't the right fit but prob done better than the current incumbent is doing.
Hopefully the next manager is the right choice.


15.) 12 Nov 2018 20:54:51
You make very articulate points about structure, outlay and ownership redman and I enjoy reading yr posts without always agreeing. There may be many issues at the club but we have been 19 and 23 points adrift and are currently 12 points behind but in all likelihood heading for twenty odd behind and we are currently in November behind Watford and Bournemouth .

Our football is often awful and our team for the money spent on it should be way better. We looked a bit out of our depth against city and maybe it's because they have spent more but by that logic we should be better than most if not all other teams in the world bar city. I think people can find it hard to hear about all areas where things aren't going to well but very little said about the obvious to some main thing, the managers results, style and transfer record.

i'm not sure what evidence there is that refutes every player we have bought was run past and agreed with Jose. To on the whole not mention Jose much but point out all the other things wrong with the club to me is like someone holding yr head underwater in the bath and pointing out the tap is running too fast and the waters too deep but then not really mentioning the hand holding year head underwater.


16.) 12 Nov 2018 21:52:53
Slate
Great post.


17.) 12 Nov 2018 22:01:02
Slate151

I don’t think anyone should pretend where we are is acceptable, but I believe we need to understand this is not just a poor managerial performance. People who likely have never managed or been a leader are saying one of the worlds most successful managers is past it. People forget how awful SAF early years were even after he had been on a spending splurge. There are millions of wannabe managers on social media these days screaming for the guys head, a manager who has proved he knows what it takes to win, to get to the very top. At the same time the impact of owners who just don’t seem focussed on football success is ignored. Our ground hasn’t been improved whilst rivals have and plan more but this is ignored.

I am not “refuting” as you put it, every player was run past and agreed with Jose but I suspect that Jose has identified areas and if the powers at the club say this is what you are getting, does he have a choice or is it accept it or resign? None of us know the inner dynamic of transfer activity at the club so how can we completely blame him for every signing unless it is a desire to see him accept ultimate responsibility and get the sack. I stand by him right now because I don’t think there are many, if any, others who could do any better in the circumstances. The wrong appointment could see things worsen yet no one sees that, they only see improvement and glory and I think it is a very high risk thought process.


18.) 12 Nov 2018 22:35:24
Redman
A very large part of it comes from the poor performance of the manager.

SAF early years have no bearing on the current situation .

You suspect? You don't really know tho .
The manager takes responsibility that's the nature of the game .

It's all mirrors with you, Jose at present is doing a very poor job .

Please Give me your insight on the Liverpool owners and what they ate doing that is so good.


19.) 12 Nov 2018 22:41:03
We, man United are in a worse position after 12 games under the current incumbent than we found ourselves under the disaster that was D Moyes.


20.) 12 Nov 2018 23:45:25
Moyes had a far better side than Jose has now.


21.) 13 Nov 2018 06:45:18
Oh Jred

Still trying to show Moyes was better, he inherited a fully confident team of Champions, Jose a rag tag bunch from 3 previous managers.

A very large part comes from the poor performance of the players, they are the ones making regular errors, can't defend, can’t pass 5 yards or put the ball in the net. No Jose is not without blame or criticism but this is us failing as a club for many reasons not just the one you keep going on about.


22.) 13 Nov 2018 10:37:21
Redman
I'm not trying to show . oyes is better .
I'm pointing out your ridiculous double standards.


23.) 13 Nov 2018 11:05:50
Red Man, How is Sir ALex's early years even slightly comparable to Jose's current situation?

Sir Alex had taken over a club that had been nowhere near the top for 25 years, Jose took over a side that won the title 4 years previously.

Sir Alex was at the start of his career and was managing the biggest club he had ever managed at the time. Jose is heading towards the back straights of his career, having already managed huge clubs and in Real Madrid you could argue a bigger club than ours (certainly on a European level) .

Jose has been a great manager, no one can take that away from him. However, LvG had also been a great manager. Both are past their respective peaks and are on the decline. Obviously LvG is further along that decline than Jose is.

Jose will probably never with the UCL again, he certainly won't win the treble again. So its safe to say he is past his best.

Unfortunately the success Jose has had in his career means many young up and coming managers have studied his methods, learned from them and have worked out their weaknesses. Jose has to adapt to that or be left behind. He isn't showing much in the way of adaption at the present time.

