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21 May 2024 20:46:11
It’s interesting that Poch is now available, as is De Zerbi - I assume no compensation to be paid?
If we do change manager - would you see these as an upgrade on EtH?
Or would you keep our manager and give him a go in the new structure?
21 May 2024 19:24:56
Poch OUT at Chelsea. crazy that anyone would ever want that job.
21 May 2024 19:48:25
It’s great for your bank balance though.
21 May 2024 19:51:43
I’d happily take him at United.
21 May 2024 20:05:00
Looks like a Tuchel return could be on the cards.
21 May 2024 20:07:50
New name in tbe mix. Not sure he is the man to sort out the egos but would be a good choice if bombing them out and giving him young players willing to listen and learn.
21 May 2024 20:08:43
100% would have him at Utd.
21 May 2024 20:16:50
De Zerbi I assume?
21 May 2024 20:24:27
Yeah I thought same as Spenno wi5h De Zerbi for Chelsea.
Poch for United is a rumour that's come around several times and presumably is now going to start again. Better than Potter or Southgate imo.
21 May 2024 20:34:05
The manager market is so weird right now.
Very few genuine top class managers available, more top clubs looking to take a chance on younger, less proven managers all hoping to unearth the next great manager.
The role does seem to be getting downgraded across football more so in recent years. Less club managers and more head coaches. It looks like more and more clubs are moving away from the manager really having much of a say in the direction or overarching vision of the club. With them expected to work more within a set structure, they are involved in decisions, but they don't dictate or have the final say.
For a club like ours where our success has been tied to phenomenal managers who are synonymous with that success it'll be very strange to have a manager who isn't the head of the club.
21 May 2024 21:07:24
2 years ago it was either poch or eth…. could be that same choice again! I’d take poch at united all day and pretty sure he had a lot of fans around the club too.
21 May 2024 19:10:37
Pochettino just left Chelsea by mutual consent.
21 May 2024 19:26:42
Nuts that anyone would ever want that gig.
21 May 2024 14:20:08
No Rashford in the England squad. It's the right call, but I am a little surprised that he's not in the provisional.
Pleased for Kobbie.
21 May 2024 14:35:55
It's the right call and perhaps the kick up the backside that he desperately needs. His ommission from the England squad should have happened sooner.
21 May 2024 14:50:21
No doubt we are all haters and it’s abuse by Southgate not picking him!
21 May 2024 15:02:35
Absolutely the right call on Rashford and gives him the summer to regroup, clear any rumoured injuries and work out what sort of player he wants to come back as.
Also means should we be looking to move him on that discussions can be had during the Euros.
Southgate showing some bite with a number of players and giving some youngsters a chance as well as from so called lesser clubs.
21 May 2024 15:08:29
Something is patently not right with Rashford this season. Maybe a break will do him good. We were all lauding him last year for his excellent performances. i hope he gets whatever help he needs to rediscover that form.
21 May 2024 15:36:29
Too much money and free time. Lack of focus on his professional obligations. If he had serious personal problems then he should have been removed from selection, but ETH continued to select him, so assume all relatively fine. No excuses. Kudos Southgate for seeing what many, apart from ETH, could.
21 May 2024 15:40:47
It's no surprise really when I suggested it would happen I was told on here that rashford would definitely be in squad and Henderson would definitely be in staring 11. Don't listen to guarantees from Fantasy fotball experts they think it's like the real thing and get a bit carried away with their opinions🤣🤣.
21 May 2024 15:44:25
He’s a confidence player, so when he is on form and confident he can do great things, but the majority of the time he is way off it as things aren’t going well and he isn’t strong enough mentally to battle through it to regain that form and therefore confidence.
He comes across as a moody sulky person, but I don’t think he is, he just doesn’t have the mental strength required to stay at the top, especially when times are tough.
He needs to leave for me, for our sake and his own.
21 May 2024 16:01:54
Yeah I think a move would do him the world of food. Get out of England and learn new and better things.
21 May 2024 16:43:26
Good not food.
21 May 2024 16:43:48
Most players would do everything in their power to prove Southgate wrong. Sadly, Rashford will probably just go off in a strop and blame everybody but himself.
21 May 2024 16:56:29
I agree with Noel Gallagher.
21 May 2024 17:06:32
Henerson in the starting 11.lol.
Whoever said that should hang up there keyboard and retire.
