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Review Of The Day 25th September 2018

25 Sep 2018 07:29:01
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24 Sep 2018 12:25:31
Wow, nice to see pogba letting everyone know 'attack' should have been the primary thought on joses' mind when playing at home! -seems he really does want to be jumping on a plane in january for pastures new! -and yes, you can say he's just answering a question honestly and expressing his feelings, but surely as club captain (if it meant anything to him) he'd have toed the club line with diplomacy?, i bet his agents' phone is blowing up right now, mission disloyalty continues-yet another dressing room battle for jose, does he reprimand him or put his hand round his shoulder, either way its catch 22.

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24 Sep 2018 13:41:59
Classof82,

He isn't club captain. Also, everything he says is blown up so much it is ridiculous, did he say anything the rest of us aren't thinking? He thinks we should attack and take the game to teams at OT, hardly controversial.

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24 Sep 2018 15:24:38
GDS2-Fair point, but surely even in his deluded world he must realise his comments aren't exactly helping matters, whether you like jose or not, you have to admit he has indulged pogba far more than most managers would, bearing in mind there seems to be the sense of the team starting to tick means any comments should be of a positive nature for the good of the team, but maybe i'm wrong so hands up, my bad.

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24 Sep 2018 18:03:31
The comments bug me tbh honest everything seemed to be settling down the with one quote here we go again.

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24 Sep 2018 20:16:59
After Pogba's pathetic lack of commitment on Saturday he would be wiser to keep his mouth shut. We as fans can SEE him not bothering to put a shift in.

One sublime but of skill is not enough.

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24 Sep 2018 21:20:22
I think when pressed on why United did not adopt a more positive, his comments where worse .

"I can't tell you because I'm a player, " said Pogba. "It's not me.

"I am not the manager, I cannot, like, say that, but obviously we should show more options of playing.

"But I cannot say that, because I'm a player. That's my way of thinking - we should move better. We should move more, yeah. "


Then again if the manager is happy to critise a player to the media is it a shock if a player mentions the manager to the media?

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24 Sep 2018 21:36:08
Engineering himself a January move by any chance?

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24 Sep 2018 21:50:52
The unfortunate thing is that pogba is a very good player. Just not good enough often enough for us.
The more unfortunate thing is that he seems a mutinous little person as well.
He really needs to shut his mouth until he starts doing the very least that he is paid to do. I. e. give 100% every minute of every game for the fans that pay their hard earned money to watch him kick around a pigskin.

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25 Sep 2018 07:00:07
Sounds to me like Pogba wants things done his way, how he sees them or it is part of his agitating to get out. There is a huge difference between the manager commenting and a player. Pogba is a player and needs to do what he is told by the manager, end of. Frankly, he needs to keep his mouth shut and start performing to the standard he is paid for. Pogba is a player who was softly dispossessed leading to the Wolves goal so is in no position to mouth off about anything, actually he should be apologising.

He needs to be fined and put back in his place but selected to play until he earns the respect and shows that he is the player he, in his head, thinks he is. He seems to have been selective when he puts the effort in and that needs to change. You play football with your head and feet not your mouth.

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25 Sep 2018 07:18:32
In fairness, you do play with your mouth. Vocal communication is an essential skill for a top class player.

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24 Sep 2018 11:44:24
Sanchez has got to be dropped at this stage. He should have been dropped a long time ago but he offers absolutely nothing at the minute. I think martial definitely warrants a run in the side too. He wasn't amazing against young boys but he earned his shirt for the next game in my opinion. Jose comes out and says before wolves that he won't start because he played 90 mins in midweek, why not, Sanchez was fresh and was tripe against wolves, martial is a young fit not, why can't he play 180 mins of football in a week. I'm no Mo Farah but I used to play 1 80 minute rugby match after another when I was 21.
DROP SANCHEZ IMMEDIATELY, HE CURRENTLY OFFERS LESS THAN NOTHING.

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24 Sep 2018 12:37:38
Both Sanchez and Lingard should be line for being dropped. Sanchez has been marginally better, but that isn’t saying much. Both players play too narrow and congest our attacking play. We need players who can stretch teams and open up space for Lukaku and the midfielders.

