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30 May 2024 21:19:44
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30 May 2024 18:02:36
Stories floating around that decision on eth is imminent and blanc wants him to stay and Brailsford on the opposite side.

If truth we have one of the best experienced football executive wanting to retain our manager and a one of the best cycling executives wanting to make a change. make what you want of it.

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30 May 2024 19:09:21
I’m with Brailsford on this one. An FA Cup win doesn’t change the fact that an eighth place finish and a negative goal difference are not even close to being good enough.

By all accounts, the board had made up their mind about Ten Haag this time last week. If they change it now off the back of one good performance, I’ll have serious concerns about their decision making. One good performance doesn’t make up for 60+ abysmal ones. We’ve been terrible since the Carabao Cup final last season.

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30 May 2024 19:35:51
It is all here say but the wording is that Brailsford is playing devil's advocate to ensure that they look at all aspects before the decision is made and not just be blinded by a trophy.
Again all here say and regardless of opinion I would definitely be listening to the experienced Blanc so long as it also ties to the whole leadership group.

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30 May 2024 19:39:29
I think if in doubt you back the person with experience in football.

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30 May 2024 19:46:30
Red7 i do understand your reasoning but just looking back a couple of seasons ago when liverpool where miles ahead of us in terms of team and manager they also had a lot of injuries and finished 5th with 67pts. Like I say miles ahead of us as a team and still had an abysmal season.

Yet there was no knee jerk reaction stuck with the manager who in the seasons since have done better with this season for a long time were in a title race.

Ten hag has had a season to forget except for the fa cup what with injuries, players not trying, past their best or chucking their toys out of the pram and then being let go or sent on loan coupled by the fact he's been hamstrung in the transfer market not getting the players he wants to get the team he has in mind. I read today AND Haven't checked the facts but apparently 42% of his signings have been loans. We are Manchester United supposedly the biggest team in the country yet scraping the bottom of a barrel.

My opinion but I'm willing to see ten hag remain for another year and see what he and ineos can do hopefully working in harmony. There certainly isn't a standout candidate to replace him for me.

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30 May 2024 19:50:49
redseven

You have a seat on the board to make that statement or SJR on what's app. So if they decide he is the right guy their decision making is no good because it does not conform with yours.

Whatever they decide i am okay to see what happens going forward. we will only know in a few years either way.

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30 May 2024 20:13:58
I hope they listen to what Blanc says and keep ETH seeing as he's actually ran a football club and Brailsfords number one candidate is Southgate.

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30 May 2024 21:19:02
Brailsford went and endured the dross every game since their takeover so I can see why.

It’s obviously bs Ahmad said Benni McCarthy was leaving at the end of the season and that turned out false.

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29 May 2024 21:39:50
I see we are being linked with olive. I absolutely don't think we need another winger.

We need a strong midfielder, a center back and a striker.

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29 May 2024 21:55:26
Olise! Damn the auto spell.

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29 May 2024 22:03:52
We need all of those things, but we don’t have to sign them in any particular order.

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29 May 2024 22:31:06
Olise seems very achievable.
I’d say Olise means the end of Antony + Amad or Sancho.

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29 May 2024 22:40:56
Glad that was an auto spell mishap - we've already got Antony, we have no room for another Silly Moo.

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30 May 2024 03:32:54
Still don’t get how I seem to be the only one with a keeper on their list of positions we need to address.

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30 May 2024 06:22:13
If we sign Olive, perhaps we could also sign Popeye as a holding midfielder.

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{Ed025's Note - or even Stan from "on the buses" AJH.. :)

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30 May 2024 06:25:12
Redseven, I think it comes down to priorities.

Do we need a keeper more than a CB?

Do we need a keeper more than a CDM?

Do we need a keeper more than a ST?

Do we need a keeper more than a RW?

Do we need a keeper more than a LB?

There's five positions where we are almost definitely in greater need of reinforcement than at goalkeeper. While in some of those positions (CB and CDM) you could easily argue that we need a couple of signings in each position.

Meaning we could/ should be looking to sign 6-7 players BEFORE we need to sign a keeper.

I get that some people aren't entirely convinced by Onana, yet he's actually a very good keeper. He has one of the best save percentages in the league despite facing more shots than all bar one keeper this season. He is prone to the occasional gaff, but the logic is that if we improve the defence in front of him and reduce the amount of work he has to do then we will reduce the number of opportunities he has to make a gaff.

I'd expect to see Onana as first choice next season, partially because we have far more pressing priorities elsewhere in terms of player signings, and partially because I don't think he's been given a fair crack this season given the shambles that has played in front of him.

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30 May 2024 09:37:38
The right wing is definitely an area that needs looking at and Olise for me would be ideal. He has been superb for Palace especially since the new manager came in and shows he can work in a team designed to play better football.
I would bring him in and have Amad as back up with Garnacho also able to play there.

We need to move on Sancho, Antony and Pellestri as we have seen enough to know that they are not working and could generate some money (offset by remainder of there contract) .

We do not need to look at a goalkeeper this year with other needs, we need to see what Onana can do with a settled back 4 who can play out from the back. We can then decide next summer whether he is for the long term or not.

