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02 Jul 2020 09:30:57
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01 Jul 2020 20:05:30
Smalling and sanzhez loaned for another 12 month.

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01 Jul 2020 20:13:35
I guess it is till end of this season only. august 1st week max.

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01 Jul 2020 20:14:38
That's not correct mate. Their deals have been extended to coincide with the remainder of the serie A season. Nothings been agreed for next season as of yet.

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01 Jul 2020 22:10:25
ah must of mis read it.

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30 Jun 2020 17:38:48
Eds, any news on Marc Jurado? Is Utd looking to sign him and what kind of prospect is he?

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{Ed002's Note - I understand there is an agreement with Marc Jurado but he is just a child - you won't see him playing for anything except the academy any time soon.}

30 Jun 2020 19:02:45
Plus he is another RB which with TFM 22, AWB at 22, Dalot 21, Williams 19 and Laird 18. We now have Juardo 16 to give us a 6th option at RB going forward.

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30 Jun 2020 20:15:37
I think next season we will most likely see dalot leave.

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01 Jul 2020 10:49:37
Thanks Ed.

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01 Jul 2020 12:05:45
Dalot has been utterly underwhelming for me. When he was signed even Mourinho put him down as 'the best player in his position for his age in Europe'. I'd hate to see the worst.

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30 Jun 2020 14:51:28
Hi Ed I heard Lampards comments pouring cold water on the Angel Gomes rumours. It amazes me that United are actively seeking a left sided versatile midfielder when they had Gomes to try out. Now it's confirmed he is leaving where are his possible destinations?

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{Ed002's Note - Angel Gomes (AM/CM) is a free agent – Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund and RBL have all made enquiries since January and at least two of these three clubs have spoken with the player directly, but RBL opted to buy Olmo at the end of January. A third party has recently become involved and have approached two London sides and Bayern Munich, Chelsea is one and probably Spurs. The player says he would be open to a move to London if there was a guarantee of playing time and that appears to have resulted in the German and Spanish sides to step back. Chelsea and Spurs both have preferred targets for his position but Gomes being a free agent may make him attractive to Spurs who are struggling financially. Manchester United have pushed to have him agree a new contract but they cannot offer game time nor a roadmap.}

30 Jun 2020 15:07:21
Thanks ED.

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30 Jun 2020 16:13:15
Playing devils advocate here, but if he was a better player and applied himself more perhaps he’d get some game time?

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{Ed002's Note - No it is the amateurs who do not provide any roadmaps for players.}

30 Jun 2020 16:17:14
Eric like greenwood.

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30 Jun 2020 18:03:22
Just signed bruno, linked with grealish, still have lingard, mata and pereira on the books.

Ching singed a new deal and hasn't seen any meaningful gametime.

I think gomes has made the correct move for his career, needs to get some first team football with adults under his belt.

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30 Jun 2020 18:46:01
Interested in the roadmap idea Ed. How does it work? How can you guarantee fame time or plot a route to the first team if the player is not yet showing The ability to step up, train or drop attitude for example? I know the old adage of if you’re old enough you’re good enough etc is a little unprofessional, but there are very few other clubs with a heritage of promoting youth regularly into the first team?

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{Ed002's Note - It is fine Eric. If you are unable to understand it and expect guarantees of "fame" you are just being cretinous about the subject. You should stay well clear of subjects that you simply don't understand.}

30 Jun 2020 19:40:08
I think it's pretty obvious he meant "Game" time.

Eric I would assume it's pretty similar to the one where Utd have promoted an academy graduate into their match day squad for over 4000 consecutive games stretching back to before the Second World War. Sometimes the proof is in the pudding. I think we can all understand those stats despite the lack of a road map.

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30 Jun 2020 19:03:04
That’s the point Ed. Asked a question as don’t understand it as cannot relate to this in my corporate life. If kids are expecting their career to be mapped out for them then that’s incredibly precious and naive - it just doesn’t happen. Do your current role well, we give structure and support, training and guidance but they must perform and this leads to the next thing. Same applies surely? I asked a genuine question as I cannot relate to it - are Utd that clueless they simply sign these Guys and offer no guidance, coaching or plan of what they might become? If that’s the case that’s truly frightening and appalling in equal measure.

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30 Jun 2020 19:41:36
Think it was a typo ed. think he meant game time, not fame time.

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30 Jun 2020 19:53:59
Was a genuine question as I genuinely didn’t understand. Seems I can’t ask and learn. I just don’t see the parallels in my corporate real life to the spoon feeding these kiddy
footballers require? I guess they’re poorly educated and know nothing else sadly.

