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16 May 2026 17:54:21
Does anyone think we should have a look at Goretkza? He's a free agent, and he could add some valuable experience to this squad. Not saying he would be a started, but as 1 of the supposed 3 CMS we are looking to add, would be a good bit of business.
16 May 2026 19:06:35
Probably 4 years too late, but if he can bolster the squad I'm not hating it.
16 May 2026 19:44:22
Yeah, true Jim, but he's only 31, so could still deliver for a couple of seasons. Plus, he can pass on his knowledge to some of the younger players. He's won the lot. You always need a few older heads to keep the young ones in check. As a free, I think it could be a good bit of business.
16 May 2026 20:45:26
We need to churn 14+ players, and will need some free transfers this and next summer to accelerate the churn. But we also need to bolster the squad.
I like to look at the players who are expiring next summer, as there is a potential opportunity to obtain a player at a relatively low price.
Laimer, as an example, is expiring next summer and is currently in a contract dispute, so maybe he is worth a go at improving our right back position.
16 May 2026 21:19:17
Wasn't he looking for crazy wages?
16 May 2026 21:59:43
I think so, Eric, if you are referring to Laimer. Although crazy wages at Bayern might be okay at Utd. Especially if we can maybe gift them Mount. 👍
16 May 2026 17:12:38
Possibly United related: I'd like to know how Chelsea can cope financially with no European or World football. Last year they posted record revenues of £490m which will presumably drop by >£100m in the coming season.
Their payroll and amortization squad cost will pretty much consume all of that. The FA cap is 85%. Are they going to have to sell players? If so, other than Garnacho, who would you want to buy?
16 May 2026 19:04:10.
Would consider.
Colwill - Martinez replacement.
Enzo - one of 3 CMs we need.
Palmer - Bruno understudy.
Joao Pedro - back up/rotation for Sesko.
Estevao - consider letting Amad go to make space.
16 May 2026 19:09:26
Enzo and Caicedo would be nice.
Reece James would also be good, although injured a bit recently.
They actually have some decent players in that group, but the group is massive. It is difficult to really see a player in the spotlight regularly, as they are switched out the following game.
16 May 2026 21:20:11
Enzo, Caicedo, Cucurella and James. Yes please.
16 May 2026 06:41:55
With growing rumours the Glazer loving Ineos numpties are to appoint Carrick, some points.
If the club had conducted a thorough review, the answer would not be Carrick.
I think it is a huge mistake, there are far better out there but the club seems unable to free itself from comfortable emotional thinking despite saying they want best in class.
Will it be head coach or manager, will he have significant influence in player purchase? Suspect coach and some to little influence.
If it is a 2 year deal I hope they agree a low compensation figure for when they have to sack him, likely mid season, I suspect second year.
I will support the team as I have always done but believe the ownership must change.
Glazers and Ineos out asap.
Carrick would have to show more than he has ever done in his very brief career to make me believe in him.
Opposition fans are happy if we appoint Carrick.
I once said LvG should only have been appointed to prepare for Pep. Given Carrick and Holland influence is it prep for Southgate?
The club have an avowed intention to win the league in 2028, appointing Carrick means they think he can. I hope I am wrong, I hope he is running around OT with the trophy but I just can’t see it.
If this goes wrong, as I fear it will, Wilcox at least and if he also agreed with it, Berrada must also be sacked.
16 May 2026 09:08:16
Red Man, you are a long standing, well respected poster, and I really enjoy engaging with you, but posting pretty much the same thing again and again. Come on, we get it.
The poll suggests a 50 50 split, and many of those who are accepting of Carrick are not massively enthusiastic about it, but don't see any exciting alternatives.
You say there are far better out there, and I don't doubt Iraola is currently a better coach, but how would he cope in the goldfish bowl of United? Everyone is a risk, nobody excites me right now.
16 May 2026 09:15:10
Jeez!
The Carrick out bandwagon is already at full throttle.
I really hope he does well, otherwise the I told you so brigade will be unbearable!
16 May 2026 09:31:53
AJH
Thank you, and I understand. I am not Carrick out, can't be yet, he is a temp with temp contract ending soon. I am frustrated with the club, very frustrated. Once he is officially appointed, I just have to see what happens, like the rest of us, hence why I posted that for the last time now before appointment.
