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23 Jun 2026 23:01:26
Watching England football was so so boring. No creative spark of genius and it kind of emphasises too how lucky Utd have been to have Bruno playing for us. If anything happens to him we will be in trouble.
24 Jun 2026 02:13:18
Made me think of many United games in the EPL, with teams defending against us in a low block and basically contributing nothing to entertain. England were lucky not to concede a penalty at the end. Rashford and Saka at least bought a bit of a spark, unlike Gordon and Madueke.
24 Jun 2026 02:53:04
It's England. Enough said.
22 Jun 2026 14:09:29
Think we are looking at options for midfield, it helps with our buying players. If West Ham get too greedy we say fine and move on. Lm sure we have a figure and wobt go beyond it, as mentioned we need to buy other players too.
22 Jun 2026 15:54:01
Ummmm, ok, thank you for sharing. :)
22 Jun 2026 16:02:55
Redcon, you post regularly, and I love your passion, but do you read the posts? You seem to post a comment when there is already a thread underway. Why not add to what is already there?
23 Jun 2026 17:57:44
Sorry.
23 Jun 2026 18:26:35
No biggie, mate, just thought it would be good for you to join the wider conversations.
21 Jun 2026 19:58:12
Seems Bergvall is seeking a move this summer. Decent box to box option.
I do have a sneaky feeling that Tchouemani will be the player we’re going for in the background.
21 Jun 2026 22:43:06
Am sure that chew my nanny is someone the club would love to sign. Would be the ideal defensive No 6. It would be a fantastic addition.
There is talk that Madrid may be prepared to let him go to help fund their spending spree this summer under Mourinho.
Also, following the major bust up between him and Valverde, it seems likely one of them will have to leave, maybe he is the chosen one!
Whatever, if he and Fernandes were to be signed that would be a fantastic summer and give us excellent midfield options.
22 Jun 2026 10:17:40
I don't think we'll sign a 3rd midfielder, and if we do I don't think they'll be the three of Ederson, Tchouemeni and Fernandes.
Even with Casemiro going and possibly Ugarte too, you'd be essentially signing three new players that would all want to play. Now, I know we have more games, injuries will happen, etc., but with Mainoo too, you'd have four lads itching to start.
This isn't the natural evolution of a squad either. If you sign Tchouemeni, he starts. Fernandes isn't signing to play second fiddle to him, and Ederson is then 4th choice with very limited game time.
That would absolutely solve the midfield problem, but I think we should be looking at the academy for the 4th choice midfielder, or even a player with a different profile than that of £70,000,000£80,000,000 player that will spend the majority of time on the bench.
Money is also finite. We have full back issues and need a winger and a striker. With Ederson done, I don't think the answer to the midfield conundrum is Tchouemeni and Fernandes.
22 Jun 2026 12:36:17
Agree, Mumbles. He is not what we need.
22 Jun 2026 14:05:56
I've no idea, but I have no desire to chew my nanny.
22 Jun 2026 16:33:47
Mumbles, maybe so, but chew my nanny and Fernandes are different types of players.
Fernandes is very press resistant and excellent at progressing the ball forward. While he is also good at getting his foot in and winning the ball back, he will probably be playing more as a No 8.
CMN is very much a defensive midfielder. He excels at that. Yes, he will be playing most of the time, but with increased games, injuries, suspensions and even loss of form, I think we need 5 players to adequately cover the midfield.
We have, most would agree, been lacking a quality midfield for many years. A quality midfield can improve your forward line without buying new forwards, through increased control of the ball and improved chance creation.
Additionally, it can improve your defence without new defenders by offering increased protection.
I do believe to be strong in this area we need 5 quality players to choose from, and just as we concentrated on forwards last summer, then this summer should be fully committed to this area.
Whilst, if (big if) we got those 3 players, it would be a spend of about £180,000,000. There should still be funds for other areas.
Just my view of course, but Bruno/Kobbie covering the No 10 position, Fernandes/Ederson as No 8s (both could play as 6s), and then Tchouameni principally covering No 6. This would give us plenty of options.
Completely different matter, the club have announced the purchase of additional land needed towards the new stadium build.