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{Ed002's Note - Michael Olise (RW/AM) PSG and Manchester City want him as cover although the departure of Mahrez last summer will mean more opportunities now, but the RW position is effectively Foden's. If de Bruyne or Silva were to depart, he becomes an option again. Crystal Palace has no real interest in selling but know that Chelsea want to take Olise back to Stamford Bridge and Olise has made clear that one day he wants to be playing with his brother. Down the list of AM players Chelsea want but they will again perhaps push for him as he is achievable. His representative has said no other clubs have made any formal approach for Olise although Arsenal and Manchester United have also regularly sent scouts and he may end up first choice for Manchester United. Liverpool can be discounted. Will be available in the summer when a significant release clause will need to be met.}

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30 May 2024 11:22:23
Good points Shappy.

We need GK, LB, RB, CB x2-3, CM x2, RW and CF. It will take 4 transfer windows minimum to replace so the strategy will likely target profiles that meet what INEOS want (age, mentality) and there’ll be some flex with priorities based who’s available.

Olise is young, English and has a release clause meaning it might be worth going for him and persisting with Malacia and Shaw or Maguire.

As long as we get CB and a DM, I’m not particularly bothered what positions come now or in the future.

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30 May 2024 11:49:56
Thought Olise was French (or at least most likely to represent France having played for their youths) . Actually looks like he could opt for any of four nations.
I just hope Ineos have priorities of positions as well as two or three targets for each. Last season's approach was woeful, concentrating on one player at a time which meant we ended up going for players in the wrong order, IMO. Let's nail CB first as a concern.

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30 May 2024 13:13:39
Utd Road, Olise is a French under 21 international, he does count towards the homegrown quota though having been born in England and spent his entire career in the English football system. I wouldn't want to label him with a specific nationality though.

I don't think many fans have clocked on to the issue in our squad in terms of homegrown players. Many of the ones who'll be leaving in the next couple of years are homegrown (Heaton, AWB, Evans, Maguire, and McTominay) . While the likes of Shaw, Mount and Rashford are not certainties to be here long term. That's 5 of our current 8 homegrown players likely to leave within two years. That means we NEED to sign at least a couple of homegrown players this summer. Which probably explains the stronger links to the likes of Branthwaite, Guehi, Tosin, Olise, Toney and even tentative links to the likes of Adam Wharton, Archie Gray and Jobe Bellingham. How many are available and would be good enough to be in the first team means that players like Branthwaite and Olise might be pushed up the priorities list due to them being both homegrown and good enough to be first choice. There are good alternatives available for less, players like Todibo, or if we wanted a left footed CB Arthur Theate from Rennes would be an astute signing, while on the RW Johan Bakayoko from PSV has massive potential. Yet none of them count as homegrown, and we need more homegrown players in our squad.

In terms of Olise, I think he'd be an excellent signing, he ticks all the boxes for me. Young, talented, the right profile of player, proven in the EPL, counts towards homegrown quota, and should be available for a reasonable price given the market due to a clause in his contract. The only concern for me is his injury record is worrying. That said given Garnacho and Amad will still likely be in the squad and available, any injuries to Olise would just open up chances to our younger players.

I'm not against signing Olise at all, I just feel that in an ideal world there are other positions that need to be sorted first, primarily defence and midfield. I'd be signing 2 CB's, 2 deeper midfielder and a LB before looking at the RW. That for me is where we could see the biggest improvement. As said before attack wins you games, defence wins you titles. I'd be looking to build a solid defence who can grow and develop together over the next few years as my first priority this summer. Then it'd be getting a couple of midfielders to support and work with Mainoo to settle our midfield. The heart of the team very much dictates how the team play, or at least how they can play. Until we have a settled defence we will struggle with consistency in results, and until we get a settled midfield we will struggle to consistently use a successful playing style with good performances.

That's five signings straight off the bat. While none of them address the fact we only have Hojlund as a recognised striker. I've been impressed with Bruno playing as a false 9 over the past few games, and it looks a position he could play more regularly if needed. yet it's not a tactic that suits every game, so we'd still need an alternative to Hojlund to allow him time to rest and space to develop. This position is also probably more important than RW.

However, Olise is going to be available, in a position of need, at a reasonable price and ticks the homegrown box. The issue is I don't think 7 signings this summer is feasible, certainly not if we are paying fees for all of them.
Maybe moves for the likes of Tosin and Welbeck on frees would be prudent. Both fill positions of need and fill the homegrown quota. That also frees up funds for big moves for the likes of Branthwaite and Olise.

Which would leave us needing to still sign a couple of midfielders and a LB ideally. Can we find good value options in the market? Rayan Ait-Nouri would be my ideal LB signing, but again he'll be expensive, maybe moves for players like Melvin Bard or Bradley Locko might be good, cheaper alternatives. Likewise many would like to see Amadou Onana sign for the club (I'm less convinced, I'm not sure about his ability on the ball) . again however, he'd prove to be very expensive, so it's a question of can the club find cheaper but equally as good or potentially as good alternatives. Maybe someone like Youssef Fofana from Monaco would be a prudent signing, one year left on his deal and a regular for the French national team. He could be available for 20-30m which in the current market and given his ability is a bargain. Or someone like Morten Frendrup currently playing for Genoa. A young, tenacious ball winner who is better on the ball than his stats would suggest. Capable of playing as either a No.6 or a ball winning No.8, and has even played at RB when needed, which would help in terms of coverage for us. Or we could take a chance on a younger player like Oscar Zambrano or someone like Guido Rodriguez who while 30 years old, is available on a free, or Adrien Rabiot another available on a free.