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24 Sep 2018 12:38:01
Sanchez at least looks bothered.

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24 Sep 2018 15:28:49
Ross -

I've written a lot about balance in my posts recently and that's what we need to find if we are to improve.

It's depressing to consider that we are not even in October and a title challenge is already looking about as likely as pigs flying. This is simply unacceptable.

Whilst I've argued for patience we must not lose our ambition. Blind faith will not fill the trophy cabinet and there must come a point where we have to say this is simply not good enough.

Perhaps the most chastising problem of our current predicament is the form of Alexis Sanchez. Snatched from under the noses of City and paid a kings ransom this was the player deemed capable of taking us to the next level sadly this has not yet materialised.

I honestly believe there is a team in there somewhere or at least better than we're seeing at the moment but we must find a balance if we are to perform more consistently.

Having watched us for over two seasons under Jose I see no development in terms of style or patterns of play. Lindelof and Bailly have yet to establish themselves. I have no idea what role Fred was signed to perform. Sanchez is often deployed so deep he's unable to influence the game. We still have no recognised or consistent right sided forward. I don't see where we're going or what he's trying to build.

I actually think Sanchez's current form in on Mourinho. I'm so glad we didn't sign Fred because I think we'd have seen exactly the same thing. Sanchez comes alive in the final third. He needs to play in and around the box with players in support so he can play quick one twos and look for through balls. He rarely collects the ball in dangerous situations and when he does he's often isolated with only a hopeful long ball or cross into Lukaku being his only option. He doesn't have the strength or power to run with the ball from deeper areas and carry us up the pitch. For Mourinho's style we need ball carriers in the wider areas that can run with power and pace opening up space for others. Conversely Pogba also needs runners to play the ball forward or to open up the space in midfield for him to gallop into.

At the moment we're a horrible little halfway house. We have power players such as Pogba who wants to play the ball forward quickly or carry it through midfield and Lukaku that thrives off crosses interwoven with smaller more diminutive players such as Lingard, Sanchez and Fred that like to play more intricate short passes the result being we do neither and nobody seems to know their job or understand their role.

Maybe a solution to this problem would be a change of system.

3-5-2 gives us stability at the back and options going forward. In Shaw and Dalot we potentially have two young, powerful wing backs that can provide natural width, open up the pitch, carry the ball forward and put crosses into the box. Sanchez can play upfront next to Lukaku where he has more options around him and we get him on the ball in more dangerous areas. His best football in a Utd shirt came in pre season where he played up front. If he doesn't improve then we get Rashford or Martial in their favoured position. The CB's have cover providing us the defensive stability we require.

If Jose sticks with 4-3-3 as I expect he will I fear we'll see more results like yesterday and yet more inconsistency. I've actually liked the midfield trio of Matic, Fellaini and Pogba but one player missing can't just bring the house down.

Let's see what the next match brings. Defeat to West Ham in another tough looking fixture will have the vultures circling yet again.

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24 Sep 2018 15:28:49
Ross -

I've written a lot about balance in my posts recently and that's what we need to find if we are to improve.

It's depressing to consider that we are not even in October and a title challenge is already looking about as likely as pigs flying. This is simply unacceptable.

Whilst I've argued for patience we must not lose our ambition. Blind faith will not fill the trophy cabinet and there must come a point where we have to say this is simply not good enough.

Perhaps the most chastising problem of our current predicament is the form of Alexis Sanchez. Snatched from under the noses of City and paid a kings ransom this was the player deemed capable of taking us to the next level sadly this has not yet materialised.

I honestly believe there is a team in there somewhere or at least better than we're seeing at the moment but we must find a balance if we are to perform more consistently.

Having watched us for over two seasons under Jose I see no development in terms of style or patterns of play. Lindelof and Bailly have yet to establish themselves. I have no idea what role Fred was signed to perform. Sanchez is often deployed so deep he's unable to influence the game. We still have no recognised or consistent right sided forward. I don't see where we're going or what he's trying to build.