22 Jun 2026 17:09:53
I get that Iwotb, but I see it as signing 3 players to effectively fill one midfield spot, as Mainoo will be occupying the other one. Of course, injuries, form, suspensions will play a part, and I'm not suggesting we shouldn't have competition in midfield.
I just think doing it all in one window, signing players that will all want/expect to start, isn't a great recipe for success.
If Carrick fails to rotate or give minutes, the harmony could be gone quite quickly.
Emerson is in, and it looks like Fernandes is next. I think a younger player that is happy to deputize and grow with minutes should be the way forward.
Tchouemeni, Ederson and Fernandes is overkill considering the needs of the squad. Not particularly a bad problem to have, but I don't think those 3 are needed.
22 Jun 2026 17:33:39
Personally, I think that 3 midfielders is a must. Last season we were completely reliant on Casemiro and Mainoo once Carrick took over. Cas is gone and Ugarte will be following him. That leaves us with 1 established centre mid.
Next season, we could be playing double the amount of games if we compete in all competitions. We could rely on Mount, but his injury record makes it a risk and he isn't really a midfielder.
None of the academy lads seem like they're ready to play at this level either.
There should be competition for starting positions. That's something our squad has been seriously lacking. If we brought in 3 mids, they'd all get game time. However, they'll have to fight to start in big games. The way things should be.
22 Jun 2026 19:31:33
This is Man Utd. You should have 15/16 lads all itching to start, Mumbles. Our squad depth in terms of quality is dreadful right now.
And, as things stand, we have an unknown in Ederson (who still hasn't officially signed by the way), Ugarte who is dross, and Mainoo for midfield.
22 Jun 2026 19:51:28
I agree we need 3 midfielders, Eric, just not those 3 for the prices they'd cost. Unless the budget is there to fix the full back positions, get a winger and a striker, then I still stand by my point. The profile of those 3 midfielders mentioned isn't the right balance.
22 Jun 2026 22:51:13
I don't see us buying 3 mids... Reckon one will be a promotion or not at all. Tchouemeni would be ace, but I can't think of many Real players being let go at that age. More likely when they're crocked or looking for a final bumper pay day (we've fallen for that one a few times from them). He's a few rungs too high for us atm, in my view.
Also, I wonder if the fact that City haven't as yet managed to sign Anderson could be what's causing us some pause on whatever our next deal might be. It would be a shame for City to walk away for whatever reason, but we've already spunked the dosh on the next player along...
22 Jun 2026 23:43:30
Fair enough, Mumbles, pal. Each to their own.
However, I fundamentally disagree with you. Midfield has to be the absolute priority this summer, pretty much everything else should be secondary, and no concessions should be made.
If, unexpectedly, Tchouameni should become available, then I believe it would represent one of those rare, unprepared-for opportunities which you must go for, as they can prove so significant.
Fairly sure there would still be some funds for other players. I do not think for a minute that we will buy 7 or 8 new players. Can't see it being more than 4 or 5; any more, and there will be difficulties integrating them.
Anyway, we will know all the answers by 31st August. Hope it will be a bit like Xmas and we all get what we want!
23 Jun 2026 21:25:59
We cannot possibly go into a Champions League campaign without a ball-winning midfielder.
Imagine going away to PSG/Madrid etc. with a midfield of Mainoo and someone like Alex Scott. We wouldn't touch the ball.
Tchouameni, please.
21 Jun 2026 00:25:37
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20 Jun 2026 23:53:58
Market forces, i.e., supply and demand, determine transfer prices. Utd will have a maximum figure they are prepared to pay for any player.
I saw both Fernandez and Somerville play against Utd and was impressed by both. I think they would be a significant improvement on what we have, and both with their peak years ahead of them.
Are they worth the big fees? Impossible to say.
What really matters is what Carrick, Wilcox and the coaching staff think.
Carrick knows he will be under the microscope as manager. If he has the confidence in Fernandez to but him then (given his experience of playing in midfield at the very highest level) I think we should trust his choice.
21 Jun 2026 10:51:49
For me personally, Fernandes is 100% a player I think we should be targeting.
Somerville, though, I'm not convinced is someone we should be considering for anything above 35m max.
