Manchester United Banter Archive January 05 2020

05 Jan 2020 22:57:43
Hey team, I've been reading this website for what seems like a million years but I've never posted! Its really sad to see so much infighting amongst our fan base and what makes it worse as I can see both sides of the argument! It just seems were are floating towards mediocrity and possibly even worse towards obscurity!
I have been thinking about transfers and what we need and I feel maybe we are thinking too highly of our current state going after players like Sancho, ilwhklst I could be wrong I feel that these are the players we should go after who I think are actually attainable;
CB - White from Leeds
DM - Soumare from Lile or Phillips from Leeds
CM - SMS
AM - Grealish and Cantwell (if and when Norwich are relegated)
LW/ RW - Bailey from Leverkusen and Bowen from Hull
F - Hwang from Salzburg
SMS being possibly the hardest to get and maybe Hwang as he might have offers in the summer. Of course this would mean selling off a lot of unwanted players or players that wants out; Pogba, Matic, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Lingard etc and others even the likes of Andreas erc
Thoughts, feelings on this?

05 Jan 2020 23:58:58
Good first post, you should post more!

That is a lot of changes, don't necessarily disagree with any of the ones I've seen, and a few I've not watched enough to comment.

I think Andreas has improved with all the game time he has had. Given the sheer volume of changes needed, I would certainly keep him in the squad.

He can fill in at a pinch in CM and on the wing. As a 10, he is very good at finding space between the lines and receiving the ball, recycling to other forward players in space.

Where he has fallen short is in goal threat and in playing that killer pass. But that could still come. He can shoot, but more recently favours rolling the ball gently into the keepers arms. He is also capable of a good pass assist, but he has struggled to get on the same wavelength or to see the runs.

I would sign a first choice 10 (Maddison please! ) And then sell Jesse and keep Andreas.

Jones has to go. I actually like Rojo, love his commitment, he can play lb, lcb in a three and LCB in a 2. His problem is his injury record. But if he is happy playing a supporting role and deep backup then I would rather keep him than Jones.

Smalling seems to have a value. Looks like he will be sold. He was a better player than many give home credit for, but I have high Hope's for Tuanzebe, so he should go for game time.

We certainly need depth in midfield, more movement, energy, creativity and goals. Scholes and Keane scored goals. Viera, Gerrard, Lampard scored goals from a midfield role. We need to add that piece. I assume Pogba goes. So someone who can add goals and assists is a must. SMS is a possible to do that.

06 Jan 2020 04:56:50
DM - Ruben Neves or Denis Zakaria
CM - SMS or Saul Niguez
AM - Bruno Fernandes or Maddison or Kai Havertz
RW - Sancho
S - Raul Jiminez or Lautaro Martinez.

06 Jan 2020 05:34:01
That's got to be the worse list of players I've ever seen.

06 Jan 2020 11:02:39
I know I'm a fan of the big essay but is this football lark really that complicated.

Appoint the very best manager available and then back him with loads of money. Simples.

06 Jan 2020 12:05:38
TRD, decent list that. Would love Saul.

06 Jan 2020 16:28:22
DLIB - changed your tune on Ole?

06 Jan 2020 18:13:09
Did White not sign for Spurs and been loaned back to Leeds?

06 Jan 2020 18:21:16
I think Brighton own White? Could be wrong.

06 Jan 2020 18:26:56
Olber, I mean a) we need goals and creativity from midfield, Grealish and Cantwell have 13 goals and 7 assists between them. Bowen is tearing up the championship, and plays off the right hand side (the last winger we got from the championship is going alright? ), Hwang has goals and assists this season and can also play off the right so has versatility, it's a shame if White did sign for Spurs, as it would be good to get in another young talented CB to go with Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly, with Axel on his way through. Kalvin Phillips is a beast, he would be great for us allowing the more attacking cms together forward and support the front three. Sure I'd love Saul, Sancho, Neves, Maddison etc but b) we need to find players who want to play for this club, not just for the money, and we need to find players that aren't going to break the bank as we have so many fires to put out and or would top player even want to come to United?

05 Jan 2020 21:20:57
Several people on here questioning why a player would want Mino Raiola as their agent.

While others are questioning the ability and contribution of Jesse Lingard.

