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09 May 2024 17:02:15
Just wondering, in light of ten Hag's position being perhaps vulnerable, if there's a chance of seeing Farioli at the helm?
Bearing in mind he's already familiar to Sir Jim and how he was brought to OGC Nice because of his style, with further consideration given to his previous tutelage under De Zerbi, I do wonder whether the names of Tuchel, Potter, Southgate and De Zerbi himself have been positioned as smokescreens - A la Arne Slot - while the real, board-level, focus has been on one or two other options?
To note, if United were to get one or two CBs and a LB in the respective moulds of player favoured by Farioli, Onana would look far better.
Maybe Branthwaite, Todibo and Kerkez?
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{Ed025's Note - you would need a lot of dosh to buy those 3 Ork, Branthwaite alone will cost between £60-£80 Million mate, unless you throw in Harry Maguire that is, then it would be £100 million.. :)
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09 May 2024 17:48:20
🤣🤣🤣
Tbf Ed025, I'd rather we looked elsewhere for better value, but the likes of Lukeba and Calafiori go under the radar somewhat.
Any thoughts on Farioli?
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{Ed025's Note - never heard of him to be honest Ork, sounds like an Italian boiler firm to me mate.. :)
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09 May 2024 18:22:23
Ed0025 not sure Branthwaite will cost that much in the end, finances being what they are at Everton and the very realistic threat of administration, sorry not trying to rub it in, he may end up a steal as they try to bring in money.
I wouldn't be surprised if you manage to win at the weekend and are guaranteed safe even with the 9 pts deduction you take the hit this season I don't see anyone else looking to buy at a premium before administration with the club on the precipice.
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{Ed025's Note - the 9 points deduction for administration will come in next season if it happens Dbrook, on Jarrad you could well be right mate because no doubt some club will take advantage of our financial situation, im hoping for a bidding war myself..
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09 May 2024 19:18:44
Fair play ed and I don't blame you wanting a bidding war. As a fan I think I'd want that deduction asap once you were safe might give you an outside chance at next season especially if you can get it on this season.
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{Ed025's Note - hopefully it wont come to that mate..
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09 May 2024 20:24:18
You know the saying ed it's the hope that kills you, I'm not sure investors put money on knowing how tight it is and how close it is, they can just see it out and get a bargain off the administrators.
Whilst I don't think the prem were wrong in the charges/ deductions you've had this year they are at fault for acting so late not having transfer bans etc before it got to that by having FFP rules they make themselves partially liable surely if they don't try to enforce clubs to behave.
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{Ed025's Note - you are right Dbrooks but what about City mate?, they have 115 charges to answer to going back almost 10 years, dont you think they should be brought to book first?
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09 May 2024 15:41:42
I posted about culture the other day and I honestly believe that has been the biggest contributor to poor performance over the past 10 years.
Since SAF retired the Club has been shambles devoid of any identity, leadership or purpose.
The culture is set at the top and filters down. Recruitment has been a disgrace, managers have been undermined and player power has prospered.
We only have to caste our minds back a couple of years to when Ralph Rangnick was appointed interim manager. His appointment was lauded by many supporters and received with great positivity and optimism, not necessarily because of his coaching ability but more looking forward to his role as advisor.
I clearly remember the first 45 minutes of his reign against Crystal Palace. The pressing, the aggression, the work rate was fantastic and the football was refreshing. Sadly we only experienced this for 45 minutes. He later honestly informed us that the players could not sustain this type of football and he recommended open heart surgery. The rest is history.
Ole was often disrespectfully labelled a PE teacher, criticised for a lack of identity and tactical nous, but If you listened carefully, Ole often expressed in many of his interviews how he wanted his team to be proactive, press from the front and play attacking adventurous football. He got stuck playing counter attacking football to appease the players, that couldn't play with the required intensity or consistency.
Whatever you think of EtH he has attempted to change the style of play and if you agree with it or not there is an argument he has been let down by the Club.
He has not been allowed to remove players and the Club have missed out on several of his first choice players.
How a Club lurches from FdJ to Casemiro only highlights the problems in recruitment.
