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19 Mar 2018 16:38:54
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19 Mar 2018 15:44:27
I've no problem with jose berating players but believe it should be done in house and think he should except some of the blame after all he picks the team and decides the tactics, its turning into the jose show and making himself and the club look bad, if you were a top player and saw what was happening would you sign for Utd.

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19 Mar 2018 16:06:29
i don't see the problem with it, if you can quite happily take home 500k a week, i'm sure you can handle a bit of a roasting when your not performing.

managers are the ones that take all the stick, about time the players take some as well.

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19 Mar 2018 16:28:32
Players take plenty of stick, and I'm not sure how earning more money somehow makes you better equipped mentally and emotionally to being publicly ridiculed.

However, all managers have a duty of care to those they manage. That duty of care extends beyond just physical well being to mental and emotional as well. That is why I feel it isn't acceptable for a manager to repeatedly publicly ridicule a player. It amounts to emotional bullying, if ever it got to an employment tribunal the manager would have some serious questions to answer and in all other forms of employment would probably lose his job.

What kind of world do we live in where we feel the only way to motivate someone is to bully them?

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19 Mar 2018 14:19:34
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19 Mar 2018 14:00:50
rahter than asking who we want as next manager maybe we should be we should be asking since Jose took over have we made progression? have we improved since the days of the great one.

he took over a team in absolute dire need of some organisation, under LVG and Moyes we were a shambles at the back, we got beat easy on far to many occasions under the 2 previous managers before jose took over, we the position we finished on speaks for itself.

the fact the squad overall was not left in a great state, our leaders had left, the core spine of the team left, our so called superstars were coming to the end of there time, there peak years were gone.

YES the football at times this season, mainly the last few months has been dull and unattractive, but until we hit that tough few games the back of i think October where we drew a few in a row we were not playing that bad, we got injuries to pogba, bailly, players form dropped, surely the manager isn't at fault for that

thats not saying we could be better
but the table does not lie, we are clearly making progress under Jose, and with a few tweaks here and there and some luck with injuries we might have that team to be able to challenge,

in hind sight we haven't had a bad season, i think city's dominance has made everyone pannick like no tomorrow.

i keep seeing posts about how liverpool and spurs play this amazing football that's out of this world yet both sit below us as it stands.

this amazing football also has them on less wins that us and more draws.

SPURS have scored one more goal than us playing this amazing football yet sit 4 points behind and are still on less goal difference.

i for one don't see why most people are calling for his head, tbh i think its a bit embarrassing, were having our best season in 5 years,

were a miles better team since jose took over and i for one i'm glad his been given another contract,

if the players don't like what there being asked of the BOSS then just like any other job they can find a new one.

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19 Mar 2018 14:30:22
No Bolger, you are wrong. You are on the wrong page. We cannot support the manager on this page. Its doom United on here. We need to sack him now. Then get Poch, sack him October because we are sure to be unhappy about something. Then get in god himself and give him the sack because he subbed off Shaw at half time.

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19 Mar 2018 14:42:30
Good post bolger.

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19 Mar 2018 15:01:11
Bolger, you make a good point. We are a better team now results wise than we were under LvG. And we play slightly better football.

If I was to rate the club under LvG, performance would be 1 out of 10, results would have been 5 out of 10.

Under Mourinho I would say performance 3 out of 10, results 7 out of ten.

So he has improved the team a bit. But there is far more scope for improvement. The question is if it's taken 300m to get the club to improve the small amount it has, how much more will it take to get the club where we want to be? Another 300m? 500m? 1b? And how many more years?

Mourinho tends to peak in his second year and implode in his third, that's next season.

The real questions should be how much more can Mourinho improve this team and how long will it take, and how much will it cost?

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19 Mar 2018 15:55:03
Shan will you stop moaning
Everything is groovy
Jose is a breath of fresh air.