Once appointed, he gets the same judgement on performance as every other manager.
16 May 2026 09:54:54
You can't be Carrick out, Red Man, if you can't stand him even getting the job.
It's ridiculous at this stage.
You speak as someone who has all the answers.
If Berrada, Wilcox, Vivell et al collectively know less than a poster on this site, then the club is truly screwed.
But my guess is that they know plenty more, and we will be absolutely fine.
It is much more important that we get the recruitment right.
Carrick may only be a short-term placeholder until a better manager becomes available, or he may surprise us all and do well.
Either way, recruitment has to be on point because that is the key.
We have messed up recruitment for too long now, but in recent windows it looks as though we have turned a corner, and that's down to these so-called 'INEOS clowns'.
16 May 2026 10:09:08
I'm not particularly keen on Carrick getting the full-time role, but I agree there isn't a standout alternative. My biggest concern is that it feels expectations are dampened a bit with Carrick. The two-year contract and 'no one else better' mentality have almost written the excuses if things don't go well.
16 May 2026 10:32:19
Why would Carrick/Hopland be laying the groundwork for Southgate, lol. When they could just appoint Southgate now, seeing as he is available, lol.
16 May 2026 12:52:23
I don't think there is any way they could not offer Carrick the job. I think we were 7th, maybe 8th, when he took charge, and now we are sitting 3rd, with ECL guaranteed and probably 3rd place as well. Not bad for a temp!
He has used the current squad as well as anyone could expect, and in fact probably exceeded what we thought was possible from this group of players.
I get the "not so ecstatic" feeling of most, I am the same, but could anyone seriously come up with a viable alternative?
Iraola, I think, looking at what happened to Thomas Frank, big fish, small bowl to small fish, big bowl, will have swayed the chance away from Iraola.
I for one will be hoping that he continues on the upward trajectory of Utd, as he continues to learn what it takes to achieve as a Utd manager.
16 May 2026 13:49:26
I'm in total agreement, JR.
I'm not expectant, and I think the odds are against him. But I am very hopeful.
There are a lot of questions Carrick has to answer, and there are gaps in his CV.
But he has answered every question asked of him so far.
He can only answer the questions as they arise, and so far he has done that.
I have doubts, but he has already answered some of those doubts.
I don't see any other obvious stand out contenders.
If Carrick can consolidate 3rd next season, and get closer to the top 2, and do well in the cups, I would see that as good progression.
If he doesn't succeed, and we slip away, and the football is uninspiring, then they will sack him, simple as that.
I will remain hopeful until there is damning evidence to the contrary. At this point, I see no evidence to the contrary, and I see more green flags than red.
16 May 2026 15:45:31
Let's be honest, the odds are against any and every manager we could appoint.
We are a massive club that has fallen well off the pace, and we have a fan base with expectations far beyond what any manager can realistically achieve, especially with our current squad.
For any manager to be a success at our club will take the stars aligning.
We will need to buy and sell the right players at the right time for the right amount of money. That probably means another 10 players leaving at least, and another 10 coming in to replace them just to have a squad capable of challenging for the biggest honours on all fronts. While, at the same time, we will need 80% of our current young squad to step up and actually reach their full potential.
While, if we are honest, any new manager will have a limited say on transfers, and young players reaching their potential is far more down to what they do than to the manager.
On top of all that, you need the opposition to present you with the chances needed, and a big old slice of luck in terms of cup draws, fixture lists and injuries.
The main reason we have failed over the past decade is because we have been expecting too much from the manager; we expect another Sir Alex.
Someone who can do everything and solve everything by themselves. Yet we forget that Sir Alex wasn't always that man; he grew into the greatest manager with us. But we are expecting someone to come and immediately be what it took Sir Alex 15 years to become.
Every single managerial candidate has issues that, we can argue, make them a poor (or lacking) choice.
Every single candidate would need to grow into the role, and to be successful they will need the right team and structure around them.
Carrick isn't the sexy choice, but that doesn't mean he is the wrong one. People aren't excited by him, but maybe that's a good thing. A new manager that excites also raises expectations, probably beyond what is achievable, which is ultimately setting us up for failure.