At best, he'd be a slightly different option off the bench. He's great at beating his man, but he doesn't know what to do once he does beat them. His decision making is average at best, but, more often than not, is terrible. He played the whole season on the LW for West Ham and managed 5 goals and 2 assists. Dorgu played as a LW player for 9 games and managed 4 goals and 4 assists (against some of the best teams in the league as well).
Somerville goes head down, beats the man and smashes a shot (normally either off target, straight at the keeper, or into the CB who's right in front of him, but he didn't lift his head up to see).
For a club like ours, he's a guy you bring on for the last 10-15 minutes against tired legs in the hope that he grabs a goal. But, every time he would start for us, the fans would be crying out for him to be hooked at halftime. He's a similar player to Garnacho, but less talented, and a few years older.
21 Jun 2026 13:41:31
Hard to say on Summerville. He looked really good for a half on the right for the Dutch v Sweden. Beautiful footwork to set up the first, an uncomplicated assist to set up Gakpo, and a really good shot for his goal.
He has the talent. He's been playing in a poor team. Maybe he would shine in the right environment. Does he have any defensive qualities? Is he better than Amad?
21 Jun 2026 13:50:20
Supply and demand may determine the price a club wants. United, having a price they are willing to pay, is the club's internal decision, guided by how much money is to be made available. Negotiation is important, but there will be a price a club wants; for example, Anderson & City. The price has to deliver benefit. If City win the next two leagues with Anderson, then paying the price will likely have been worth it.
If we want to maintain third or finish higher, the highest quality player has to be bought. Unless they find a player who will only come to us, then having a maximum price could see us move to second, third, or fourth choice, and likely a subsequent drop in quality.
It depends on what the club's aims are.
21 Jun 2026 15:50:17
Summerville looks a strange signing, but perhaps the idea is to have him as cover for both wing positions and use Mbeumo and Cunha as alternatives to Sesko?
21 Jun 2026 17:48:19
Summerville looked pretty good in the half he played the other night. The talent is there, that's for sure, and the price has probably now gone up, but you have to see more than that, because we're not in a position for more potentials.
21 Jun 2026 20:19:58
I don't think we sign an attacking player this summer unless there are some outs, unless maybe striker. I really think JJ will be part of the squad, we already have Cunha, Mbeumo, Dorgu, Mount (when he's fit), Bruno, Zirkzee and Rashford (he's back but for how long).
That's 8 players for 3 positions. I think we will be concentrating on some CMs, lb and CB. I'd also say we have Obi and young Rooney who will break through as proper 1st team players this season.
21 Jun 2026 20:56:28
I love your optimism, Danny, but from what I've seen, JJ is a long way from being ready. He may join the squad, but I don't see him getting a lot of game time. I'm not convinced Obi is good enough, and there's no way Rooney is getting in the first team next season.
22 Jun 2026 06:46:33
It would be a mistake not to add a striker. In the days when we were good, we had 4. Now we have just one central striker.
With AJH, I'm not convinced Obi is going to make it; far too early for Rooney. JJ will likely get a cup sub appearance.
We need a central striker who can run in behind. Kroupi looked the part.
22 Jun 2026 09:11:29
I agree we need a top striker. I would sign Lewandowski.
Free transfer so wages shld not be a prob.
Plus I can't see any other top UK team wanting him, and he surely would like to play in our league.
He will give Sesko and our other younger strikers the benefit of his huge experience.
22 Jun 2026 10:57:58
To be fair, Red Man, we played with two strikers back then.
Now that everyone is playing one up top, and with the other attacking options we have that can fill in as a striker, I don't see the immediate need for one when there are so many other areas of the pitch that need more immediate attention.
If there's money left over, all well and good.
I certainly wouldn't be averse to the likes of Lewandowski coming in.
22 Jun 2026 17:59:36
Nou,
One striker for the whole season, that's mad to me. Four for two positions, ok, but only one for one.
Striker needs immediate attention for me.
22 Jun 2026 22:53:53
I've always thought Somerville looked pretty useful whenever I've seen him. Very skilful and direct, although maybe not as much end product as needed. Still, a proper winger that can play on both sides is always welcome in a Utd side, I reckon.
20 Jun 2026 15:17:58
Does anyone else think that the new WC format is simply too much football in a tournament that goes on too long? I need a water break, or, since I'm generally watching free in Spanish, una pausa de hidratacion.
