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25 Jul 2021 17:37:34
I think on the whole Ole has improved the morale of the squad and the first team's cohesion.
Granted we did not win anything last season but there was definitely an improvement in performance and results. I know some games were disappointing but c'est la vie.
It takes time to build a successful team and club and we are definitely moving in the right direction.
The days of United dominating play and the transfer market are long gone so let's welcome the new signings, get behind the team and the manager and have a good season. We all deserve this.

MOTZ11

1.) 25 Jul 2021 17:57:38
Okay. Will do.


2.) 27 Jul 2021 07:27:15
MOTZ11,

It certainly does take time to build a team but it takes a lot more to win the biggest honors.

The days of United dominating play looks certainly over with Ole in charge.

I guess everyone is going to be behind the team irrespective and hopefully your belief pays off.


 

 

 

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04 Aug 2021 09:55:08
Young players to come through this season -

I think Shoretire will get more game time probably from the bench with Pellestri, Amad and Garner.

Some of them may go out on loan. What happened to Laird? He was supposed to be up and coming.

MOTZ11

1.) 04 Aug 2021 10:11:05
MOTZ11, given how Ole uses his substitutions I don't see any of the youngsters except maybe Amad getting some game time.

A lot will depend on if Martial/ James snap up the chances they get and on how quickly Rashford recovers and is ready for action.

Probably a few youngsters get a chance in the cup competitions to impress other than that I really do not see any opportunities for them.

It is wise that most of these youngsters are sent out on loan and are able to play regularly to make some real progress to have a shot in the first team going forward.


2.) 04 Aug 2021 10:14:24
Pellistri is going on loan by all accounts.

I think laird is coming back from an injury, that’s the only thing holding him back in my opinion.


3.) 04 Aug 2021 10:17:49
LPU,

Considering how useless he is quite a few kids got a chance off the bench last season if I remember correctly.


4.) 04 Aug 2021 10:14:24
Pellistri is going on loan by all accounts.

I think laird is coming back from an injury, that’s the only thing holding him back in my opinion.


5.) 04 Aug 2021 11:11:58
I'd say Elanga or Amad should take the gametime that would be given to Dan James.

Cavani, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Pogba (has been played on the left fairly often towards the end of the season), Mata and one of them is more than enough cover for 3 positions even with Rashford probably missing the first couple of months and multiple competitions.

Both have brighter futures than James in my opinion and there's a chance we could sell James for a reasonable amount based on the fact sides are interested in him.

I'd say it's at least a year too soon for Shoretire as he needs some time in the gym to be ready for the step up, Pellistri (La Liga) and Garner (PL ideally or Championship) both out on loan. I'd happily have Garner as part of the squad as a Matic replacement though. Laird also needs a loan of a decent standard imo.


6.) 04 Aug 2021 11:22:21
Jose and lvg gave a load of debuts also. Means very little unless you follow through and they deserve more opportunities. Easy to give debuts in meaningless games it takes balls and talent to follow through.
I'd say none of the above with possible exception of amad will get any meaningful game time.
You will see ole go to James mata matic martial before any of them if they are still here.
Is that the correct thing to do?
Time will tell.


7.) 04 Aug 2021 11:37:59
Hannibal Mejbri needs to be given a chance this year.
Very talented and i believe can make the step up.


8.) 04 Aug 2021 13:33:34
It'll be interesting to see. For me though unless we can ship out half a dozen players or so such as Lingard and Andreas Pereira then we might struggle to see many young players get too many chances.

Our bloated squad probably takes away at least 1000 minutes of football from our academy players every season, it could very well be 2000 or even 3000 if you include cup games.

When we look at which youngsters could make the step up we have laird at RB, but with AWB, Dalot, Williams and potentially a new signing. So he's not really got much chance and will need to go on loan.

Mengi similar, with Varane signing along with Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe ahead of him he'll also need a loan. Maybe Tuanzebe as well.