Well it now looks like we will find out the answers to both with Mino Raiola becoming Jesse's agent.

If Mino can get Jesse a transfer to a top side or a huge new deal then it will show both how good an agent Raiola is, and how valued Lingard is by either our club or another.

{Ed047's Note - well someone sorted us in excess of £30 million for Iwobi and got £80 million off of you for McGuire so literally anything’s possible.

Won’t mean he’s any good.

05 Jan 2020 22:23:58
ED047,

😂😂😂😂.

I still can't believe United payed £80 million for Maguire.


Talk about over hyped.

Arsenal and United are in the same boat. Slowly sinking boat. Both boards have given them a colander to try and bail them out.

{Ed047's Note - Emery was an absolute colander and we had to get rid. First signs from Arteta are good but so were the first from Ollie so it’s currently anyone’s guess on him. 🤞

05 Jan 2020 22:27:58
I don't think there's any denying how good an agent Raiola is? Is there? Surely he's already answered that question many times.

06 Jan 2020 00:10:50
if united now give lingard a pay rise. i am officially going on youtube to act like that t t blippi who my grand daughter watches. if he can earn money acting like a k ob o can i.

{Ed047's Note - just for angelred’s info I was referring to Lingard not Raiola.

06 Jan 2020 02:10:58
Raiola is possibly the best at making money for his clients (even more so for himself) but does that mean he is the best agent? Not necessarily in my book. The best agent is the one who looks after his players so that they get decent money but just as importantly develop their playing potential to the maximum and get the best opportunities to have a long, successful and fulfilling career.

06 Jan 2020 06:05:26
We bought Bebé in the past. Was valued by his club, our club, SAF and the scouts. Just saying!

06 Jan 2020 07:14:29
Angel, I agree. Just that some people have been questioning him based on the idea of public image and how he might negatively effect that with his interviews.

Ed047, I said in the summer that Maguire wouldn't be my first choice and that there were much better players available for much less. I was told his weaknesses were minor and that his "fantastic leadership and organisational" qualities would massively improve our defence. To which I said I hadn't really seen anything from him to suggest he has great leadership and organisational skills.

I'll admit he has stepped up and shown the right attitude and he does seem like a good leader (but not a fantastic one, certainly not inspirational like Robson or Cantona) .

But he has shown that he cannot organise a defence, most of the time he is the one out of position. You can't be an organiser if you can't even keep yourself in check.

The issue we have with our defence atm is that they are looking to Harry to organise and pull them together. Yet he isn't that sort of player. He needs someone alongside him to talk him through a game and keep him in check.

{Ed047's Note - you’re right Shappy but I think the club just needed to do something and Leicester just sat there rubbing their hands.

06 Jan 2020 08:16:28
ED0047, At Utd it's the blind leading blind.

{Ed047's Note - very much so mate

06 Jan 2020 11:41:36
Not sure where Jesse thinks he can go after Utd? He’s garbage!

{Ed047's Note - he’s not good mate, another Cleverly, Welbeck, Walcott, Wilshere type of player, flattered to deceive and ultimately couldn’t cut it.

06 Jan 2020 13:27:36
Raiola obviously loves a challenge Ed.

06 Jan 2020 14:35:27
I don't think Jesse is or will ever be world class.

Yet he is still a very good player who happens to be in a patch of awful form. His off field antics don't endear him to the fans, which makes him an easy target.
His poor form has also coincided with his mother suffering from illness and him needing to take over looking after his younger brother and sister. So, to a point he has my sympathy.

I think in the right team, with the right players around him playing a style that suits him then he could be a very good player for a team.

He has shown with his key goals in big games and knockout competitions that he has the temperament to play on the biggest stage. In a team that plays a high press with players in front of him making good clever runs and playing with some confidence then Jesse could do very well.

However, he isn't the sort of player who can drag a team up by their laces or carry them on his back. Which is sadly what is being asked of him at United.

We slate him as an attacking midfielder who doesn't create or score goals. Yet who else is carrying the burden of creating chances from midfield? Matic? Fred? McTominay? It makes him an easy player to make out of the game with little else coming from midfield. While we have pace in front of him and out wide, but other than running at player do people see an ability to unlock a defence with clever passing and movement from any of Rashford, Martial or James?

