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13 Dec 2021 11:36:27
Another night of fun to be had in Paris then, Messi vs Ronaldo.

Might as well knock one of the big boys out nice and early.

Jonaldinho

{Ed0666's Note - you’re being ironic right??


1.) 13 Dec 2021 12:24:27
Messi and Ronaldo are the two biggest names in world football. One of them is going out in the next round.


2.) 13 Dec 2021 12:58:23
Put them both in a ring with a pair of gloves each and have done with it. The winner's team goes through to the next round.


3.) 13 Dec 2021 14:24:59
The winner takes all the Ballon D’ors.


 

 

03 Dec 2021 09:53:33
What did everyone think of that first goal last night?

It made me angry at Arsenal and pumped up from that minute on but I have to blame De Gea for going down and staying down. I don't blame them for not giving a goal back or anything but I think it's laughable to see how much they celebrated such a goal.

Fred and Dalot stood out for me last night, both have taken a lot of abuse on here so credit where it is due they were both very good.

Rashford looks like he's got some sort of Neymar complex. All the talent in the world but puts more effort into throwing his arms up in air than he does pressing.

We have a great run of fixtures from now until we play City in March. It's a third of the season of continuous "winnable" games. Let's hope this is the start of a very good run!

Jonaldinho

1.) 03 Dec 2021 10:15:52
de gea should be embarrassed. that little foot stamp for him to go down like that just shows his mentality.

it was pathetic and i would have been going in on him at half time.

lucky we have a 36 year old that's getting us the points

fred if he could pass would be class. but he is shocking he can win the ball but other than that he is terrible. dalot was ok but he deserves to start the next game as AWB has been shocking

hopeing the new manplays players on merit.


2.) 03 Dec 2021 10:24:37
No complaints from me, i thought the goal should stand and the only one i was angry with was De Gea who was weak in lying down and turning his back to the ball.


3.) 03 Dec 2021 10:49:00
A perfectly good goal, no onus on the Arsenal players to do anything except score it. I was livid with DeGea for turning his back on play like that. Shame it was't live on Sky as we missed out on a Keane melt down

He gets some credit back for the saves he made afterwards, or as Keane would say "for doing his job"


4.) 03 Dec 2021 11:25:35
Whether it was painful or not De Gea is completely responsible for that goal. He has got to get up and power through until that ball is cleared.

No problems with that goal whatsoever.


5.) 03 Dec 2021 13:08:22
Perfectly good goal for me, always play to the whistle and never turn your back on the play, the most basic things a footballer should always do.

I remember being at OT when Heinze turned his back on play, they took a quick free kick and flew past him as he was totally unaware, ended up a corner and yes Keane went bizzerk at him.

Good performance I thought and we were well worthy of the win, let's see what Sunday brings.


6.) 03 Dec 2021 13:17:02
Perfectly good goal, no complaints at all. Up until that point in the game we could have no complaints being behind anyway as we were atrocious before the goal.

Other contentious goals have been scored by us and against us but the old adage of play to the whistle is generally the best way to go. I was at Old Trafford for the goal Nani scored against Spurs where everyone seemed to think a free kick was given but it wasn't. Most of the players just assumed play had stopped Nani didn't and stuck it away.


7.) 03 Dec 2021 13:31:57
Perfectly good goal. Ddg got what he deserved. There was nothing wrong with him
No player should stop playing ever unless the ref blows his whistle

If I was a manager I'd go into opponents and refs dressing room before the game to tell then we won't stop play unless refs stop it and we don't expect you to stop for us either.
It's a load of crap stopping games for no reason.


8.) 03 Dec 2021 14:21:49
Nail, hit on head!


9.) 03 Dec 2021 14:33:47
Studs down the ankle is always a sore one, but as a player you keep playing until the ball goes dead. Especially as a keeper when defending a corner.

Entirely DDG's fault, it obviously wasn't a foul and seeing as it wasn't a head injury the Ref had no responsibility to stop the game (although they often do when a keeper is injured) .


10.) 03 Dec 2021 14:54:47
Pathetic and Embarrassing from De Gea, he was up 2 minutes later prancing about like a show pony.


11.) 03 Dec 2021 17:31:14
A few months ago Arsenal would have stopped play or allowed Utd to score from the kick-off. I was half expecting Arteta to do a Bielsa and instruct them to allow it to happen. But this is a 'cuter' Arsenal, bit harder than at the start of the season, and I suspect Smith-Rowe knew well that DDG was down as the short was pretty tame. Nothing wrong with the goal and the lack of a whistle would have made any team play on.