Jose was the master at getting the most out of his squad, yet less than half our players look like they are playing for him.

Some will argue that it is the modern day player, too much too young, spoilt and unprepared to roll their sleeves up and put in a shift.

Yet many other managers are getting phenomenal work rate out of modern players. Pochettino, Pep, Klopp and Sarri are getting a real shift out of their players. Even Emery has the Arsenal squad that Wenger couldn't get working hard defensively putting in the hard yards.

Simeone has made Atletico Mardrid one of the hardest working teams anywhere in the world, even Griezmann puts in a shift for him.

So when do we start saying that it is the manager who can't get the players to work hard rather than the players attitudes that is the problem.


24.) 13 Nov 2018 19:15:56
Shappy

“Sir Alex was at the start of his career”, when he came to us is what you are saying. Off the top of my head he had been managing for about 12 years, including about 6 at Aberdeen winning leagues and cups and was about 46 years old when he came to Utd, only 9 years younger than Mourinho is now. So Mourinho was about 6 years older than SAF when he arrived.

Many of the other managers you mention have leadership above them that gives more direction and stability with a modern infrastructure, players don’t think the manager will be ditched when toxic fans start moaning loudly so they have to work. They knew SAF was going nowhere so it was work or get the boot, it is why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract to offset that psychology but it didn’t work.

When do we say the players are also a problem or doesn’t that suit the agenda?


25.) 14 Nov 2018 09:21:35
Red man, you want to blame the players to deflect Jose's poor performance as a manager.

I'm not saying the players are blameless, but it's the managers job to get the best out of them.

The same players Jose had at Chelsea when he was taking them to relegation won the league the following season under Conte.

The same players Jose couldn't get performing at Real have won 3 back to back UCL titles under Zidane.

Why is it that only the players playing for Jose Mourinho are lazy and won't work hard when other modern players are doing it all the time for other managers at top clubs?

When do we start to say Jose hasn't been able to adapt to modern players and he can't get them performing in the long term?


26.) 15 Nov 2018 15:02:17
Are people seriously trying to argue that Moyes inherited a better squad than Mourinho has currently?

Moyes inherited a squad which had been desperately in need of overhauling for years, which was being carried almost entirely by SAF's raw force of will. The current squad is vastly superior.

The points about the club's problems going beyond the manager are entirely valid, but that doesn't mean the manager isn't also a problem.

Mourinho should never have been signed. Many of us were saying it before he came, and it's as true now as it was then. Jose doesn't belong anywhere near a club like utd. Personally, once he signed, I put aside my personal opinions and got behind him. And in fairness, he wasn't the utter dissaster I expected, and he did a lot better than I expected. However, he still isn't the right manager for utd, any more than he was back then, and we are now slipping into exactly the situation I expected a couple of years ago.

Much as it galls me to say it, Liverpool have the manager we should have had. I know the timing didn't line up, but once Klopp became available, we should have dropped everything to sign him straight away. He is not only good enough, but his style of football has enough in common with the way we played under SAF, that it would have been a natural evolution, rather than throwing away our footballing identity completely and trying to build a totally different one instead, which Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have all tried to do.

Imagine players like Lingard, Martial and Rashford under a manager like Klopp.


 

 

10 Nov 2018 23:28:45
Question for the eds do you expect any signings in January?

redcon

{Ed001's Note - yes, no one got their work done in the summer, so the January window is likely to be busier all over than usual.}


 

 

 

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25 Jan 2020 19:38:13
Given the serious problems both on and off the pitch, we need to still push on, get Bruno and try for Somare from Lille, play 442. Play Bruno at 10 with Martial at 9. Then a strong Midfield four with the options when both McTominay and Pogba are back. We could have Somare, Fred, Matic, James, McTominay and Pogba and the rest (lingard etc) when really stuck. With 15 games left from February, mad as this sounds, top four is still possible. During the summer get in a new Manager and DOF we could attract some quality players too. Two good signing could change a lot for us, believe.

redcon

1.) 25 Jan 2020 20:19:40
But we aren’t going to get them.
If we do sign two it’ll be some random journeyman striker on loan and possibly a 16 year old kid for 30m.