20 Jun 2026 23:37:15
Too much hydration = too many trips to the WC.
21 Jun 2026 00:09:02
It's been pretty entertaining so far for me. Some really good quality on show. Although I agree, there's probably too many teams; basically, winning 1 game in the groups ensures you make it to the knockouts. Doesn't feel right to me.
21 Jun 2026 00:23:53
Nicely done, Eric.
21 Jun 2026 10:55:39
Let's not kid ourselves. They aren't "hydration" breaks, they are adorable breaks.
This isn't a tournament played in a desert like Qatar, it's in the US, Mexico and Canada.
The conditions typically aren't really anything more than you'd get throughout the season playing in Spain or Italy.
21 Jun 2026 13:37:02
It's in the USA, so hydration breaks will give plenty of time for a "message from our sponsor" adverts. They are used to breaks in Gridiron, this looks so obviously manufactured. Perhaps when Shappy said "adorable" he meant advert. If so, my thoughts as well.
21 Jun 2026 13:46:21
Shappy, I guess you have never spent a summer in the Southern US. The humidity is what kills you. Far more debilitating than the dry heat of Spain.
23 Jun 2026 19:12:09
Newname, there are 16 host cities. Do you think they need "hydration" breaks in Vancouver or Seattle?
Of the 11 host cities in the US, only Miami, Houston, and Atlanta can get pretty humid.
All cities our club have been to and played pre-season friendlies in, I might add.
At the end of the day, did they need "hydration" breaks when the US hosted the World Cup in 1994?
No, they didn't, and I'd daresay that the players are fitter now than they were then.
20 Jun 2026 07:39:01
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19 Jun 2026 12:20:27.
West Ham looking for a fee for Fernandez. Surprised these guys don't have clauses in their contracts if the club are relegated. Can't see us paying the £85 /€100 being quoted. Looks like we are looking at a few options. Very important we get this right, whoever we sign.
19 Jun 2026 13:00:40
He's a promising player, but nowhere near an £85m one. Ed001 made a good point when he mentioned how Fernandez has a tendency to go missing when things aren't going well. If a club is willing to pay what West Ham are looking for, good luck to them, if not they'll have to lower the valuation or deal with an unhappy player.
19 Jun 2026 15:14:01
We need to identify the right players and then get them in. Stop worrying about money. The right players are worth 3 of the wrong players. Dropping down and down the pecking order does not get us to winning the league.
Anderson for 110 plus add-ons could look a very astute deal by the end of the World Cup, BTW.
He was very good in the opening game.
Utd will negotiate, and the press will amp everything up. I want us to minimise cost, but we must get good players in. We cannot win with 6th choice players.
19 Jun 2026 15:47:54
We need to worry about money because, for most of the last decade, the club has been overpaying transfer fees and wages. The new directors know that a squad can't be built like that. £85m for a player that has been relegated in two consecutive seasons is nonsense.
Over £100m for Anderson is ridiculous.
Liverpool went for the money-is-no-object strategy last summer. How did that work out for them?
19 Jun 2026 15:57:17
So, because Liverpool went for that strategy last season and it failed, no one does that anymore? That's a bit of a ridiculous statement.
If a player is identified, and he wants to come, it's about paying what that player's price is, be it 10 million or 200 million; otherwise, don't buy.
I could not care less what we pay for a player. The club don't worry about how much I have to fork out for games, why should I worry about them....
19 Jun 2026 16:19:32
Liverpool were derailed by a tragedy right at the start. That totally threw them mentally. Then the Isaak saga, and he was out for virtually the whole season. Plus, the manager seemed incapable of changing things.
I fully expect them to have a really good season. One where last season's new signings start to come good.
19 Jun 2026 17:25:36
Winning teams spend money. You cannot cost cut your way to the title. Utd is wasting money left, right and center on stupid decisions.
One thing not up for debate is that any manager, and any formation, needs top quality center midfielders.
So we need to identify who these are (we needed 3 coming into the summer), and then we spend the money required to get our targets.
19 Jun 2026 17:52:44
Our no1 target chose City.
Nobody knows who our targets are, really.
You can't believe almost all you read or hear.
I know we won't have the ideal squad, but I know we will have a better one on paper, anyway.
None of you had us down for 3rd last season. None of you had us down for 3rd when Carrick stated.