I actually think Sanchez's current form in on Mourinho. I'm so glad we didn't sign Fred because I think we'd have seen exactly the same thing. Sanchez comes alive in the final third. He needs to play in and around the box with players in support so he can play quick one twos and look for through balls. He rarely collects the ball in dangerous situations and when he does he's often isolated with only a hopeful long ball or cross into Lukaku being his only option. He doesn't have the strength or power to run with the ball from deeper areas and carry us up the pitch. For Mourinho's style we need ball carriers in the wider areas that can run with power and pace opening up space for others. Conversely Pogba also needs runners to play the ball forward or to open up the space in midfield for him to gallop into.

At the moment we're a horrible little halfway house. We have power players such as Pogba who wants to play the ball forward quickly or carry it through midfield and Lukaku that thrives off crosses interwoven with smaller more diminutive players such as Lingard, Sanchez and Fred that like to play more intricate short passes the result being we do neither and nobody seems to know their job or understand their role.

Maybe a solution to this problem would be a change of system.

3-5-2 gives us stability at the back and options going forward. In Shaw and Dalot we potentially have two young, powerful wing backs that can provide natural width, open up the pitch, carry the ball forward and put crosses into the box. Sanchez can play upfront next to Lukaku where he has more options around him and we get him on the ball in more dangerous areas. His best football in a Utd shirt came in pre season where he played up front. If he doesn't improve then we get Rashford or Martial in their favoured position. The CB's have cover providing us the defensive stability we require.

If Jose sticks with 4-3-3 as I expect he will I fear we'll see more results like yesterday and yet more inconsistency. I've actually liked the midfield trio of Matic, Fellaini and Pogba but one player missing can't just bring the house down.

Let's see what the next match brings. Defeat to West Ham in another tough looking fixture will have the vultures circling yet again.

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24 Sep 2018 15:48:12
So good they posted it twice 😂😂😂 (only joking)!

To be honest I have no idea what's wrong just my thoughts poured out in writing. I'll have changed my mind by tomorrow, it all makes for good discussion if nothing else. The great thing about football is there's always another game just around the corner.

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24 Sep 2018 21:44:48
Haha great post dlib.

I really don't know either and my opinions change day to day. There seems so many issues at times.

Valencia is past it imo, fantastic servant to the club he had been but he offers nothing attacking wise and can also be questionable positionally in defence. Dalot is the present aswell as the future.
Smalling and lindelof are just not good enough as a partnership. The likes of smalling might have worked with an alderwerield or someone of the I'll. Our cbs are being babysat by Fellaini who had been doing a good job. In the 1st Fellaini sat and protected lindelof but 2nd half was pushed further forward and lindelof was exposed.
Shaw has done nothing wrong thus far and has been one of our better performers.
I'm not convinced on Matic at the minute and haven't been since the 2nd half of last season. I know he has had an injury so may be excused.

Fellaini is a necessary evil as a starter for the min as he is making our cbs look better than they actually are.

Pogba should be bossing games, he has everything in his locker, I'm not his biggest fan and think he could do much better but at the same time he's often one of the only bits of class.

Sanchez is muck. All he seems to do is get in people's way and lose possession when he does get the ball.

Lingard is not much better. Perhaps resting on the laurels of last year a bit too much.

Lukakau. I am loathe to say too much negative about him but he's kind of expected to be the only 1 to score our goals lately, needs some help, better service and definitely the occasional rest.

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24 Sep 2018 09:28:07
First off the fallout from a draw against a very good Wolves team is as always over the top. I'm not a Mourinho fan, but all teams drop points. We had an off day against a good side who were up for it.

I think the overall quality of the league has massively improved in the last 10 years. The TV money I the EPL means teams like Stoke, West Brom and Leicester have been able to outspend teams such as AC Milan. To put that into context teams in our league who will be fighting relegation can spend more money on players and wages than the team that has won the European cup the second most times.

There are no such things as easy games in the EPL anymore. We have a league where all the teams are capable of bringing in top managers, and top players.

So we need to stop with this entitled idea that we should be brushing aside any team outside the top six 4 or 5 nil. This is further seen that 10 years ago we had maybe three teams really challenging for a title at most, now that is up to six. The gap between the top and the bottom has been closed up.

This is the new reality, we need to stop judging today's world by yesterday's standard.

