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21 Oct 2017 20:21:22
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21 Oct 2017 19:27:32
Great interviews with Jose where I thought he was brutally honest; they had more passion desire and a better attitude. Given the last few performances I think a sit down and open, honest, and direct discussion is needed along the lines of "what the hell has changed? ".

We have players not playing particularly well but we also have some who do not seem up for it, the first is understandable, the second is not.

Today, I think the debate about Martial or Rashford was answered, not sure what was going on in Martial's head but he was pretty dreadful. Mata was committed but had a poor game. Lukaku got stick on live chat but he never stopped running or trying, nor did Lingard. Young was as steady as ever but we lacked creativity throughout.

Bailly was a loss and then losing Jones left us with carnage at CB. Lindelof may settle but right now he looks way out of his depth.

So all in all a reality check. City look light years ahead of everyone right now, watch their pace and movement and then compare it to ours and the difference is all too evident. However, other than City I think the rest are much of a muchness.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with any of that AJH..good post mate..

21 Oct 2017 20:09:51
Ajh yr comment about us relative to City is spot on been saying the same for ages and they have young players who will be even better as they mature.

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21 Oct 2017 19:08:39
Well the wheels came off today didn't they? if we are all honest the displays of late have been quite poor. We have improved slightly on the LVG debacle but then again with the money shelled out we should have. The title has already been awarded to City by some posters on here but there is an awful lot of football to be played to enter into that nonsense. What's most disturbing is when it came to aerial battles we seemed to lose the majority of those along with the 50/ 50's on the ground.
Jose has got to start earning his very lucrative contract and desist from seemingly praising the attributes and methods of other clubs.

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{Ed025's Note - i thought he was honest to be fair georgie, he commented on their endeavour and desire being more than united,s and they were, once he sends them over the whitewash its up to the players mate, now im not his biggest fan by any means but i cant help agreeing with him on that..

21 Oct 2017 19:23:59
Fair enough EDo25.
Didn't mind him praising Huddersfield, they were praiseworthy the thing I was alluding to was the PSG fawning he demonstrated recently.

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{Ed025's Note - yeah that was out of order georgie, what we have to understand as well is that facing united is a team like huddersfield,s cup final mate, they put their hearts and souls into that performance...and united have to match that week in week out if they are to be contenders..

21 Oct 2017 19:30:37
In total agreement Ed025.

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21 Oct 2017 20:12:19
We are way short of being competitive enough to win titles here or in Europe. Pogba helps to drive us forward but where else is the drive and passion coming from? And we still need top top creative players.

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21 Oct 2017 18:50:33
Jose Mourinho: "We deserved to lose. The team that wanted it more, wanted to work more, compete more and be more aggressive, they won. And when the best team win, nothing to say.
I hope this means Jose will tear into them, and we see more desire in future.

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21 Oct 2017 18:01:20
I don't like to be too big headed but I am right all along, Maureen Pullis tactics will only be ok for a short time, hoofball is awful tactics, the teams at the start of the season you had was kind, now your mob our being found out which was obvious, but at least your mob enjoyed celebrating the title after 6 games, dear me fancy leaving the bus at home today.

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21 Oct 2017 18:16:30
It was a real good celebration, I imagine you lads are having an open top bus parade for beating Maribor. Looking forward to the game remaining 7 points tomorrow.

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21 Oct 2017 18:19:04
is this maze.

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21 Oct 2017 18:29:53
Some troll probably.

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21 Oct 2017 18:42:08
His mum and dad must be so proud.

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21 Oct 2017 18:44:17
Just some little mug who shows up when we have a bad result .
1st time heard of him this season.

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21 Oct 2017 18:48:26
We forgot our bus, you on the other hand lick the windows of yours.

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21 Oct 2017 19:11:53
Mighty reds?
Liverpool's trophy count over the last decade suggests they are anything but.

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21 Oct 2017 17:53:30
Why does it take us to concede a goal to wake up and speed up our play. Today before we woke up we had conceded 2. We should start from the first minute at speed like the second half play. We have been playing poorly for few weeks now, l think this defeat was threatening over the last few games.

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21 Oct 2017 19:12:47
In total agreement redcon.

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21 Oct 2017 17:52:04
Oh dear, well that was disappointing.

That is exactly the type of game I expected City to slip up in and not us.

Difficult cold, rainy, blustery conditions in front of a partisan crowd and a hardworking, fiercely competitive and organised unit. I expected Stones or Otamendi to make the kind of mistakes Lindelof made with Sterling giving the ball away in midfield then loads of possession trying to play intricate little passes through the centre of a congested pitch!