Either way we will need our scouts to earn their crust this summer and unearth some players with great potential who won't cost the earth. Players who can come into the squad with lesser expectation on them, but who can rise to the challenge and prove themselves capable of playing at the level we need. We are often linked to many of these players, but we tend to take a back seat and let them move to other clubs that could be seen as a "stepping stone". Only to be back in for them 12-24 months later at 10 times the fee that club paid for them.

That approach might make sense if you are a top club competing at the highest level for top honours. That's an environment where you don't really have the time or space to give a player the chances they need to develop and step up to that elite level. That's a position where the club needs to sign elite players who have proven they are ready to step into that level and make an immediate impact.

However, that is not where we find ourselves currently, we are a top club in name, but not in performances or results. We need to rebuild, and that takes time. It actually makes sense for us to buy those younger players who still have to step up and prove themselves. Then give them the game time they need over the next couple of season's to do so as we develop and improve as a team. Let them grow together as a squad.

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30 May 2024 14:42:47
Damn, really wanted him but we won't get him if chelsea are involved. Ed002 don you think we have a chance or will london pull and being with his brother be too much for him to turn down? They do seem to have a lot of rws/ amas though unless madueke is leaving.

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{Ed002's Note - Sure there is a chance but he could also return to Chelsea.}

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29 May 2024 02:49:07
Hey ed002,

Firstly thank you very much for taking the time out of your day for the updates that you are giving us. I know you mentioned you doubt ETH will be staying on and mentioned tuchel, pochettino or de zerbi as the possible replacements. Just wondering are they the 3 main candidates now or do we still need to worry about the possibility of southgate being hired? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I think they are the primary options.}

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29 May 2024 09:36:21
It seems if there is a managerial change, Tuchel is being mentioned more than most.
For the posters who know more than me about the tactics that managers use, and types of players they gravitate towards, do Manchester United have what Thomas Tuchel would typically look for? Any glaring gaps, or do you think he'd be lacking the same types of player that EtH is? Or would he make better use of players currently out of favour?

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29 May 2024 10:48:37
Jesus, Tuchel. Short-term, likely to fall out with people, really don't think he's an improvement.

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29 May 2024 11:04:13
Agree AJH, I don't warm to him at all, in fact he comes across as a bit scary if I'm honest and hasn't stuck anywhere for long.

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29 May 2024 12:05:42
Tuchel - has won the most stuff, seems to fall out with his superiors at pretty much every club.

Pochettino - premier league experience, reputation for working with younger players

de Zerbi - won leagues in Romainia and cups in Italy and Ukraine - terrible end to the season, looks like his style of play has been figured out.

I’m not sure these three guys are that suited to the structure being put in place with regards to footballing style and transfers. Also someone needs to come in and be the bad guy to clear the decks and sort out the dressing room culture. I think we are better off giving EtH the opportunity to do it in his last year. Let him clear the ranks, work under the new structure working to their strategy, if it doesn’t work out at least the new guy comes in with most of the squad issues sorted.

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29 May 2024 15:37:30
Personally I'd rather keep EtH for another year, but if the decision is to part ways then of those three I'd prefer Pochettino.

Tuchel has the best record, but has a habit of falling out with people. He's also far too pragmatic for me and doesn't have the best record with developing young players.

De Zerbi plays good football, but is very inflexible in terms of his tactics. He also doesn't tend to stick around long, often jumping ship the moment he thinks a better club is interested in him.

Pochettino plays decent football, and has a good record with young players. However, ultimately he seems to struggle to take a team across the line. His sides seem to lack that steely winners mentality, often crumbling when in sight of the finish line.

However, of the three given the younger players in our squad I think Pochettino looks the best fit.

Oddly though I feel like if we signed Pochettino instead of EtH then the current ownership would still be looking to replace Pochettino, with EtH a likely candidate if he was still doing well with Ajax. It feels more like they are looking to replace the manager to bring in their own man rather than because the current manager doesn't have the requisite skills. Strange old world.

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29 May 2024 19:16:24
Shappy for me it’s pointless keeping ten hag for another season for then us to get rid and then re start this project with someone new

I’m a ten hag in. they either need to give ten hag a new deal and trust what he’s doing and what he’s done over the last 2 years

Or get rid and give the manager they choose time. we can’t be then getting rid if we do worse next season with a new manager

We need to start a new or trust ten hag and trust the short term pain for long term gain.

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29 May 2024 20:24:02
The sad thing about those 3 candidates is none give me any level of comfort that we would do better and if anything we may be back in the market not too long after any of them being appointed for a new manager. Rinse and repeat shall continue.

