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31 Dec 2021 10:38:27
I agree with all here that McTominay was good against Burnley. I remember when Mourinho brought him into the team (and praised him with a special manager's award for player of the year) that Mourinho had faith in McT because he followed directions well. Is it a coincidence that McT is now getting much clearer directions from his manager, after several years without? Just a thought.

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1.) 31 Dec 2021 10:57:37
Croaky

Watch what McT said in his interview after the game.


2.) 31 Dec 2021 11:11:27
Thanks Red Man. I hadn't seen it. Good to hear that the manager is being very demanding!


3.) 31 Dec 2021 11:15:19
It was ‘only’ Burnley but that was the best midfield performance from a united player in ages.
Brilliant box to box performance, which is his best role.
I also thought he spoke well in interview. Good lad.

If we want to make anything of this season then a quality holding/ defensive midfielder with energy is needed in Jan.

Also Shaw looked good after a rest, first half mainly. It’s a revalation that dropping players can actually do them good. Same needed for Bruno and Rashford.

Ronaldo was more lively and involved than previous games. Cavani was given a bit of a nothing role it has to be said. Strange one to sort.


4.) 31 Dec 2021 16:39:21
Mctom looked good with Matic behind. But also, burnley were dropping off in midfield and not pressing our midfield aggressively. Very different approach compared to the Newcastle game. In fact I'm not sure what dyche was doing, newcastle literally gave them the blueprint.


5.) 01 Jan 2022 15:14:13
It wasn't Rave. Herrera produced the best midfielder performances for years. And ofcourse against much much better opposition while he had less time on the ball. Have a happy new year everyone.

{Ed014's Note - happy new year Herrera


 

 

19 Oct 2021 13:32:11
So Avram Glazer took £137million from the club after Ronaldo was signed and this signing produced a big share price increase. Now two other Glazer brothers have taken an additional £117million out of the club by selling shares. How much of the proceeds from these share sales have gone to Manchester United? Exactly none.

Croaky

{Ed0666's Note - you can only spend a certain amount of money per FFP. So even if they would have put this money back into the club you wouldn’t have been able to utilize it anyway. The glazers are businessmen they live for profit, I’m not sure what the big hoo-ha is? Didn’t they just spend circa £140 million on transfers in the summer? Didn’t they bring the prodigal son back? A World Cup winning centre back and one of the best wingers in the world? They said they’d improve infrastructure, stadium etc. The privilege and the entitlement baffles me. I bet if you had a defensive crisis and had no centre backs you wouldn’t get Kabak on loan and a 2 million purchase from Preston?


1.) 19 Oct 2021 13:51:05
ED0666,

Best response to a post I've seen in awhile.

{Ed0666's Note - thanks mate much appreciated.


2.) 19 Oct 2021 14:51:34
But aren't they their shares to sell as they please and blow the money on classic cars, jaffa cakes or whatever they want?

{Ed0666's Note - To pay Tom Brady’s wages no doubt.


3.) 19 Oct 2021 16:42:15
I think people forget, clubs are businesses and the owners are business men. They are always going to take profits from their investments.


4.) 19 Oct 2021 17:55:11
What the hell? A company owner making money from their own company?

Why would they sell their shares only to give the money to the club?

That's terrible business sense.

If you started a new job that came with a company car you wouldn't sell your own car and give the proceeds to your new employer.

Why would they sell something they own only to effectively give it away?

I don't like the Glazers, however my concerns with them come from the way they leveraged the club to buy it. Something I think should be illegal. While my other issue with them is that they seem unprepared to run the club like a football club. If they hired some of the best football minds in the world to work for them at board level, came up with a actual plan to make the club the best team in the world and started working towards that I could actually to an extent forgive the buyout.

I just want owners who want the club to be a successful FOOTBALL club, and be successful at football. Rather than a club that makes a lot of money.


5.) 19 Oct 2021 18:28:10
Thwy have also paid naff all to get this debt gone like they promised ed.