21 May 2024 17:33:40
I think Marcus splitting up with his girlfriend before the season started might have more of an impact than we realise, especially when you have to live your life in the public eye it seems like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders at the moment.
I don't think a move abroad would suit him, he comes across as someone who lives being in the UK. Maybe the break from football for 2 months and a chance to find some happiness might see a renewed player coming back in July.
21 May 2024 17:49:17
Tw you’re alway trying to validate yourself, and pick fights. who cares who called what.
Imo best outcome for both Rashford and England is if he sits it out.
21 May 2024 18:10:09
G nev I think it's the right call I think rashford would benefit from a move outside of the epl but that sort of move is not for everybody but if he fancies it now is the ideal time imo.
I think more English players should do it I think the national team would benefit greatly from a wider experience base. Top players will see their skills enhanced due to more emphasis on technique.
21 May 2024 18:46:02
@ salford I hope so too.
He has great ability imo and has had a big gap in quality coaching for years imo.
I think he can flourish under the right coaching but I also think a move abroad would see him be a big success.
21 May 2024 19:02:17
I think he should as well. Would it help Rashford, I dunno he seems to know every thing already it seems with his PR exercises.
Hopefully this may make him change his attitude for next season.
21 May 2024 19:40:27
Rashford could do with the rest and some head space. Hopefully he will look at this and take some time to reflect and comeback stronger next season. There is no doubt he's a good player, he's a nightmare for the opposition when he's in form. He's still only 26 his best years are ahead of him.
21 May 2024 19:45:12
Maybe Poch can get him back to his best? 😄.
21 May 2024 20:10:54
I think we keep him and play him in his strongest position, when he is performing as the best we have in that position, otherwise bench.
The issue is is high wage, and that might work against him.
20 May 2024 11:56:24
So what are everyone's starting 11s for the final?
Personally I would go:
Onana
AWB Varane Martinez Dalot
Cass Mainoo
Scotty
Amad Garnacho
Bruno
Make sure we're in the game with 25 to go and then introduce Rash and Hojlund.
20 May 2024 12:07:13
I think hojlund or Rashford will start instead of Amad and then bruno or Garnacho will move to the right hand side.
20 May 2024 12:22:31
I think he will start rashford ahead of Anthony and amad.
I think playing no striker against city will cost us dearly.
I'd rather varane was not part of the team personally under normal circumstances but I reckon he won't be the only one putting in his last appearance for united on the day manager included.
Hopefully between wilcox and the coaches they can come up with a plan that works on the day.
20 May 2024 12:13:23
Mine is quite similar to yours 12day with a little tweak
. Onana
AWB Varane Martinez Dalot
. Cass Mainoo
Amad , Bruno . Garnacho
. , - Rasmus.
20 May 2024 12:50:55
Hojlund has to start, his shot conversion rate is really high, better than Haaland and Isak.
In a game of few chances we’ll need players who can finish.
Although the odds are massively against us we’ve been written off by everybody. That’s fuel to upset the odds.
20 May 2024 13:34:11
Wazza we won the last 2 games in a row with him in the bench. When was the last time that happened?
He does not have to start.
I'd rather he did but because Bruno has no positional discipline him in our midfield 3 leaves us badly exposed as it has all season
We look defensively better without Bruno in a midfield 3.
20 May 2024 14:33:11
Hojlund isn’t the sort of player you’d want to see coming off the bench for last 20/ 25 mins. I think if we can keep it tight for 70mins, putting Hojlund on would cause them some problems. Might be a good tactic.
20 May 2024 14:50:31
I think i would rather start with the three in midfield in Casemiro, Mainoo and Mctominay. Gives the back 4 a bit more protection.
Every player on that picth is going to have to work there arse off just to stay in the game. Can't have any passengers giving 75 percent which is why i hope he doesn't play Rashford plus the lad Amad deserves his chance after his last couple of performances.
20 May 2024 16:41:06
I think rashford and Hojlund coming off the bench at 70 minutes would cause some discomfort for the defence, but as we may well be 4 goals down by then it might not matter. I really wish we had a decent DM to play with Casemiro, but I'd rather Scott than Amrabat.
20 May 2024 17:11:28
Red d they are both rubbish but I have to say I'd rather amrabat and cas than include mctom as a defensive midfielder.
20 May 2024 17:12:59
Ports we kept it tight for 12 seconds last year 70 min is a stretch.
20 May 2024 17:42:15
What do you mean Wilcox and the coaches can come up with a plan Ken? You think Wilcox will have tactical input into the final?