Whatever you feel about Maguire and Mctominay EtH wanted to remove them both in the summer.
They both refused transfers and the Club had no appetite to move them on.
I think we can all agree, whether you like them both or not, neither are particularly suited to a team that wants to play a high line, press from the front, rotate the ball and retain possession. How can a team progress when the manager is forced to regularly rely on players he knows are not suited to his system?
EtH arrived at the Club with a rotten culture, with incompetent decision makers, useless negotiations, complicated further with the owners putting the Club up for sale.
I don't know if EtH should keep his job, but I believe there is certainly enough mitigation to suggest this is not an easy or straightforward decision.
My hope is that with a footballing structure in place subsequent managers will be better supported and more scrutiny placed on the players to perform consistently otherwise they will be removed from the Club as well as the manager.
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09 May 2024 16:36:57
Really good post DLIB, encapsulates my thoughts perfectly.
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09 May 2024 18:44:29
I agree with a fair part of that Dlibhere is where we differ in our opinions the most I think.
For me it all comes down to coaching and what's happening on the pitch and training ground.
Technically our players are miles behind the competition.
Physically we are miles behind the competition.
Team shape and having a solid formation and plan we are miles behind the competition.
It does not take 2 years to get players fit. When cas came he was a beast king of the gym ahead of ronaldo.
I can't think of one player that has improved under eth in 2 years in all 3 of those aspects and in the vast majority of cases in any of the 3.
Stylistically casimero and fdj are polls apart 100% agree.
He came into a mess and did well last year but not one single player has improved many have got worse.
Injuries explain some results but it doesn't stop those playing being able to do the basics of control pass move and shape.
Repetition Repetition Repetition that's coaching.
Drill after drill everybody knows the job and can do the basics.
You need your best players to make it sing we all accept that.
Either eth can't get his message across or he can't accept his message is wrong.
Look at the job the new Palace and Bournemouth coaches for example have done.
Palace players double sessions for 6 weeks and are covering more ground are quicker and in tune with their jobs.
Bournemouth have not a squad close to ours yet all their players are improving individually and collectively.
Forget the structure above him forget the past and point out which players eth has improved.
At the end of 2 years what do we see footprint wise of coaching on the pitch.
Leaving aside his ridiculous media statements of
This calendar year we have been OK only losing 4 times
And
We are one of the most entertaining and dynamic teams in the country.
Leaving aside his handling of sancho and ronaldo neither of which reflect well on him notwithstanding both players being way out of line.
Leaving aside all the minus goal difference 8th place, humiliating cl performance.
All that ignored our players are not improving technically physically or tactically after 2 years of his coaching.
Garnacho is to me looking less dangerous by the week. If he has garnacho long enough he will turn him into another Anthony who eth has said is unplayable at times.
Nothing has improved on the pitch it's got worse the longer he is with them.
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09 May 2024 19:44:33
I must admit I’m on the fence with eth though what if the players do not have the right attitude and application in training to want to improve. Like dlib says eth may be trying his best but his hands are tied because of the clubs inept ability to get certain players out and the ones in the manager actually wants.
We are Manchester United and we scramble around for frees or loan deals what other top clubs do that.
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09 May 2024 19:46:38
Tumble - I fully accept your argument and I can understand your point of view I just think we’ve heard the same argument from a number of different coaches now. None of them have succeeded in implementing a decent style of football and none of them have been able to make them press. To be fair I think we’ve said the same about each manager. We’ve all called them tactical inept and questioned which players they’ve improved?
I accept it’s complicated and I’m certainly not absolving EtH of any responsibility.
My hope is under a new structure and recruitment team there will be a more detailed, methodical and analytical approach to transfers where players are recruited according to how the team wants to play. Hopefully players will no longer be rewarded with lucrative long term contracts, just to protect their value, when in reality this actually makes them unsellable, meaning we’re stuck with unsuitable players for long periods that we can’t get rid of.
I’m cautiously optimistic and have no choice but to trust the new regime to make better decisions. Things can often look bleak but recruit a few good players and things can change pretty quickly in football. Personally I’d stick with the manager but understand those that want a change.