2.) 25 Jan 2020 22:03:07
Bellingham was first reported in the Birmingham Mail as interesting United with a price tag of £15million, it was picked up by the nationals and it suddenly became £30 million.


 

 

24 Jan 2020 19:34:23
We need to give Ole some credit for what he has tried to do, change the lazy culture, blood youth and try to get that never say die attitude back.

He may not have the players or the skill to manage our club but he does want to do the right thing by the club.

redcon

{Ed047's Note - I guess one out of 3’s not bad. 👍🏼


1.) 24 Jan 2020 19:51:41
If he wanted to do the right thing he would resign.

He’s the one who agreed to let Fellaini, Lukaku, Herrera, and Sanchez go without replacements.
He’s the one who continually says he’s happy with our recruitment.
He’s the one who says he doesn’t want a DoF.

Ole remains in the job, as Ed001 says, because he won’t complain. He didn’t get the job on merit and knows he will never get a job at this level again. You say he doesn’t have the players, but he’s out in the press praising the club’s recruitment every second week. A cheerleader who is putting his own career ahead of the best interests of the club.


2.) 24 Jan 2020 20:18:23
Credit for what, has the football improved in the last 12 months?, is the squad better than 12 months ago?, is the intensity and pressing more evident in games?, do we see tactical awareness of how to win matches? . I could go on but its too depressing.


3.) 24 Jan 2020 20:21:00
Come on Danny. Even Fergie used to tell everyone what good owners the Glazers were, and how they'd always make money available for him if he needed it.

I don't get the 'why doesn't he speak out' issue. What manager, unless they want to commit professional suicide, or are looking to leave anyway, ever come out and criticise their board over lack of funds?

The manager never wins that one. Most recently, even Poch started with it, and look who won that one.


4.) 24 Jan 2020 20:56:44
Steve, I’m not sure SAF would be singing from that hymn sheet if his squad was this poor. He was, first and foremost, a winner and wouldn’t accept this.

With Ole it’s not that he doesn’t speak out, he actively parrots the club line. After he was hired the club put the breaks on the DoF position. When fans started complaining, Ole was out in front of the cameras saying he didn’t need one. Same with the Lukaku transfer, immediately out there saying he didn’t need to be replaced because we had Greenwood.

He’s either a mouthpiece for club Pr, or completely deluded. Neither is going to help the club get back to challenging.


5.) 24 Jan 2020 22:28:30
Well said noucamp. There's plenty to complain about, but too many are looking for a convenient narrative and will find a theory to fit it.


6.) 24 Jan 2020 22:30:34
I know what you're getting at, but I just don't know what he can say in public. LVG and Jose never came out and questioned the board openly. Jose did near the end, and he got the sack. Same with Poch. Who knows what the conversations are behind closed doors?


7.) 24 Jan 2020 22:48:49
this is the man who was very vocal about the glazers should not take over our great club. yet since a bit of abuse has started he wants us to treat them as family. funny how a big fat pay check changes his views.


8.) 25 Jan 2020 00:00:48
There’s a lot of mitigating circumstances but don’t believe for one minute Ole is looking anything like good enough.


9.) 25 Jan 2020 08:41:00
Ole's issue as a manager has always been inconsistency, a few good results followed by a few bad results, unfortunately you need consistency to win the league these days.


10.) 25 Jan 2020 10:13:14
Lads, I know there's plenty of other things wrong, but I just don't get slating a manager for doing what every other single manager does.


11.) 25 Jan 2020 11:26:14
It’s really hard to say one way or another with such incompetence surrounding him. it would be fair to say most would struggle with this situation.

Ole has got rid of the dead wood
He has improved a number of players.
He has started to change the culture.

His in game tactics and team selection are awful.
His Pressers are ridiculous.
Injuries from over playing

We know on the above he’s kind of standard moans for EPL fans but this not elite Utd level.

I do think it is hard to judge him with what he’s working with and what transfers or lack of have happened.

We are failing all over and need a clean sweep with a DoF coming in to sort the football side and pack Ed and the commercal guys down to London where they can work on noodle partners and official egg partners etc

I’m not particularly fussed if Ole stays or goes more concerned with the structure above.

{Ed047's Note - from the outside it’s impossible to know what goes on above the manager, they are all, the spokesperson for their respective clubs and none are going to disparage their bosses or the club because surely that causes more unrest.