It is a tough call for EtH. Hoyland deserves to start. Can we afford to play Fernandes, hoyland, garna and rash/ Amad? Seems suicidal, but if they work hard and double up defensively down the flanks it could work. Fernandes has also shown he can play deeper and link play forward simply - he has also shown he loves to give the ball away too cheaply!
The players that play are important, but so too is HOW they play. We will lose badly if we try to play a front 4.
20 May 2024 17:54:03
Front four? We should have a front 1 in a 541 formation, pure bus and counter.
20 May 2024 18:00:04
Yes DB I think wilcox has had an input into the tactical change in the last 2 games. So I think he will continue to work with the coaches for the final.
20 May 2024 18:36:09
I agree red D. We have a 'punchers' chance.
Like ports said if we can keep it tight and hit them on the counter that's probably our best chance.
Front 4🤣 we must be the worst team ever if we claim to be a front 4 team. Negative goal difference 🤣🤣.
20 May 2024 18:50:17
I know it would never happen, but I'd love us to call jose, tell him it's a one game contract, massive win bonus, chance to get one over an old adversary, show us the bus in all it's glory!
20 May 2024 20:21:55
I know what you mean red D but I never wanted eth to leave or be pushed until the end of the season.
He got the team there they should all see it through together.
I'm not a great believer in these things but the way we have got there is one of those old ' our name is in the cup' vibes.
It's a long shot that are a top class outfit amd we have to hope for them to be on an off day, us to find a good day, and for lots of luck. We've had lots of luck up to this point. Let's hope we can rise to the occasion.
20 May 2024 20:37:45
What's that based on ken? More inside knowledge? 😂
Wilcox and the coaches, what a load of tosh hahahah.
20 May 2024 20:40:26
Ken what are you basing this on, giving Wilcox credit for the last victories?
20 May 2024 22:08:34
Because he can’t give ETH any credit so it has to be Wilcox 😂.
20 May 2024 22:16:06
Wilcox lol. Let him wipe his feet first!
20 May 2024 22:49:20
Must not start Rashford. But I fear Hoijlund will get soaked up in the comparison with Harland thing and go missing to some extent.
I sincerely hope I am wrong and he comes out raging and has a blinder.
I think that the above two proposed lineups will be close. If anything I would drop McT as he will get eaten alive in that midfield from a positional perspective. I’m sure he would put himself about a bit which is one thing I suppose.
Jeez it’s a difficult one. Either way it’ll be a long day.
C’mon lads, let’s have some silver wear!
20 May 2024 23:26:47
It's not eth bashing at all. You would be nieve to think wilcox has not had any input. Eth played the same way all season until 2 weeks ago.
I give eth the credit for this wins. Far from good but the shape was better and more solid. imo.
Eth has to implement whatever wilcox, he and the coaches decide.
What makes you think eth just had a change of heart after 36 games.
If you think wilcox has had no I put after eth said they had several meetings I think your wrong.
I never claimed inside knowledge angel it's just the man starting the job he is being paid to do.
Not once did I even refer to any eth bashing your all a touch paranoid I think. 🤣.
20 May 2024 23:37:05
Big day for Rashy coming up. The likes of Gordon and Palmer have surely moved ahead of him. Hell even I should have. Guess we’ll see how much there is to the Southgate favourites drum.
20 May 2024 23:58:02
Don't really mind who plays. All I want is for the players to play with pride and run their socks off. Also that they don't do stupid things.
21 May 2024 07:15:11
Isn't it provisional squad today Spenno, then final squad by 7 June. Think Southgate will put him in provisional squad and assess him before making a final decision in a few weeks.
If he doesn't get picked today it would be a big surprise and might be worth playing him Sunday from the start, go out and should Southgate what he is missing type scenario.
21 May 2024 07:42:37
Aye Grim provisional squad. IMO only way he makes the final squad is if people pull out. But as you say he has a game left to have a worldy.
21 May 2024 09:39:16
It hurts my fingers to type this but I tend to agree with Ken on this one, I think it's clear INEOS want a structure where they will have their football people deciding the style, personnel etc and we move from a manager to head coach. I think this is part of it now and almost, an audition if you like for ETH to show he can work in that structure. I wouldn't say Wilcox is picking the line-up but has some influence on set up etc.
21 May 2024 09:58:15
Not sure why it would hurt your fingers.