{Ed0666's Note - why do you care about the debt? They spend money heinous amounts of money on transfers who cares about the debt. When they sell it will be to some seriously wealthy people who will wipe off the debt. Just don’t worry about the finances and enjoy the football…oh wait


6.) 19 Oct 2021 18:39:49
They haven’t broken any laws but let me ask you a question. Whose money bought the club? They borrowed against the club to buy it and then serviced the debt from the clubs earnings. Fair play, great business sense but add up now much money had been taken out in dividends and interest payments and it is eye watering.

They’ve taken out more money than they ever personally spent and will continue to do so. There are no rules preventing them doing this and many owners will look to make money but ours take the biscuit in terms of the sheer bloody mindedness of it.

You may think it’s ok, I don’t.

{Ed0666's Note - who cares? This whole glazer out thing is becoming so tedious. We had the same situation with Hicks and Gillette but the difference was they weren’t spending any money on transfers. You should start to worry when they close the checkbook until then stop your whining. About 88 football league clubs and fans would love to be in your position.


7.) 19 Oct 2021 19:35:05
The debt is not ideal, but let's be fair they have spent an average of 130m every season on transfers over the past 8 years.

That's more than all bar one or two clubs worldwide.

It's not directly their fault that we don't have a winning team after such investment.

Indirectly though they are to blame as they have hired the wrong people to run their club. If they hired the right people they could have had a genuine title challenging team with half the investment.

That's what is baffling, for owners who only care about money they waste hundreds of millions due to not having football people in key roles guiding the club.


8.) 19 Oct 2021 20:03:57
It’s not whining to point out that if the owners hadn’t saddled the club with so much debt, or taken out so many dividends, we would have been able to compete better and wouldn’t have had to put up with the ‘no value in the market’ nonsense. I don’t care about other clubs, I care about my club and like it or not, over a billion pounds has been taken out.

{Ed0666's Note - compete better? Is it the Glazers fault your scouting department chooses expensive duds??? How have you not been given the tools to compete please tell me? It can’t be from lack of funds. The glazers didn’t stop you spending obscene amounts on McGuire, Sancho et al.
I appreciate the fact you don’t care about other clubs but your own but im sorry you sound whiny. Just ask Watford fans they’d swap places with you in a millisecond. The only thing you have to whine about is your manager the owners have apologized, taken responsibility for the past, are trying to rectify their wrongs and you’re still whining. It’s getting really boring now. Give them the opportunity to make the modifications they promised then lambast them based on future behavior.


9.) 19 Oct 2021 22:40:27
Selling ones shares to a 3rd party has no affect whatsoever on the club's finances. That would only be the case if the company was buying back its own stock.

They're going to sell them eventually anyway, so who cares if it's in one go or in dribs and drabs.

The debt is currently of no importance whatsoever, though it could become so if it continued to rise and income fell.

The Glazers original level of debt limited the club in a period when it should have been rebuilding over SAF's last years, but since then the only problem has been lack of executive competence.


10.) 19 Oct 2021 22:47:52
Hey Ed 666s

That comment about enjoying the football was cold!

Funny

But cold dude!

{Ed0666's Note - I try and lighten this page up but I struggle at times mate. It’s all doom and gloom yet you’re only 3 points behind us in the league and where meant to have had a brilliant start. Beat us on Sunday day and you’re motoring again.


11.) 19 Oct 2021 23:19:04
Ed066 is bang on.
Our owners are decent. The invest heavily better than anyone. Its their money its their club i don't see the issue.


12.) 20 Oct 2021 08:27:14
I get that it's frustrating: so many of us can see that we are nearly there. And how it feels when we go on a winning or unbeaten streak with Ole like the United Way is back. But it's not coming back. We need to find a new way to play the United Way, and we are, as the Ed says, actually very highly competitive. Just not quite as highly as we poor spoiled United fans would like. In the top 5% of the football pyramid, I'd say. I think we will get the balance right eventually. Maybe it will be Ole, or maybe it will be Phil Neville, or even someone who hasn't played for the club! Hell, even Liverpool managed it, eventually. I know getting spanked by Leicester hurts, even more after our recent form, but it's going to get a reaction - of some sort or other (cough, cough, Pogba) - which could help us decide which employees of the club need to leave in the not too distant future.


