Manchester United Banter Archive December 17 2018

17 Dec 2018 21:09:25
There is one bright spot amidst all the gloom, Mason Greenwood. Another quality performance and a great hat trick against Chelsea, the team that have won the youth cup for the last 5 years.

17 Dec 2018 20:42:31
Mason Greenwood has scored a hat trick in tonights fa youth cup against Chelsea. He really looks the part, and gives great optimism for the future in these depressing times.

17 Dec 2018 19:21:30
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Manchester United - A Liverpool Perspective

17 Dec 2018 20:02:00
A Manchester United fans perspective.

Congratulations Liverpool on your win. You were the better team and we have take it on the chin. So as I say well done.

What gets under my skin though is the piling on and the gloating. and yet despite all the turmoil and disharmony at United. again read the piling on and gloating across every media outlet. in the years since SAF left and the huge void created. the honors continue to be added in the FA Cup, the League Cup and the Europa League. and yes I know'll scream these count for nothing. Liverpool continue to be the almost team. this year. next year. the year after. Klopp has still won nothing, nada, zip. what if you miss out this year. again. wouldn't that be so ironic. closing in on 30 years. but not gloating just facts. what if, whilst the biggest team in the league is on "pause" you still can't get it done? . as they say that's the problem with gloating. you really better win it all.

Tick tock.

{Ed002's Note - You are missing the point - Liverpool are coming out of a lengthy period where they have struggled and suffered gloating from the fans of other sides - it is their opportunity to gloat now. And across social media I have no dount they will take that opportunity. The Liverpool fans have had to learn to be humble (they are not very good at that) and now it is the turn of the Manchester United fans to do the same. The Liverpool fans are masters of the stupid and embarrassing post - looks like you want to give them a run for their money.}

17 Dec 2018 20:34:38
Robertson should have had a 10 with the amount of space he was given. If he had better delivery he would have had 4 or 5 assists. He seems to panic when he has time on the ball, which is strange, because his technique is actually pretty good.

Still, he didn't really have to be on his game given our performance.

17 Dec 2018 20:39:25
😂 quality response that Ed002. Scotbos, you need to take the rough with the smooth mate, roll with the punches. We love baiting the scousers more than any other fans so I guess it's going to be a rubbishstorm for a while. It's just the way the cookie crumbles.

17 Dec 2018 20:40:48
we hve done enough gloating over the years now it is there turn i personaly just want our club to play decent football we will be back eventually swings and roundabouts.

17 Dec 2018 21:03:22
Scots I can imagine you have given out your fair amount of abuse to us pool fans, you can’t tell me you didn’t enjoy the years where we struggled to make top four. If you can’t take it, don't give it out.

All sets of fans have idiots and tarnished by trolls on twitter, but I’m afraid you will have to suck it up. FOr years you dominated and now your going through a rough patch and of course rival fans are going to enjoy it. So rather than moaning about us pool fans actually being able to enjoy a win, one we haven’t had over you for about 5 years at Anfield how about switching off social media and let it all blow over.

Just want to add we may, or may not win trophies, but either way I am going to continue enjoying watching my team and see where it takes us. bUT right now I am going to enjoy the journey.

18 Dec 2018 09:47:42
Like it or not, liverpool have been playing increasingly better football over the last couple of seasons and Klopp has got them believing that they can win every game. As a utd fan I don't like it but as a football fan I acknowledge and appreciate it. I live in the north East and folk round here still think its 1996 for christs sake! so liverpool banter goes straight over the head.

17 Dec 2018 13:56:27
I think Jose has tried everything he has in his locker to gat something out of this bunch of players, he has failed them they have failed him, with such a an average bunch of players bar 1 or 2 there is no more he can do, I think it has made him grumpier,
The only thing when and if he is sacked there isn't a manager out there that could win anything with the bunch we have now,
I'm m afraid tis a magician we need.

17 Dec 2018 14:19:43
6/ 1 in the bookie yesterday for us to win, 6/ 1 against another prem league side!

17 Dec 2018 14:32:13
I'm honestly not fussed about winning anything at the minute, Leahy. I just want to have a semblance of enjoyment watching my team again.

17 Dec 2018 14:34:05
Jose locker check list

- But new cm for £50m, never play him
- Drop players
- Humilate young players publicly
- Play Fellaini as an AM
- Play Fellaini as holding mid
- Play McTominay at cb
- Humilate McTominay publicly
- Never ever drop Matic
- Put 10 men behind the ball, cross fingers.