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09 May 2024 14:02:52
ED001,
What are you thoughts on Tuchels as a manager and as a potential autd manager next season?
Previously you weren't overawed by his abilities, so I'm wondering if you still think the same.
Finally woukd you stick with EtH for one final season and perhaps wait until next summer to appoint a new manager?
Thanks.
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{Ed001's Note - I certainly wouldn't look at Tuchel, you would be better off bringing back Jose if you are just going for out of work managers. Tuchel is awful and gradually destroys any team that he takes charge of, after an initial early bump. If I was speaking as a Liverpool fan, he would be up there with Moyes as one of my first choices, which should tell you something about how I rate him. He is just not a good coach or good tactician. Far too negative and his football is soul destroyingly tedious.
I really don't see how Ten Hag can survive the recent performances, more than the results. The team has been falling apart around him and he seems helpless to rescue it or coach improvements. The big problem is the paucity of options to replace him. I was discussing this with Ed077 recently, might even have been yesterday, and we were struggling to come up with replacements. The obvious long term options are McKenna and Carrick, as both know the club well. McKenna has yet to have a blip to really test him though, so would be a huge risk. Carrick has had a big blip this season and pulled it around, so that is a good sign, but it still seems a bit early for him to take over at United.
The big issue is that we don't know what style of football is going to be set by the technical staff for the head coach to follow. Once we actually know how the club is going to be set up to play, then it is easier to pick a coach to produce that style. Though it may be that, in that case, Ten Hag would be capable of doing that job, as he could get Ajax to play to the Ajax blueprint. His problem has been recruitment and producing his own tactical blueprint. Perhaps it might even be the case that with his powers curtailed, and a tactical plan laid out for him, he could actually be fully capable. I just don't see him getting the chance to show it after the way the team has performed under him in recent weeks in particular.}
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09 May 2024 14:53:26
Fair assessment 001. It's clear that the structure at United is a far cry from that at Ajax up to a year or two ago.
It begs the questions as to why we brought in a manager who is proven with a good setup around him. Or does that highlight the sheer ignorance of the club's decision makers at that time? It is/ was a a Fun House made up of non-football people who were blind to their own shortcomings.
I too am scratching my head as to who is suitable, which is why I'm in favour of giving ETH a chance with a proper setup. The issue is that the setup will take at least 12 months to settle, so one could still argue that ETH wouldn't get the full impact of a proper structure.
One thing is for sure, I don't want to see Southgate anywhere near the club. He's so incredibly defensive and limited, keeping ETH is a much better option.
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{Ed001's Note - I think it is just a sign of how much of a mess the decision makers were creating. You had people who knew as much about football as I know about pop music or fashion. Which is less than nothing!}
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09 May 2024 15:00:24
Ed001 - Good read and a fair and honest review thank you.
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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}
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09 May 2024 15:26:19
Ed, has Tuchel worked under a similar football structure that SJR is trying to put together before?! ETH has which is why I’d be happy to see him next season and think he should be giving the chance. But I am not convinced he will be here after the FA Cup final so surely a new manager needs a proven record under a football structure which for me, the only one who fits that profile of suggested names is Potter but I just can’t get on board with him, especially when ETH gets hammered for no charisma etc, not sure Potter brings a lot of that. I don’t know much about Brightons set up now so not sure whether De Zerbi is working in that structure? He strikes me as a bit more of a maverick who would want to work to his own ideas. But I know very little of him so could be well off the mark with him.
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{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware Tuchel has not worked under that structure, he likes to have a lot of input. I would avoid De Zerbi if you don't want a manager who alienates players and talks a lot of crap in the media. Usually talking crap about his players as well.}
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09 May 2024 15:30:02
Always like your take on things Ed1. What about Potter?