Of course eth is picking the team but taking advice on board to change the shape.
21 May 2024 10:03:49
Because I don't usually agree with you Ken but in this case I do.
21 May 2024 12:56:41
I also am prone to disagree with Ken, and whilst I don't think it is necessarily as simple as just Wilcox, I expect there may have been some influence.
In any case, showing ability to adapt to a structure/ style of play and achieve results goes in ETH favour in being retained. Ineos will want someone that can implement a style of play and get results. The more ETH does that, the stronger case he has to stay.
21 May 2024 15:11:48
I don't think anyone can argue with Gordon and (to a lesser extent) Grealish going, plus we've used Foden on the left previously, so it shouldn't be a surprise. He should get his head down all summer and sort himself out and enjoy it ov the TV like the rest of us!
20 May 2024 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - Dillinger has posted a new article entitled, EFL SIGNINGS FOR LEEDS UNITED
19 May 2024 22:44:26
I'm a bit lost with what's going on with city. So have they got away with 115 charges whatever they are just cause they have millions and the best solicitors?
19 May 2024 23:53:40
Are you surprised. It will drag on and on and eventually they’ll settle for a financial punishment, which will be paid in private and the premier league will hope we all forget about it! If they wanted to take the case forward they would have done something by now.
20 May 2024 00:42:58
Welcome to the real world.
20 May 2024 01:52:04
No, the case hasn’t been heard yet, I think it will be crazy for them not to get punished. If I was them i'd want the case heard asap as they are adamant they are innocent and at the moment it’s difficult to respect their success when it feels so much like they have cheated. Lance Armstrong springs to mind.
20 May 2024 02:28:14
The league has seen enough wrong doing to charge them. We are all waiting, tick tock tick tock. We, the fans, cannot allow this to go away quietly.
20 May 2024 07:11:40
115 separate charges equates to a lot of information to gather and process. Some, I would imagine are linked. It’s standard practice to review all of the data and collate all of the information before charges are brought.
20 May 2024 07:18:39
I don't think Everton and Forest will allow it to go away.
20 May 2024 08:05:02
They’re going down harder than an Iranian president in a helicopter.
20 May 2024 09:15:35
My thoughts exactly Banjoe. I can't begin to pretend I understand the whole process but I would have thought the Premier League have set their stall out with the dealing of Forest and Everton. Am I right in thinking Leicester have been done as well?
If City don't get any charges, I'd imagine the Premier League will have a lot of explaining to do, particularly with other clubs that have been found guilty.
I've been thinking recently that Guardiola may walk away after this season. Klopp has gone, he's done a long time with City now for him and I have wondered a couple of times that if he was to walk away after this season, that may suggest he's not prepared to be involved with the club when the process starts which maybe telling. Obviously this is just pure speculation (wishful thinking maybe) from my side.
20 May 2024 09:40:00
Chelsea themselves have come forward admitting wrong doing during the previous owners. Do they look at chelsea's titles too.
20 May 2024 10:40:14
If I understand correctly, a big aspect in the delays has been in Man City's attempting to delay matters wherever possible. I'm sure I read somewhere that they initially refused to hand over information requested by the EPL (which there were apparently obligated to do), tried to fight being required to fight the information etc. So far there has been years of them using any perceived legal argument to delay.
Compared with Everton and Nottingham Forrest, where I think they provided the information readily and accepted that they had breached the rules but had mitigation, it sort of explains why the City case is taking so long.
20 May 2024 10:40:27
I fear there will be government pressure due to the clubs ownership and the desire for constructive relations with UAE; there have already been rumours around this.
The time it is taking is ridiculous, Forest and Everton have been docked points yet the City saga goes on and on. I have no idea if they have done anything wrong, but over 100 charges suggests they may have.
There is a stench around this.
{Ed002's Note - A huge number of the charges are simply noise and should be discarded or dealt with easily. But sat in there are a few very serious charges. There is not going to be any government pressure.}
20 May 2024 10:46:58
If the Premier League find them not guilty after UEFA have already punished them it will truly show how corrupt the league is.
20 May 2024 13:28:56
Think a lot of charges though are for 'failure to co-operate' maybe 35 of the 115?
Which in itself you would find very strange given the club and Pep etc are all adamant they have done nothing wrong - if you have done nothing wrong and can prove that, why on earth wouldn't you?