Lingard's poor form is a symptom of the team struggling to create chances, rather than it being the cause. Maybe someone like Maddison or Bruno Fernandes might be able to create more for a time, or be more clinical when presented a chance.

But how long until teams realise they just need to double up on them to snuff out our ability to create chances.

Saying the players aren't good might be true, but it's far too simplistic to fully explain our problems.

06 Jan 2020 16:24:31
the players not being good is the main reason of our problems.


we lack quality in areas of the pitch that need quality if we are to win games.


the midfield is poor. everyone in the country knew it was poor last season when we got demolished by everton and embarrassed by 2 teams already relegated


we pissed around in the summer like every other season boasting we have money to spend and we will invest yet look at us now?

injuries galore and now we a pardon my french f****D.

06 Jan 2020 18:07:17
Lingard is good squad player at best and should not be used as our main No10 - which he is,
Which is why we aren’t creating chances.

05 Jan 2020 18:01:10
I think its time I spoke out cause it's been bugging me ever since.

AAA please change your name back to No Midfield

Ever since you changed your name the footy has been poor so hopefully we get some order back

Red.

{Ed047's Note - No Manager would be more apt and I'd bet they still probably couldn’t play any worse.

06 Jan 2020 00:25:52
Evening Red, I could change it to "No Clue".
In all seriousness though, it's been years since the NoMidfield name, and we still have no midfield!

05 Jan 2020 10:54:07
I guess its first time some media outlets have linked us with Ruben Neves. Fans here always regarded him highly and always wanted it to happen. Any of the Ed feel he can be a viable target right now for January? I guess at right price wolves will sale. Provided " Ole feels him as right player". ( well when Ole is so fond of Jesse and find him right. he should find evryone as right)

05 Jan 2020 11:41:18
Neves is an excellent player, I'd love to see us sign him. However, I'm sure sides who are far better than us will be looking at him for the summer.

05 Jan 2020 12:10:06
Speaking of Jesse, I read something today about a possible player plus cash deal for Maddison, £40 million + Jesse Lingard for Maddison, I hope this has some truth to it.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect someone is teasing you.}

05 Jan 2020 12:25:02
I for one think that Leicester would be delighted to take a player on £100,000 plus in weekly wages, and contributes at least one goal/ assist per season.

05 Jan 2020 13:58:14
Herbie, I think Jessi Messi is worth less than a packet of crisps. He is virtually useless in every way. Yet, Solskjaer keeps on playing him. Him, pogba are everything that is wrong with our club. They should've been sold ages ago. The fact they're still here reinforces Eds views that the manager and club are worse than amateurs in their dealings.

05 Jan 2020 14:27:24
AAA what a ridiculous post.

{Ed047's Note - why’s it ridiculous angel?

05 Jan 2020 14:50:14
'I think Jessi Messi is worth less than a packet of crisps. He is virtually useless in every way'. pretty ridiculous, those 2 sentences.

{Ed047's Note - ah ok angel I was concentrating on the other parts which are pretty accurate. My bad mate.

05 Jan 2020 15:29:57
Yeah, the rest is good 😂.

05 Jan 2020 15:44:04
Angelred, it was a bit of humour re the packets of crisps. But as Ed agrees, the club is shambolic and the idea that anyone is willing to offer £40m for Lingard, is so ridiculous, it borders on the absurd.

If I was a club looking to buy lingard, and I can't see any wanting to do that, then I will not be paying £40m for him or even half that price.

05 Jan 2020 18:19:47
I don't think Jesse is anything more than a back up player at most. But every manager since Fergie has had the chance to get rid of him, and haven't. In fact he's probably played less under Ole than under the others. That's just a guess, by the way. I'm too lazy to do any proper research on it. I know we can blame Ole for several things, but holding him to be at fault for Jesse still being here doesn't really seem like one of them.