It's been years since City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea, Spurs plus (I think nearly 50% of the teams have a new coach/manager) all started the season with a new manager.
Lots of significant player departures too.
We might buy very well, or some signings might flop.
I think they will do their best to get the best deals done. As usual, 90% on here will disapprove and will know exactly what will happen.
The same 90% who got it wrong last year. 😂
It's frustrating, but it's a waiting game. DB Ederson might come in, surprise a few and be excellent. He might be the next Kleberson. Who knows?
19 Jun 2026 17:55:13
Winning teams spend money wisely.
Since Fergie retired, United have spent a lot of money on players and wages. But they have not been a "winning" team.
Selling clubs have seen us as an easy mark. They have been inflating prices because they know we were willing to pay more.
Players have rinsed us for wages too.
The new directors have stated that they will be doing things differently. Spending £85m on Fernandez would be going back to wasting money. He is a good player, but he is nowhere near an £85m one.
19 Jun 2026 19:28:12
Says you, Danny. Rumours are that Man Utd and Real and possibly PSG are interested in him. In today's market of midfielders, many of the best go for 100-120m. So is 85 really that crazy? If the club rate him that much, let them work.
I am only commenting that our fans need to stop with the celebrating us pulling out because costs are too high. The club needs to choose the right players, and then we go get them. I would love nothing more than an unknown player from Germany becoming our new superstar midfielder. I also agree the press is full of rumours (many of which the club encourages).
The club will negotiate hard. They will release rumours of other options to apply pressure. It looks like we lost out to City on Anderson, and the club saved face by saying he is too expensive.
But we can't win by only buying second and third tier players.
First choice CM is a massive hole to fill. Casemiro was both good and bad last year. Ugarte really struggled (and hopefully goes). We have 1 agreed - he could be great, but I think most are hoping for two more first team ready players. Then 4 players will compete with each other; with 2 games a week, they will play plenty. Maybe Ugarte stays. I would be worried. Maybe Mount will be 1 of the 4CM - I would be worried because of his fitness record.
Bottom line, we can't go and spend 45m on 3 midfielders and think we will compete with everyone in the EPL, unless our scouts are geniuses beyond what we have seen so far. Cunha and Mbeumo were not exactly hidden from view, or cheap.
19 Jun 2026 20:02:41
£85m is more than double what West Ham bought him for last year.
Honestly, what has he done this season to convince anyone that he's worth twice as much?
West Ham, if the reports are accurate, are taking the piss.
They are a relegated side, trying to strong-arm prospective buyers into gifting them a huge profit.
I can guarantee that Real and PSG won't offer anything close to £85m.
At that price, he can play in the Championship for a year.
20 Jun 2026 00:49:52
By all accounts, there is potential competition for Fernandez's signature. Like any asset, that will tend to push the price up. In the end, the fair price is what the highest bidder is willing to pay. Like any auction, suitors will have drawn a line in the sand. Someone's going to buy him, though, because West Ham need to sell.
20 Jun 2026 04:38:48
Why does it matter how much he was last year, that's a crazy statement. If the club identified him and want him, and Carrick wants him, pay what it takes and move on to the next, or just moan at the end of the transfer window that we bought no one.
Someone is worth what someone else wants to pay. That's all that matters, not if he was 50 quid last year.
20 Jun 2026 09:38:32
I agree with you, Danny. One thing I'll never understand in football transfers is why some people act as if a club should simply pay whatever fee the selling club asks for.
If a club values a player at £40m and the selling club wants £70m, why would they just hand over the extra £30m? That's not ambition, that's poor negotiation.
Every transfer is a negotiation. The selling club wants the highest possible fee. The buying club wants the best possible deal. That's how every market works, whether it's football, business, or buying a house.
Fans often complain that their club is "messing around" or "haggling" when, in reality, they're trying to avoid overpaying.
If the player is worth the asking price to them, they'll pay it. If not, they'll negotiate or walk away.
Nobody walks into a car dealership and voluntarily pays £10,000 more than the sticker price, or an estate agent pays the asking price immediately. Yet somehow some football fans expect clubs to do exactly that in the transfer market.
Paying the quoted fee isn't always a sign of ambition. Sometimes it's just a sign that you've lost the negotiation.