The owners have poured a massive amount and I mean, massive amount of money, into the team. I could only dream of that happening at Arsenal.

Mistakes have been made with players and managers but it doesn’t appear to be for the want of trying on the owners part.

My opinion, but they seem to be stepping back from that what has been described as a “Scatter gun” approach and were more measured in the summer.

You have to give them time now, again my opinion, to see where it goes, frustration lies at OGS’s feet right now because of how the team perform. I’m not sure he’s right for you but players and I’ll include Pogba are woefully letting him down.

This measured approach could well lead to change in the summer but the owners must be looking at everything with a view to getting the whole thing back on track.


12.) 25 Jan 2020 11:56:58
Everyone all slags the glazers off but let's not forget why Fergie defends them as he was the reason they ended up here in the first place.


13.) 25 Jan 2020 12:00:19
Redcon if ole wants to do the right thing by the club then he should walk away now. Show up Woodward and owners for what they are and what life under them is really like.


14.) 25 Jan 2020 11:58:52
Ed047, most United fans don't feel the Glazers have spent much money because the money spent is made by the club.

However, as we can see with Arsenal, a club can make a large amount of money but that doesn't mean it HAS to be spent on the team. It could just go to line the pockets of the owners.

The Glazers bought the club to make money, they could have pocketed the 900m they have spent in the last 7 years, but they didn't they spent it on the squad.

The real questions shouldn't be why haven't we got MORE money to spend, but why has it been allowed to be spent so poorly for so long.

{Ed047's Note - yes I understand that money spent is generated by the club but either way it’s a huge amount that has been spent on the team.

I’m sure all owners also want to make money, why would they want to lose it.

They won trophies when the first arrived with Fergie and I can’t believe they don’t still want too, where as some are content with a fourth place trophy very very few were built into the global brand you are and to maintain that global brand fourth place can no way be enough.

Thus I believe they won’t be sitting on their hands but doing all they can to get you back to the top. Clearly nowhere near quickly enough for many.


15.) 25 Jan 2020 13:35:00
It's a tricky one. At no point in the last 30 years have Liverpool dropped out of the top ten most supported club world wide. So there is a precedent of a top club maintaining a global icon and attracting large sponsorship and merchandising without actually winning the league or challenging.


16.) 25 Jan 2020 14:33:30
Damo Glazers are he because of Sir Alex and his dealings with JP McManus etc


Fergie was an amazing manager but not the best human.


 

 

23 Jan 2020 22:33:00
Is the reluctance to pay the fee for Fernandez based in previous so-called playmakers who just never made it, thinking on Kagawa, voted best player in Germany the year we bought him, we bought Mkhitaryan, again top player, but never did anything for us in the premier league. If they are afraid to invest they won't ever buy anyone, every player purchased is a gamble of sorts.

redcon

1.) 23 Jan 2020 23:30:09
Sky are reporting that utd messed them about:

"United agreed a £55m deal in principle with Sporting, only to lower their offer to £42m after hearing the Portuguese club were in desperate need for money before the end of this month"

"Jorge Mendes flew to Manchester with Sporting's president, Frederico Varandas, and his director of football, Hugo Viana, to finalise a deal with United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

Following the conclusion of their trip to the UK, Varandas' mood was mixed. He was sorry to be losing a star player, but glad that a transfer fee of £55m had been agreed in principle with United.

In the days that followed, Varandas' optimism was tempered by a change in stance from United.

Rather than progressing with the agreed £55m deal, United said they were only willing to offer £42m for Fernandes.

United, prompted by the belief Sporting were desperate for funds before the end of this month, thought the Portuguese club would accept the lower offer"


2.) 24 Jan 2020 04:40:08
Who knows if true, but seems to mirror Ed2’s views on our amateur way of doing business. If this is the case what a set of underhand sharks.


3.) 24 Jan 2020 08:52:15
Eden that's the story i believe that we tried to blindside them BF signed a new contract in november that had an 68 million pound cause in it now we were getting a deal with them willing to accept 55 million that's 13 million discount because they need the money so we should have thanked them and paid the money but ou no because we think were mighty Man Utd we thought we could bully them into taking less.
I would have done exactly what sporting have done and made them pay the full buy out clause quite right I say bullies should never win that's we teach our kids when their in the playground why should it be any different in business.