17 Dec 2018 14:54:59
Yeah we know what's been done in public. we don't know all what's been done in private and to be honest we never should. If he's tried and failed privately to motivate and fell back on digging them out in public and still failed what else is there. Shaws responded but most of the rest haven't.

17 Dec 2018 14:55:32
That would do me as well 99.

17 Dec 2018 14:57:43
Danny them players aren't good enough for united to be fair, but I do agree his tactics are past it.

17 Dec 2018 15:14:57
De Gea, Pogba, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku - all of them would have got into our last PL winning side. The likes of Herrera, Fred, Rashford, Lingard and Shaw probably wouldn't have been far away either.

17 Dec 2018 15:22:42
De Gea was?

17 Dec 2018 15:27:34
Mourinho is like most posters on here who understandably can not identify with this new generation of players.

Mourinhos tactics might be outdated, likes of simeone still seem to have success mind, but the biggest thing that is out of date are his man management skills.

He played his team last night leaving out pogba and played a midfield of “his guys” fellaini, matic and herrera (somehow we have managed to find the only spaniard on the planet who can't play with the ball at his feet) and as gary neville pointed out none of them can play.

17 Dec 2018 15:34:30
David moyes would get more out of these bunch of players let alone any good manager. He's had plenty of transfer windows and he's bought in each one of them. He got the players he wanted and then wants to replace them as well. A little bit motivation and change in style can make these same players look better.
Henderson, milner and wijnaldum look world class midfield at Liverpool but if they were here we would be crying to sell them to some championship team.

17 Dec 2018 16:16:45
I think any of the other 5 managers in the top 6 would be rubbing their hands with the potential of the squad.
- The best goalkeeper in the world
- Two very exciting young wing backs
- Definitely need a commanding centre half (eg. Koulibaly) but have a decent partner in Bailey or Lindelof and a very talented centre half in Tuanzebe coming through
- Midfield really needs to be sorted with at least one top class midfielder that could be partnered by Fred or Herrera to press
- Let Pogba go more advanced and off the leash
- Could do with a top class right attacker but have talented ones like Rashford and Martial with room to improve.

So Leahy I can't agree with you. We don't have the best team but there is talent there. With 3/ 4 top signings and a proper COACH this team can challenge and be entertaining to watch. Cause God knows we at least deserve the latter.

17 Dec 2018 17:03:12
I can't agree with you, the wing backs haven't proved anything yet, dalot looks a player alright, pogba Fred Herrera I'd let go of, might keep Fred or Herrera for back up,
Rashford or martial again I'd keep 1 maybe., So that leaves Valencia, Jones, smalling, matic, lingard, lukkaku, fellani, Mata, darmin, rojo, young, mctominay, Sanchez, perrira, what do we do with these boys.

17 Dec 2018 17:16:03
Sailor. moyes took over a team that just won the league and got 5th or 6th so i don't think he could do any better with what we have now.
Personally i think we have the 5th best starting 11. And possibly the 4th best squad so winning n with what we jave is a pipe dream.
Id like to see some of our players playing better. But most of them can't i don't think.
Nobody wants to buy all these platters your so find of. No club looking to buy smalling fellaini jones young valencia. Herrera mata matic.
Our manager should be doing slightly better position wise. But could be playing more attractive football no doubt about that
Pogba martial lukaku in particular seem to only try 100% about half the time.
Our fitness levels are very poor. Technically we are poor.

Big challenges ahead. Let's hope those in charge appoint the right coach and give him another 400m because he needs at least that for us to compete.

18 Dec 2018 08:29:21
I said we'd be near challenging or at least playing modern attractive football. The last 5 years we've been doing neither. With either not good enough managers or managers from yesteryear with dated tactics. One game pretty much in the last 5 years we played a high pressing attacking football against spurs at home this year. The first half was the best we looked in years. Yes we died in the second half because of our fitness levels and not being used to that intensity. With the right training and coaching we can do it with most of these players. The articulated trucks, Matic, Fellaini, Lukaku must go for us to move with the times and play this type of football. Moyes, Van Gaal and an outdated depressing Mourinho. Doesn't exactly get the blood flowing. Yes it's the players on the pitch and they do deserve some blame but the majority must go to these managers along with questionable running of the club by Woodward.

17 Dec 2018 13:02:43
Come February, we could easily have a back 4 of Valencia Smalling Jones Young up against PSG, they would absolutely rip us apart. The idealistic in me hopes for a back 4 of Dalot Bailly/ Lindelof Alderweireld Shaw with a fully fit, rested Matic sitting in front and all of a sudden i'd feel a lot more confident. One things for sure, we have to attack them; defence is their weakness, sit back and we'll play right into their hands.