20 Jun 2026 11:23:54
We've had our pants pulled down so many times, paying far too much for players, and then paying silly salaries, meaning it's hard to move them on.
Pogba left for free, and we paid £89M to bring him back with mixed results.
Antony was over £80M, a complete waste 9d money.
Maguire has been solid, but the fee of £80M was far too high given there were other options.
Sancho, £73M, another waste of money.
Hojlund, £64M, whatever are we thinking?
The list goes on and on. It's about time we walked away and stopped getting shafted.
20 Jun 2026 12:53:52
I wouldn't say Maguire has been solid. The last couple of seasons, maybe. Under OGS, he was poor.
20 Jun 2026 13:26:48
Well MH, he certainly splits opinion.
20 Jun 2026 16:25:04
So, we walk away from all deals cos we think everyone is too high because idiots bought Onana, Antony etc, so we base all our purchases on those going forward and think everyone is a waste! Strange attitude.
Why don't we then just work on the assumption Bruno was a great buy!
If we have identified a player, club and manager wants, we're given a price; if we like it, we buy, if not, we move on.
Car comparison is ridiculous because cars have a price on screen, yet to see a player with a price tag on his forehead.
Then there's the MU Tax. That's life.
20 Jun 2026 16:51:33
Ah, so you're under the impression that the comparison was about physically seeing a price tag. Says a lot about you.
20 Jun 2026 21:49:05
We've had poor recruitment in the past, where shirt sales drove who we went for. Now we are supposed to be focusing on winning the league by 2028. To that end, we need to add another few players that are capable of doing that this summer. Last summer was a decent start, but with a change of manager and system, we have a few square pegs in round holes.
Better to utilize some players we have, or youth, to cover gaps.
But to get high standard players to fill priority positions.
What I mean by that is stick with Cunha and Mbeumo covering Sesko. But solve the midfield for the next few years now. Live with CB or FBs, but solve the biggest hole in our team.
If we try to afford too much in one summer, we
risk having second tier players that will never get us to the destination.
Anyway, been a good debate. Long window left yet. 😄
21 Jun 2026 15:52:09
Exactly, Dodgy. Nice change to be able to disagree with someone without it descending into silly insults.
19 Jun 2026 07:39:02
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18 Jun 2026 15:26:55
Nice goal by Rashford, but, let's fact it, he was really in his element. The spaces were wide open as Croatia chased the game. He did what we all know he can all do. But the reality of the EPL is that a contending team playing against a low block rarely if ever gets open spaces like that.
Can he beat a player to the byline? Can he put in a defensive shift? Or is he just a luxury player now? That would be my concern and I think it's why he may be more difficult to sell than we would like.
18 Jun 2026 16:00:38
Can we not just say well done to him. Over analysing everything is for the idiots in the British media.
18 Jun 2026 16:45:23
He scored a good goal. He is what he is. Excellent at some things, poor at the things that just need effort. Nothing has changed in that respect, but I'm glad for him scoring in the World Cup. Any player that played for United at any stage, I like to see do well - just not against us.
18 Jun 2026 22:07:33
Yes, we could just say well done. I did. But, what I'm interested in is what happens if we can't sell him. Another loan or do we just hold on for 2 years?
18 Jun 2026 22:34:19
We sell him. A loan isn't an option. We might well pay him off if we get 35-40M to the tune of up to 10M, I'd imagine. Then he'll accept a lower salary (because it'll be same overall) and he'll go. That's the worst case, most drawn out version of this.
19 Jun 2026 00:58:41
Rashford's due to get £16m a year in salary from us over two years. Let's say he's prepared to cut his pay to £12.5 per year somewhere else. If that club pays a £30m fee over, say, 4 years, they're committed to £20m per year.
Why would it be beneficial for them to take that deal if we think so little of him that we can't stomach a much less substantial commitment?
19 Jun 2026 12:41:31
The quicker he's out of the club, the better.
With him, it's not about ability, it's about desire. For a club he supports, that he has spent his life at, and he can't be bothered to put a shift in, it says everything about him.
If it has to be a loan, then I would take it, but honestly I would take whatever a club is willing to offer to get his wages gone and him gone. Having him hanging around pre season won't be good for the squad.
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