05 Jan 2020 18:50:24
Stevie, you’re a trooper, but I fear you cannot hold back the tide.

05 Jan 2020 18:52:42
Agree nou.
Ive always maintained that jesse can command a squad place. But he has dipped badly over the past 18 months.
With his form as it is he is at risk of losing that squad place and being sold. A new manager may help him get some form back. As i say he was never prolific but an ok no2. Sadly he is not even effective as a no 2 at the moment.

05 Jan 2020 19:34:20
I like jessie, bad run of form and confidence has massively dipped but he is a squad player and not first choice. I reckon he'd also benefit with better players around him and of course an actual coach.

05 Jan 2020 20:45:23
Lingard is useless, contributes nothing and at least a packet of crisps provides a bit of enjoyment.

06 Jan 2020 00:28:31
Agreed Jonny.

05 Jan 2020 08:25:41
Tony, you replied to one of my posts on the match posts page saying that it was boring and repetitive and same old same old. I respect that and kind of agree with what you are saying.

It infact is same old same old. Now when Ole and his team are performing same old same old and boring stuff week in week out, i don't see you commenting on that.

I am entitled to criticizing Ole's performance as boring similar to what he is providing on field. I am getting bored by this and i come on here to vent out my frustration. The day i start enjoying this nonsense i won't post same old stuff on here.

By agreeing to and not criticizing these performances, we the fans are allowing the higher ups to sit on their hands and not make the required changes. They are happy amd satisfied because the fans aren't making any noises. Us being silent is enabling them to keep making mistakes. I am not ready for that.

05 Jan 2020 10:20:30
Shan ignore the bully boys and hypocrites. They have very very short memories.

05 Jan 2020 10:26:14
You mean like how the fans spoke up with LvG and caused the club to scrap the Allegri plan? That sort of "helping" the club by the fans making demands.

The difference with Ole is it will take a hell of a lot for the Old Trafford faithful to turn on a club legend. There are always murmurs of discontent online, keyboard warriors venting frustration at every loss as they have no idea how to deal with disappointment and lack the ability to be even minded step back and assess the situation. They live on emotion and are irrational, and it is far easier to vent and shout mutiny and treason behind the vale of anonymity.

The match going fans are the ones who tend to be heard and listened to. While those fans still appreciate what Ole has done and what he is trying to do, while having a slightly better understanding of what is happening behind the scenes at the club back the manager then the board will feel no pressure at all.

05 Jan 2020 10:35:31
Shappy I think the craziest thing is you sit here saying all this when you were doing exactly the same when Jose was in charge. I don’t think what anyone is saying about Ole boring or an agenda, but is a reaction to what we are seeing on the pitch, which is simply not good enough. Everyone is aware what is going on behind the scenes, and that we are going nowhere with Ole as manager. Why can’t Shan or others vent that they believe he’s not the right man for the job without being called toxic or having an agenda? It so hypocritical considering how you acted during the end of Jose’s era. Let’s not try and pretend like you didn’t say things which were personal against him. Does Shan sometimes go a bit overboard with his sarcasm? Perhaps, but this is a platform for him to vent and he’s entitled to do so.

05 Jan 2020 10:47:56
Shappy

Amusing that you say keyboard warriors live on emotion, emotion being the only reason Ole is still in a job.

Actually you have described the very problem which is ruining the club, the inability to deal with the Ole issue because of who he is rather than judging his managerial ability.

Apparently if what I read is true there are many unsold tickets for the City game and I bet after last night the Wolves replay won’t be over subscribed. Ole’s management is starting to put us in a world of apathy, where supporters won’t turn up, won’t pay to watch, won’t pay subscriptions, can’t be bothered tuning in, we will get less TV time and money so eventually the money men will hear the fans.

You also conveniently forget that the club loves its 600 million fan base, uses the number in pitches to the stock market, yet now its just the match going fans that matter and that number is starting to drift.

No pressure on the board, dream on. Whilst Ole is there it is an emotional rollercoaster and when it stops the weeping won’t just be for Ole but for what used to be a relevant institution called Manchester United.

05 Jan 2020 11:06:37
You are a hypocrite shappy of the highest order.
Your posts 18 months ago on jose mirror those of shans on ole.