If we are completely honest, a good season next year probably means finishing in the top 5, playing better, more consistent football, and a couple of good cup runs (particularly in Europe). Literally, if we finish 4th, make the FA Cup semis and the UCL quarter-finals, while playing better football, then that is progress.
16 May 2026 16:02:41
I think Carrick is the shrewd choice. And he, frankly, made it impossible not to give him the job. He’s conducted himself perfectly, and got incredible results out of a squad we have all said is not good enough for years.
A squad many blamed for Amorim’s awful stint in charge. Imagine what he can do with better players!
He’s not flashy, he’s not loud, but he’s effective and gets on with it. And wins. Much like his playing career.
16 May 2026 18:56:09
Carrick on a 2-year deal is actually a sensible choice by the club. He's come in, and results-wise we have done well, we have more points on the board than any other team since he came in, and we've beaten 7 of the top 10 teams in that time.
It gives us time to evaluate him properly and see what he's made of. In 2 years' time, there might be other managers, such as Enrique, that become available.
If it doesn't work out, we've not got to pay a long contract out.
16 May 2026 20:35:37
It doesn't look like they even interviewed anyone else. They should have done that, so it at least looks like they chose Carrick over some people.
They should have given him a 3 year deal, but with a cheap clause to terminate after 1 year (end of season) or 2 years (end of season) that they keep quiet.
This way he'd be publicly backed, but with offramps for the club. If he continues to do well, they can renegotiate that out.
16 May 2026 23:24:12
Happy far far far too too realistic. Please don't post unless it's over the top reactionary stuff. 😜
16 May 2026 04:58:34
Still a possibility that Spurs get relegated and Pool don't qualify for CL. Fingers. 🤞
{Ed077's Note - Well, math does math there 🤣
16 May 2026 11:28:00
Liverpool could technically finish 7th Ed, but its highy unlikely given who Brighton and Bournemouth have to play.
It's easy to forget how much everyone thought Liverpol would dominate this year. They won the league and seemed to have bought well, how wrong we were. Long may it continue
16 May 2026 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - RR has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool and the Hardest Part: Staying on Top
15 May 2026 15:53:24
So Club has confirmed De Ligt has undergone back surgery and will miss the start of the season.
Do the club bite the bullet and sign an experienced centre back in the summer, or rely on Maguire and Martinez to stay fit and hope Yoro and Heaven keep progressing?
15 May 2026 16:39:02
Move Martinez on, and ideally get Mvdv (who, although a little clumsy with the ball sometimes, with pace and height would complement Maguire very well) imo. Or another CB with pace, height and aggression. I like Romero too, as he's got a nasty streak & character, but he looks a typical Atletico Madrid purchase.
15 May 2026 18:05:25
I like Romero too, but I am not sure if he is what we need in terms of being a calm, good influence on the youngsters.
15 May 2026 19:01:48
I'm sorry, Supasub, and Salford, but I can't agree on either van de Ven or Romero. Neither is good enough. I'm sure others will agree, there's a reason Spurs are in the relegation zone.
15 May 2026 23:20:37
Agree to get rid of both MdL and Martinez, and recycle with quality CBs, of which the ones at Spurs are not.
Senesi is available on a free, and is about to secure European football with Bournemouth. That is a no brainer for me, as it doesn't break the bank or interfere with development of Heaven/Yoro. I have Heaven as the first name on defensive teamsheet.
16 May 2026 15:50:57
I don't think MvdV is the answer. He has missed 20 matches for Spurs over the past two seasons, spending a total of 3 months out with injuries.
He is a good player, but injury-prone, and his style of play (relying on his sprint speed) is only likely to see him get more injuries as he gets older.
If he loses a yard or two of pace due to those injuries, then you have the question of whether he has the ability to adapt his game or not.
16 May 2026 21:17:05
Will any club buy a player who may never play again?
I regret to say this is quite possibly a liability we're going to have to live with until the end of his contract. But, take heart, at least the current management team is unlikely to do a Phil Jones and reward him for his constant injuries with an extension.
15 May 2026 14:03:02
2 year contract for Carrick with the option to extend. Seems like a wise move to me. Shows they have faith in him but aren’t tying themselves into a long deal and hefty pay off if it goes wrong.
15 May 2026 18:39:11
Not seeing this reported anywhere.
15 May 2026 19:33:49
Article on the BBC by Simon Stone. Not official, but not far away by the looks of it.