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30 Jun 2020 20:59:11
True. I did mean game time! 😂.

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01 Jul 2020 06:08:34
If rumour is to be believed then Gomes wanted guaranteed 1st team football of which clubs in Germany and Spain have all stepped back and thought we cannot agree to that. Coupled with this is he hasn’t been good in enough in the games we’ve seen him. Why should United play a player when those ahead of him are better and committed to the club.

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01 Jul 2020 19:23:23
Roadmap or not Angel hasn’t done well for the U23s for 12 months and underwhelmed in the first team minutes he’s had.

Good luck to him but unlikely to be good enough. Hope he proves me wrong, all the best to him.

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30 Jun 2020 12:50:45
Hi Eds
Is it possible to provide any updated list of United's transfer targets? Comments on Sky today attributed to United suggesting we'd only pay £50m for Sancho so assume we can definitely scratch him from the list.

Just the 37 points behind Liverpool so clearly it's time to penny pinch : (

Federico Chiesa at Inter and Ferran Torres at Valencia previously mentioned as RW alternatives. Do you see either appearing in a United shirt next season? Or do you see a cheaper option such as Willian for a free transfer being what our glorious leaders will opt for.

Criminal not to address RW with a genuine class player in the next transfer window.

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{Ed002's Note - Again, I don't really think much has changed at the moment and the club will look to to prioritise. Previously a DM would have been a target, but a new contract for Matic has delayed the immediate need. A versatile left sided CM/AM (ideally Jack Grealish) is still wanted. There is interest in the future with interest in Jude Bellingham remaining but a move being unlikely right now. Joe Hugill being taken as an option to Gelhardt. The club need to decide what to do about adding a striker with Odion Ighalo being the low cost option post his loan ending in January.

There are other youngsters the club have an interest in and could still look to cherry-pick like Ricky-Jade Jones and Kalvin Phillips. Then the issue shifts to players departing to make space. Donny van der Beek (CM) and Saul Niguez (CM) interest will have gone if Pogba decides to run down his contract next season because the club are holding him to ransom and may have no Champions League - and there is interest in both playersfrom elsewhere. A decision needs to be made as Manchester United may have the chance to replace Pogba with one of these players but they continue to make matters difficult for themselves.

In terms of Jadon Sancho, it is the overall cost of the package that is the major issue. His "agent" has approached other sides offering a better deal in terms of fees but both see the overall package as too high. Ferran Torres wants to be elsewhere and I don't see that happening. Federico Chiesa remains a very good option as I have explained. I doubt Manchester United woul offer Willian a three year contract if he becomes available.}

30 Jun 2020 14:04:43
Thanks Ed. Chiesa and Saul would be immense but Pogba running his contract down looks more likely.

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30 Jun 2020 15:12:29
You'd like to think United will make a reasonable amount from sales with Smalling, Rojo, Jones, Pereira, Lingard and others available. Having any takers for the majority of them may be difficult though.

Chiesa looks like the best option at the moment. He's also played in a front two so the split striker tactic which we deploy when playing 3 at the back could suit him as well.

Ed, I don't suppose United have looked at Traore? I'd guess his cost would be very high as well.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach for Traore.}

30 Jun 2020 21:26:33
Thanks Ed2 for the update.
My I ask what the options On the table to get rid of Pogba are?

You keep saying we are messing it up and making it difficult.
Sounds to me like there would be a reasonable offer on the table and the Plan to replace him with Saul/ van de Beek is done as well and we are just too stupid to sign it all off.

Is that really the case?

Thanks A lot in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - There are none right now Jonny.}

01 Jul 2020 11:37:54
But we missed the opportunity last summer, right?
In hindsight it would have been way smarter to get Bruno in and sell Paul to Real Madrid.
But hindsight is a bitch 😂

What is the preferred option within United at the moment?
Keep Paul (with an extension) or sell him off and sign Van de Beek or Saul?

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United are not communicating with PP's representative who is focussed on other transfers now. van der Beek is now considering options and has permission to speak to other clubs. Nothing is happening with Saul.}

01 Jul 2020 14:24:24
So we would need to engage his agent in new talks to move this forward, otherwise nothing is going to happen?

Seems to me like stubborn kids waiting for the other to say sorry first. Guess time plays against the club here.

No chance of signing van der Beek regardless of what happens to Paul? He doesn’t seem to be overpriced to me.