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29 May 2024 22:45:26
I’m really grateful to EtH and the team for the FA cup!

But over the course of the last 18 months we have not been good enough. Eth’s people management has been a consistent issue.
Tactically we have rarely looked good and seem to drop or raise our level as per our opposition.

Being objective EtH has failed to consistently get results. Which is to me is the people managing, he fails to get the best out of all his players.

The cups in two seasons show he has something but they’re anomalies when compared with European and League Performances.

INEOS will look at this objectively and come to a rational conclusion. Can multi million pound investments be trusted with this Coach.

The new set up is intended to make the manager a head coach and this could be a way to put known entity in and change the guard.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see De Zerbi with the ex Nice, new Ajax coach to come in 2028 depending on results. INEOS will be making long term plans.

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30 May 2024 10:57:24
Utd Road, has his man management been an issue?

Surely it's almost impossible to accurately judge from the outside.

We have known for a long time that this squad needed more discipline, and that is exactly what EtH has brought. Discipline and accountability. He seems to have been fair and consistent with his discipline as well, with everyone who has crossed the line facing consequences for their actions.

He's dropped key players for being late, and he's stood up to players who have been overstepping the mark and dealt with them.

At the final whistle on Saturday he had all the players coming up to him to celebrate with him, they handed him the cup despite him trying to let them keep it. There certainly didn't seem to be any issues between the players and the manager. While reports since have suggested that the players want the manager to stay next season.

Again that doesn't sound like a man who has alienated his players or a playing squad that doesn't want to play for the manager.

Tactically I think EtH is very good, he clearly really knows football and can come up with tactics that almost completely nullified City (arguably the best team in the world right now) .

Looking at the tactics last season and this season something has clearly happened at the club. Last season EtH regularly changed his tactics to suit the players he had and to counter the oppositions. And he was fairly successful with it, making two finals and finishing 3rd. However, the one complaint many fans had was that we didn't have a clear or distinct style of play.

That was something the tried to install at the start of the season but for several reasons it didn't work.

This season however has been very different. We have tried to stick to the same game plan, to install a style of play. EtH even stated at the start of the season he wanted us to become the best transitional side in the world. He set his stall out and he stuck to it.

Now those same fans who complained that we didn't have a distinct style of play last season are complaining that we didn't changes things enough tactically this season. Sounds like some people want to have their cake and eat it.

The issues with inconsistent performances this season are more likely linked to the inconsistency of team selection due to injuries as much as they could be put down to a lack of motivation or determination.

Rashford aside, the majority of players have seemingly played with a good level of motivation and drive this season. They have been lacking in quality and in match fitness/ sharpness, which has led to individual mistakes that have cost us goals.

Besides, a professional sportsman shouldn't need motivating to perform 99% of the time. If they haven't got that mentality and drive then they wouldn't be able to make it as a sportsman at an elite level in the first place.

Loads of super talented kids never make it as a professional, and that is nearly always down to mentality. They lack the drive, fight and determination to push themselves to make it.

If we have players who don't have the mentality to give 100% all of the time then we need to ship them out, it shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate professional players to try their best.

Objectively EtH has won two cups in two years with the worst Manchester United squad in nearly 40 years.

Yes there has been inconsistencies in the league, which is fairly easily explained by the lack of quality in our squad. When we have to rotate the quality in the team drops, as does performance and results suffer. League performance is really a measure of a teams consistency across the season. The most consistent teams will finish near the top, the least consistent near the bottom.

Likewise our struggles in the UCL (the elite club football competition) is equally linked to a lack of quality in our squad. This season that was compounded by injuries and individual errors that cost us qualification from the group stage.

Ultimately I don't actually think EtH's competency or ability will play a big factor in whether the club decide to keep him or replace him. He has shown at Ajax and with two cup wins at United that he has the requirements needed to be successful at the club, and his limitations at our club are linked to the clubs ability to support him and provide a structure that can be successful.

What will play the biggest factor in whether he stays or goes will be whether he fits the clubs plans and whether he is willing to fit into those plans. Does his tactical philosophy align?
Does his ideas about youth development align?
Does his idea of his role at the club match up to what the club want from a manager?
Is he prepared to work in a structure where he gets less say on transfers and is more focused on working on the training ground?
Finally, does his personality blend well with the new people he will be working with. If he clashes or cannot work cohesively with people like Wilcox then it won't work out.

These are the questions that will ultimately decide his fate. If his tactical and youth development ideas match up with the club then that increases his chances of staying.

If he's prepared and happy to work in the clubs new structure and accept a revised role to the one he's had over the last couple of seasons then he will likely keep his job.

If he has had good conversations with the new people he has to work with, and shows promising signs of a positive working relationship then he will stand a great chance of keeping his job.

These are the things that will decide if he stays or goes this summer, not what he has achieved in a broken structure that SJR himself has said has made it impossible for anyone to succeed.

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27 May 2024 22:41:41
Hello Ed, do you think EtH is going to stay for one more season?

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{Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}

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28 May 2024 08:36:31
I’m still very comfortable with my flutter on Tuchel here. He’s a show in surely?