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19 Mar 2018 16:04:18
i agree shappy that the performances haven't been consistent enough, but in brief spells we have seen what we can do.

i think what hasn't helped its what pep has done with city, there football this season has been different gravy.

we needed a lot of investment, our midfield was crying out for changes before moyes took over as was the defence.

players who we bought under fergie to replace the likes of rio, and vidic have not worked out.

its difficult to make an argument in regards to money, players who would have cost 30 million 10 years ago are now going for 60.

but nether the less we still need to strengthen in areas, we have a lot of young players, if we get the right balance and we can find that click I've no doubt we can over throw city.

im just not jumping on the whole jose out bandwagon, were having our best prem season in 5 years, in the fa cup semi. not a disaster of a season.

as much as a disappointment it was to lose against sevilla s**t happens that's football, city got beat against wigan its not the end of the world.

use never know jose mnight read this site and we might throw the kitchen sink at city when we play them, nothing else to lose.

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19 Mar 2018 16:09:09
Sure Leahy. You got it. See you next season. Hopefully it will be a happy place by then. Cheers to a good ending to the season.

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19 Mar 2018 16:13:50
Shan itsa happy place. somepeoplejust say what they see.
Keep posting my man.

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19 Mar 2018 16:37:40
Bolger, you say we need a lot of players to be a strong team. Many people say a team is only as strong as its spine. Well Mourinho has brought in two CB's in Bailly and Lindelof, two midfielders in Matic and Pogba, and two strikers in Zlatan and Lukaku. As well as signing two wingers in Mkhitaryan and Sanchez. That's to add to players like DDG, Valencia, Shaw, Rashford and Martial. One of those is arguably the best goalkeeper in the world and two are previously world record fees paid for teenagers.

That is a lot of investment, and there are few areas Jose could argue he hasn't been able to improve with signings. Mostly the full back areas. Better full backs would improve us, but how much?

If we buy better full backs and the performance level doesn't dramatically improve then what area of the team could be described as an inherited weakness that Mourinho has to deal with?

Has Jose done an awful job? No he hasn't, but neither has he done a great job. That's why some people are starting to question him.

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19 Mar 2018 12:58:29
Is it still allowed to post something positive on this page without being shot down or will the "glass is half full" people be looked down upon as if we were West Brom fighting against relegation?

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19 Mar 2018 13:42:03
You want to talk about how great Rashford is don’t you Shan?

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19 Mar 2018 13:57:44
Absolutely, he is boy wonder, the next Maradona or Pele. I care about the club rather than individual players. But this page as of now is such a turn off. You only see hatred, negative comments. It seems like the posters here are the pundits on TV. I am sure Savage is on here, so is Souness and a few others. So much negativity about the club we all love.

No wonder Eds call us TOXICS. We are what is wrong with this world right now. Cringing, crying, spewing lava everywhere at the first possible chance.

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19 Mar 2018 14:43:29
Good post shan.

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19 Mar 2018 14:52:10
Hatred? Nothing like some hyperbole to try and back up a point.

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19 Mar 2018 14:56:29
Shan so you are now moaning about someone else moaning. Atleast most people criticizing or as you put Cringing, crying, spewing lava everywhere at the first possible chance are doing while sharing their reasons for rather than throwing a tantrum like you are.

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19 Mar 2018 15:32:44
What did i ask of you CSM, remember? Please don't bother. I prefer not to get in an argument with people like yourself who have made up their mind (that is if you have one) . Stevie mate, the page isn't a happy place anymore. I ain't making a point here. Its just what i see here week in week out. No wonder half the regulars are gone from here. People coming on this page to complain about Jose's cringe. Do they even look in the mirror. If he was cringing, what in heaven's name are you doing.

Football is just a game, its not a matter of life and death so stop making it into one. Our players are poor, our manager is absolute rubbish and the board is crap. I am guilty of downgrading people myself (Rashford) but i don't feel like just going on and on and on about it. I am sure once our current manager goes, the next one will face the same fate from this bunch. We are spoilt.

This place used to be fun which it isn't anymore.

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19 Mar 2018 16:22:26
I completely agree there isn’t a lot of fun any more but surely we can debate and discuss without having to be yah boo, which there has been a lot of lately. People are passionate and emotions run high so I guess it isn’t surprising that extremes come to the fore.

I’m not sure how many people want him sacked, but there clearly a level of frustration with his approach and most recent press conferences. Some love him, some hate him, most are probably somewhere in between. Compared to the LVG tenure it’s an oasis of calm on here at the minute.

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Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

19 Mar 2018 12:41:23
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

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19 Mar 2018 12:57:25
Good post Shappy. I can’t see the board sacking him yet.
Maybe at the end of the season if mess up in the league.