What’s the deal with Sancho right now?
It seems we have set a max of 50mil for his transfer fee. Is that due to the fact that we can‘t negotiate the agent and possible third parties down and try to get the total costs down?
Or is it trying to safe face after it‘s clear we will not be able to sign him?
Any other angle I‘m missing?

Thanks a lot for your insights and time.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) Manchester United seem to have no interest in moving this forward and the interested sides are looking at their other options. (2) The club would need to make space in the side for van der Beek. (3) The situation with Sancho is the price as I have explained - and perhaps his desire to move elsewhere. I know nothing of any maximum transfer fee (any limit would be on the total upfront costs not just part of it). There is nothing to stop Manchester United negotiating with his agent but he has offered a better deal to two other sides already - but it hasn't helped.}

01 Jul 2020 15:40:17
Thanks Ed!

1) is there an explanation for this? Are they expecting/ hoping Paul will extend if he doesn’t get the move?
2) so van der Beek wouldn’t join as it is right now?
3) I was talking about the Max fee of 50 million quid wandering through the press right now. Not saying I believe it, but that’s why I am asking you. What kind of fee is the agent looking for?

Thanks and have a good evening.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) Because they are hopeless amateurs. (2) Where would he play? It is Grealish they will look to first. (3) His agent is looking for €50M from Manchester United. Plus there are other fees it seems easy for people to ignore.}

01 Jul 2020 16:39:35
Thanks Ed.
1)it seems Woodward/ the Team will only ever concentrate on one deal And then move on to the next.
Is that actually what’s happening?
2) he could rotate with Bruno and Paul
3) is there any reasoning for the 50 Million? Or us it simply a case of using your power over the player to extract the Max amount?
Have we paid such excessive, at least it sounds to me, before? Habe we set a precedent there?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) I don't know, people keep naming Woodward but there are others involved and the club's structure is not something to be discussed. (2) Sure, but this sounds like the Liverpool's fans viewpoint on how they will be using Mbappe, Dybala and many others they are signing. You need to keep in mind that the squad is restricted to 25 over 21 and only 17 non Home Grown. Manchester United have the opportunity to cherry pick between the likes of van der Beek, Milinkovic-Savic and Saul as higher-end options to replace Pogba but have completely lost direction with the main issue they should have been working on. Grealish is the one unrelated to this as he offers something different - as does Cantwell who was also looked at. (3) It is nothing to do with power over the player it is to do with a planned rule change. It is cheaper for two other sides. The fees paid for the transfer of Pogba from Juventus were not dissimilar, but I don't want to open that up again.}

01 Jul 2020 19:37:35
So if Utd wait a year they would hope to get an overall cheaper deal?

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{Ed002's Note - They cannot be that stupid.}

01 Jul 2020 23:02:14
Seems like the club need to grow a set get the player and agent in a room and ask the question if he wants to stay in not (if they have t already) then act on it with pogba rather than being childish and acting like nothings happening because pogba hasn't said it in person to them (although he did say it in a addidas press appearance last year!? ) If we can choose between Saul van de beek and SMS I'd sell pogba and bring in Donny and Saul. I'd also give grealish a miss as I don't see whatever the club seems too especially at the supposed fees. Would aouar from Lyon not be a better option for the am/ lm ed?

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29 Jun 2020 11:58:58
Hi Eds and all.
Any updates on Sanchez loan at Inter? Appreciate United want his wages off the books permanently but could Inter extend the current loan with an option to or commitment to buy? Presume they'll wish to extend so he can compete in the Europa League. Potentially against us. Would parent club rule similar to that in Prem apply meaning Sanchez couldn't play against United in Europa? Assuming not.

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{Ed002's Note - They would be happy to keep him on loan with MU paying most of his wages but won't look to buy him.}

29 Jun 2020 13:32:27
Thanks Ed002. Very helpful.

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29 Jun 2020 15:23:58
I would rather take him back to add option, fixtures are coming thick and fast and if we are paying most of wages. its batter we pay full and use him on right hand side in rotation as required. I am sure he is not totally hopeless. If we can play Lingaard, we can play anyone. I m not saying not to sale him. but No for such type of Loan, where his wages are still our liability.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure that even Manchester United are that stupid.}

29 Jun 2020 18:22:07
Pay him off. Will cost us but he’s not going to have a buyer for the amount we will want. Saying that would paying him off be more amateurish or good business 002? I try not to understand our club as it makes me laugh and sick at the same time 😂.

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30 Jun 2020 10:27:34
Ed002 suggested it would cost around 50m to buy him out of his contract, which is insane. The best solution would be to come up with some sort of an arrangement with another club to buy him for next to nothing and just draw a line under the who situation. That could be a loan for a year with a compulsory purchase option at the end as few clubs will want to take on his contract this summer in light of the global C.V.