15 May 2026 19:34:03
Carrick 2 year deal? BBC article
16 May 2026 07:12:20
I've seen these 'rumours' on Sky too, but nothing is confirmed yet.
16 May 2026 09:55:57
I see it, Tim. When Whitwell and Andy Mitten are saying it, it's usually true. Best of luck to him. He's gonna need it.
15 May 2026 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - SaintGGsy has posted a new article entitled, Saints, the EFL, and the spying fallout
15 May 2026 11:30:49
I'm struggling to be outraged over this, I really don't see why it is such a big deal. Spying on your opponents is cheap and unsportsmanlike, but kicking them out, really? Just me?
15 May 2026 12:50:54
100% agree, AJH, all seems a bit dramatic to me.
15 May 2026 13:00:08
It's cheating and against the rules.
They should be kicked out imo.
Do you think it's ok to break the rules to gain unfair advantages?
Understanding your opponents' tactics and set-up for a semi-final, and getting that info against the rules, is outrageous.
You 2 have had plenty to say about City breaking rules financially.
What's the difference?
Cheating is cheating and they should be held accountable.
Maybe we shouldn't ban a player who fails a drug test because he only had a few lines on a night out.
If you cheat, you should not be allowed to compete.
Hiding in the bushes, videoing a training session, is a really low act, and against the rules and spirit of the competition.
Knackers.
15 May 2026 14:24:42
Yeah, strange stuff. I mean, have they not seen enough throughout the season?
All depends on what the EFL do. Leeds were the last ones to do it, and, if my memory serves me correct, they did bring in some new rules completely banning it. I'm not sure what the repercussions will be.
Other things, like you mention, Ken, have defined penalties for doing such things, but I'm not sure this has.
I had a quick Google, and Canada did it in the Olympics. They received a 6 point penalty, and coaches were banned for a year. So I suppose they might get kicked out.
Tough one for the EFL, really.
15 May 2026 15:21:05
Tell us how you really feel, Ken. It wasn't James Bond, was it? It was a guy behind a tree with a mobile phone. To compare that to City's 115 charges is a tad dramatic.
I'm not denying it was against the rules, I'm just bemused that they might get kicked out when sanctions have never been clarified.
As I say, I struggle to be outraged by a guy with a mobile.
15 May 2026 16:02:39
Get off your high horse, Ken. He walked across a golf course that's open to the public. They've hardly made it difficult for people to watch their sessions. As AJH says, it's against the spirit of the game, it's a low blow, but kicking them out of the final? Behave yourself.
Comparing this to City and drug cheats is pretty desperate to try and get some moral high ground.
15 May 2026 17:14:16
It's not comparable to City in straight terms, but it's part of a wider, important issue. Clubs are seeking illegal ways to gain an advantage. The on-field example is the current climate of players in the box tugging and holding
It's all cheating.
No, it's not Ok to win at all costs
It's no example to set impressionable kids, and it's about time the football authorities came down hard on all forms of illegality and cheating.
15 May 2026 19:55:42
Its not the same offence as city but its cheating and against the rules.
So what your saying is is ok to break some red line defined rules but not others.
Its not high horse its having standards. Its not ok to cheat. Stick 2 fingers up to the rules and ignore them. Its clearly defined there is no grey area.
Its not ok to dive its not ok to spy on other teams training sessions its not ok to cheat the financial rules.
Your right angel the efl banned it and when bringing that in never wrote a consequence for future breaches so they have got themselves into a bit if a strange situation.
The bottom line is that its cheating and against the rules.
That's not ok. It should be dealt with as severely as possible imo.
To me while its a different offence winning the play offs is worth over 100m and you cannot be permitted any leniency for cheating to win.
If and that's the big question as I don't know, that was a Southampton employee and or been sent by the coaching team then imo they should be thrown out.
If it was a random person with no links to the club or was acting without the knowledge of the club then that represents a totally different set of circumstances.
In short if it was planned by the club and someone acting on behalf and instruction of the club then i'd throw them out.
But if it was someone unconnected filming unilaterally then its different.
Ports its not at all high horse. You and AJH have a greater tolerance for cheating than I do in this regard.
I'm not sure where you draw you're lines.
Which rules are ok to break?