 

 

12 Jun 2021 22:00:28
Watching Belgium, is there anyone other than Ole who thinks Rashford is a better centre forward than Lukaku?

Croaky

1.) 12 Jun 2021 23:52:20
Lukaku was bang average for us. Amazed we got the money for him what we did. He never was the Messiah and isn’t now.


2.) 12 Jun 2021 23:23:23
Lukaku scores goals i think selling him and giving the cf role to martial was a bad call.


3.) 13 Jun 2021 05:07:50
Case of sour grapes for all who are now claiming Lukaku wasnt good at United or wasnt a "fit" for United. Considering the fact that he banged in 27 goals with 9 assists in his first season under Jose. Second season it was Ole the great who decided that Rashford and Martial were better than Lukaku and then he hardly played and still scored 15 that season. Guess what, now we are struggling to find a decent striker. Its not Lukakus fault that the team couldn't create chances. Lukaku has more goal scoring ability than Rashford and Martial combined. Wonder what Ole saw in Ighalo and Josh King that was missing in Lukaku.


4.) 13 Jun 2021 07:14:13
The manager was unable to see how he could coach Lukaku to improve, didn’t know how. Conte did. The manager thought Martial and then Ighalo were better, maybe Ighalo supporting the club meant he wouldn’t question the coaching.


5.) 13 Jun 2021 09:48:37
Someone had a good game on the telly against an average defence 😂 he was crap for us, we moved on, not the end of the world, didn’t see many crying when he left.

{Ed014's Note - for someone who loved quoting stats to show how good OGS apparently was as a striker, you conveniently ignore those given by UA for Lukaku. Weird🤔


6.) 13 Jun 2021 11:18:17
Good game on the telly? He scored goals and just won the league in Italy! He plays centre forward for the worlds number one rated team or are Belgium not that now?

The key point here is not that he was sold, it was that Ole decided Martial, who he loudly lauded and then Ighalo were better, Ole thought Lukaku didn’t need replacing. That judgement was not just a bad call, it was shockingly poor but Ole will get away with it because of who he is.

Lukakus touch was not great but Conte, being a real manager and coach worked on it.


7.) 13 Jun 2021 11:32:16
The year after Lukaku left, Rashford and Martial both hit 17 in the league, as many as Lukaku ever did in the league for United. That was the year Mase also banged in 10 in the league. We moved to a different style with a fluid forward line - unfortunately Martial seems to have massively regressed but for the year after Lukaku left, we were completely vindicated in his sale with all our forwards chipping in and a season with an almost identical number of goals scored. This is also without taking into account the behind the scenes issues and his fall out with Pogba. He was a good player for us, but not the best fit. No hard feelings, I'm happy to see him doing well and won't bear him any ill will (until he signs for City! ) .


8.) 13 Jun 2021 12:59:18
Was he that crap for us? Scored more in his two season than ole one of our best ever (apparently) did in any of his 2 seasons combined.
He is not easy on the eye a lot of the time but he is a good striker with guaranteed goals.
Not sure he is ideal for oleball so that's obviously what was in the managers mind when selling him. The error was thinking martial was a better cf.


9.) 13 Jun 2021 16:25:32
that's nothing new for him is it though? He ignores what doesn't suit his agenda. The day Ole wins something (huge IF of course) he would even tell us Ole is better than SAF.


10.) 13 Jun 2021 23:33:12
Ed,

I didn’t ignore the stats, I just thought he wasn’t great for us and nobody moaned when he was sold, didn’t fit the style of play, first touch was appalling, his stats were ok as they always will be, he’s a good goalscorer, just wasn’t for me as he wasn’t for many of the other ‘real’ fans 😉😘.


11.) 15 Jun 2021 04:14:47
GDS2
How do you know nobody moaned? I was very angry about that and posted here too. Lukaku never should have been sold for Martial to take over his place. Lukaku was a hardworking player and is a good human as well. His poor second season was still better than 4 out 5 of the seasons we had with martial.