17 Dec 2018 13:52:27
Matic offers absolutely nothing in midfield.

Misplaced passes and players walk past him. to many mid table players.

17 Dec 2018 13:58:29
Hence why i'm saying he needs to be fully fit and rested prior to these games, he was at his best last season when he was fully fit, right now he's horribly over-used and has been awful.

17 Dec 2018 13:16:08
We will beat them. They r not so good defensively and we will suffocate them with a master Mourinho plan and win the 2 games by a single goal difference.

17 Dec 2018 15:02:48
people really need to stop this matic was great last season, he was great until November last season, post November he was atrocious for most of the part. He was very similar at Chelsea difference being his good period lasted until early march by which time Chelsea had already wrapped up the title.

17 Dec 2018 11:30:31
Jones vs Mbappe and Neymar. God help us.

17 Dec 2018 12:08:09
Can already imagine mourinhos post match press conference where he's salivating over qatars investment and how psg are a big club with big ambition whilst he's stuck with david de gea and 10 planks of wood supposedly.

17 Dec 2018 12:24:19
I think Neymar and Mbappe have a good chance of out scoring him 😏.

17 Dec 2018 10:08:20
Great to see Lingard launching his fashion range on the eve of the Liverpool game. Don’t understand why Roy Keane was slamming this. He stated, and I’m paraphrasing, that a professional and committed squad wouldn’t have tolerated that in his day.

Utter rubbish I’m sure. Sir Alex had an eye for an investment and would have appreciated Jessie’s eye for fashion. Surely doing this wouldn’t be a problem. After all yesterday’s match is only 90 minutes out of Jessie’s week. Hardly a full time career so needs something outside of football and his social media to keep a young person off the streets.

Roy needs to let go. He put too much time and effort in to football. Look at home now. Serial winner. Respected as a player. Leader of men. Dare I say a legend.

What he know!

17 Dec 2018 11:11:41
I detect tongue firmly in cheek here.

Here we go anyway, David Beckham was the original fashion footballer of the modern era, before him it was Georgie Best. Well Keane wasn't around to stop Best, Charlton, Law and the rest were. Yet none of them did. Whether attempts were made who knows, yet Best did not change tact even if there were pleas from his team mates.

However, Keane was not only at the club during Beckham's time, he was captain and undisputed leader in that dressing room. So exactly how did Keane not tolerate that behaviour back then? What did he do to stop Beckham being a fashion footballer, and how successful was that? What did Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Butt ect do to not tolerate that behaviour from Beckham?

For me Keane was one of the best midfielders to have ever played for our club. He was everything you wanted from a player at that time. However, his talent on the field isn't matched by a personality off it. He is an angry and bizarrely bitter man. He often talks nonsense which doesn't stand up under scrutiny. He is very much a old man screaming things were different in his day, unable or unwilling to see the similarities and unprepared to accept the world has progressed and moved on.

It's a shame as some of these comments he makes only serve to tarnish the image of a club legend in some fans eyes.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree shappy mate..

17 Dec 2018 11:21:36
Yh never like roy or anyone else from the early 90s united ever went on nights out and boozed themselves to sleep.

That doesn't exactly scream of the height of professionalism by modern standards, but it was what everyone did at time. The only difference being we were the best team in the country at that point.

Lingard, pogba and rashford are only doing what everyone else their age is doing like keane did before them. If they were winning no one would have a problem with their antics.

We are a poor side because we have poor players and a poor manager and have recruited poorly in numerous transfer windows. Lingard starting a fashion line, pogba getting a haircut and martial posting on social media doesn't change that.

Why our fans have a such an issue with what our players do in their private lives is beyond me.

{Ed025's Note - because they are professional sportsmen DSG, their playing career should be paramount and getting sidetracked by off field issues is not helping themselves or the club mate..

17 Dec 2018 11:46:01
The big difference is them boys back then trained hard, played hard, gave 100% on the field, they hated losing,
If they lost a game their mentality was train harder next week, they weren't trotting around the field, if they lost the ball they wouldn't be sitting on the pitch throwing their hands up in the air, they would be sprinting back looking to put in a tackle,

17 Dec 2018 11:40:31
Agree Ed but what they want to do in the private lives is up to them. I don't see getting plastered on the weekend any different to having other extra curricular activities.

Take the case of jesse lingard, with a fashion line he is not good enough for manchester united. Without it he is also not good enough for the club, he is just a medicore player that should go on to have an acceptable premier league career like cleverley, welbeck etc have done.