I don't believe either of you would think its ok for the coach or club to send someone to record their opponents training session knowing its written into the rules as a complete ban.
So you know its an offence but you think its only a minor breach? I completely disagree.
On top of the rule breaking their is potentially a litany of legal issues outside of the rules of the sporting body.
Because we all have different opinions, rules are made, that everybody has to abide by or face the consequences.
In this case there is no defined consequences and that's where opinions will differ.
Id have a zero tolerance on this because I think its so morally wrong and against the spirit of the game and the rewards for winning are so huge that the integrity of all competitors must be without question. (Im the same for deliberate fouls in games even if its even a simple pull back to stop a breakaway attack. That should be a straight red for me as its deliberate premeditated cheating)
Its against the rules and brings them and the game into disrepute imo if they are guilty.
If you ever had IP taken from you in these set of circumstances i'm sure you would think differently. i'd imagine those up in Middlesbrough will have different opinions to yours and those down south will think like you.
15 May 2026 23:22:30
I wouldn't say doing a few lines before a game is cheating... It would be detrimental to the performance if anything. What a silly example.
16 May 2026 09:34:25
210 mins of football, 40 shots, 1 goal, but Ken thinks a lad behind a tree with a Nokia is the reason Middlesbrough lost and is comparable to City's 115 charges. 😂 Southampton absolutely should get a punishment, and zero tolerance can be shown, but the punishment must fit the crime. Kicked out is ridiculous imo. As Jimbob says, no physical advantage has been gained through drugs, that's cheating.
How much more did Southampton gain from this that they wouldn't have known already about Middlesbrough? If he broke into the grounds, if this was something they have been doing all season across teams, then we have a discussion.
Give them the biggest fine in the history of football, but kicking them out, essentially blaming that for the loss, is ridiculous imo.
16 May 2026 09:57:28
Good posts, Ports. You're right. It's not comparable.
16 May 2026 11:04:51
Ports, I don't necessarily think it's the reason they lost nor did I say that. I'm not sure anybody is saying that, as it's impossible to determine.
You think it's ok to break the rules; I don't. You condone cheating, I don't.
You don't think the rules need to be adhered to. You also want to give them the biggest fine in history; why?
Which rules do you think are ok to break? Should we just do away with those particular rules?
You don't feel that rule is important so it's ok to break. So where do you draw your lines? It's ok to cheat if you think the rule is silly, is that what you think?
Should a person half a pint over the legal drinking limit be treated with more leniency than someone 3 pints over the limit? No, imo.
It's a red line rule; no point having them if you don't hold members accountable for breaking them.
Have you ever had IP stolen from you in similar circumstances?
As I said above, it's a different offence than City's, but it's a redline rule; if you cross it there, imo, there should be the harshest of penalties.
I'd be happy enough to see them give, to give all their EPL money to their opponents. I feel that would see them relegated, and see their costs spiral without the income and cash flow to compete.
Absolute tramps for cheating in this way, and the integrity of the competition is at stake. If you think it's OK to cheat just a little bit, then that's your opinion; I don't agree.
I'd say you'd be the type of golfer that walks into the bushes, drops a ball out of your pocket, and calls out to your playing partners "found it" because it's ok to cheat just a little; it's done no harm.
imo it's attitudes like yours that have the game in the state it's in, with coaches, players, and fans showing little or no integrity much of the time. Turning a blind eye or showing leniency for rule breaking is not an option, in my opinion.
16 May 2026 11:44:01
Amazing how you've managed to invent an entire belief system for me instead of responding to what I actually said.
At no point did I say cheating is "ok, " nor did I say rules shouldn't apply. Feel free to point out exactly where I said that. You keep repeating "you condone cheating" as if saying it enough times makes it true, but you haven't actually quoted a single thing I said.
There's also a massive difference between saying "a punishment should be proportionate" and saying "rules don't matter." Adults usually understand that nuance.
Your whole argument seems to rely on pretending every breach is identical regardless of context, impact, intent, or scale. By that logic, someone being marginally over a speed limit should be treated exactly the same as someone street racing through a school zone.
Thankfully, most sane systems don't work that way.
And the golfer analogy is genuinely embarrassing. You've gone from discussing football regulations to building fantasy scenarios about me cheating in bushes because I disagree with your preferred punishment. That's not an argument; it's just melodrama.