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{Ed002's Note - Or Pochettino, or De Zerbi ....}

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28 May 2024 09:42:56
Hard to really know what is going on and the decision the club will make. I do think that the new ownership are right to review both keeping EtH and getting rid and bringing new manager in.

I do not think that a decision should be made based on one game, should they have already been wanting to give him another season then they would have been given confidence based on what they saw. Should they be wanting to get rid they can question whether he is a cup manager that does not work in the league. Depending on the angle there is a line to take.

For many clubs at the minute it looks like the press are just guessing. One minute Chelsea were in on McKenna, then DeZerbi and now Maresca looks nailed on. We had about 10 managers being discussed, a couple were definitely happening, McKenna looks like he is staying at Ipswich for another year, Ten Hag was definitely gone and now we don't know

The silence after the game does not look good, even though the club say they are finalising the review. I thought if he was staying there would have been an imediate statement after the win. Maybe they want to make it look not like a knee jerk reaction.

Interesting Ed002 has DeZerbi, there was talk that his buy out was negotiated down when he left as a club were ready to pay it but were waiting. That sounds like a club with a game still to play at the time.

We will find out soon.

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28 May 2024 11:26:09
Great post Brad. I agree wholeheartedly.

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28 May 2024 12:25:25
To me the review is BS. It's either a cover to mask what may be an unpopular decision to get rid of ETH immediately after winning a trophy, a stalling tactic before they have a contract with the "right" someone else in place, and/ or similarly before they walk back a decision they had basically made to fire him. They've had months now to "review" the season. We all know it was bad, except the final game, we all know the extenuating circumstances, and we all know the decision should not be based on one game.

The problem they have is that having won two trophies in two years despite all the problems he inherited, having brought on some excellent young players, having shown what he might achieve with the right backing, and there being no outstanding replacement available, they probably know they should keep him. That will require some negotiations with Ten Hag himself, not just with regard to transfer procedures and authority, but also with respect to extending his contract.

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28 May 2024 12:37:01
How have they had 'months' @Shawthing? It's only just finished! They just can't win. Moan when they wait and you would have moaned if they didn't.

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28 May 2024 13:04:33
It is taking time because they want the new DoF opinion but he can't be trusted to email his response on the right email account.

Once he's picked up the encrypted phone from the brown bag dropped in the tree in the park they can move this forward.

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28 May 2024 13:47:00
3 months of watching from the sidelines, letting various people go, hiring people, etc etc. As people have been saying you don't make a decision based on one game.

The EPL and ECL campaigns were inadequate to say the least. Were there extenuating circumstances? Yes. How much that let's Ten Hag off the hook is a matter of opinion. I'm not campaigning for or against ETH with this comment, even though I think we should keep him. I just think the season review excuse is corporate gobbledegook. The question is not the past but the future.

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28 May 2024 14:48:42
Excellent post Shaw.

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28 May 2024 14:57:55
Who’s conducting this review?

The new CEO doesn’t start until July and Dan Ashworth was last seen potting his geraniums?!

Jason Wilcox only started two weeks ago?

If they sack EtH before either are in post who has made this decision?

The cyclist enthusiast, the petrol chemical billionaire or Joel Glazer maybe?

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28 May 2024 15:58:48
Joel glazer…. god I hope not! 😂.

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28 May 2024 16:11:30
Why do you think they should keep him Shaw?

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28 May 2024 16:47:56
Thanks Ed. Who in your opinion is the best option?

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{Ed002's Note - Tuchel.}

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28 May 2024 18:04:58
Oakbark

Brilliant made me chuckle. Keep it up this site needs some good humor.

Shaw I agree with your post. Said same thing its bit of a window dressing exercise.

I believe eth saying they had told him they want to go forward with him, his demeanor and telling reply in terms of going elsewhere to win trophies if they don't want him spoke of a guy who thinks he has been messed around.

I think the next guy is in for a rude reception from match going fans and social media if things start poorly, they will need to back him with a massive transfer kitty. If its a cosmetic facelift of the squad none of these guys will do better imo.

I like how poch gets a free pass for years and seems to have this credit for winning nothing. A billion pound spend in transfers in two summers and he scraps 6th place. Tuchel and de Zerbi if they get half the treatment of what eth has gotten will burn every bridge there is given their characters.

Ineos are in a pickle as they say.

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28 May 2024 18:52:32
I can’t believe de zerbi is being considered. I don't get the hype.

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{Ed025's Note - nor me Eric..

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28 May 2024 18:53:17
There's no right answer, can see both sides. but sacking ten hag now this week seems nuts. especially if its for the Brighton fella, no thank you. But if its poch or tuchel I can see it but at least wait til next week. my gut feeling that ten hag will leave and poch will come in.

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29 May 2024 01:32:44
Tom, here's my reasons for keeping him:

1) He had a good first season considering he had to deal with no striker and the Ronaldo situation, the general incompetence of those connected with recruitment, and the club's inability to land a long term CM. He did at least land a trophy.