Garner faces a similar issue in midfield, with Matic, Pogba, Fred, McTominay, Donny and even Andreas Pereira ahead of him. Plus we are showing interest in players like Neves, Rice, Saul and Camavinga if one or more of our current midfield options does leave.

The wide forward areas are an interesting area as we have potentially 4 top class youth players (Amad, Pellistri, Shoretire and Elanga) who could all potentially make the grade. Currently ahead of them are Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Lingard, James, Mata and Andreas Pereira. Interestingly though three of that seven (Lingard, James and Pereira) have all been linked with moves away either permanently or on loan. While long term Mata will leave/ retire at the end of the season. While Greenwood looks destined to be a central striker and not a wide player.

So there is a lot of scope both in terms of current players leaving and in terms of youngsters breaking through in those wide areas.
I'd expect to see Pellistri head out on loan. Shoretire is a tricky one as he needs a loan but can't go on loan until February at the earliest when he turns 18.
Amad and Elanga look the most ready to breakthrough this season and with Rashford out for the first 2-3 months then there could be an opportunity as long as we can move on a few of the squad players.

Which youngsters get a chance this coming season mostly depends on the futures of Dalot, Williams, Jones, Tunazebe, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Donny, Lingard, Pereira and James.


9.) 04 Aug 2021 14:20:48
I'd love to see Elanga get a chance as a 9. From what I've seen, he's great at getting into the right areas to get on the end of chances, and for a young lad, he's quite bulky. Just needs to improve his finishing a little.


10.) 04 Aug 2021 14:26:14
Greenwood is not a central striker, he is a winger.


11.) 04 Aug 2021 15:26:51
Grim, while he has played mostly on the right in the first team, at under 23 level and below he played right across the front line and mostly central. most of his coaches agree that long term he'll be a central striker.

His style has been linked to RvP a lot and I can see the similarities. Maybe similarly to RvP he'll play for a couple of season's wide before moving more central. It definitely makes sense while he is growing into his body.


12.) 04 Aug 2021 18:01:22
Shappy

Surprised you missed Mejbri, very talented footballer who I hope will get a lot of time this season.


13.) 04 Aug 2021 19:04:12
Red Man, Hannibal is one of those who is so obviously talented enough I think it is a matter of time rather than if he makes it.

The issue he has is Bruno is 26 and in his prime, while the competition out wide is fierce and I don't think a wide role best suits him. He needs a loan this season in my opinion. Under 23's is too far beneath him challenge wise. I'd send him out to the Championship and let him get used to playing mens football.


14.) 04 Aug 2021 19:49:26
I'm also of the camp that says Greenwood isn't a centre-forward. Not for quite a few seasons at least. When he has been deployed centrally it looks like a child who has won a fanzine competition to play up front for Utd. He's far more convincing on the right-wing in my opinion and I think that's where he'll end up. I think Sancho will play a lot on the left, especially given that Rashford and Martial can't even pull their socks up without injuring themselves.


15.) 04 Aug 2021 20:56:07
Greenwood is a cf and will play cf and will be a success.
He may not make the position his own for a year or 2 but imo will be better than haaland.


16.) 04 Aug 2021 21:43:43
I actually don’t know if that’s a joke or not Ken! But would love to see it.


17.) 04 Aug 2021 22:23:50
Spenno, I don't think that's a joke from Ken. After all the Irish are not known for having a sense of humour 😂

To be honest I think Greenwood has the ability to smash Rooney's top scorer record. He is by far the most natural clinical finisher off of either foot that I've seen.


18.) 05 Aug 2021 06:43:01
As Shappy said Greenwood is a natural clinical finisher and one thing I am impressed by is the power and placement he manages with his shots.

Even his low shots traveling on the ground from a distance has such accuracy that it beats the GK most often than not which is probably the best I have seen for a long time.

He is not yet ready to play centrally but you can bet he has the most attributes to do so if required.