05 Jan 2020 11:06:56
Shappy is in denial and continues to live in 1999. Whilst the world has moved on 21 years, Shappy just can't let go. You my friend can live at your pace but don't call anyone who has moved on a toxic. Ole the player is a legend but Ole the manager is thd worst thing that has happened to this club in the last quarter of a century. Yes i am a keyboard warrior but don't kid yourselves that the voices aren't being heard.

05 Jan 2020 11:12:21
He was a legend as a player, mostly for one sole goal. In contrast as a manager he is legendary, already, as hapless, naive and destructive force. He has used all of his brand equity, and must go now. Others should too. One of them is Ferguson who has anointed him, and is in part responsible for the cycle of decline that he have spiralled into. This swamp will only be drained if we appoint a sensible manager and support infrastructure, and work out a coherent strategy.

05 Jan 2020 11:32:52
TheFrenchman

Spot on and let’s not forget SAF anointed Moyes and told us to support him too.

We have to get a better manager Immediately, whilst we still have a chance of top four and build around him.

05 Jan 2020 11:56:55
Why we rowing and banging on about Ole and the past, the club will look to make a change if Ole does not make CL football and tbh, any manager would struggle at OT with the clown up above them running things. Before we can say this or that manager needs staying or bringing in we need to restructure above then look at putting an identity into recruitment.
Ole may not be the right man or good enough but there's no need to bash him as the club is ran like a joke atm anyway.

05 Jan 2020 12:01:06
So no more sitting on the fence, what do you think of ole redman . I couldn't see the game so recorded it, has anyone ever done this and tried desperately to avoid the score and warned people over and over not to tell you the score, then when you've watched it berate people for not telling you it's an awful nil nil.

05 Jan 2020 12:08:57
Shan, I posted a long reply earlier but it hasn't appeared. I'm out and about today so will send it on later.

05 Jan 2020 12:57:11
😂😂😂slate you must have known 1 side would be nil at least.

05 Jan 2020 13:10:20
Shan, I am not accepting of what I see, I just find the same posts after every poor display boring and frustrating. I agree with a lot of what you say, I just don’t need to read it again and again. My view right now:

1. There is a lack of leadership and strategy (copyright Red Man) and this is the root cause of most of our woes.

2. When SAF retired he was allowed to decide on his successor. Hmm, we need someone who has European experience, won a few things, handled big players, plays entertaining football, I know, we’ll appoint that dour Scotsman from Everton even though he doesn’t tick any of the boxes. Naive, foolish, and incompetent.

3. Then we get LVG who should have been here for 3 years but Ed sacked him because the fans weren’t happy. If that’s true then it’s incredibly sad that Woody didn’t have the backbone to back his decision and see through his plan, to bring Allegri in the following year.

4. Then we move to Jose, a winner but pragmatic, moody, grumpy, and never a good fit for us. He won the Europa and then finished runners up and it seems that’s where the falling out started. He wanted players, he didn’t get them. What is most startling is we gave him a new bumper contract and then sacked him within a year having to pay him off.

5. And so to Ole, no top level experience other than relegating Cardiff (copyright Red Man) and it seems a sentimental choice. However, after that incredible initial run there weren’t many not wanting him appointed. Appoint in haste, regret at leisure.

6. Since SAF retired our dealings have been amateurish, paying well over the odds and recruiting players who were not good enough. The money we have wasted is obscene, in any other industry the top man would have been sacked by now for the millions and millions wasted.

I don’t think anyone thinks Ole is the long term answer any more but just changing the Manager won’t fix all of the above. 6 weeks ago people were taking about relegation, and suggesting Ole would be sacked if we lost to Spurs and City. We beat them both, limped up to 5th, people cheered up, but since then it has been pretty dire again.

Pogba has to be sold as soon as possible, he doesn’t want to be here and rumours are his team mates know that so he will just become an unsettling presence. The reshaping is taking too long, we need more out and mor win, but given our transfer record over the last 6 years is anyone confident we will buy well?

I have no answer, I share your frustrations but mine are more with the club and it’s structure as opposed to what I am seeing on the pitch. I’ve loved seeing Williams and Greenwood getting game time, AWB was a great buy, James has real potential, there is a superstar in Rashford struggling to get out. Unfortunately we are being left behind both on and off the pitch by a number of teams and for the ‘biggest club in the world’, that really isn’t acceptable.