12.) 03 Dec 2021 18:30:16
Spenno even if he knew the keeper was down he should still be shooting.
Imo the ref should have no right to stop them game unless there is a head injury or obvious serious injury.


13.) 03 Dec 2021 19:20:01
It's a classic case of play to the whistle. No foul so why should the game be stopped. If we had scored that goal we would have had no complaints.


14.) 03 Dec 2021 20:56:42
This is what we have VAR for. Ref doesn’t need to blow whistle if unsure, players play on until ball is out of play, in the goal or ref does blow. Perfectly good goal unfortunately.


15.) 03 Dec 2021 16:11:43
I have to disagree, ok DeGea is on the ground but come on your all being a bit presumptuous here, firstly how many of you know exactly how much that was hurting, studs down the Achilles is little more then sore I can tell you, if he had stayed on his feet and let goal in because he could not move the same people would be saying he should have gone down! It’s one of those things, more stupid was Fred doing it but then he does not have any idea where the ball is going when he plays it, so probably got no idea where his feet are either.

One of those things no one at fault 100% and bit silly trying to blame anyone person.


16.) 03 Dec 2021 22:18:51
Jens I’ve saw rugby players relocate a shoulder joint and get up and make a tackle. Rory best broke his arm and played on for 5 mins against the all blacks. It may have hurt de gea but he’s got to grit his teeth and deal with it then get treatment if required when the ball is out.

Footballers are soft and there is too much play acting in the game. I wish we could get rid of it.


17.) 04 Dec 2021 09:20:42
We can't know for sure how much pain DdG was in so benefit of doubt there from me. What passed me off though it was a good goal was the celebration by both arsenal players and the coach. Zero dignity and respect.


18.) 04 Dec 2021 13:35:31
Mbd why should they not celebrate a good goal?
You celebrate utd goals they get from pens that aren't pens for example.


19.) 05 Dec 2021 13:14:18
Because it was scored with a man down facing away from the ball
You have no idea of the extent of his injury
What if it was something severe, how would they know?
Disgraceful.


 

 

09 Nov 2021 11:49:53
When talking about potential stop gaps, caretaker managers nobody has mentioned big Wayne.

He's scored an important goal or two, club legend, loved by the fans (generally) and knows the club inside and out.

He is also one of the very few who was part of the club through the glory and the initial downfall. He knows how the standards dropped behind the scenes and biggest of all he has an even worse board behind him currently at Derby.

I don't believe he is the permanent solution, but if we brought him back in and then let him integrate into a head coach or general coaching role when we secured our manager of choice.

Don't shoot the messenger, just a different person to discuss.

Jonaldinho

1.) 09 Nov 2021 12:20:49
There's the sound of a barrel being well and truly scraped.


2.) 09 Nov 2021 12:38:26
I took a few days off because of the hysteria on here. Popped back to see if things had got better. Apparently not.


3.) 09 Nov 2021 12:47:04
I think he's doing a good job at Derby all things considered, why would he want to finish his managerial career before its really got started by jumping ship at Derby to take a hiding to nothing job at United that isn't even a permanent position?


4.) 09 Nov 2021 12:55:47
Please God Noooo. What's with this obsession of having former players managing United just because they played under Sir Alex and have United DNA/ know the United Way. Sir Alex had no previous ties to United when he became United manager. This fascination of doing things the United Way is ruining the club. Time to move on.


5.) 09 Nov 2021 14:54:58
Get in Rio instead? He seems to know what he's talking about on BT Sport.


6.) 09 Nov 2021 15:11:10
Bring in Keane, not to manage, but to make sure Fred gets nowhere near the squad, and to do weekly Maguire impressions.


7.) 09 Nov 2021 15:49:44
Before scraping the barrel like that we can bring Quique Setién to see us till season end, Or Roberto Di Matteo or Andre Villas Boas. Purely as stop gap coaches.


8.) 09 Nov 2021 15:54:25
Like it DAnny- keane actually didn't do too bad at sunderland and as no 2 to oneill national coach. I don't think he's the answer but reckon he would deliver some brutal but honest words to a bnumber of players. Its often said that the hard line management style doesn't work today but neither does the soft as muck, giving in to egos style either. I must say that i'd be happy as long as zidane stays away! We've had our club in turmoil with 1 inconsistant, joke of a french player for 5 years we certainly don't want another miserable sod to carry on the legacy and likely convince the former to stay!