19.) 05 Aug 2021 13:43:26
No joke spenno. How many episodes goals did kane have at greenwood's age?
I hope we get a new manager and coaches before this lot destroy him.


 

 

27 Jul 2021 18:45:31
With the signing of Varane it appears we have a first choice Centre back partnership of Maguire and Varane.

So the obvius question for me is are we keeping or able to keep both Lindelof and Bailly. I can't see them waiting around any longer. If so what values will be placed on them for sale.

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1.) 27 Jul 2021 18:47:20
It's a squad game. Lindelof will get minutes. Think bailly will leave next season however.


2.) 27 Jul 2021 18:48:52
Motz11, we need 2 backup CBs, 3 given how injury prone Bailly and even Tuanzebe is. I would keep all 3 if possible.
All it takes is a long term injury to one of Maguire or Varane and team will struggle.
We've seen the same with Liverpool with them playing U23 players as CB at one point of time. Bailly is better than those 2.
I don't see why we need to to sell when we are going to play 50-60 games next season.
The question should be will Ole have the presence of mind to rotate them.


3.) 27 Jul 2021 19:37:20
our squad size is ridiculous and the wage bill astronomical, too much quantity over quality over recent seasons so the suits will be pushing people out and rightly so.


4.) 27 Jul 2021 20:01:12
Personally I'd ship out jones and Tuanzebe first. The latter is a shame but I just don't see him kicking on any time soon. Lindelof and bailly are decent back up choices.


5.) 27 Jul 2021 20:30:07
RedWhiskey call me a pessimist but imagine if Varane gets injured in the first month as premier league can be hard physically and Bailly does get injured again. Mengi is out on loan.
U will have only lindelof and Maguire as the fit CBs.
This means that Shaw, matic and mctom will have to help out.
I don't like this place as Bailly will get injured again as he usually does all the time.


6.) 27 Jul 2021 20:43:12
Jones needs to go, I'd also probably loan out Tuanzebe as well as Mengi.

Tuanzebe might still make it, but he needs a full season of playing. If he stays he is 4th/ 5th choice.

Then we go into the season with Maguire and Varane as first choice. Lindelof as back up along with Bailly.

Hopefully one or both of Tuanzebe and Mengi do well on loan and they come back for the 2022/ 23 season probably replacing Bailly.

I have high hopes for Tuanzebe but he has a touch of the Wes Brown about him. Clearly a very gifted defender, but just struggles to stay fit long enough to establish himself. Mengi also looks a great player in the making, he could very well over take Tuanzebe. Also keep an eye on Fish who looks a tidy player. Not sure he will make it at United as a first choice player, but could certainly get a game or two and maybe take a squad role.


7.) 27 Jul 2021 20:50:00
Get set of tuanzebe he had played 5 good games in 4 years.


8.) 27 Jul 2021 20:55:26
Ken I reckon the talk of extending Tuanzebe’s deal before a loan is in the hope he has a very good season and we can sell him for a decent amount.


9.) 27 Jul 2021 20:58:47
A top Prem club needs 4 top-class CBs easy. Look at what happened to Liverpool as soon as they started having to improvise. Henderson, scrambling around for last minute bargain deals and loaning Ozak with none of them exactly standing out. So the singing of Varane shouldn't be the end of Lindelof by any means, in fact I'm sure he still racks up as many caps as the others across the season. Bailly is still wanted then there's Tuanzebe. I think that's the right mix, sadly no place whatsoever for Jones. The fact he's still there is a marvel.


10.) 28 Jul 2021 05:34:49
Tbh Tuanzebe was fit for most of last season. Ogs chose not to play him. He needs a move to another club to continue his development.


11.) 28 Jul 2021 08:40:44
we may still sign another cb yet guys torres or kounde?

{Ed001's Note - isn't Kounde off to Chelsea?}


12.) 28 Jul 2021 08:48:58
Maybe OGS will play 3 at the back in certain away fixtures?