2) In the second season while the ECL and EPL were very poor overall, he did land a trophy at the end. He also had to deal with a plethora of injuries, particularly to defenders, so that he never had a settle back line. Last year Arsenal fell apart defensively losing just Saliba. Before that Liverpool declined disastrously losing just Van Dijk. So, yes, other teams had plenty injuries. Brighton, for example, who ended up being 17th in the 2nd half of the season, and yet De Zerbi is considered the next savior by some. It's essential to have pretty much 2 full teams of quality players to be able to maintain top level performances for 65 games a season. United, for various reasons, including FFP simply haven't had that luxury.

3) He seems to have done pretty well with the younger players, and indeed United gave teenagers 3600 playing minutes compared to 1250 for City, Villa, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool combined, which is exactly what many United fans have wanted to see. Bringing on young stars is supposed to be part of our DNA. Of course you could make the case that he only did it because he had to because of lack of options.

4) As Ratcliffe himself said, if every manager keeps failing then maybe the problem isn't the manager.

On the negative side, many of us including me became somewhat exasperated by his failure to change his tactics when it was clear that our midfield was too porous. His argument would probably have been that he was not hired to play LVG style negative football. He also seemed to persist with Antony when it was clear that he was a one and not very impressive trick pony. And of course there was the fallout with Sancho, which different people have different opinions about.

With 2 trophies already, with the bringing on of young players, having had to deal with an absent or incompetent management structure behind him, all the injuries to key players, and the enormous drop off in form for Rashford, the Ronaldo, Sancho, Antony and Greenwood distractions and the press pressure, I don't see the point in firing him UNLESS the club is pretty much certain there's a better option. And without the new DOF even hired yet who's to say what the new direction will be? How can a professional review take place without key personnel hired and a Glazer as one of the principle arbiters?

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29 May 2024 01:53:11
I don’t live either choice Nick. That being said, I like ETH but don’t love him staying on either. The mess he made of his second season is a crazy fall from grace compared to how well he did in his first. So which one was the anomaly?

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29 May 2024 09:11:14
Good post Shaw llets see what happens in the coming days.

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29 May 2024 18:16:16
I'm torn Shaw.
He has had a lot to deal with, but how much is on him? He wanted and has to much control of things. He apparently sets the recovery schedules for players so are some of the injuries not on him? He doesn't rotate his team a great deal when everyone is fit. The 1st season fizzled out after the league Cup victory. The players were dead on their feet.
His recruitment has been poor.
This season has been woeful and an fa Cup victory although brilliant shouldn't mask a very poor campaign.
The problem for me is, is exactly what you have said. Can they review the season with the people doing the review only seeing a fraction of it.
If ten hag is willing to relinquish controll and be put into a coaching role maybe this would be the best solution.
I think with mkenna signing a contract with Ipswich that may have put a spanner into what utd want to do. My worry is Southgate may be more available next year.

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27 May 2024 20:09:15
Martial gone. officially. Such a wasted talent if only he had the mentality of a Ronaldo or Messi who knows how good he could have been!

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27 May 2024 20:50:09
Plenty of players have the talent, very few have the mentality, resilience and work ethic to be elite level.

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27 May 2024 21:35:42
Finally!

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27 May 2024 22:34:02
Ed are we looking to replace Martial with Sesko and are there any other targets we would be looking at to replace Martial? .

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Sesko is likely heading elsewhere. The options are as I previously explained.}

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29 May 2024 01:53:48
Where will Martial likely end up Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Anthony Martial (W/F) Has to go but there little clear interest. Juventus had an interest but he would not be first choice now. Out of contract in the Summer with Fenerbahce keen to take a chance, else it will be the Middle East or a new contract.}

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27 May 2024 13:40:02
Rumours going around that Ten Hag will be staying at United but with a reduced role when it comes to transfers.

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27 May 2024 14:51:54
I think that after the last decade it was a given that anyone previously involved in transfers should have a reduced or even no role in any transfer.

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27 May 2024 16:54:39
The best possible outcome if you ask me.

Let the "experts" handle transfers and let ETH focus on implementing their desired style of play and coaching the players.

The managers of the last 10 years have had too many responsibilities.

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27 May 2024 17:14:36
That works for me, let him coach and not make decisions on players.

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27 May 2024 17:31:29
Makes perfect sense, hope it’s true.

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27 May 2024 17:57:08
Kind of hope so. That being said, if he stays, any run of dodgy results and he’s canned.

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27 May 2024 19:00:57
I would imagine he'd welcome that. It made sense he wanted control when he came in because it was awful before him, but he operated in a system at Ajax similar to the one proposed and did great there.

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27 May 2024 19:47:45
The issue with if you believe the likes of lvg, jose and ole the ceo bought players they didn't want or ask for. So i don't believe that all signings by ETH as well. So if true how is this any different to what's happened previously. Could be a disaster as personally think all managers should have a massive input into any transfer, as they are the ones who have to manage them.
But then again i'm still abit old school.

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27 May 2024 20:26:38
Do you guys actuallly think that the new board that naive to just buy players if Ten Hag doesn't want them.

The sporting team will discuss with Ten Hag and say this is 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice and they will try get the first choice for him.

You guys are quite naive to think a sporting director will just buy a player without consulting with manager and if that happens then it won't work but I an pretty much sure that is not how things are going tk be run under the new structure.