{Ed025's Note - if the club were doing well it would not be a problem DSG, the fact is the team is awful and performances well under par, supporters will want to know why and will look for reasons why international class players are playing like the dog and duck mate..

17 Dec 2018 11:51:15
Agree with Ed here. Why they start dabbling in other money ventures when they are raking it in anyway what's the point?

I know Beckham did it, but he didn't accompany it with childish videos inside dressing rooms and silly handshakes to highlight what idiots we have in the side. There are no men, they are all kids earning big bucks and not a care in the world. Win/ lose or draw we still get the same stupid handshakes and hand gestures, dancing and singing.

{Ed025's Note - you would think their time would be better spent on the training ground FZZ..

17 Dec 2018 12:09:33
Ridiculous doing this before a big game like that, Keane is spot on, professional football is your career, do summat after you’ve stopped playing or at least launch the thing in the international break.

{Ed025's Note - exactly WRD..

17 Dec 2018 13:02:16
You would think so Ed.

Footballers nowadays act like heirs to the throne rather than hard working people trying to win a football match for the people that help pay the wages, its as if football is secondary to whatever else they have going on in their life, a little bit on the side we turn up when we like and have a kick about.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

17 Dec 2018 14:04:22
Couldn’t agree more ed. Nobody is saying footballers shouldn’t not have a life outside football but when you as a team are performing terribly then you are giving people ammunition when you bring out a clothing range on the eve of the biggest game of the season. The current crop of united players don’t understand what it means to play for this club and the mentality is so wrong. It will be a long and unfortunately difficult road back to the top. But until we remove the bad apples from the dressing room and bring in players with a winning mentality, then we will still be in this mess. Of course it’s not helped when the manager is so negative and consistently picking fights with those around him. It’s an utter shambles.

{Ed025's Note - i would love to disagree with you park...but your spot on mate..

17 Dec 2018 16:33:10
Good post Park!

17 Dec 2018 20:04:17
Seems like an odd opportunity just to have a pop at Keane shappy when in fact what he said was pretty much on the ball.

If Keane was in that dressing room now he'd be taking lumps outta them. It was only tolerated in his day because the likes of Beckham did nothing but give 100 percent and was week in week out, top class.

Take this average bunch, more worried about fashion labels, haircuts etc and then going out on the pitch and playing like that, Keane was bang on the money.

17 Dec 2018 09:54:52
I Just don't get it. I mean i know we were not great last year and finished 19 points behind City but how have we become so bad. Last season with the same defense we conceded 28 goals all season. We had the 2nd best defense in the league. We gain Luke Shaw this season as almost a brand new player which strengthens us and we have one of the worst defenses now. How can this solid defense that only conceded more goals than City last year now be like this. Last year we conceded 28 this season we have already conceded 29. There are only 4 teams in the prem that have conceded more. I honestly think the whole team has a lack of confidence. Can you imagine doing the great job last year of only conceding 28 goals in 38 games and then hearing your manager in the media tell everyone that we have to get at least 1 center back in as our defense is not good enough. That would ruin my confidence too. Pogba and Lukaku for me are also really lacking confidence. Everyone keeps jumping on the basic bandwagon and just saying they are not good enough and we should get rid of them but no one asks why. My biggest gripe with Mourinho is that the way he speaks and acts just seem to suck all the positivity to himself and push the negativity to the team. When we win he praises his tactics and set up and when we lose he talks about the players not being up to scratch. I think whoever replaces Mourinho needs to be a motivator. These guys have so much untapped potential at the moment. If Rashford, Martial, Lukaku and Pogba played as a front 4 and are full of confidence imagine how lethal we would be. It just really frustrates me. Its like someone who owns a Ferrari and just leaves it in the garage.

17 Dec 2018 10:38:14
Last season matic, de gea and mourinho’s tactics made the defense look way better than it is.
We definitely needed a leader cb at the back with two experienced full backs as well but instead only bought dalot a youngster.
Combine that with mourinho being negative and moaning after the world cup it has all gone horribly wrong for him now.

17 Dec 2018 10:40:22
I actually couldn't believe it when Jose said, "Liverpool is a better team than us". I was floored. Imagine any other top manager of a top team anywhere basically saying, "We are a bad team/ We can't compete. "

Klopp and even Rodgers would concede that some teams had stronger squads but they'd never say what Jose did.

17 Dec 2018 12:10:37
Liverpool are a better team than us, Stevie Wonder can see that. If the players are hurt by truth then they should get out of this club.

17 Dec 2018 14:01:48
Moyes got slated for saying that we were behind City, even though he was right. It was said it was a sign of weakness. So what do we call Jose's multiple utterances of a similar nature?