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{Ed001's Note - I am not sure he has shown the strength of character to step up to United. He needs a lot of time to build the way he plays and deals with players, he needs a step in between Brighton and United to get him the trust to do that.}
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09 May 2024 15:54:44
I don't see how Southgate (or my preferred choice of Nagelsmann should ten Hag leave) are viable purely because they will be involved with their respective national teams for most of the window. We have one of our biggest ever windows coming up and I can't see how the manager cannot be fully focused on it. This is one of the reasons I too would stick with Erik, but of course with each awful performance they are under increasing pressure.
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09 May 2024 16:38:53
Not leaving many options Ed 😂🙈 wonder if Klopp would fancy a year or two!
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09 May 2024 19:54:28
If ten Hag hadn’t made such a mess of it this year I’d back him to stay under a real structure. But he’s really underperformed this year.
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09 May 2024 12:14:17
I don't follow this logic that the same players who are not working hard enough in the games, work so hard in the trainings that they get injured? Also, the training is done by coaches who have done it for decades - it makes no sense to blame ETH for this.
It presents a worse reality that like Martial and unlike Bruno - many players are not upto it. It also means the manager is hence a goner.
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09 May 2024 12:48:21
Jose said there was a problem with some players physicality and always being injured.
I think a huge part of the problem is the medical team being sub par and maybe the recovery not being handled correctly leading to further / repeat injuries. ETH has voiced frustrations with the medical team.
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09 May 2024 13:52:53
Kurtis
I may be wrong but think the esteemed Ed said the injuries were not the fault of the medical team about 2 weeks ago
I will say again, when we were drastically short of CB last week why were the fit ones not looked after. There are far too many injuries and muscle injuries from training. There has to be questions
We do not know who is driving training but to keep doing the same things expecting a different result, yet bringing more injuries is the definition of madness.
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09 May 2024 13:54:11
Glasner went into Palace in Mid-Feb. Since then he has improved the strength, fitness and intensity of the side. That comes from hard work. They only have 4 or 5 players out injured currently. Fernandes played every game up until Palace and I assume attends every training session. Our medical team need a serious review of them.
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09 May 2024 15:50:56
Fair statement Red Man.
I may have missed Eds comment. It's difficult to pinpoint where the injuries are coming from. We can't fairly say it's all down to EtH, as there will be numerous coaches including Strength and Conditioning working with the players.
To keep doing the same things expecting a different result is the definition of madness. It's a shame you don't share that same view on sacking managers.
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09 May 2024 16:17:43
we can always just skip training and hope they show up match sharp and fit and give us a rousing performance.
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09 May 2024 17:43:12
Trimmed
The club not the manager comes first, we also need to accept that just giving time is not always the answer. We have not made good decisions, examined character, skill set, leadership, vision. If so would we have appointed Moyes, Ole? Would we have appointed ETH if we knew what this mess looked like or that he would be intransigent, to the point of embarrassing the club? That he has thrown players, young ones under the bus?
Apart from Sexton, Moyes and Ole, I waited to see what they could do. However, your point should not be about why do the same thing over and over by sacking them, the point should be why we appointed these managers over and over.
When SAF retired I felt we should have changed structure because we would keep on lurching left and right as each manager changed, and we have. All the while losing our identity. Real Madrid haven’t lost theirs or Liverpool, Chelsea don’t blithely let a manager ruin the club and nor should we.
Having done this in business and if I was DoF I would be asking ETH what his plans, vision and thoughts are about what he is doing, why, what his aim and vision is and what his plan to get us there is. I would look at what has happened, ask him for observations on it all. Given what we are seeing it’s a shambles and we have not been sold a vision, a key element of leadership.
When you realise that then you realise it is ripe for someone who meets all the criteria and at least it looks like people are capable now. Unless of course they think the answer is Southgate, in which case a repeat of the above will take place in 2 years.
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09 May 2024 10:10:24
Away from the usual topic of conversation that has flooded the page for what seems like months now, the use of VAR and the technology for Joselu's goal last night was excellent, I really hope that is something the premier league are looking at, so much better and clearer than ''drawing lines''.
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09 May 2024 11:06:09
Yes it was, wasn’t so great for the Bayern equaliser though. Protocol broken by the linesman and also with the VAR as they showed the disallowed Madrid goal to the fans before the ref saw it.