13.) 28 Jul 2021 11:28:13
My original point was that Lindelof is an International player for Sweden and may not see himself as a back up player. Bailly has already asker for clarification about his position. We can't just keep players as backups and expect them to be content with this.


14.) 28 Jul 2021 11:30:37
ed001 -not sure ed as things can change so fast but we were linked at one time. think ed002 stated torres as no 1 choice a while back and we got varane, who thought of winjaldum to psg when he was nailed on barca?

{Ed001's Note - as soon as PSG made Gini an offer he was going to go there, as he was only ever interested in money. The only reason people thought he was nailed on for Barca was because they had the best offer on the table. No idea what he or Varane has to do with this though.

I don't know of any move by United for Kounde, whereas Chelsea are in talks over him, I believe.}


15.) 28 Jul 2021 14:37:31
Trying to make the point ed001 that the clubs looking at a top cb for example will have similar lists. They may indeed have the same players but in different order of preference. They don't always get the no 1 choice. In the case of Gini, obviously we aren't aware of all of the background details and reasons at the time and can only assume : he is never going to say its just the money surely?
Regarding varane, it was stated that he wasnt our first choice but it looks like he is coming in further stressing the not getting your 1st choice (at the moment) . i have just read about Kounde-chelsea links and although we may have not had any move it was posted in the media of an interest, rightly or wrongly.
My initial reply was that, to elaborate we haven't necessarily finished our business as yet and there could be an other cb to come who knows? This was in relation to the op regarding the futures of lindlehof, bailly and tuanzebe. Hope that is a better attempt at explaining what i meant ed because my finger is swollen from typing (not shappy here btw) lol.

{Ed001's Note - there is no attempt by United to replace Maguire, so why would a second centre-back be coming?}


16.) 28 Jul 2021 17:28:29
why wouldn't there be? if varane and maguire are 1st choice pairng then both being 28 is not ideal- read the post -i never said they would be getting a second cb but that the window isn't finished -nowt as queer as football.

{Ed001's Note - you are saying nothing but arguing for the sake of it! What a waste of my time this has been. Head in the clouds and not prepared to talk reasonably. I hate transfer windows.}


 

 

09 Jun 2021 10:28:49
I still feel that a lot of the problems stem from not having a Director of Footbal in place.
He would then determine the strategy, the recruitment, scouting and determine the correct targets ahead of the transfer window, Without one we are up Schitts Creek without a paddle.
Also it seems that City have a policy of trying to sign every target we want and rub our noses in it. Do people agree?

MOTZ11

{Ed002's Note - Obviously not - Manchester United appointed a Director of Football this season and Manchester City have zero interest in signing Manchester United targets.}


1.) 09 Jun 2021 10:49:47
I think the issue is clear direction and vision. Maybe that could come from a director of football, but that only works if the whole club will pull in the same direction and get behind the plan and do what is needed to make the plan work.

As for City trying to sign "our" targets, I very much doubt it. City seem to be well run and have a clear plan with their recruitment. You can see the kind of players they go for and they all fit a certain profile.

We just need to understand that as a club we get linked to around 900 players a year, with maybe 300 of them moving to other clubs. Did all those clubs pinch "our" targets or were we never really interested in them anyway.

City look to sign the best top class players or the best up and coming potentially top class players. Ones we have always been linked with.

Our top target is apparently Sancho, a player City have no interest in signing (or resigning in this case) .

Our top target for CB is Pau Torres, a player City scouted before we us. They then chose to sign Dias.

They might have an interest in Kane or Haaland to replace Aguero. But then they are two of the top strikers in the world, every top club is interested in signing them if possible.


2.) 09 Jun 2021 11:13:20
We do have a DOF in John Murtaugh…. the issue is does he actually have any power to do anything? Or is he like a few others just window dressing while the same people do the same jobs in the background?!