 

 

18 Aug 2020 20:56:22
It's looking like the Champion's League and Europa League finals could have 5 players who have left United in the last 2-3 years. IF they are good enough for European finals, why were they not good enough for United?
Just asking.

Croaky

1.) 18 Aug 2020 22:02:41
Let's be honest, Di Maria, Lukaku and Herrera were all good enough. Di Maria wanted out, Ole didn't want Lukaku and we messed Herrera about too much.

Sanchez was a complete failure.


2.) 18 Aug 2020 22:06:33
It's not as simple as "good enough" or not. The Italian game is slower and easier on players who don't have the legs for the English game anymore. This is a matter of style, not quality, before anyone thinks I'm bashing the Italian game.

Lukaku is the only one good enough, and he didn't fit the way Ole wants the team to play. It's not unreasonable to say he should have been kept although it is very much a matter of opinion.

Smalling is good enough as a squad player, no more.

The others? No.

I'm happy they are doing well, but we are better off rid of them.


3.) 18 Aug 2020 22:07:51
None said that Di Maria wasnt good . I think Herrera (who was superb in another big match) has his fans also but he can't make a Hollywood pass so the hype is not there. Then Young was below average when he played for us and its best for him that he went in slower ligue playing wing back and not left back, who misses him? Sanchez wasnt good for us, he is good before us and after us but not for us, everytime he played he was one of the worst players on the pitch, its not our fault. Lukaku is theoritically a good goalscorer with bad technic and first touch. Yet he didn't scored a lot for goals, he scored 1 goal in 20 matches against big 6 or something like that. In addition very bad hold up play, not for my liking. It was a win win situation with all of this and i won't miss them except Ander Herrera, we hadn't a better numper 8 for years.


4.) 18 Aug 2020 22:18:34
Oh, sorry, Herrera is still good. He's probably the one who could really offer us something we need, I'd have him back in a heartbeat.


5.) 19 Aug 2020 03:19:03
Non of them were good enough. Move on.

{Ed0666's Note - really?


6.) 19 Aug 2020 05:37:16
Lukaku was definitely good enough, but he didn't suit us, we never played to his strengths which is putting crosses. Also he didn't want to stay.

Same with young, he didn't want to stay, people have forgotten his terrible Barcelona performance last year, him staying or going would not have made much difference.

Herrera, we should have 100% given him a contract, it was really foolish of Ole, as if you're going to overpay someone, you overpay someone who speaks no I'll of the club, and is a leader. Herrera was a big game player, and his stats were a little below Kante in one of the seasons. He could play any position in midfield. It was a stupid decision by Ole. And now he's starting finals for PSG and is going to play the final. You don't start for PSG, if you're not good enough. Him, Bruno and Pogba would have been a great midfield. Has injury issues though.

Sanchez. Overpaid, perennially injured, not good enough for us, and infact someone who massively halted martial's progress. Happy to see the back of him.

Di Maria, he didn't want to play for us, what can you do then? He was MOTM in semi-final, he was always quality.


7.) 19 Aug 2020 06:49:46
Herrera is on record as saying that Ole wanted to keep him but the board didn't offer him a contract extension until the last minute and by then he had already agreed terms with PSG.


8.) 19 Aug 2020 07:10:08
Liverpool won the Champions League last year playing a high intensity style which is based on the traditional physicality of the English game allied to excellent technical football skills.

Had Pep not tinkered and over thought too much City would most likely have won or at least got to the final this year.

The ex Utd players plying their trade abroad could not cut it (possibly Lukaku apart) in the Premier league any more. Too quick and intense for them. Had Utd taken their chances against Sevilla their intensity would have prevailed and Utd would be in the final of the Eufa Cup.


9.) 18 Aug 2020 22:51:51
For gods sake the stuff on here just keeps getting better and better 🤣🤣🤣🤣.


10.) 18 Aug 2020 23:57:02
Herrera looks great but he and dimaria are playing with neymar and mbappe playing with that level of player should make you look good.