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09 May 2024 11:25:14
That was all human error though Tim, the technology however is so much better, IMO then what the Premier League is currently using.
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09 May 2024 11:38:50
I think it's a conundrum ports.
What do do with var and how to apply it.
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09 May 2024 12:12:00
Wasn’t it announced recently that the PL is trialing the same method from next season? I’m sure I read that.
I can understand Bayern fans being angry last night. It was a bit dodgy showing the VAR footage on screen for the Madrid disallowed goal. I think the Bayern equaliser looked slightly off and I think that the GK stopped and perhaps would’ve saved it, but we will never know. Again a bit dodgy.
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09 May 2024 12:32:34
They have started using live VAR in Oz. The ref is mic’d up and explains the rationale behind the decisions.
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09 May 2024 12:40:16
I just don't think the rules support the technology we use. If your toe is offside and that's the rule, fine but you need conclusive evidence. The technology used last night offers that where as drawing lines doesn't. It's the offside one that I hate
The other use of VAR, unfortunately is subjective still unless the rules are clearly established and don't allow for any interpretation. I do think they shouldn't add pressure on the ref to go and review at the side of the pitch, if you have all the angles in the room without the atmosphere of the ground, you make the decision.
I just feel like they are trying to create perfect decisions and outcomes and by doing this they seem to be cocking up even more.
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09 May 2024 12:52:33
What about the RM running onto he pitch when it went 2-2. That shouldn't have happened, unless the game has ended.
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09 May 2024 14:07:50
The offside implementation of var in the UCL is far better than the premier league, clearer, more concise, faster and let's the game flow better. None of this drawing lines rubbish.
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09 May 2024 09:22:01
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09 May 2024 07:39:10
{Ed's Note - Beckers pecker has posted a new article entitled, Respect Your Team's Football Players
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09 May 2024 00:11:26
Todays game vs Real Madrid shows why we should not get Tuchel.
He subbed off Kane, switched to a back 5, and subbed off Sane.
Poor negative management, he should have brought on Mathys Tel or tried to counter but instead he just brought off his better players and surrendered the match.
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09 May 2024 06:08:32
Alternative argument, Neuer shouldn't have f@#k*d up, and the linesman admitted he made the wrong decision after the game.
None of that was Tuchels fault. It's easy to blame a manager. Perhaps he should have kept Kane on.
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09 May 2024 06:26:13
I am not here to defend Tuchel but if the keeper hadn’t dropped an absolute clanger it may well have been successful. Going to Madrid and doing what Bayern did, probably deserved to win given their game strategy, it was the sign of an elite coach.
I would take Tuchel over what we have and certainly over Southgate.
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09 May 2024 06:40:47
I’d be more worried that he’s a manager who like Conte / Mourinho et al seems to fall out with everyone by season three, and it feels unlikely we’ll be challenging in that time and back to square one again. Or maybe that’s just being defeatist? Just feels like we need someone with vision to begin from the bottom up.
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09 May 2024 07:05:45
Backpass you’re right.
Remember just a few weeks ago when ETH was getting hammered for subbing Garnacho, by the same people defending Tuchel above?
At the time he brought Kane off it’s the first thing that came to mind; the meltdown on here has Tuchel made the same subs for us.
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09 May 2024 07:07:06
Not being defeatist spenno. Or if you are then that makes two of us because I agree with you.
Anyway, it's irrelevant because ETH is going nowhere. SJR likes bald men. Hence SDB is on board. ken just see it.
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09 May 2024 08:43:37
Then by all accounts ten hag shouldn’t be the manager based on the group stages lol.
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09 May 2024 08:59:21
Losing a champions league semi final by the odd goal against Madrid at the bernabeu…. that’s something we could only dream about currently so if that’s what tuchel brings then sign me up. His management and tactics got them there in the first place remember!
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09 May 2024 10:02:31
Tim, most of us all know that's nonsense though because if that happens to us in the manner it did last night, individuals would be on here hammering Tuchel for taking off a player and his tactics. Unfortunately that's what some of this fanbase have become.