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24 Sep 2018 10:10:19
There's a few more competitive teams this season by the looks of things, but even last season the teams from 7-20 were all 'should win' games for the top 6 home and away. Apart from Burnley, whom any top team should've beat last year, every team went through a period where relegation was plausible, not because the league was strong but because there was 13 very bad teams.

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24 Sep 2018 11:12:53
Shappy - I can only speak for myself, but I am judging based on the current standards. You also have to factor in our history and pedigree to a degree otherwise what's the point in supporting a team?

Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City seem to be coping pretty well with the so-called improvement in lesser teams. Fundamentally there will always be whipping boys and whilst Wolves at home is trickier than it would have been last time they were in the league it still should be a no messing 3 points. As should a game against Brighton.

We were very lucky to beat Leicester at home as well first game of the season. They outplayed us if you recall. Even Young Boys looked the better team until Pogba scored midweek - we look completely clueless when we have the ball.

There are easy games in the league. Liverpool battered Southampton, Man City battered Cardiff the same day we struggled against Wolves. Did you not see any of this? Almost every week we say massive hammerings.

We should be playing with style, dominating games against mid-table teams and creating chances galore. Instead it's slow, disjointed, uninspiring and wasteful. We add hundreds of million in talent every year and look no further along than we did during his first year in charge.

If we don't improve soon we will genuinely be struggling to qualify for CL next season and maybe even the Europa League. The players don't seem right, the manager doesn't seem right, the attitude of too many of our fans is not right - how long does it take to make changes? Of the 10 games I watched during the weekend ours was the least fun and that is a frequent occurrence.

I'd advise you to stop making up excuses for the poor performances (and clearly poor training/ preparation/ Tactical decisions) . We need to hold these things to the fire, not mislead or delude ourselves that there is a not a huge problem with almost everything at our club currently.

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24 Sep 2018 11:15:14
Shappy you forgot to mention that all the things you wrote applied only to Manchester United. All top teams don't drop points now. I can say a couple of teams have already won the match before they even step onto the pitch against lower teams (which used to be case with United during Fergie years) .
If other top teams do somehow drop points, they still dominate the match and are just unlucky. You are absolutely right that the overall quality of lower teams has improved a lot but the same can be said about top teams. And these top teams don't find it difficult to put in 3-4 goals and dominate matches.
This is the new reality and we need to up our game if we want to have any chance of qualifying for CL next season.

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24 Sep 2018 12:17:57
This has to be the lamest excuse you could possibly make for the current position you find yourself in.

These improving clubs have spent 10’s of millions to improve their teams, you have spent 100’s of millions and have never been so bad.

Like us, these so called weaker teams, look at playing us as an opportunity to get at the minimum a point. No one is afraid of us anymore. They park their buses against City and Liverpool and go for it against us.

De Gea is your one saving grace as without him you’d be screwed in your current guise. Mourinho is truly a busted flush who should be nowhere near your club. If he was the Mourinho of old he’d have worked his magic long before now.

Some of you have been and are sounding like Arsenal fans during the last years of Wengers reign.

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24 Sep 2018 13:36:05
The correct context is the fact that our peer group is performing better team for team than us. The issue is simply that while we now have improved wingbacks and a very good midfield that our striker is clumsy and inept and that the two wide players are unproductive. Striker shoukd be replaced by Martial. Left forward should be Rashford despite his limitations. Put Andreas on the right. Quicker, slicker and more penetrative.

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24 Sep 2018 18:45:41
Beast, you've got it spot on. I'm tearing my hair out with all the rubbish that comes out from our manager and players. I'm also baffled beyond belief of the lame excuses our optimistic, positive fans are prepared to chirp out every week.
City or Liverpool will hammer wolves at their grounds. Simple as that.
As you rightly say, every match we've played, we've conceded the ball deep in our half, played lazy football and put in 50% effort.
Worryingly, our tactics have been shocking too, we play well for 45mins against Watford, then we try to shut shop and nearly give two points away. We come out against Brighton, with a park the bus attitude amd concede ground and we're well beaten. The win against Young Boys was fortunate, as they had two golden chances to score before Pogba's opener.
I am worried this team could not even make top 10.