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19 Mar 2018 13:44:10
Fair assessment Shappy I’m in the same boat as you. Not really sure what to think at the moment the atmosphere is very strange. Yes statistically we have improved but he football is awful, our star/ most talented players are playing woefully and look unhappy, and the manager seems to be eager to fight with everyone and everything. I don’t think he will be sacked and will get another season but I’ve got this feeling of frustration and resignation that next year will be more of the same. People say we can’t keep sacking managers but sometimes keeping a manager on longer is far more damaging and detrimental. Some of these players need to grow a pair as they have had an easy ride far too long. They have massive contracts and aren’t prepared to put in the hard graft that is required to play for Manchester United. But on the flip side Jose is not getting the team cohesion and tempo right. Crucial times ahead but I just hope next season does not end in disaster if Jose is still in charge. History suggests that it is more likely to happen than not.

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19 Mar 2018 13:54:43
That was a good post shappy it is hard to form an entirely convincing argument either for or against the job Jose has done . Before the season started if we said come second and into semi of the cup many would accept that but by the same token going out in cups to Sevilla and Bristol city and often being pretty dull to watch many wouldn't accept . The Sanchez signing I think most of us wanted him to make at the time and he's maybe just as taken aback as us in what he has served up so far . We have points in the bag and lots of games left I would expect us to win so I hope he can put put a bit more emphasis on attack for the remainder of the season and show us all a different string to his bow that leaves fans a little more upbeat for next season but I won't count on it . I neither love nor hate him I just find his style of play a bit flat .

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19 Mar 2018 14:00:16
Good balanced assessment Shappy. I think it would be about right if he was replaced in the summer. He will have improved us from LVG but I think another year of his nonsense will be too much. Time to get a more progressive manager who can bring some harmony and dare I say JOY back to OT.

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19 Mar 2018 16:00:06
Good write up that shaps.

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19 Mar 2018 12:26:05
I don't understand the Martial hate. Has he really been poor this season?

In around half the number of minutes played he has more than twice the number of goals and assists that Sanchez has managed. He has done that playing on the wing, a position many don't believe to be his best.

Only Lukaku has scored more goals and he is tied with Pogba for assists. Two 90m players.

In what world has a young 22 year old who has scored 11 goals and created 10 assists across all competitions be considered to not be playing well?

The problem for Martial, along with all our offensive players is a lack of consistency, mostly created by playing every other game with the intention to NOT score. Or at least not to attack the opposition.

Yes he does lose the ball from time to time, and yes he does make the wrong decision at times as well. Yet his statistics show that he is one of our best creative outlets.

At 22 did Giggs or Ronaldo succeed every time they tried to take on the opposition full back?

At 22 did Giggs or Ronaldo score with every shot or find a team mate with every pass?

the answer to those questions is a resounding no, in fact, Ronaldo has never finished a game having scored from every shot, with 100% passing and dribbling success rate. This in in spite of him being arguably one of the best players of all time, and very much the finished article.

Martial is an offensive player, more of a striker/ inside forward than a winger or wide midfielder. And yet this young player, playing out of position being ask to play tactic's that don't work to his strengths has managed to be one of our best creative outlets so far this season with only limited playing time.

Anthony Martial has all the talent required to be a top top player, and despite what people believe he is actually working toward fulfilling that talent. To boot him out and replace him seems pointless and very short sighted. If he moves to Juventus then within 3 years he'll have Barcelona and Real Madrid battling it out for his signature.

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19 Mar 2018 12:33:44
Couldn’t agree more Shappy. Selling martial will be a massive mistake and I think he was having a very good season until Sanchez came and he was shifted into the right hand side. We aren’t getting the best out of him or the rest of our attacking players for that matter. He will go elsewhere and tear it up and we will be sitting here thinking what if. It’s baffling if I’m honest. I understand Jose has certain requirements on what he expects from his players but it is very short termism to get rid of martial and replace him with Perisic who is 30 I believe. If he is looking at someone like dybala then I can understand. I hope he does not leave but I think there is a real chance it may happen.

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19 Mar 2018 12:36:37
He doesn't smile enough. It's a no no for me.

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19 Mar 2018 12:43:28
I think he is a great finisher but often a passenger in games. He has scored some great goals but too often he is anonymous. Now whether that’s down to him or Jose is another matter entirely 😳.