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09 May 2024 10:15:30
To be fair Kane's stats at the point of being substituted were the poorest in the Bayern line-up - he got an assist but four passes and definitely fatigued. But yeah, in hindsight definitely the guy you want on the pitch when you're chasing which is the risk you take.
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09 May 2024 10:40:47
I'm not sure about that ports.
Klopp gets lot of praise on here just for competing he wins very little.
I would be delighted to see us competing at the top table. Wins at that level or losses can happen in a blink of an eye.
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09 May 2024 10:46:15
Backpass / rohan.
Can you make me the manager that never made a mistake? That will go alongside any of fizzy pops posts as one of the daftest.
To get to be winning a semi final with 1 min to go means he did a lot more right than wrong over the course of the comp.
Pep lost plenty of semi finals and finals so did fergie klopp etc.
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09 May 2024 11:37:57
So taking Kane off with 5 mins to go and going defensive is poor negative management but Ten Hag doing it after 65 mins is fine and taking his best players off at that.
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09 May 2024 12:05:35
You are absolutely right Mad Hatter, it is easy to blame the manager 😉.
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09 May 2024 13:55:12
To be fair he can't do anything about a mistake by Neuer. I do think the subs and change of shape actually helped Madrid and there was more space for some reason. I was thinking they are in trouble if they concede and how is he going to hold out for 30 minutes of extra time as he took all the threat upfront off.
Saying that I thought sane was really poor all game and not sure if he had anyone on the bench to replace him with. Personally would have left Kane on as they have nothing left to play for and this was it.
I have no issues with them sitting back and trying to counter.
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09 May 2024 14:00:41
On another note the premier of 99 by prime is this weekend in Manchester i believe and everyone is going to be there.
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08 May 2024 20:51:25
Does anyone know if any of the injured players will be available for the FA final?
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08 May 2024 21:43:59
Martial is back 👍.
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08 May 2024 22:41:25
It's like the resurrection of Jesus if martial is fit, he's still got a couple of weeks to get injured again.
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09 May 2024 00:30:04
Rumours of shaw, martinez, varane, martial. But there is still time for them to get injured 😩.
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09 May 2024 06:21:21
Plenty of ETH training sessions before the cup final for them to get injuries.
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09 May 2024 09:00:10
Imagine the scenes if martial starts the cup final….
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09 May 2024 09:19:33
Imagine the scenes if Martial bangs in the winner and keeps ETH in his job!
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09 May 2024 10:16:51
Hopefully Martinez back, perhaps Shaw. Make a fist of it rather than just a horror show.
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09 May 2024 10:20:09
Bangs in the winner, signs new 5 year contract, gets injured in said signing!
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09 May 2024 10:23:57
Ports I hope it happens.
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09 May 2024 10:42:02
We can all see it happening:
80 mins - Martial substitution for Hojlund
83 mins - Rashford brilliant link up play with Martial leads to Martial winner. we all wonder what could have been over the past few years
85 mins - Martial goes down under a soft challenge and goes off injured
I remember we were looking at front 3 of Rashford, Martial, Sancho and thinking we had it nailed for years. How wrong I was!
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09 May 2024 11:44:12
If he is in the squad and scores the winner I'd be delighted nice way to send himself and eth down the road with a cup win.
However if we have enough fit players I wouldn't name him or varane in the squad if it was my squad.
I said the same about vidic who was one of my favourites after he announced a pre contract with inter.
If you are not committed to the club then you should not be considered for selection in my opinion. Many would not agree.
Eth may feel different as he won't be here himself so he doesn't have to worry about that.
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08 May 2024 20:04:09
Is there any likelihood that with all the American owners now that they will ultimately get their wish and replace the EPL with a franchise system, thereby ruining the game for ever?
I dread Todd Boehly getting his wish and bringing in an "All Star" weekend where some meaningless game of boring hype is put on for the sole reason of making money, having more advertising, and glorifying a load of overpaid sports stars.
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08 May 2024 21:20:45
You mean like the “Champions” League?
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