 3


27 May 2024 21:41:27
I hope it’s not true. I am sure ETH has given it his all and the injuries have not been kind to him. I am glads he gets to go out on a sort of a higher spot than he would otherwise after winning the FA cup. It doesn’t mask over the whole season of being absolutely below average.

He has not helped his case by being unable to manage the playing style (a goal difference of NEGATIVE 1 after 38 games! ), asking for players (even if you excuse the amount we paid for them) like Antony, Onana, Mount etc.

 3


27 May 2024 22:26:29
Singh I don't think anyone suggested that version. Merely that he'll have a reduced role. Maybe read the posts before going all in on the criticism (I didn't post above fwiw)

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27 May 2024 11:20:23
Ed002 are we looking at thomas frank.

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{Ed002's Note - There is some support for Frank at bManchester United but he would be no better than perhaps fourth choice.}

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27 May 2024 18:20:24
Hi Ed002, you’ve said for a while you think ETH will be be moved on, do you as things stand still think this to be the case and if so who is the front runner to replace him?

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{Ed002's Note - I would think Pochettino.}

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27 May 2024 21:44:14
Thanks for sharing Ed002. Can’t wait for us to start a new season with a new focus and perhaps one of lesser negativity than this season was. So be it if ETH stays but with Pochettino, Tuchel and others ‘available’ and I assume some of them also interested in managing United, it seems like ETH’s time is done. His interviews certainly make it seem like he knows he’s gone.

 2


28 May 2024 00:05:09
Southgate, Tuchel, Poch. it's changed a few times ed. Is there any scenario where we end up keeping ETH.

 0


{Ed002's Note - It seems unlikely.}

 0


26 May 2024 12:55:17
Hi ed, any chance we look to keep amrabat or was it too little to late for him? Thanks.

 0


{Ed002's Note - Sofyan Amrabat (DM/CM) Loan has largely not worked out well and Manchester United will not take up their €25M option. As such he will head back to Fiorentina at the end of the season. Agent is already doing the rounds with some interest from Juventus, Crystal Palace, Fulham and Milan. Player will want guarantees of game time. Fiorentina will want him sold but it is unlikely any of the interested sides would pay more than €20M.}

 2


26 May 2024 13:42:30
Well he did himself huge favours yesterday with that performance.

 11


26 May 2024 13:18:38
Thanks ed…Pity as he seemed to finally understand his role and when played there he really did well. Seemed fitter too. He was immense yesterday so at least he goes with a medal in his pocket!

 5


26 May 2024 15:42:06
If we could get him for £10m would be a good squad player if he was played in the right position.

 3


26 May 2024 15:45:58
If he could replicate yesterday’s form on a more consistent basis £20m would be a snip.

 8


26 May 2024 19:50:19
I agree if a reasonable fee can be agreed he’d be a good addition. Finally looked a little more like the player I remember from the world cup and we need options.

 0


27 May 2024 10:30:28
I don't know. I still get the fear when he takes more than one touch. A few times he was a whisker away from losing possession in dangerous areas, but managed to dig out a pass at the last second. Never really looks in control of the ball. Like his engine and attitude, though. Is that enough?

 2


27 May 2024 15:45:54
I think Amrabat would be excellent cover. He’s taken time to adapt but at his age and move from Italy it is to be expected.

It was similar to Sabitzer last season.

 3


27 May 2024 16:24:34
Looked like he had the game of his life on Saturday. Not going to get to that level every week. And as someone above mentioned, he is milliseconds away from losing the ball far too often imo. Need similar but with more mobility and pace.

 1


27 May 2024 21:45:35
He had perhaps 2-3 good games and 1 excellent game. It should never be enough to earn a contract at United.

 5


24 May 2024 22:19:56
Is there any truth in United being linked to Desire Doue?

 2


25 May 2024 11:40:41
He's looks a hell of a talent, seems to be able to play everywhere, wide on either side, false 9/ second striker, No.10, No.8, I've even seen him play No.6. He has such a good understanding for a young player that he can play all these positions and not look like a square peg in a round hole. Ultimately I think he'll end up as one of these hybrid No.8/ No.10's that seem to becoming fat more popular in the modern game. Someone who can be the creative hub of the teams but still does their defensive work off the ball.

I'd be happy to see the club sign him, although I'm not sure he would be considered as a player in a priority position. Also like with João Neves, would the club really look to play two teenagers in two of the three midfield positions on a regular basis. While slightly less impactful having Doue as a Bruno replacement alongside Mainoo, rather than Neves as a Casemiro replacement deeper along Mainoo. I still don't see many managers who'd regularly have two teenagers start in the heart of their team.

 7


25 May 2024 13:28:24
Looks like a Wengeresque signing.

 0


25 May 2024 14:03:15
I'm not going to pretend I'd ever heard of him but looks a great prospect. The fact he can play on either side would be a huge plus, I like the fact we can mix it up with Garnacho in that regard whereas we feel completely stuck with Antony.