 

 

01 Jan 2020 22:28:38
Player attitude, is the main difference for me, when the attitude is right we look great and win games, when it's off we lose. Arsenal played to our strength tonight, they push up didn't sit deep, so we should have been flying, but piss poor attitude along with poor passing killed us.

On a separate note Maguire is really poor, he was bought because he can pass out from the back, problem is, he passes to the opposition. I fear January won't yield any signings either, just see out the league now, New manager in May and start the "rebuild' all over again.

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29 Dec 2019 23:44:41
I'm glad we didn't sign Haaland, l think for a kid playing in a weak Austrian League the prices quoted plus that Leech of an agent reported fees were way too much of a gamble. Reading ED002's update, think we stick with what we have until the summer, maybe they are having a last look at Ole before either saying good bye or backing him.

redcon

1.) 30 Dec 2019 09:14:18
I am glad that we haven't thrown money this time just for the sake of it. Its best that due diligence is done before investing in a player. We do need a striker but one that is experienced and would provide something different to what we already have, someone like a Cavani or Lewandowski.

But let's stop calling Austrian league a weak league just because we didn't sign a player. Norwegian league isn't any better and we have a manager from that league.


2.) 30 Dec 2019 10:46:16
I said weeks ago that I didn't think Haaland was the right profile of striker we needed.

I feel we need a striker who plays well with his back to goal, someone who can create space and opportunities for his teammates. Haaland is a very good prospect, but hasn't as yet shown the ability to be a target man type striker.

I also feel we would be better off signing a striker between the ages of 26-30 ideally. We have Martial (24), Rashford (22) and Greenwood (18). All young players, for a more balanced squad we could do with a more experienced striking option. Someone at their peak would be ideal.

Finally, if we are to sign a player in January then it would be ideal if we signed someone with EPL experience. We have seen many times players often take a while to adapt to the pace of our league. Especially when moving mid-season. They don't have time to find a place to live, get used to to area, train with their new teammates without pressure. Summer signings at least have a pre-season to acclimatise to their new team and get a chance to find a place to live and get settled before they are expected to perform on the pitch.
Rarely do you see a player with no EPL experience join a club in January and they hit the ground running and lift the teams performances.


3.) 30 Dec 2019 12:04:09
Shappy, I feel that if Martial shows maturity with his attitude and work rate, we may not need a striker.
We must also consider that Greenwood almost scores every time when he is on the pitch.
So we have 2 players with huge potential at the perfect age.

Instead we can focus on the RW. Rashford has 16 goals this season from left side of attack. If a new signing on the right side contributes more or less the same, we will be in a great position.
Dan James can provide cover on both the wings.

A top class no 10 to compliment the attacking trio will help this team masively.


4.) 30 Dec 2019 12:12:30
shappy cavani's contract expires in the summer, but i think i saw he is on the verge of going athletico Madrid.

i agree we need a striker, we don't really need an experienced striker just someone who fits the system and can score.


5.) 30 Dec 2019 13:14:43
Martial. is injury prone aswell. We lack strength in depth and a plan B.


6.) 30 Dec 2019 13:25:46
As we saw when martial was injured we moved rashford forward and struggled. Since martial came back and rashford moved left he's been banging them in. We need depth and a plan b.


7.) 30 Dec 2019 13:46:42
Bring in Giroud. excellent for the way we play and will be immense against the sides who sit deep.


8.) 30 Dec 2019 15:29:25
Ryan, keep banging the drum mate although I’m not sure anyone is listening.


9.) 30 Dec 2019 15:57:06
I'd rather have Andy Cole at his current age than giroud.


10.) 30 Dec 2019 16:35:25
giroud is underrated. as a plan B he wouldn't be such a bad shout.


11.) 30 Dec 2019 19:48:11
Shame is he being used as Chelsea’s plan C/ D. Giroud will move to start games - which hopefully more won’t be to Old Trafford.


12.) 30 Dec 2019 23:20:40
Is he more or less underrated that Mr Carrick 🤣.


13.) 31 Dec 2019 00:16:15
might as well bring crouch out of retirement.


14.) 31 Dec 2019 10:02:23
How about dzeko?

Knows the league already
6'4"
33 yo so probably couldn't play twice a week so ideal for rotation and as a sub for a couple of years.?


 

 

 

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