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24 Sep 2018 19:39:23
I would say Wolves are pretty good team. They won't surrender to anyone. They went toe to toe with City.
P. c. Liverpool fan.

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Review Of The Day 24th September 2018

24 Sep 2018 07:29:01
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23 Sep 2018 21:45:41
The problem I see is we can't get rid of anyone, to many average players, some from as far back as SAF, to many who should of just gone, but have either got long contracts, been given extensions, in the hope we make some money, or nobody else is interested in. IMO Jones, never been good enough. Smalling, frustrates, all the talent seems to lack desire. Rojo, a monster at times, a pussycat waiting an injury or mistake at others. Young, done his job time to go. Valencia, great service, either retire or squad player. Fellaini, should've gone in summer.
And no need to sign another defender, got Tzuanabe, Fosuh, Bailly, Lindelof, although he could be easily replaced, Shaw, Dalot.
Arguably Sanchez, hardly set the world on fire.
To many average players. Not enough desire. Even Lingard and Rashford seem disinterested and they're supposedly homegrown with a passion for the club.
The only players I see regularly and hear with a passion for MUFC seem to be DeGea, Herrera and Mata . All Spanish . Yet last two are squad players to José. I'd rather see effort and desire every game than what we see now.

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24 Sep 2018 09:02:11
Good luck getting rid of sanchez, no club of sensible thinking would touch him at that wage.

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Liverpool v Southampton Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective

23 Sep 2018 21:26:23
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23 Sep 2018 16:02:35
Trying so hard to keep the faith in José.

What I'd give to see a swashbuckling 4-4-2 with a dynamic forward pairing and skillful, driven wingers.

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23 Sep 2018 17:28:20
Think José has reached his zenith at United. Ironic José saying he expected more from his players when the fans expected more from him.

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23 Sep 2018 19:17:26
I expect more from the players at home, he picked the strongest side possible, and they struggled big time to break Wolves down, hows that Jose fault?

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23 Sep 2018 20:11:26
His team, his tactics. José's third year now, are we progressing?
For me the turning point has been the Sanchez signing, someone to take us to the next level and challenge, something we all applauded at the time but with hindsight we will probably look back on as a mistake.
Jose complains about not having defensive reinforcements, but our issue for the last 6 years has simply been not scoring enough goals, we have not scored more than 70 goals in a season since 2012/ 13.

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23 Sep 2018 20:42:08
Ok, I’m a long way from being a Jose fan but yesterday that was the players who didn’t work or try. There was a lack of urgency, a casualness that has become all too frequent. I know not how to solve it but like Jose, I am tearing my hair out.

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23 Sep 2018 22:11:44
Players reflect their manager's attitude, maybe José calling out players in public rather than behind closed doors is where this all stems from. Are the players really playing for him anymore?

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Premier League Previews 23 September 2018

23 Sep 2018 10:31:48
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23 Sep 2018 08:18:30
Celtic fan here I used to love watching Man U growing up and realise just how good a manager Fergie was in the 90s 00s the team was full of leaders now it looks like the players are taking a wage and giving nothing in return.

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23 Sep 2018 11:08:32
This bunch of players think that winning two games in a row gives them a pass for a less than sparkling performance. I'm sick and tired of the oft repeated "we must do better" mantra the players give after a poor performance. This bunch of wage thieves are simply not good enough. I have given Mourinho and this team my fullest backing and they continue to frustrate, it's time to get someone else at the helm and give him the backing and carte blanche to do whatever he thinks is necessary. Getting shot of quite a few of the lazy @rsed players might be a start.

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{Ed025's Note - harsh george..but fair..

23 Sep 2018 12:35:09
How do we know he didn't try and get rid of them and we failed to do so.

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23 Sep 2018 13:30:38
Charlie and Georgie, absolutely spot on. I've had enough of excuses as many fans have. They turn up and play half hearted, lazy football, then come out after and "must do better", lame excuses.
They're getting away with murder and myself and several of my friends who have been season ticket holders since 1970, have never seen such apathy within the players.
They can stuff it, as i won't be spending hard earned money on this dross. I've seen United teams with half the skill of the current team, but they always tried their hearts out. This team has no soul, no direction, no leaders, no respect.