You also keep calling it a "red line rule" as though repeating the phrase gives you moral authority. Fine — rules were allegedly broken. Nobody disputed that. The discussion is about proportional consequences, not whether rules exist.
So again: where exactly did I say cheating is acceptable? Quote it directly instead of arguing with positions you invented for me.
16 May 2026 12:55:48
Exactly where did I say that they won the game because of their actions, Ports?
Bit melodramatic that. Tut tut.
16 May 2026 13:01:35
Jeepers, guys, calm down! Why does every post on here end up becoming personal?
It's ferkin tiresome beyond belief!
16 May 2026 13:21:46
Didn't say you said that did I Ken? You get your reading skills from our German friend?
16 May 2026 14:03:49
But I think you dod, Ports.
210 mins of football, 40 shots, 1 goal, but Ken thinks a lad behind a tree with a Nokia is the reason Middlesbrough lost and is comparable to City's 115 charges.
I did not say either. Tut tut.
16 May 2026 19:14:55
Tiring isn't it, Ports.
There is a common denominator, Keefy, and it isn't Maze and his many names.
14 May 2026 20:52:26
In many ways the U18s played like the senior team. Only showed urgency when they went behind. Real shame they didn't go for it from the start. Lost opportunity.
15 May 2026 07:39:34
Unfortunately, Salford, I had the same impression. I was disappointed to see that.
14 May 2026 19:05:00
Watching the FA Youth Cup Final. Anybody else? Enough to have live chat open?
14 May 2026 19:43:44
Yes, not sure about the ref, booking Gabriel like that. 1 all.
14 May 2026 20:06:18
Couple of light yellows.
14 May 2026 20:14:47
Standard of refereeing is poor.
14 May 2026 20:18:52
Uninspiring so far. City are dominating and are very quick on the break. Should be ahead. Our midfield is weak, and our keeper is poor.
14 May 2026 20:24:55
Standard of not arguing is impressive.
14 May 2026 20:25:52
Our support is better.
14 May 2026 20:30:22
Getting schooled atm.
14 May 2026 20:32:17
Watching on my phone on a train, it's been pretty dire. If JJ is the next big thing, then we are struggling, he's really not contributing. In the last final, Garnacho took it by the scruff of the neck. It all seems a bit safe tonight.
14 May 2026 20:35:15
No central midfield control at all, playing counter attack like the first team, but no bite at all on the break. Not using Gabriel.
14 May 2026 20:36:03
Keeper is poor 😳..... What game are you watching. He's the reason Utd aren't losing.
14 May 2026 20:45:29
2-1 City, tbh, they are far better, we are playing like the first team, counter but without any attack. Best get used to it.
14 May 2026 20:47:12
Of course, JJ is only 15!
14 May 2026 20:48:53
Nick, he doesn't dominate his area. I know he's a kid, but still a lot to learn.
The reason we were level, (not now as I write), is because City were wasteful. Their right winger had our left back on toast all night, and the centre backs didn't help him out much.
14 May 2026 20:53:37
Forget the result, which ones are stepping up to the first team?
14 May 2026 20:53:44
Very reminiscent of the first team, except it was counter without the attack. This looked like our first team tactics. Sad, really. We have players who can play, but the tactics looked old and antiquated. Yes, it's the youth, but Fletcher seems to have the same tactical nous as our temp manager. Good night.
15 May 2026 00:37:03
Was Michael Carrick managing? 😂
15 May 2026 06:55:41
Angel
He was watching, and, as you know, managers try to have the same style of play through all teams. Who knows, but the tactics were the same as what we have seen from Carrick.
15 May 2026 07:43:07
Jimbo, they had a bad day at the office. I saw no evidence that any of them are even nearly ready to step up.
15 May 2026 09:54:46
Hopefully, we get a manager that will give them a chance to step up and play expressive football, like they have done all season.
15 May 2026 11:33:18
If they play 200 min 1st team football between the lot of them next season, I'll be surprised.
16 May 2026 09:59:47
Who knows. Well, you don't, Red man, that's for sure.
Carrick has been in charge for like 15 games or something, and now we are saying it's his coaching style/ideas implemented across the club.
Jesus Christ, that is some stretching going on. But anything to blame him, I guess.
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