05 Jan 2020 13:22:47
Fair point ken by the time I'd finished watching it I'd mastered the Michael Carrick is it next week the mother in law is visiting expression.

05 Jan 2020 13:45:16
I hold my hands up, I was a toxic fan when I called for Jose to be sacked.

There is no denying that, and I won't pretend to.

Jose was/ is a far better manager than Ole. But the fact remains he didn't want to be at the club and never had the club's best interests at heart.

Yet, for the first 18 months I supported him. Yet when it started going down hill, when he started tearing apart the dressing room, and results started to go down hill I saw no reason to support someone who held our club in utter contempt.

I wanted him gone, and I said so regularly. That was toxic. What sort of supporter actively undermines the leader of their club? Quite simply a toxic one. I was, if you are now then you are a toxic fan.

05 Jan 2020 14:00:23
Ole is not the leader of the club he is 1st team coach no more no less.

05 Jan 2020 14:08:30
I think this is where the big issue is.

Shappy says that Jose didn’t have the best interests of the club at heart.

We think that because he was a former player, Ole has the best interests of the club at heart.

Both these positions are simplistic.

The best interests of the club are to recognise that massive investment and modernisation are needed. When SAF retired he left the club with an ageing squad with limited quality coming through. This has never been properly addressed.

Jose was pushing for reforms - a DoF, investment in the core of the squad, and zero tolerance for lazy unmotivated players. The club didn’t back him, and things fell apart last season. They backed the likes of Pogba and Martial, and the dressing room was lost.

Ole, in contrast, has continually stated that no major reforms are needed - he doesn’t need a DoF, he is fully backed in the transfer market, and the club is heading in the right direction.

Given the performances on the pitch, the lack of quality in the squad, and the persistently amateur recruitment, is Ole acting in the best interests of the club?

My own take is that Ole is in a very weak position. He is not in the job on merit, and is unlikely to ever get a job at this level again. Therefore, he is pliable. He won’t complain like Jose, he’ll keep smiling and telling us that everything will be peachy in a few years. In other words, he enables the club to put reforms on the back burner, and will be a convenient fall guy at the end of this season.

This isn’t putting the club first. It’s allowing us to stagnate in the name of his own career.

05 Jan 2020 14:15:05
Interesting points, but the FACTS are that United are in a worse position than a year ago. The football is still as dire as ever, we're not winning against the weaker teams, our defence is leaking goals at an alarming rate despite over £135m being spent, the manager is too scared to make the big calls re poor form of DDG, Lingard, Mata, but keeps on insisting on playing them in a system that is clearly not working.
I also agree with Ed002 that the club is in tatters and run by amateurs. So, until we get proper owners who will put the right measures in place and identify the manager and his team to enforce a long term plan, we are going to continue this laughable situation.

05 Jan 2020 15:15:15
Good post Danny and AAA.

05 Jan 2020 15:19:11
Very good post Danny. Agree will all of that.

05 Jan 2020 15:29:52
Suit yourself Shappy. Quite literally you are like Ole losing your credibility mate.

05 Jan 2020 15:24:52
Good post ajh too.
I think everyone is frustrated apart from a handful who think ole has us heading in the right direction.
Sometimes reading a view time and time again under various guises can be frustrating particularly when you know the view is right but you just don't want it to be right.
Nobody on here likes the situation we are in but there is no point ignoring it. It does good to debate views on here and get your frustration out. If you don't want to read it dont. Lots of people do like reading it and debating it.
3 or 4 days in a row people post pogba must be sold i don't get how that is any different to saying ole must go?

05 Jan 2020 15:28:04
So shappy it was ok for you to call for jose to be sacked and write essay after essay on the topic but you think its ok to critisise redman for thing likewise with ole who has a far worse record? How do you draw the conclusion that that is a reasonable way to act?

{Ed047's Note - you may need a super computer to work that out

05 Jan 2020 16:44:51
😂 ed047. I just don't understand why redman is being slammed by a few who did the same thing. The double standards are very obvious.

{Ed047's Note - I don’t either, for me he hits the nail on the head 99% of the time.

The truth of the matter is OGS failed at Cardiff and how that merited him getting the massive job of managing United is beyond me.