I mean the UEFA case was proven, City waited until the appeal to introduce two witnesses whose testimony did not 'prove their innocence' as the club and Pep etc claim, but merely show that their guilt was moot as the statute of limitations, if you will, in this case had expired under UEFA regulations - no such time limit exists under Premier League rules
The charges are only up to the 2018 season I think too, so do we think they have been fully compliant since then? Or is the League investigating/ will investigate their financial dealings in the period post this as well?
I agree though lads, needs sorted once and for all - different though to both Forest and Everton given:
1. Forest and Everton cases far more simple - 1 case and 2 perhaps for Everton or a further breach of the same case? Either way, not 115 charges
2. Everton and Forest both co-operated and then admitted guilt - something Man City have not done.
20 May 2024 20:52:48
They will get end up getting charged with 1 or 2 and getting a 10 point deduction and still win the league or at worse still get champions league. If that happens everyone will just start breaking the rules.
Even if they get charged with a quarter of the 115 they should be relegated.
Will be interesting to see how chelsea come out of this season with what they have spent over the last year, I'm sure they will get a charge before city.
20 May 2024 21:15:40
The c4ux of City's argument I am told is that what they were doing wasn't wrong at the time but would be now. And the failure to disclose argument is that they didn't have to as the EPL had no jurisdiction to make them at the time the charges relate too. Therefore City believe they have done nothing wrong. There are no later charges or investigation post this raft of allegations, City are in a very different place financially now compared to then.
{Ed002's Note - The entire thread is misinformation.}
21 May 2024 12:52:25
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19 May 2024 21:32:20
Let me get this straight. if we somehow pull off a shock next week and beat city then we will be in the Europa league, Chelsea drop to the conference league and Newcastle no Europe at all! Is that correct?
19 May 2024 22:15:52
Yes Tim.
19 May 2024 22:25:00
That’s correct Tim.
19 May 2024 22:53:18
Correct Tim. We have to win, otherwise the Europa spot goes to Chelsea for their league place.
19 May 2024 23:50:40
Just wanted to clarify. Thanks 👍.
19 May 2024 18:31:28
Cant stand the scousers, literally everything about them rattles me, however, I will put my hand up and say klopp was a great addition to our league. If he ever wanted to go to the proper reds I'd rip his arm off .
19 May 2024 19:24:45
Same here Deano totally agree.
19 May 2024 19:49:12
One suspects there'd be a few thousand Scousers wanting to rip his other arm off to beat him with.
19 May 2024 21:19:36
Big fan of Klopp and his style of football. Liverpool are much weaker without him now. Huge shoes to fill for Slot.
19 May 2024 21:58:07
I think he has been fantastic, I love his style of football, I love the way he engages with the fans and he was the perfect man for Liverpool. Going to be a very tough act to follow.
19 May 2024 23:37:31
Klopp was amazing and still is and he is better then Guardiola for sure.
20 May 2024 06:35:33
He was my first choice to replace Fergie.
20 May 2024 09:18:21
Better at what exactly Singh?
20 May 2024 13:39:24
He is not better at winning football matches.
Not better at winning trophies
Not better at building a squad
Not better at style of play Imo (subjective)
{Ed077's Note - Klopp is better at building the squad compared to Pep. I find Liverpool's matches more entertaining than Pep's City. Obviously the high octane, high action football of earlier Klopp era is miles more enjoyable than Boreball brand, at least IMO.
20 May 2024 15:49:59
If he was better at building squads they'd have won more often.
I agree the style is subjective. You and Mark goldbridge would go well together. He thinks curry ate boring too.
20 May 2024 17:00:41
Lolll ken he flopped at Bayern because he couldn't buy his way around there he came to city and bought player after player and he has over 115 charges over the club he manages for.
He will never get the credit from me lollll.
20 May 2024 18:02:20
Flopped at bayern? When?
20 May 2024 20:24:42
City are boring too (typo above)
21 May 2024 05:09:23
The reality is Guardiola is a brilliant manager and somehow gives them credibility when you look at the charge list and how they have built the foundation to be where they are.
They have had vastly larger resources than liverpool and hard to judge how klop would have done had he had the same resources at his disposal.
One thing for sure, Guardiola has walked into teams that were loaded with talent and never had any issues buying more top players when desired. Can he achieve the same level of success if he walked into a rebuild with limited resources, I doubt it. There are no messiah's out there, you need the right structure, resources and players to win things.
21 May 2024 12:54:09
I always appreciated Klopp's teeth. Excellent work by his dentist.
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