I thought we had the power and pace to cope with those types of conditions and teams but we looked vulnerable and lightweight without Pogba, Fellaini and Bailly especially when Jones went off!

We had no cutting edge going forward! Oh well, brought back down to earth with a crashing thud. Our next few games (Spurs, Chelsea) will probably define our season such is the form of City at the moment (Title challenge or top 4)!

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21 Oct 2017 17:49:08
This season is already reflecting what we saw last season. A good start, then we lost against Watford and it all went pear shaped. I honestly don't think we're any better than last year.
I think the tactics are very cautious and we look depressingly poor and out of ideas. The transfer window was average and we never addressed key areas such as left back and winger.
I had City to win the league by more than 12 points and right now, that's looking easily done.
On top of that, our manager's relationship with Woodward is poor and he's already mouthing off about leaving. The club is stuck in a time warp. We've had 3 managers who are more interested in what the opposition is doing than what damage we can do to the opposition. These are unsettled tines.
Our noisey neighbours have come from a long way behind and overtaken us in all aspects. They have better facilities, better players, better youth, and better owners.
Turbulent times indeed. If any on here think otherwise, then you're kidding yourselves.

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21 Oct 2017 19:18:17
Schmid - I think it's hard to judge that game as two atrocious individual mistakes cost us and I think Lindelof was dreadful for the Mata mistake as well!

Up until Jones went off we we're well in control of that game. We can't expect champagne football in such wet and blustery conditions. Granted we hadn't created much but it was only a matter of time and they just couldn't get enough possession of the ball to be any threat! The Jones injury cost us the game today in my opinion.

It remains to be seen if Lindelof will be a good signing but at the moment he's a liability and has made goal conceding mistakes in nearly every appearance for us including pre season, to say it's been a chastising start to his Utd career is an understatement! I'm not writing him off but he needs to improve quickly especially if he has to start against Spurs next week! I'd even consider playing Tuanzebe such is his form and confidence at the moment!

What I will say is that we're suffering from the same kind of inconsistency in the three positions behind Lukaku as we did last year. Miki has gone missing, Mata has been ineffective for most of the season in my opinion and Martial has showed today as he did last week against Liverpool that he's just not prepared to put in the hard yards required. His attitude in both games has been poor to say the least. At least Rashford has contributed more and his work rate, attitude and application can never be questioned.

I think Jose was desperate to get that extra attacking player in the summer and I think we're just starting to see why.

Anyway in difficult conditions the remit should have been remain solid and organised, match their effort and work rate, make no mistakes and we'll eventually win this game though our superior quality; enter Lindelof and the rest is history! Harsh but true!

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21 Oct 2017 20:18:03
If we lose a match because of an injury to Jones it shows how bad our attacking play was. We should be fully in control of matched and playing good football to boot excuse the pun. It's one thing to miss Jones against a top top team when things may be finely balanced but against Huddersfield?

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21 Oct 2017 17:12:44
I just want to say a massive welcome back to MAZE, its been a while mate.

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21 Oct 2017 13:17:31
Jose was desperate for Perisic in the summer and Ed Woodward ballsed it up. It was a good time to buy him too as he had just peaked. I wonder if Perisic is still the player Jose wants or will he use Oezil there? I mean he still wants that position strengthened so will it be Oezil, Perisic or someone new?

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21 Oct 2017 17:13:39
Sydney. Perisic is an out and out winger. We needed him more than any other player. Ozil plays as a no 10 so not sure we need another no 10.

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{Ed004's Note - I think we desperately need a right sided player. Watching Mata and Lingard fail to produce there is depressing. We have healthy competition for the left side between Martial and Rashford but they are so easily doubled up on because we only attack down the left. I can’t think of any currently available though maybe start looking at promising youngsters such as Pulisic or Malcom}

21 Oct 2017 16:10:55
When you play negative football it comes back to haunt you. Hopefully we can pull a win out a hat.

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21 Oct 2017 16:21:13
Back to the LVG era this, no movement no pace no idea, we've been poor for a few games now.

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21 Oct 2017 17:16:41
first 45 minutes we never made more than 3 successive passes when not in our own half. You won't win games like that. The international break has really affected us, we were doing well up til then.

Jones history tells you he will be out for a few weeks . of course I don't know that for sure but I bet i'm not wrong and with Smalling not convincing and Lindelof looking like he has won a competition to play in the PL I can see us dropping more points again soon.

Slow, dull play with no invention. Hope its a blip.

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21 Oct 2017 17:23:15
Exactly, now Liverpool have the confidence and we are struggling. Negative football.

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