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30 Jun 2020 10:38:18
sanchez can't play for us if he comes back.

just loan him and pay half, its better than paying all for a player who has declined.

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30 Jun 2020 11:50:49
I think we are lumbered with paying half Sanchez wages and he never kicks a ball again for us. Not that I wish him too.

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30 Jun 2020 12:23:34
Is there no way we can get a tune out of him? He's only 31 and plenty of footballers are able to engineer some kind of renaissance after a bad spell or an injury.

Maybe a change of position would help? Could he play alongside Bruno as two number 8s? Could he be re-invented as a holding midfielder? Kitman? physio? Bloody hell, I don't know!

What is it that's wrong with him anyway? He used to be pretty good, why did he become so crap?

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30 Jun 2020 18:02:53
I share your frustration MancMan.
He was a super player not so long ago. But he just seemed to fall off a cliff and with his introverted personality he got into a hole and couldn't get out of it. Its ok to choose to be a loner when your playing great but when your playing crap its not ideal.
I still think he has something to offer but the inner camp obviously think otherwise. i'd try to pay him a mutually agreeable settlement and give him a free transfer. He holds most of the cards in that regard.
He will go down on a list for me with blanc ibra larrson and bastian as coming 4 or 5 years after they should have or we would have seen much better players than we did. (Ibra and larrson did well)
If he had hit the ground running and scored a few early doors it might have been so different. But he came he flopped he got worse and worse the hole he was in got deeper and deeper.
Surely he too would do better with bruno in the team? I thought the same about bastian but he just didn't have it in him and it looks like the staff think either he doesn't have it in him or that he is just a wrong fit in the dressing room. Or a bit of both. Having him around as a squad player on his money and with his personality may be seen as potentially disruptive.

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30 Jun 2020 22:35:28
Good point Ken, maybe it is that he is such a miserable so and so that they just don't want him around. Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract?

Also, can anyone remember why we signed him in the first place? Who at the club wanted to bring him in?

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27 Jun 2020 15:42:19
Sancho on the bench again.

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{Ed0666's Note - probably had another unsanctioned haircut

27 Jun 2020 15:52:39
It’s obvious his head has been turned however with C.V. 19 etc I just can’t see us paying what Dortmund want. There might not be anyone pay it either so he could very well stay. Think it’s best for the lad to get on with it and not burn any bridges, after all Dortmund have been good for him.

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26 Jun 2020 19:31:28
Ed002 you said in another page that Lovren is second choice for Roma and they are close to agree a transfer with their first choice. Is it safe to say that Smalling is close to transfer to Rome ?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no way of measuring "close", but Smalling is their preferred option.}

25 Jun 2020 16:54:17
A little surprised to see Largie Ramazani as one of the academy players who are leaving this summer. Apparently he turned down a contract offer. Shame he's had a very good season this year.

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{Ed002's Note - It is the same with Deji Sotona (LW) another kiddie who wants out - a "third party" has explained that the kid sees no plan for himself going forward and has made it clear that Manchester United is not the place for him to be. WEith no clear route forward players will be looking at other options at more progressive clubs.}

25 Jun 2020 18:10:32
Surprised and disappointed to see the Ed say this a few times. Nick Cox is the head of academy right? What are we doing wrong?
Fact is I see very few academy players make it as first team regulars at the very big clubs, certainly in England.
Ed is it all about the lack of a development plan and route to the first team, or is it also agents/ third parties driving some of these kids’ demands?
We still seem to be able to sign some top prospects from around Europe (at least when we splash the cash on wages) .

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{Ed002's Note - It is largely the failure to have a plan for each player - that might include loans, training with the first team squad and moving forward. There is also a growing issue where youngsters want too much too soon - and that is why several German sides are constantly attending youth games in England.}

25 Jun 2020 18:40:02
I get that not having a specific plan for each young player could be unsettling for a youth player.

I'd have hoped seeing Henderson and Tuanzebe do well on loan, while players like Williams, McTominay, Rashford and Greenwood all playing regularly in the first team might be enough to convince them that they will get a chance at United.

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25 Jun 2020 19:24:24
Joining this page years ago was like joining the Matrix. Take the red pill and the ugly truth will be revealed. The truth being that we have serious issues running from the top to the bottom of the club.

Should have taken the blue pill safe in the knowledge that we're the biggest club in the world, United D. N. A and all that tribal nonsense.