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19 Mar 2018 12:45:02
Totally agree, he was beginning to be very consistent until Mourinho dropped him for Sanchez.

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19 Mar 2018 12:53:42
Could be Jose next Kevin De buryne moment.

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19 Mar 2018 13:03:34
The problem with him is it seems he's not giving 100%. He got his big money move and thought that he has achieved it all. He still has time but he has to show that he wants it badly. Look at Sane, Jesus or Asensio, players same age or maybe younger but they show their class. They might go through rough patch but whenever they get the chance they give it their all.
Martial has the attitude of a frustrated Sanchez just about to cry everytime they lose the ball. Why not go after the ball and show some determination. Ronaldo reached at that level because of his relentless work ethic. He decided he wants to become the best in the world and worked on it. Martial has been deployed on the wing for the past few seasons, so why not work on that. How long will we continue to think that his best position is striker. He can easily become the best but he just looks uninterested.
Maybe Martial and others aren't able to perform to their full capabilities because of the managers style and added pressure on them to get back to defend quickly. Maybe they are afraid to try something new as they are afraid that they might lose their place in the team if they do something wrong. But that's the point which separates the good ones from the ones that could never fulfill their potential. Maybe Martial needs a fresh start or maybe he can go on loan to some big team.

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19 Mar 2018 13:10:02
Bang on Shappy.

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19 Mar 2018 13:33:18
Sailor, how do you know he has a poor work ethic or feels like he's "made it"?

Because he doesn't smile much? or because he doesn't track back?

Did Ronaldo do either of those things when he was 22?

People often talk about how we had a team full of fighters and workaholic's under Sir Alex, so did Sir Alex only buy those types of players or did he inspire those kind of performances out of his players?

A lot of the criticisms Jose levels at players like Martial and Shaw he levelled at De Bruyne. Poor trainer, cannot follow instructions, inconsistent ect ect. Yet Pep seems to be getting a pretty good tune out of the lad. And Pep is known as a manager who is relentless in training and following his orders.

You say about the performances of other similar aged players, Asensio, Sane, Jesus. well only Sane has more goals/ assists. Sane has managed one goal more than Martial and 3 more assists in a record breaking team surrounded by better players and having played an additional 600 minutes of football or around 7 whole games more. How many goals/ assists would Martial have this season if he was first choice at City?

The kids a real talent, how many kids do you see signed with Balon d'or clauses in their contracts? Clearly United and Monaco saw something very special in him considering no one bar Ronaldo and Messi and won the Balon d'or in over 10 years.

Considering the chief gripe people seem to have with United under Mourinho is a lack of attacking intent it seems a little counterproductive to then blame and scapegoat our most productive attacking player.

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19 Mar 2018 14:07:33
If Mourinho stays Martial wouldn't play in his best position. So it is no point the club keeping Martial for another 2 years and stop his development.

If he is going given game time in a position he wants then it is fair for him to stay but if Jose isn't going to give him. game time then i can see him leave.

He has a lot of talent but he has to kick on now .

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19 Mar 2018 14:08:59
Shappy - The problem with Martial (if you can call it that) is he is still young and inconsistent. In my opinion there are also question marks about his movement, desire and work rate.

He's a very talented player but in today's climate of instant success rules there is no patience or understanding that he needs time to develop and learn.

We experienced similar results and abject performances in the couple of years prior to Rooney and Ronaldo maturing. If memory serves me correct I think we we're even eliminated in the group stages of the Champions League.

I can understand Jose's frustration because instant results are expected and he probably doesn't have the luxury of time which was afforded to Fergi. He needs quick fixes and instant hits and his frustration with the likes of Rashford, Martial and even Lingard is understandable.

Jose has sold some fantastic players because he doesn't have the patience or inclination to let them mature. He understands that football requires instant results otherwise a wave of criticism and unrest follows.

He's attempted every trick in the book to try and provoke a reaction from the players but ultimately what some of them really need is time and games.

The problem Jose has is he's reliant on theses players to deliver the goods now. History tells us he doesn't stay at Clubs for long so it's little wonder he's grows frustrated when performances are good one week but poor the next.

For those reasons I'm not convinced another manger could get much more out of this squad in terms of results yet I suppose an argument could made that the football might be better.