 1


25 May 2024 20:48:26
He’s the spit of Greenwood. Fantastic talent.

 1


26 May 2024 05:31:54
It would be nice if for once we actually get a player like him.

 3


24 May 2024 20:16:24
Whispers of it being Southgate or mckenna.

 2


24 May 2024 20:27:33
At one point Southgate was the bookies favourite, he’s now 14/ 1, the biggest price he has been for months, so not sure where you’re hearing your whispers but nobody else is hearing them today. The only rumours out there at the moment are McKenna, Poch or RDZ at a push.

 2


24 May 2024 20:33:00
Both backwards steps.

Be back to looking again in 18 months.

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24 May 2024 21:44:17
It makes a change from the loud noises other people are hearing.

 0


24 May 2024 21:46:27
McKenna.

 3


24 May 2024 21:47:38
Wouldn't make any sense to wait for the Euro to be over and then appoint a new manager. It has to happen sooner. I think they will go after Tuchel. Someone here said he's on Barca's list but they appointed Flick. I would rather see him than Southgate. McKenna could gain more experience meanwhile and become the next one.

 2


24 May 2024 23:09:34
I was hearing whispers that I’m one tasty snack who’s ripe for eating, but then the bus came and the weird auld fella just left me at the stop. What a tease.

 2


25 May 2024 00:17:01
McKenna is favourite on a few bookies sites.

 0


25 May 2024 00:21:44
I have feeling McKenna is noise and it will be Tuchel.

 5


25 May 2024 10:36:51
I think Mckenna will be encouraged to stay where he is to take over after Tuchel.

 1


25 May 2024 11:09:17
Much rather Poch than Tuchel.

 1


25 May 2024 12:00:37
I wouldn't be against a young up and coming manager like McKenna, he also knows the club well and would have less issues settling in than other younger up and coming managers. From that perspective if the club is going to go for that sort of young manager then McKenna is probably the best option.

Personally I think a manager like that should be the one after our next appointment. Let the club get settled under the new ownership, get the structure set up and in place, working to a high level and get the majority of the squad rebuild completed. Then once the club and the squad is more settled and working like clockwork then take a chance on a younger manager who can grow with the young squad and take that step up.

I suspect we will have 2-3 turbulent years ahead of us with a lot of growing pains and tension. Both from disappointed and frustrated fans and from players who will find themselves being pushed to the sidelines and ultimately out of the club. While we know the press will jump all over the club at every opportunity. That's a really tough environment for any young manager to handle and develop in.

In many way the job now is much harder and bigger than it was for Sir Alex when he joined in 1986.

Personally I'd have Thomas Frank as the top candidate of those who've been linked in the past couple of months. Great EPL experience, great character and ability to charm/ work the press, tactically intelligent and flexible, has helped many players develop and become too players (especially strikers/ forwards, Watkins, Toney, Mbeumo, which is good for the likes of Højlund, Garnacho and Amad in particular) and has experience of working in a structure similar to the one the club is trying to put in place.

He'd be a stabilising hand who could help keep the club getting results, embed the style the club wants, develop our younger players and handle the pressure and the press well while we rebuild. He also has just as much a chance of stepping up and becoming a manager capable of winning at the highest level as any of the younger exciting crop of managers like McKenna or Amorim.

That's why Frank would probably be my pick, even though I know he won't be the most popular due to him being more of a known quantity and coming from a less fashionable club. The general fanbase tends to lean towards lesser known and thus more exciting quantities. You see it all the time with fans preferring an player from a foreign league who they have seen once or twice over the player from a lower EPL club.

At the time most wanted Sancho and Antony over the likes of Mbeumo, Olise, Neto. Last summer we all know that if we tried to sign Cole Palmer from City for 40m like Chelsea did that most fans would have been against signing a player "not good enough for City".

Yet now would anyone really take Sancho or Antony over any of those more known options?

That's just the way the fanbase as a whole are. Personally I always prefer to go for the more known players from the EPL looking to step up. It doesn't always work, but I do feel it has a better success rate than most.

I also think that bringing in a manager like Frank is less likely to fail than a risk on a lesser known quantity.

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{Ed025's Note - i you want someone charming and who will flatter the pants off the press Shappy...you might as well appoint Bradley Walsh mate.. :)

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25 May 2024 12:55:34
Ed025, it's not the be all and end all. But at a club like United the ability to manage the press is very important.

Obviously there are other aspects as well. They have to be tactically intelligent, have the ability to develop and improve players, the ability to work within a certain club structure, and to get results in the EPL.

All things I think Frank has shown he is more than capable of.

 4


{Ed025's Note - i think hes at his level now with Brentford Shappy, but thats just my take mate..

 4


25 May 2024 14:41:31
Like the idea of Bradley Walsh he’d be good on mutv. Can already see a blankety blank chequebook quiz show.

 3


26 May 2024 08:18:58
Do you know who is an even more known quantity at the club and has experience of managing large clubs like Ajax and Man Utd, history of playing good football and winning silverware? Erik ten Hag.

 6


26 May 2024 10:38:06
I think the club need to back ten hag he didn’t really have a good transfer window last summer and quality in depth is rubbish when we have injuries to the starting 11 I hope he is given more time two trophies in two years isn’t bad be nice to build on it with the right transfers this summer.

 2



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