9.) 09 Nov 2021 17:42:00
Keane is still better than Ole. Would be a huge improvement.


10.) 09 Nov 2021 17:58:37
agree angel- would definately tell a few the truth is that they are stealing a living!


11.) 09 Nov 2021 18:42:02
Very hard to do an accurate Maguire impression Danny. These days the guy wanders round the pitch like an enchanted wardrobe who has just discovered the truth of his own mortality.


12.) 09 Nov 2021 19:02:05
Nobody has mentioned Rooney because he is not experienced enough it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I think it would be a more interesting for to watch but 1 doomed to failure at this point.
I do think he will make a good manager in time that's just a personal opinion.


13.) 09 Nov 2021 19:53:47
May as well being him back as a player to play in a front 3 with Ronnie and Cavani.


14.) 09 Nov 2021 20:52:36
Just speaking generally i'm always mystified about this view that these high profile players can manage at the top level. Not only that but Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard could have decent careers and be judged "succesful" if they managed no higher than championship clubs for a sustained period of time which is quite an achievement in itself.


15.) 09 Nov 2021 21:16:43
BfBW. I don't make any assumptions that any player will make a good manager. Some do but it's an elite group.
My favourite united player was Bryan Robson he never quite cut it as a manager despite being such an inspirational player.
Lots of players take their badges early and spend time with the youth players.
I think Rooney has a great understanding of the game he has good experience under some great managers and played with some great players.
I think he is a winner. He has found himself in an awful job but it will teach him plenty and I think there are going to be better times ahead for him as a manager in the future.
Despite all the madness he has remained pretty grounded and close to his roots. He is not afraid of hard work and is up for most challenges.
Stayed here 2 or 3 years too long all the same. Just saying?.


16.) 10 Nov 2021 00:07:12
I agree Ken- I think Rooney will be able to get players to play for him. However I think it’s fair to say he’s not the brightest lad, so I reckon he would need to build a good experienced coaching staff. Hope he does well with derby and gets a decent owner.


17.) 10 Nov 2021 10:29:27
If Rooney is our best choice for manager then our options are Wayne-ing.


18.) 10 Nov 2021 15:48:16
Shappy, our options for manager are on the Wayne?


 

 

29 Sep 2021 17:04:34
What team do you want to start tonight? I see most slating the midfield duo of McFred, however who would you start?

If I remember correctly, McFred didn't start in the final against them and that was an awful game for us.

Jonaldinho

1.) 29 Sep 2021 17:44:25
If we are going to continue with the 4231 formation I would love to see Van De Beek and McTominy play together, this may not be popular but I think they could dove tail with one dropping of the other goes forward or allow for Van De Beek drop as a true HM with McTominy bridging the gap to Fernandes.
Personally with only this game and Everton before the international break we need to go with the best we have.
Play Sancho, Fernandes, Greenwood and Ronaldo (No Pogba) .
We need to stop shooting from all angles looking for the highlight goal, play intricate smart football and look to put others in.


2.) 29 Sep 2021 17:52:45
McTom as a holding player behind VDB and Bruno. Have some bravery for once and put out a midfield that can dictate play.


3.) 29 Sep 2021 18:16:26
Brad, that would be ideal to me. I think a lot having been calling for that for sometime. But Ole is so useless, he won't go for it.


4.) 29 Sep 2021 18:20:10
I like that idea Danny but doubt it will happen. Despite what Ole says, he is always safety first.


5.) 29 Sep 2021 18:58:27
Pogba McTom, with sancho, greenwood, Fernandes and ronny.


6.) 29 Sep 2021 19:04:57
Close Danny, but still not McFred so result.


7.) 29 Sep 2021 19:06:54
McPog instead of McFred.


8.) 29 Sep 2021 19:55:05
I just hope Pogba isn’t played deep. McTominay can do the holding role on his own.


9.) 29 Sep 2021 22:01:40
Ddg and ronaldo that's all we need.

{Ed014's Note - Jesus that was close, had a bit of a panic attack, thought Ole was going to get the sack! ??


10.) 29 Sep 2021 22:18:22
Battered but won ronaldo will get the headlines but ddg has just won us another game fantastic again.


11.) 30 Sep 2021 01:14:26
More confirmation from tonight that Pogba cannot play in the midfield, we really need to let him go now, slows us down, wastes possession, won’t defend, and he gets shoe horned in when really he’s holding us back . Get rid now, 5 years in and we’re still none the wiser as to what he’s good at!