I wouldn’t want TH14 as manager at Arsenal because he clearly doesn’t have what it takes albeit he is a genuine Arsenal legend, not a 1 goal wonder.

05 Jan 2020 17:14:07
That's the craziest thing. They know he is right. They don't even disagree. But don't want him to write it down. That way its not really happening😂😂😂.

{Ed047's Note - ahh the old stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala 🤣

I still can’t believe they made it a permanent role when waiting until the end of the season was 100% the most sensible thing to do.

05 Jan 2020 17:17:37
spot on Ed and Ken.

05 Jan 2020 17:47:47
Shappy, your posts are so hypocritical. Have a bit of humility and remember exactly what you were posting while Jose was in charge. I don't remember Redman ever giving you grief the way you do to him for RIGHTFULLY calling out what an embarrassment Ole is as a coach.

05 Jan 2020 17:54:39
I think Woodward was bamboozled into Ole’s appointment after the results as a temp, then became completely carried away by what happened in Paris, the emotion of the night, not able to recognise it was a freak result.

He was also goaded on by people like Rio and Ole’s mates, previously so vocal against Mourinho, getting behind Ole. Woodward went in the opposite direction as a type of manager from Mourinho, so much so it seemed a reaction and certainly wasn’t a well thought out strategy. If I recall correctly the perm decision was actually made after two poor results but instead of saying woah, Utd just ploughed ahead.

Reacting, going in the totally opposite direction with the next appointment might be a natural reaction to a junior manager new to recruitment, however, it should never ever happen at senior level executive level. The fact it did tells us all the decision process is an utter and complete mess. The fact they haven’t had the leadership to correct the utter mess tells us even more how shocking the situation is.

Ole is not the only one needing removal but we have to try to get top four to give us something to build on, to attract players.

However, top four seems to be used as a driver for the timing of a managers sacking, the reason to lower the payout, rather than doing whatever it takes to get to it. That in itself highlights the muddied thinking.

First step is try to get something out of the season whilst we are still in touch and that means sacking OGS and getting someone who knows what they are doing. It really isn’t rocket science.

05 Jan 2020 18:05:26
Of course it's happening, it just doesn't need to be written down every bloody day.

05 Jan 2020 18:16:12
More to the point I’m a grown adult and don’t require anybody on this site, editor or not, to tell me how to support my team.
If I back the manager and see what he’s trying to achieve he gets my support. Likewise if the football is rubbish, alongside tactics, transfers and other essential aspects, then I don’t back him and want a change.

The toxic rubbish is just that as every football fan up and down the country are either happy with the manager, undecided or want him out.
It’s the same at every club at and at every level so don’t let anybody tell you any different despite what they “appear” to know.

05 Jan 2020 18:58:52
Good thread folks. A lot more entertaining than the football on show!

05 Jan 2020 18:56:28
Redman feels the need to write it. Don't read it AJH. That way you'll both be happy.
Censorship is up to the editors not posters.

05 Jan 2020 20:40:34
Danny what a post that was. Well done and i hope that shooshes up all the Ole supporters.

The issue here is that there is no point in name calling and saying someone is boring.

I find majority of the stuff on here very repetitive and only reply when i n33d to.

Quite frankly this page is not what it used to be.

We used to talk about tactics, players and new formations but now its just about calling each other out.

We are ufcourse going to disagree with each other as we are all different so just chill out and enjoy the ride because there's lots more bumpy rides on the way and we will see a lot more of Watford type results until the change happens.

Another point is if we just sit here and not complain then the change will never happen and us as fans have the right to voice our opinion.

05 Jan 2020 20:47:00
Shappy,

Only match going fans should be listened to?

Only they understand what is going on and see clearly and want Ole?

That is some serious bull testicles.

I go to the match, I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or understand the structure of the club whatsoever. so there.

04 Jan 2020 23:52:51
Well - I'd have taken 0-0 before kick off away at Wolves given our recent performances there that's for sure.

05 Jan 2020 10:24:06
Agree Eric it is the most we could have hoped for.
We are still in the cup. maybe romero gave ole his mark robins moment.
Kept us in the game and in the cup.