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23 Sep 2018 13:51:40
George, you think bringing ANOTHER manager will make the owners cough up to buy a new squad? your as deluded as the rest of the manager out brigade.

Mourinho wants to do what ever is necessary to turn the squad around, but he's not allowed. he's a head coach not a manager.

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23 Sep 2018 14:55:14
Spot on AAA sick of this shower and there excuses. Overpaid and simply not good enough. They all think there world superstars which is laughable. There not fit to lace the boots of some of the genuine world class players we’ve had in the past. can't believe how many supporters now accept mediocrity and some of there excuse for rubbish performances are laughable.

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23 Sep 2018 15:18:08
FZZ
I'm not one that subscribes to changing managers at the drop of a hat but something is obviously wrong with our current set up. I really wanted Mourinho to succeed just to put two fingers up to the media boys that have been on his case, the only way of doing so would be to go on a meaningful run of games with some positive results. The manager and his teams are unable to deliver consistently and it is no fun watching every team we face being a better footballing outfit than we are currently demonstrating. Real Madrid are constantly evolving and change their managers quite regularly, should we stick with something that is obviously not working just to prove we aren't a sacking club? Our rivals seem to identify weaknesses and do something about it, Chelsea recently won the Premier league and had a nightmare the following season, they did something about it, Pep made ruthless changes to rectify the failings within Man City they were proactive rather than reactive, Liverpool are now beginning to see the fruit of their managers actions and their player recruitment seems to be light years ahead of ours. The three clubs I've singled out have all recently rectified areas within their clubs that were deemed to be falling short of what was required and in a short space of time, I just want Utd to do the same.

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23 Sep 2018 17:27:54
For me its not about sacking managers. I think it needs to be looked at from above firstly.

Also some players are not a good fit for us. They don't try hard enough.

Pep made changes because he has all the say so with what he wants, Jose doesn't.

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23 Sep 2018 17:36:09
Mourinho has had ample time and funds to show progress, are we better than last year? Replacing José is not an option at the moment, but come the summer the owners should look at who is available.

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23 Sep 2018 19:18:18
I wish the owners would make themselves available.

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23 Sep 2018 19:46:29
Can't blame the owners, they have provided the funds and let the manager do what he wants as far as we know.
With every manager that comes in Fergie's shoes get that little bit bigger.

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23 Sep 2018 20:05:09
I think we have been spoilt by Sir Alex who was found lacking at times tactically, but was a level above all other managers in being able to extract maximum effort from his players in every game.

I don't think there is another manager alive who could get the same effort from a superstar player in a dead rubber game at the end of the season as he could in a cup final.

That was what set Sir Alex a class a part from all other managers.

Think about it logically, not one of us give 100% at work every single day. In fact how many of us give 100% at work one day a week? A real 100% where you physically, mentally and emotionally couldn't have given anymore?

Yet we expect this from our players? The often given reason for this is because how much they get paid. But no one ever considers the same things that stop us being able to give our best in our jobs might effect the players in theirs.

Has anyone ever had a colleague signed off work for stress? Or depression or anxiety? Yet who has heard of a player being signed off? These things effect them as well. Maybe that explains what we consider strange team selections?

The fact is under every manager, for every team in the world players have off days. It can't always be attributed to such simple things like the players couldn't be bothered. Or the manager couldn't motivate them. They are people and have complicated lives, just like us.

Sir Alex was a genius as he was able to make sure that the 11 players on the pitch always gave 100%, probably because he wouldn't pick someone he knew wouldn't be able to give 100% at that moment.

However, it's probably unfair to expect that to continue under different managers. Some times we will have players unable to give 100% some of the time.

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23 Sep 2018 20:36:01
Sir Alex was a big believer in sports science and during his tenure quite a lot of detail went into securing the best dietary and physical needs including gyms where the players could receive the best possible instruction in keeping themselves at optimum fitness levels and it showed, Utd almost always looked fitter than their opponents. LVG or Jose must have had all the fittings ripped out and replaced them with a dartboard, pool table and a free bar, this set of players look a lot less sharp than their rivals.