3.) 09 Jun 2021 11:26:36
motz we have a director of football. You were told this last week and now again today.
City trying to rub our noses in it? That's nonsense? They are a mild better team and a better run club i think they don't need to rub our noses in anything. Garbage post that.


4.) 09 Jun 2021 12:10:51
they are already doing that by winning mostof the trophys.


5.) 09 Jun 2021 21:54:48
@MOTZ on the contrary, I believe we are the ones who seem to be after their targets rather than the other way around.

I mean Sanchez and Fred (I remember, after his very good performance against city for his previous club. he was linked heavily with city but we swooped in and signed him 🤦. allegedly) are just 2 examples.

Plus, as the fellas here said, stop believing everything u read on the "blogs" n "news sites"!


 

 

06 Jun 2021 10:55:01
My Ins - suggestions


Heaton GK support
Torres CB
Tarkowski CB
Trippier FB
Rice MF
Grealish MF
Sancho RW
Calvert Lewin CF

My outs

David De Gea -GK
Brandon Williams-fb
Diego Dalot -FB
Phil Jones CB
Eric Bailly CB
Fred MF
Mata MF
Matic MF
Lingard MF
Martial CF.

MOTZ11

{Ed077's Note - tarkowski??? Really??? Like seriously???


1.) 06 Jun 2021 12:40:06
I'd love to see a few of those ins MOTZ11 and I think 3 could happen (one already has) . I think Trippier and Sancho are starting to look like they could too so we'll have a nice new right side. I think Grealish and Rice as good as they would be are looking like mega-bucks.

My ins: Heaton, Varane, Tripper, Sancho. Maybe a lower-key CDM who comes in under the radar and isn't the stellar signing everyone wants.

Outs - I'm sure we'd all like to see a few of those gone. Can't see Fred or Martial going and Bailly (new contract) and Mata look like they're staying. Quite why Jones hangs around after so long I have no idea (oh yeah, 50k a week) . Lingard and either DDG or Hendo will be the only big name players to leave, IMO. Although if Spurs appoint ten Hag, maybe they're an option for DVB as of course he knows exactly how to use him.


2.) 06 Jun 2021 13:14:53
In: Varane, Rice, Sancho, Trippier

Out: Lingard, Perriera, Jones, Bailly, Dalot, Matic, James, De Gea

Loan: Brandon, Garner, Diallo, Pellistri, Mengi.


3.) 06 Jun 2021 13:37:08
Is De Gea that bad that some want him out? . I still think he's head and shoulders above Henderson and I think it was a little disrespectful by Ole to drop him to the bench for Henderson. He was our only shining light for a lot of Van Gaals time here and is still a young player. I don't understand it.


4.) 06 Jun 2021 13:56:07
DDG has made a huge amount of blunders or awful errors since 2018/ 19 season.

The guy literally threw the ball into his own net against Watford.


5.) 06 Jun 2021 14:01:47
Tarkowski. In why. De gea is better than Henderson.


6.) 06 Jun 2021 15:12:18
I think with DDG there are a few issues beyond just his keeping ability.

Is he the best player in the EPL? No.

Is he the best keeper in the EPL? No.

Is he improving or declining? Declining.

Yet he is the highest paid player in the league.

If the option to move him on presents itself the club would be foolish not to thank him for his service and let him leave without unplugging the fax machine.

I agree with True Red Devils choices.


7.) 06 Jun 2021 15:16:13
De Gea is on the decline and doesn't justify being the highest paid player in the league and highest paid GK on the planet.

I'd give Henderson a season with consistent run and then judge him.


8.) 06 Jun 2021 16:14:44
Anyone playing FiFA?


9.) 06 Jun 2021 21:00:01
TRD that's window I'd like to see.


10.) 06 Jun 2021 23:30:48
Shappy, I'm not sure why you care how much he earns, what does it matter. DDG is the best keeper in our squad, I believe and that's why I think he should not be sold. Some on here are very concerned with costs and finances. Utd won't go broke.