12.) 30 Sep 2021 12:13:05
Agree Chris, everything improved once he was hooked.


 

 

10 Mar 2021 11:34:00
How many of our sales would you consider to be a "fair and decent" price? Looking at the sale of players we have had over the last few years the only one that seems like a good deal (in terms of money) for United was CR7.

We are constantly selling players for less than we paid, we sell very few players on for profit.

This been said, the general consensus is to sell most of the following; Jones, Pogba, Bailly, DDG, Lingard, Andreas, Martial.

So how much do you genuinely believe we can get for each? Purely playing football manager, as I know they all demand high wages (our fault again) and there are other factors at play.

Jonaldinho

{Ed077's Note - we dont sell many players to other "top" clubs so most of the buying club cant afford to pay decent/huge transfer fee and the wages we pay the players. We also very rarely sell players that we deem good enough for us.

Lukaku to Inter ?
Young to Inter ?
Blind to Ajax?}


1.) 10 Mar 2021 11:54:50
There are no decent prices in football, because of the TV money everything now is over inflated and the biggest clubs, like us will always get charged a premium price for a player. We are not the only club it happens to, just look at the biggest clubs in Spain.


2.) 10 Mar 2021 12:02:22
Ed077 - Lukaku was less than we paid I believe? Young was just over 1mil, which even at 34/ 35 seems cheap. Blind was basically the same price as we had paid, so made little to no profit.

Your justification for as to why this is the case is spot on though.

{Ed077's Note - recouping most of what you paid for unwanted players is good business IMO. Lukaku and Blind weren't in the managers plan so the deal was fair in my view. Getting around 1m for around 34 yr Young who could have just signed a pre-contract with Inter is good deal for us no question. He was really bad for us if I should remind you.


3.) 10 Mar 2021 13:14:09
We are not a buying and selling club so why does it matter?

Works great for clubs like Dortmund and a while back Atletico and that was their business model. Southampton is another example.

If we are selling players for huge fees it means there's still demand for them meaning they probably still have more to offer.

We (generally) buy players as they enter their peak and then move them on when they approach their expiry date. That rule doesn't apply to all players but it's generally how we've dealt with transfers for the past couple of decades.


4.) 10 Mar 2021 13:35:55
Normally when you leave United, the only way is down apart from a handful of clubs. Unless you want to break records for our players, we don't sell if they are part of the managers plans.


5.) 10 Mar 2021 14:47:48
Jonaldinho, I think this will likely be a funny summer for prices and we will not get for those players what previously we would have classed as good value. Jones/ Pereira may be a case of releasing on free's or at the very best a couple of million, neither have performed well in the past year or so and Jones medical record is shocking. Both De Gea and Pogba will likely get around £30m/ £40m for different reasons, Pogba as it is his last year I just don't think the market will be there to get much more. De Gea has dropped from his best in the past years and with the C.V. situation clubs will not be spending big on him, we can hope for a battle maybe between PSG And Juve who are the ones likely to want to upgrade.
Martial/ Bailly and Lingard I genuinely believe will still be here next year. We will not be spending big on a striker with other needs more pressing and when he plays well is worthy of a place, Bailly offers a good option at the back with his pace so I would expect him and Lindelof to be the main switch options. Lingard I think will come back rejuvenated which appears to be what OGS wanted for this loan, still a rotation player I see OGS wanting to keep him around.


 

 

 

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03 Aug 2015 13:28:20
They must be the prophet we've all been waiting for

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03 Jan 2022 16:44:09
I’m hoping for him to make the full 90. A few mistakes, a few gurns but will still be better than Maguire.

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13 Dec 2021 14:24:59
The winner takes all the Ballon D’ors.

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26 Nov 2021 11:56:09
Based on my minimal knowledge, but it seems if you are willing to work hard, you'll be a winner for him and if you don't you'll be on the losers lists.

Winners - CR7, Sancho, DVB, Fred, Varane, Rashford, Bruno, McTominay, Lingard (if he stays)

Losers - Greenwood, Pogba, Martial, Maguire

Make or break - AWB, Bailly, Lindelof, Shaw.

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25 Nov 2021 15:59:38
Any info that someone has on him would also be appreciated.

Why do people believe he could move into a DOF role after his interim appointment? Is this something he has done before?

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09 Nov 2021 14:54:58
Get in Rio instead? He seems to know what he's talking about on BT Sport.

Jonaldinho