We seem to be going in the wrong direction off the pitch whilst being left behind by our main rivals on it.

P. s

7 more of those performances and Ole may get my blessing.

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25 Jun 2020 18:54:41
Thanks Ed. To my untrained eye those seem easily solvable issues. I guess it’s when they start to make demands about guaranteed opportunities or silly money it starts to get complicated.
Yes seems a clear business model for the German clubs, trading these kids as financial assets (which is ultimately what footballers now are? ) . Working well for Dortmund.

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25 Jun 2020 19:53:27
I would imagine that German teams attending UK youth games with the plan to take our young players to Germany will do wonders for the England team a decade from now.

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25 Jun 2020 22:43:17
should make penalties a less tense affair.

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26 Jun 2020 07:04:14
Not sure I can agree. No clear path to the first team?

Rashford, McT, Williams, Greenwood, Tanzuebe, Chong have all come through this season and Gomes has emerged slowly too (Alberti he is off) .
Henderson has broken through to be a very strong Premier League keeps on loan. ,

These players are kiddies - and are too young to be making demands - get your head down, work, and the fame and the money and the game time will come if you’re good enough.

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26 Jun 2020 09:30:23
Is Alberti that Italian wonder kid Eric? 😐.

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26 Jun 2020 09:40:08
I think demands for first team football, or excessively high wages from players who have at most made a handful of professional appearances isn't acceptable.

However, having gone to University as a mature student I have seen that young people need clear direction more now than I did at their ages, and I probably needed it more than my parents did.

Twenty years ago when a 18 year old lad in the academy asked his coach what he needed to do to get into the first team he would have likely been met with an answer something like "work hard, keep your head down, listen to you coaches" or words to that effect. Very nondescript, quite vague, advice you could give to anyone. That might have been fine 20 years ago, but the young people of today live in an information world, they want/ expect much clearer advice and direction. Very specific, they want to see a pathway so they know what they need to do and when, rather than aimlessly working without any idea about what or where they are going.

You need to be far more open when coaching kids these days. You need to start with the why rather than the what.

I don't know if the club is doing this or whether they have their 1980's heads on and just think "well it was fine for me" ignoring the fact that these kids have grown up in a very different world to the one that the coaching and managerial staff free up in.

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26 Jun 2020 13:56:27
“Young people want to be told what to do and when” to paraphrase shappy.

Half the problem young people face today is the inability to think for themselves and are constantly looking for the path of least resistance.

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26 Jun 2020 17:11:02
To me it seems a blend of what SAF had with Pogba, the clubs lack of proper organization and possibly societal pressure among others.
When you throw agents, impatient kids, inadequate personal coaching and the absence of well laid out plan together with social media and the likes, we are sure to get a sh*t storm.

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26 Jun 2020 17:51:13
Shappy that’s the same in any walk of life. I a manage men and women in their 20s who act like kids expecting us to map out their careers for them. Grow up and take responsibility and perform. Then it’ll take care of itself.

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26 Jun 2020 21:48:13
Interesting we have focussed on the players who have left, (none of which stood out massively to me) rather than the large number of players we have kept on. We have also offered to look after the players that are going and help find them new clubs with dvd packages etc, good from the club in these tough times.

Ramazani was the best of the ones that are going but he’s never set the world alight really so not to worried.

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27 Jun 2020 07:09:46
I think it’s pretty understandable really. When youth players see the likes of Sancho, Haaland and co making a name for themselves playing first team football, it’s only natural that their heads are going to turn. Sure we can point to our successes integrating youth into the first team, but for every Rashford there are probably 10+ players with unrealized potential passing through our academy.

I feel like we need to improve the way we loan out our younger players and maximize their game time in instances where they stay at the club rather than go out on loan (we made 5 substitutions when the game was won in our last match and iirc, not one of them was an academy player) .

We’re probably better than most clubs in the UK when it comes to developing our youth prospects, but clubs on the continent seem to be doing a better job at this point.

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28 Jun 2020 07:36:25
That’s the same anywhere red seven. Players like Rashford are rare and those conversion stats of players who make it are the same globally in every club. Should give you an appreciation of just how good the top players are not only skill wise but strong mentally.

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28 Jun 2020 09:29:21
Shappy

Interesting you say that youngsters need more direction and wonder whether the club instead have their 1980’s head on. Isn’t that what our direction is now, led by our manager in a cultural reboot back to the old ways?

Moaning teenagers always happen, they all think they deserve more but it is also likely a sign the club structure and planning from top down is not what it should be and yes back to the traditional SAF way.

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