11.) 07 Jun 2021 08:23:40
KDB is the top earner in the Prem, btw if that makes it better :D.


 

 

30 May 2021 11:32:12
I think it is time United invested in a Director of Footballl who can take the club to the next level. Ahile Fergie is clearly still in the picture advising Ole- we need a proper structure which will allow Ole to pick the team and head up the coaching while someone else is responsible for recruitment and the strategy side.

I am not sure who that person would be but I clealry see we need one.

MOTZ11

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United recently appointed a Director of Football.}


1.) 30 May 2021 12:41:43
Is he advising Ole?


2.) 30 May 2021 20:05:03
Yes
But he needs autonomy as well to have an input into the decision making and strategy at the club that needs to be put on a professional level. When this happens the club can move to the next level.


 

 

 

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07 Jun 2022 14:55:18
Reducing the sizeof the squad is a certainty
A lot of the players like Mata and Matic were too old anyway, others like Jesse and Pogba should have been sole earlier.

I take the point bout young players being inexperienced but if they won the FA youth cup then some of them will be incorporated into the United first team squad for the coming season.
I would keep one of Martial or Rashford but try and sell or loan the other out.
Elanga looked good last season so I think he will be developed further. I have not seen a lot of the other youngsters so I don't really know about them.
I would certainly try and get some players in with Premier League experience as this is important.
I would try and get a striker and a dfensive midfield player with international experience as this is what is most needed and where we are weakest.

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10 Nov 2021 10:48:57
Pogba can't go quickly enough for me . He is the laziest, most over rated player we have ever had.
An idea -why don't we swap Ole for Erik ten Hag. At least we would have a chance then and Danny Van de Beek might get a game along with Lingard.
Also bring back Tuanzebe from his loan spell. He is far too good to be on loan along with Garner and Chong. None of these could be any worse than we have at the moment.

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13 Jun 2021 13:06:30
Dortmund are in a strong position. They actually don't need to sell anyone . I think we would be better off going for Traore and Neves from Wolves who are also available rather than wasting another window pursuing Sancho.

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03 Apr 2022 12:24:10
Having watched what I called an utter shambles performance yesterday. I can only agree that we need to bring in some young players now. The problem is one of morale and lack of confidence in the squad. Apart from Bruno and Fred nobody really gets stuck in. The main issues are right back where we are completely vulnerable gama after game and central midfield where we give the ball away far too often and let teams runs through us. Until these two issues are resolved we won't improve and results will go against us. It doesn't matter who is in charge - these are the main issues and I wouldn't pay good monet to go and see them right now.

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07 Nov 2021 11:13:30
If this was a democratic club we would have sacked the directors and the manager ages ago. Thus useless players would have been sold or let go and the ticket prices would have been cut.
As it is we have the current situation where we have a useless board, a useless manager and an overrated set of overpaid playing staff, It feels a bit like Leeds a few seasons ago! I hope I am wrong.

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13 Sep 2021 11:21:50
I think Ole will give Jesse to the summer to see how he goes. The conytract offered will be determined by his level of performance. As for position he can play insod eor outside on the left or right, he is that versatile. Whether he will start regularly I doubt especially as we paid so much for Sancho.

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27 Aug 2021 11:55:11
This is validation that CR7 sees City as the best bet for another PL Title. He may be past his best but will still be a deciding factor in the honours destination again if he signs for the blues.

Just another example of player and agent power. We are building for the future so I don't think its any great loss.

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10 Aug 2021 09:19:23
What has happened to the maxim - if they are good enough they are old enough. The only way to find out about some of these players is to give them a run in the first team. Garner deserves his chance in the First team as does Shola Shoretire. If we don't bring through some of these talented players we will arrest their development and they will then never be good enough. We have a big enough squad to allow for this to happen.

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