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19 Mar 2018 14:14:07
Do people hate him shappy? i'm pretty sure nobody on here even knows him are you just using that word to exaggerate/ emphasise your point?
Im ambivalent as to whether he stays or goes.
I thought rash had 1 goal more this season.
Juve are in talks with united. But the clubs are poles apart on valuation. Nobody else has made an enquiry. So juve don't rate him enough to pay top dollar and nobody else has asked so obviously not everybody rates him as highly as you despite all their superior knowledge.
Are his representatives using juve to get a better deal from united? that's quite possible.
You seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over a player nobody has tried to sign.
If he stays he stays if not we will get someone else in and hopfully they will do better than he has.
He was the most expensive teenager in the world but so was shaw before him.
It could be worth keeping him another season but it depends on what the club want to do. Players come and go all the time.
If i was in charge he would be on my list of possible exists but not on my list of must go's

Jose rates him as people keep telling me jose rates fellaini (well enough to start him 5 times this season) he gets plenty of game time has a decent return but nothing special.
Im not bothered either way. I don't hate him certainly not enogh to vandalise his car or anything like that👍🏼.

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19 Mar 2018 14:46:31
That's a good post Danny.

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19 Mar 2018 15:26:31
Good thing your not in charge then ken. Maybe we have one of those people in charge with superior knowledge to you and me. But that is the same manager who has consistently booted out youngsters for them to go an and prove him wrong. Jose is a good manager, but he lacks patience and the ability to improve young players, it is a trend across his entire career and not just his time at our club.

Does anyone hate him? I don't know, I can't read minds. I can read though and judging by some of the comments on here and on the live chat it isn't a massive leap to say some people are really not fond of him.

Rashford has now scored 1 goal more than Martial after his brace against Liverpool last week. He is however, still three assists short of Martial's current total and has played nearly 200 minutes more football, or 2 whole games more. I think they have had similar seasons, however there is a feeling both could do more if given the proper platform. However, clearly Martial has the higher ceiling.

Juventus have made a serious enquiry, and as we know no one else has. What we can't do though is know why they haven't, that's just speculation. Maybe they don't think he's attainable, maybe he doesn't suit the style they are looking for, maybe they aren't in need of a player with Martial's skill set or maybe they don't rate him at the asking price. All speculation.

Btw are you on Ed001's team or Ed002's team for the charity match?

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Johan Cruyff

19 Mar 2018 11:20:20
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Johan Cruyff

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19 Mar 2018 14:49:43
Great article. The man was a football genius.

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Review Of The Day 19th March 2018

19 Mar 2018 05:55:19
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 19th March 2018

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19 Mar 2018 09:52:45
Interesting read on a few of the mentions but I won’t want to get into the details since there is so much opinions from the supporters 🤣🤣
Always a good read Ed 👍👍.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

19 Mar 2018 04:53:51
Going on from the thread of lookalike footballers - For a good laugh type in youtube - "Footballers with Mesut Özil eyes! "

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19 Mar 2018 09:19:37
Nice one Beast! Wenger, wow. I won't sleep tonight!

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19 Mar 2018 09:55:44
Beast 👍👍👍
What a nightmare 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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19 Mar 2018 11:30:01
Classic beast😂😂.

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Formula 1 2018 Season Preview

18 Mar 2018 22:36:38
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Formula 1 2018 Season Preview

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19 Mar 2018 00:28:22
Very interesting depart from the usual getting to be boring football 🤣🤣🤣.
Yes agree will be an interesting season albeit between Ferrari and Mercedes. Spotlight on Hamilton and I feel Vettel will turn up with some surprises.
New rules and all in all will make a very nice interesting season. Thanks for this nice detour 👍👏.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, just thought I would add something different and remind people we have an F1 site while I was about it!}

19 Mar 2018 07:19:45
I've supported Ferrari for over 45 years. So I'm hoping the scuderia Ferrari can bring it in this year. They need to be better under pressure as last season, they lost a few races due to bad tactics (similar to United! ) .

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19 Mar 2018 07:33:14
AAA they’re also both red 🤣🤣🤣 and yes I have supported Ferrari for the longest of time.
There will be a day when both Ferrari and ManUtd will be back to glory days again 💪💪.

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19 Mar 2018 12:16:26
AAA. I think the biggest disaster was the accident right in the beginning of the Singapore Grand Prix. That messed everything up!

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