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23 Sep 2018 20:45:27
SAF had the power of years of success behind him. Once the board backed him in the 90’s when he chose to break up the team and it succeeded he had control. That control meant the players knew they would go before SAF so they had to toe the line. The board gave Moyes a 6 year contract to try to replicate that “power” but it didn’t work and now we have so much undermining of Mourinho by the Exec VP and some fanes means his power is not as strong as it should be.
I cannot believe there is another on here defending the owners, “can’t blame the owners”, what? This summer they knew we needed several quality players in several positions and kept their hands in their pockets. The situation we are in is from higher than the manager and ignore it if you wish but another manager won’t make it work unless there is a unity of purpose.

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23 Sep 2018 21:10:11
Agree Blackpool Red. Lou Macari was talking about our juniors having this attitude problem a few years back. Now, we have senior players earning vast amounts who can't be bothered to put a shift in. Shappy, liverpool and City players don't seem to have a problem with work rate every match. Its up to the manager to keep them fresh and hungry. How many times have you seen Athletico Madrid players giving less than 100%? Simione makes sure he has them primed and ready every match. Their players have respect for the manager, the club and the fans. Our lot have no work ethic and mo respect.
A good old fashioned kick up the backside is the least that should be served up.
Performances like Brighton and Wolves are simply unacceptable. I am really disillusioned with them and the manager.

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23 Sep 2018 21:39:45
Your correct redman what have the board done for Jose he's finished two seasons at the club and apart from dalot, Bailly, lindelehoff, matic, Fred, pogba, Sanchez, lukaku, zlatan ibrahimovic and Miki he's been completely unbacked, how can he hope to compete only granted, a RB, 2 CBS, 3 CMS, 2 strikers and 2 widemen .
City have spent more so how can we compete although if that's the criteria of the big 6 the other 5 should be easy meat using that as a template
I know we had the rubbish he inherited and he's probably held at gunpoint to select those players above the ones he signed himself .
There's no way other teams simply bought better players than us who
are performing better than ours .
It's frustrating redman but apportion blame, the board should have accepted mistakes and bought a new CB, the players need a kick up the ass but the coach isn't tearing up any trees either .

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23 Sep 2018 22:22:43
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What is the difference between Simeone and Mourinho? Simeone is backed 100% by their board, is in an almost unassailable position so what he says goes, the players know that. Our decision makers have tried to put that in place but don’t back it up. The image this summer is a divide between the exec VP/ owners and the manager.

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The coach has not been completely unbacked, but his starting position was very much worse than Pep and City have unity of purpose. Chelsea had the league winning team from 12 months ago and Liverpool have invested heavily. It was not just a CB but a right sided attacker we needed, have for years. If the owners get rid of the manager now what state would the club be in? What are the present goings on saying about the club’s ambition?

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23 Sep 2018 22:50:48
Red nan. The difference is chalk to cheese. Simione is a coach that identifies with his players, he buys exactly what he needs, he trains them hard, he plays and backs them. They'll jump through hoops of fire for him as he's a fantastic man manager.
Mourinho has spent £400m on a mishmash of players with no clear plan. He has critisized most of the players he's bought, leading to loss of trust between players and manager. He's lost the plot and the dressing room.
The difference between the two managers is massive, I'm amazed if people can't see that.

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23 Sep 2018 23:18:47
Agree totally about a right sided player redman but how have Liverpool invested heavily and utd not been backed what are the figures since Jose's arrival . One of those statements can't be true .
I'm not advocating firing Jose unless position and points haul dictate it but we aren't at that point just yet .
I'm not sure what you mean what state would the club be in, of the big six we are the lowest already the saving grace is it's early doors and I'd like to give Jose time to change that as a burst of results would do so quickly, but I'd rather not die the death of a thousand cuts where every month we drop a few more behind until it's a chasm .

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24 Sep 2018 07:02:42
There's more sense in this thread than there has been on this site for a while now. It is clear that Jose has been brought in to overhaul the squad but the board has stopped just short of buying the premium ingredients we need, and often spent big on big names who don't really want to be here but they sell shirts and look good in other teams. The tactic of not backing your manager to the hilt is always going to trickle down to the players and fans and performances, and it's not working for us. The sooner we have a person or people giving a clear vision for the club, regardless of who the manager is, whether it's a DoF or something else, the better.

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