11.) 18 Aug 2020 23:57:52
thorne inter have not played italian teams through this competition. yet that lesser league are in the final and we are not.


12.) 19 Aug 2020 08:00:07
If my uncle was a woman he would by my aunt.


13.) 19 Aug 2020 08:44:10
Daz, I know that. They are playing most of their games there though.

Someone like Young is more rested than if he was playing in England, and regardless of the opposition, the team plays a style which really benefits more from his experience, and doesn't punish his older legs as much.

If Utd played like an Italian team, maybe Young would be a good player to have, but we don't. For the way we play, he isn't.


14.) 19 Aug 2020 10:55:55
When Herrera was with Bilbao he was a player who liked to play a first time pass and take a chance, LVG dropped him until he'd taken that out of his game and turned him into a player who played it safe, then Mourinho came in and used him as a midfield destroyer.

He was a big part of that great run Solskjaer had when he got the manager's job, which came to an end when Herrera got injured .

But best of luck to him now, as much as i detest PSG i wouldn't begrudge seeing him pick up a Champion's League medal.


15.) 19 Aug 2020 13:28:17
Yes really.

The one exception was Herrera, who was loved. But our midfield lacked creativity with him in there, and he was not great as the only defensive mid in the style Matic plays for us now. He was great in a 3 man midfield. But that limited other options.

Di Maria was terrible. Heart not in it. Fell out with team mates or manager. who knows? But he was not good enough for us when he was here.

Lukaku was terrible, scores goals, but limits other players. Control and touch awful.

Young? Come on. Time well served. But everyone wanted him to go.

Sanchez was not missed by arsenal fans, who watched him every day. Came to man utd and we were surprised that match of the day sanchez didn't show up.


 

 

18 Aug 2020 20:56:22
It's looking like the Champion's League and Europa League finals could have 5 players who have left United in the last 2-3 years. IF they are good enough for European finals, why were they not good enough for United?
Just asking.

Croaky

1.) 19 Aug 2020 15:03:05
Thanks for some interesting replies. From my own point of view:
Di Maria didn't want to be here and LVG didn't want to use him.
My Arsenal mate tells me Sanchez was already declining when he was there. He seems to have improved a bit but still not worth keeping.
Young was always useful, experienced and mostly reliable. Good at coming forward. Like the new hair!
Herrera I didn't want to leave; he added a lot of spirit and motivation to the team and should have been offered a new contract. Wish him well at PSG.
Lukaku is a difficult one. He scored for fun in his first year but when Ole came he wanted Rashford to play in the centre. As it happens Rashford didn't do well there but the die was cast for Lukaku. He's scoring for fun again and has done at each club he's played at.

Still, we'll all enjoy watching them all in the two finals.


 

 

 

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10 Nov 2023 09:54:32
Ahmad 'we are missing our entire left side atm' really hits the spot. Add Martinez and Shaw to this mix and we might see a differenti result.

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16 Feb 2023 10:46:46
He's being robbed every week then. Always looks weird.

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23 Apr 2022 14:40:05
Press conference was brilliant. Rangnick is so authoritative and really tells it how it is. Not afraid to point out the problems. So refreshing after OGS clichés.

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31 Dec 2021 11:11:27
Thanks Red Man. I hadn't seen it. Good to hear that the manager is being very demanding!

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19 Aug 2020 15:03:05
Thanks for some interesting replies. From my own point of view:
Di Maria didn't want to be here and LVG didn't want to use him.
My Arsenal mate tells me Sanchez was already declining when he was there. He seems to have improved a bit but still not worth keeping.
Young was always useful, experienced and mostly reliable. Good at coming forward. Like the new hair!
Herrera I didn't want to leave; he added a lot of spirit and motivation to the team and should have been offered a new contract. Wish him well at PSG.
Lukaku is a difficult one. He scored for fun in his first year but when Ole came he wanted Rashford to play in the centre. As it happens Rashford didn't do well there but the die was cast for Lukaku. He's scoring for fun again and has done at each club he's played at.

Still, we'll all enjoy watching them all in the two finals.

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